Lived in Turkey for years. Turkish football is a microcosm of how mental the country is. Most club owners have strong political affiliations and just like Turkish politics, the football is rife with corruption and scandals.
@@zacharybasilI mean turkish clubs at least play in the Champions League and so on 🤷🏻♂️ would definitely consider the Turkish league and players more valuable/successful than argentinas 😅 not hating tho I like Boca Juniors
@@ugurcantekin834 yok kanka üstteki yorum demişya iki taraftarda manyak tek fark var o da arjantinli takimlar daha başarılı demiş. Ben de dedim işte amk bizim takimlar en azindan avrupada oynuyor daha çok biliniyor bizim lig dedim
This exact thing happens here next door. My city in particular, has the club with the most hooliganisms, beatings and even murders carried out by 'fans', it's such an embarassment supporting the team
As a Turk, took the words outta my mouth. From the disgusting hooliganism, the hate and politicalisation that is supported by the clubs themseşves, to the awful incompetence of TFF..It sucks.
@@Vizeh Im not sure. The TFF is awfully stubborn in everything and positive change has been pretty rare. Maybe if the Federation leader resigns we can find someone new to make things better and more equal.
@@TheMarashianWell I hope it all gets fixed immediately kanka, every headline in the news in UK mentioning football keeps getting crazier and crazier 😅
yes but not really,the way it works,referees,VAR(they dont show all the camera angles only show what works for them,or maybe who paid them) its all controlled and manipulated by the organization that does what works for them the best(not a fenerbahce or galatasary fan)
As a Fenerbahçe fan who has been watching your content since about 2016 i would like to thabk you for covering everything that has happened and actually spending time researching unlike some other content creators .To answer your question about what the turkish fans think beşiktaş fans have been showing full support to Fenerbahçe and Trabzonspor fans sided with galatasaray fans as they always do
The reason is simple to be honest Turks consider football as a way of life and those club presidents use an absurd language towarda other teams for example Fener president called Galatasaray ter🟥🟥🟥ist the list will go on and on you might think these language won't affect the fans but they do fans run into the field they shot a fuckin team bus for fuck sake it has been like this for as long as i remember . It's not loooking like it will change any time soon
My Turkish friend says the same thing everytime I ask him why Turkey as a football nation can't get it together. Last time I saw him having a little bit of hope was the right before the last euros when Turkey had a convincing qualification round.
Youre a Galatasaray fan, the team supported by FETO and always using manipulative tactics to sway the people. 😂 its completely contradictory for you to even speak
@@SquirtleCODMit's people like you who are part of the reason why the league is so flawed. Let the man talk, ad hominem arguments wont get you far. Why is he not allowed to speak? Being a Galatasaray fan doesn't mean he has to like everything the club has done, just like you as a Fenerli don't have to agree with everything your club has done, because Fenerbahçe are just as guilty as every other big club when it comes to corruption and manipulation
as a turkish person and a beşiktaş supporter i have things about to say lots of the things in this video. 1- all the problems in turkey coming from one and only one reason. i wont be saying his name but if you looking anything about turkey you can figure it out. 2- our football federation president was not elected as usual in last 20 years. normally all the clubs chairmans in first and second division get togetger and elect one of the canditates. Mehmet Büyükekşi was a shoemaker and no clue about football or how to manage it. he even said "i cant be adress which one of the ball in front of me as football ball". someone because of the politic agenda put him in charge of turkish football. 3-our referee's just bad. you can think about it this way for better understanding. if there's a mistake about a call in modern football you can go or ask to VAR to correct your decision right? they were not doing it because they afraid to VAR expose their incompetence. 4- lots of injustice happening in our football, because of the poor management and ignorance. like economic, corruption on every level, justice system, human rights, animal rights...
lmao scared to say his name? the main problem is people like you who stay silent :) you're the problem, not Erdogan. you put him in power, sit on it. :)
Yeah I am Turkish person, and Turkish football is strange and violent. Especially fans of Trabzonspor, I remember in 1997 the Turkish cup final. Kocaelispor defeated Trabzonspor 2-1 in 2 games. And the second the ref ended the match fans and players began shouting and hitting each other. And I don't know if you talked about this in the video but in 2000, in the UEFA Cup final. Galatasaray was against Leeds United. Before the first game. 2 Leeds United fans died after a disaster at Istanbul.
President of Turkish Football Federation has a terrible run and did nothing to prevent all of these events you mentioned. He will be a perfect FIFA President.
I am a Turkish person as well supporting Besiktas, there are many controversies in our league as well and football seems not the same as the older times. Back then we were all so passionate and genuinely enjoyed and loved football and things were at least more professional, nowadays it's just insanity everywhere and even some of the clubs that had a great reputation just lost it's fame.
With fenerbache vs Galatasaray coinciding with the end of the prem season, combined with the FA charges scandal, we really are in for a banger last day.
I think it's going to be worse. Such a violent fans might end up in tragic events with so many deaths just like what happened in Indonesia 2 years ago.
Main problem is Turkish Club presidents and Turkish Footbal Fedarations are businessmen.They don’t understand how to manage to football.They are rich but they don’t come from football. But also many of them are connect with Politicians. Government also manage to Turkish footbal federation.One man decide to everythings Economy,Foreign policy ,Football etc….
As a Turk, i hope the hooganism in football in our league will be over. I find our situtaion similar to UK football before Hillsborough (R.I.P). Maybe its time to completely change the things around in our league system and regulations.
Bro, the worst thing is that ex corrupted referees now have a television program on Bein Sports where they judge the current referees games. And they burned them to the ground. Everyone thinks that their truth is the only truth. I am not sure when this will end…
As a Turkish Fan, I'm living in Giresun so I support my team Giresunspor. Our city is next to Trabzonspor's and I can't say we have good history. Trabzonspor fans is just can't accept losing, being selfish for no reason. And that's how they react when they got defeated.
The Trabzonspor bans have been lowered by the Turkish Football Federation since the initial bans that were announced. Thought it would be important to clarify that
TFF President Mehmet Büyükekşi is a Galatasaray Club Congress Member. This explains most of what you said in the video. Also, Trabzonspor's ban that they received after attacking the fener players is lowered upon Trabzonspor's application. complete madness
Turk here. TFF is incompetent and corrupt. As a result, every team feels discriminated against. Also, TFF does have a personal vendetta against Fenerbahce because of it’s previous president Aziz Yıldırım who’s considered to be a legend among Fenerbahce fans.
I am a Turkish Fenerbahçe fan. First off, I would like to thank you for your video. It really summarizes how insane the Turkish football has become. My personal take is management of organizations in general are not in competent hands. Fairness in any competition already requires high standards and I do not see this happening in the near future in Turkiye.
As a Beşiktaş fan, unfortunately Turkish football is declining over the years. Games are no fun, refs are just suck and both fans and club responsibles are mental. Beşiktaş has been facing these hardships in terms of faulty ref decisions for many years. But Fenerbahçe finally stood against the federation and defend it's rights. By the way the claim that false fixed match accusasions against fenerbahçe was fabricated by FETÖ ( Fettullahist Terror Organisation). They had infiltrated the important government positions and they tried to take control of Turkey with a coup attempt. And get this, Galatasaray had really close ties with Fetö, even footballers have videos and pictures with Fettullah Gülen... So the situation is not looking good. And I think it's because politics are involved in football. The goverment is meddling with football therefore the decisions doesn't make sense, whoever is closer to goverment wins and everything is about money...
I didn’t realise it went so deep with issues. I had a laugh about the 1 minute stoppage in the cup and watched this to see what was up but damn there’s so much deep rooted issue
Never actually knew how interesting Turkish football is, great video. Also, when is that saarbrucken video coming out now that sadly their historical run is over?
This is a detailed x-ray to the sad reality of Turkish football in this season. Good work, thank you for shedding some light on that situation. This will be a sad thing to say, but as in many areas in the country, if the ruling party would just take their hands off the federation, that would improve things dramatically by itself. But the members and key supporters of the ruling party in here are so greedy, they just want to control everything they can profit off of. You should look into the bet industry in Türkiye and how betting and gambling ads made their way to many, many websites where there's illegal streams of the Super League or other TV&film content. That money flow ties to the key supporters of the people in power in here, and I don't want to talk further about that as it's where things get dangerous but you get the point. So, the thing we should do is not allowing politics in the football federation and the pitch. Easier said than done though, there's too much money changing hands to even allow that to happen. The funny part is there are much less money and fame in the basketball and volleyball teams in Türkiye, yet Turkish teams are so successful in international events, even dominating some of the competitions they're in. This also reflects to the national side of things, we're the #1 in women's volleyball because it's just our women competing at the highest level. It makes me feel hopeful to see what happens when no political influence nor corruption has made its way into the federation and the clubs.
Hiyya fella, what a good sum up of the situation in Turkiye. I was born a mile from the Fenerbahce stadium and many a time celebrated the wins etc. I also lived in Besiktas and also Galatasaray area and most of my friends support GS and BJK some even Trabzonspor. It is a very fair representation of what is happening over there (I live in the UK) and as a FB supporter I know how corrupt TFF is. They favour GS above all. One example I can give you is this; last game of the season GS must win by 6 clear goals or Besiktas will be champions. Now you can guess how many times this would happen anywhere but Turkiye (or Greece)? Nowhere else but it happened in Turkiye. Low be hold GS won by 6 clear goals. From there on I lost my faith.
In the 3rd german division there is a ex-Referee which does a game analysis for every played game and counts the big errors. He does that for the whole league and for a non club-binded website. It would be interesting to see which of these desicions done in Turkey are acually false and not just unjust acusations and also who profits from it the most.
There's no need for an expert or anything, Its way too obvious for anyone watching both gala and fenerbahce games here. Gala player does a gesture towards the opposite fans. Gets suspended for 1 match, instantly. Fener player makes gestures towards opposite coach and players, swears at opposite fans, fights with his own teammate and THREATENS the ref all in the same game and doesnt get a red card or a suspension. This alone is enough to see the difference. Dont even need to talk about how many red cards, penalties, goals were gifted to fenerbahce to secure their points. Dont even need to talk about how fenerbahce manipulates other teams in the league and make every away match a home match basicly. Getting all of the opposite fans seats to themselves. Filling the whole stadium with their fans. And doing the exact same on Gala games. Filling the whole stadium with Fenerbahce fans while Gala is playing away. Its really simple to someone thats willing to see.
as a turkish person i think fenerbahçe was right and i am not even a fenerbahçe fan i like beşiktaş and i know for a fact the match making is made by galatasaray
As a Gala fan, what Fenerbahçe fans say is true, but it's true for the whole country. The standard of refereeing is appalling in Turkey in general and many of what Fenerbahçe deem to be 'bias' happens to nearly every team in the league, especially the big three.
But isn't it odd how so many of those incidents benefit you? Lets not pretend if we ask fans of every team in the league who the errors benefit they won't all say Galatasaray. It's nice that you can mix us genuine errors and play the victim, but it's also expected. Just saying I hold no affiliation to any Turkish team, but I have a lot of friends who do, and the name Galatasary comes up an awful lot where corruption and manipulation is involved. Bet my house you win the league this season!
The referee level in the bundesliga is bad aswell but all of that has to do with there being too little referees overall in basically every country. The overall quality has sunk significantly and if a referee does poorly he wont get punished because there simply arent enough qualified referees to replace them (by qualified I dont even mean good necessarily but just referess that are allowed to host matches in the first league). There are also referees, definitely not a majority, but some that seem to be more in the job for the power that they can obtain. There is a certain amount of arrogance with which they carry themselves.
@@helvete983 they literally got 9 points in these last matches thanks to penalties near 90th minute if the referees wanted to help us they wouldnt have given those
@@helvete983 "and the name Galatasary comes up an awful lot where corruption and manipulation is involved" You do really not need to be super clever to figure this out. IT'S BECAUSE GALATASARAY IS THE MOST SUCCESFUL ONE.
When something outside the pitch and the game is being talked in football, football is not football. The game has to stay within the 90 minutes and nothing outside these minutes have to influence what happens in there...
Thank you for covering this. The corruption is so rampant and the evidence behind it is too much to overlook. This whole season has been a fiasco for the league.
As a Turkish and also as a FENERBAHÇE fan, football here is insane. One team rules the whole league because it's an unfair competition. We just want fair, during this scandals.
As an admirer of football and being a Fener fan, I can only say this video is spot on in many regards. Yet, there are still a lot missing points this gracious commentary missed as one would expect. Fener and Gala are the leading European clubs if they were managed by well-minded managers. However, Gala and Trabzon are too embedded in an established politics that have been trying to confiscate Fener since FB has always been run by anti-establisment secular bourgeois. If we are to beat establishment, we'd at least become a regular in Europe League as we do in basketball.
Super cup was meant to be played in August, right before the league begins. Since Turkish Football Federation boss is a gala sided person, which is the main reason Fenerbahçe wants fair competition and justice, he postponed the cup just because gala squad wasn’t ready and they were most likely to lose the match.
The main reason for the tweet from the Trabzonspor was because the fans who got on the pitch were arrested. Previously, people who got on the pitch in Turkey were taken into police custody, but were not arrested. Trabzonspor felt that this was injust since it did not follow precedence. As a Trabzonspor fan, I am not against such people being arrested for their actions, but this should be applied for all the fans, not some in particular.
Im glad that Football exist because we turkish people get too heated when it comes to rivalry and if football didn't exist to take heat off from us, we would be on war against left and right.
In Turkey everything being ruled by politics. If you be with the “tall one” you win. If you don’t you lose. As a Turkish fans we can’t trust refrees. There is so many wrong decisions, acting on field etc.
the real reason about the protests is tha match fixture thats why nobody cares, Gala had even a harder match fixture when they were in 17th in the league, they played against Barça 3 days later Beşiktaş (İstanbul derby) than 3 days later Barça again. We didn't cried. And if you watch Süperlig you know that Fener always does matchfixing and gets Penalties at the 90th minutes usually if they are losing/draw. The only true thing they say is about the Trabzon match.
@@xdem1r because you guys had no chance to win the league or the champions league anyways, we actually have a chance to represent Turkiye as a country against Greece
usually tantrums are not to be taken seriously, especially the tantrums of a billionaire. The more Ali Koc cries, the more Galatasaray will expose his incompetence
One more point as a Fener fan maybe not under the sporlight,in first half of a season just before fener gala derby Fred fener player was given a red card for saying a bad word to the ref that has not been proven yet.He is the key player for fener and just like that he was suspended from a turkish ref that apperently understands portuguese
@@Vizeh the referee who gave the red card did not speak any other language than turkish and he also isnt qualified to take place in european competetions due to his lack of english. fred only spoke portuguese and english yet the referee somehow "understood" those words and gave him a red card. allegidly fred said something like "this is stupid" and the referee took his card out because he tought it was a swear word. and this event taking place at the end of the match that was right before the derby against galatasaray (who are objectively the team that has benefited the most from the corruption) . this event also made fener basically park the bus , the game had barely any shots taken and it was generally boring all because fener failed to play attacking football because of the fact that fred is a key player that is holding the structure of the both the midfield and the entirity of the team itself.
Here's an added bonus: Fred was sent off and punished right before the game of Fenerbahçe v. Galatasaray in the first semiseason of the league for saying "why are you giving this stupid foul", as stated. This position was a grey foul right outside the box against Fenerbahçe, in the game's last minutes where Fenerbahçe was in the lead 1-0. But weeks later Carlo Vinicius, a Galatasaray player, literally got in the face of an assistant referee and said "fuck off" three times in a row, in the game right before Galatasaray v. Beşiktaş. FOR A THROW-IN.
Turkish football viewers are the reason I stopped watching football. Every football match is a matter of sheer stress if you watch it with a die hard fan. Hooliganism is at its peak. A game of sports become the main reason behind some fatal fights.
Galatasaray funded by construction companies. Fenerbahce is funded by Koc Holding which is basically industry. First team in turkey goes directly to championship league in future and there's a race between GS and FB. It means lots of money. You can search for the Galatasaray High School it's an elite school educating bureaucrats and diplomat since Ottoman Empire. Galatasaray uses it's influences to overthrow Fenerbahce from football. And if we remember that Erdogan's government works with the construction companies, everything seems clear. It isn't a theory btw, you can search. It's all about the money.
they’ve dodged match fixing scandal just because their calls been listened illegally, not because they were innocent. even their president admitted that.
some core points for you as a turkish die-hard fenerbahçe fan: - trabzonspor got reductions in their fines while fenerbahçe did not - the ruling party's candidate-mayor for trabzon made some insane claims against fenerbahce - it is said that the uefa is running an investigation within the federation due to political meddling. - when our bus carrying the team was targeted, the federation said "we won't suspend the league, get fuked" (the driver was injured badly) - fenerbahçe was cleared from their charges of match-fixing by the turkish courts, after about 12-13 years. the "evidence" was crafted by the feto terrorist organization which infiltrated every rank within the state (they are the ones that committed the coup d'état) - we are still owed a bunch of millions of euros due to 2011 and what followed (we were barred from competing in the ucl)
I truly appreciate this content coming from an outside and neutral perspective. Personally, I am a fan of Galatasaray and thus, am of course somewhat biased when it comes to statements about the turkish football. Nevertheless i think it's not wrong when I say that the last couple of years, the situation got heated and heated and heated. Presidents of top clubs accusing each other of dirty things thinking egoistically and in a very short term way. This obviously doesn't really help with bringing peace and joy to the football and for sure does not elevate it to a next level. We all want the same: Justice! Fenerbahce fans (and also fans from other clubs) always think that they are the only ones experiencing injustice. Well let me tell you something, they're not. The ecosystem around football got so bad, that mistakes (mistakes that shouldn't happen) get mixed up and confused with corruption again and again. This also has to do with the fact that in turkish football there very much is corruption in it, as everything is so intransparent (but i mean, where is it transparent). Personally i wish that one day we'll all calm down and just enjoy the rivalry again. Turkish football needs a big clean up, and that's not just Fenerbahce or Galatasaray. They need to work hand in hand and try to elevate the turkish football. Put the ego aside and see the big picture. Erden Timur, vice precident of Galatasaray has this ambition but it's difficult to achieve that in an environment where everyone is only interested in short term success and more importantly, is only interested in their own success.
3:05 this guy was 1 meter close to kill Fenerbahçe player. And guess what how much ban Trabzonspor got? 4. I mean a player spitting to another player has more punishment than trying to kill someone.
Also as you can see, nobody has courage to admit their fault. If that fan killed Fener player, probably they were going to say: "But why the player died? He had no right to die!"
hi there, i'm a Besiktas fan for 20 years and I am not that much of a fanatic in respect to other teams in Turkey, I support them if I see a team play better than my own. With that being said, I personally feel like Galatasaray has so much power and influence in the decision-making systems in Turkish football regulations and they can put lots of pressure in decision-making processes, both on the pitch and off the pitch due to their fan numbers being higher than Fenerbahce and Besiktas and also because they have more influential people both in politics and also business(yet the almighty president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is a Fenerbahce supporter). However, most of the ongoing discussion in Turkey does not carry truth in them and are almost fully speculations, like Galatasaray being the sole reason for Bein Sports to stream Turkish league. As a Turkish football enjoyer, I should state that this present chaotic environment does put me off from watching my own national competitions and lessens my sympathy towards the culture behind all of the clubs and even the national team. And I think I am not the only one in this situation, mostly young generations are watching European leagues and describe themselves as fans of non-Turkish clubs(mostly English ones like Liverpool and City). I really believed the current Fenerbahce president Ali Koc and some previous presidents at Besiktas and Galatasaray could put an end to this chaotic environment but they are and were not able to end it, or shift the Turkish insanity to a positive path. Fans are also responsible for a better atmosphere. Rather than a sport, most see football as a battle. Even though they have close friends and relatives supporting a rival team, most can swear heavily towards the rival supporters. Aggression and violence can sometimes come into play and even people from an intelectual background can lose their mind. Football is a great way of bringing people together and in my childhood it was quite successful in that. I remember celebrating the Galatasaray victory in UEFA final and cheering for Fenerbahce when they had beaten Sevilla in Champions League round of 16. Most of the people did so back then. But nowadays, it is as if these teams are the chief enemies, especially with social media, a toxic environment and hostility grows bigger day by day, some injustice applications by the Football Federation, or some decisions that are seemingly unfair for a particular fan group just add heat to the ongoing tension. I think with better and autonomous decision-makers, clear-minded administrators in clubs and well-educated fans Turkish football can hit its potential and become a top league in Europe after the top 5 leagues. Yet, I don't think this will happen in the near future.
as a turkish beşiktaş fan, i believe that this league is so corrupted that everybody thinks the refs are, sadly, shite and this is just 5 or 6 issues that youve covered, if you watch the league for a while youll start growling for foul play
*I'm a Turkish guy born in Stuttgart, Germany where football is also an important thing* *In **#Türkiye**, they take football way too serious…* *_A common example are graves at the cemetery of the deceased ones painted in the club's colours & logo_* *_Loyalty even after death…!_* *And Ive seen that more than once…it's not even an oddity but quite common…maybe the lead levels of the big cities are too high*
I am an Albanian Beşiktaş fan, living in Türkiye for over 20 years now. This football league used to be beautiful, events like these happened every now and then, like maybe once every 2 years but this is really getting out of hand. First of all thanks for covering the Turkish League as its often overlooked since no one outside of Türkiye really cares. Even when you were explaining in the video, the events that happened to Fenerbahçe are respectively in 2006-2011-2014. And then the final 3 events are in February, March and April... It shows how worse and out of hand things have become. Fenerbahçe is right about showing a statement even tho I disagree with the way they did it. They should have straight away not bring anyone on the pitch like Beşiktaş did to them back at 2017. The poor U19 players had to go through that. Personally I dont agree with "TFF is behind Galatasaray" or "TFF is behind Fenerbahçe". TFF is a fallen system that is trying to make the fan bases happy but they only make thing worse with every single decision they take. The refs are HORRENDOUS. Only the big teams have loud voices but even if you look at low-end teams' matches you'd still see terrible refreeing there too. I have no clue how we can get a more competent football federation or more competent refrees but some things have to change and in my opinion Fenerbahçe is doing a good job at creating a public awareness. The only way things can change seems to be if all the big 3 agrees to be on the same page and shouts their voices united at the same time. But with the politics, holiganism, extremism and incompetence, that sadly seems awfully unrealistic. I really hope this changes. Another thing to point out might be that our teams' marvelous European campaigns. Fenerbahçe made it to Euro semis, Galatasaray made it to CL quarters and beat Real Madrid, Beşiktaş made it out the CL groups unbeaten and many more... All these happened between 2012-2018 period. Anything after 2018 is just downfall. Our teams squabbling with each other in a league that barely is profitable and being not rivals but enemies with each other is not helping us in European tournaments as well. Not to mention all this downfall effectivly reflect to the Turkish National Team. We need a change from bottom to top. Apart from incompetent TFF and refrees, also club presidents who are always incooperative, fans that are always divisive and never understanding that football is an entertainment and ofc our social media that ALWAYS boils things up and make fans/clubs go on a rampage.
The higher the euro rises, the smaller teams income diminishes. Over the last three years, many popular small-town teams have gone bankrupt, and many others are waiting for their turn. Not many care about the economic situation of these teams. There is a 33-point difference between the second and third teams, and with five more matches remaining, this divide will likely widen further. It's worse than any 'farmers league'.
I would like to preface my comments by stating that I am a supporter of one side. I am a Galatasaray fan. Now, I want to narrate the events from my perspective. Fenerbahçe has never been wronged. The 28-minute video is full of lies and manipulations. Let’s first look at the Denizlispor match on May 14, 2006. Why are all matches in a league played at the same time? To prevent any side from gaining an advantage based on the results of other matches. This match was extended by 16 minutes. During these 16 minutes, Denizlispor won their battle against relegation, and Fenerbahçe played against an opponent with no stakes in the game. The match ended 1-1 after a series of incompetent shots, and Fenerbahçe lost the championship in the final week. If Appiah’s shot had been 2 cm lower, they would have been champions, and it was an inept attempt at match-fixing. It is important to listen to the words of the Denizlispor president before the match: “If we are relegated, we will speak out, and some people will find themselves in a difficult situation.” There is a serious animosity between Trabzon and Fenerbahçe because Fenerbahçe surpassed Trabzon’s two championships (1998 and 2010). The shooting of the bus is also significant and has been covered up because Trabzonspor’s administrators were closely related to the authorities at the time. And Fenerbahçe is 100% right in this matter. However, more than 10 years have passed since the incident. In 2010, Fenerbahçe did engage in match-fixing. They have never been able to clear themselves of these allegations. The evidence was there. However, changes in the Turkish justice system occurred. The evidence was dismissed as it was collected unjustly, and Fenerbahçe was acquitted. They dropped the case for the financial losses incurred through the Champions League because justice in the world operates correctly, and it would have proven that Fenerbahçe engaged in match-fixing. That’s why they withdrew from the CAS case. Fenerbahçe tries to fix matches but can’t achieve the desired outcome. This is because the Fenerbahçe fans create immense pressure. The athletes get tangled up. Now, I will write to you who the recent presidents of the TFF are. Imagine this happening in the Premier League. Ahmet Aydınlar - Former Fenerbahçe volleyball branch president Yıldırım Demirören - Former Beşiktaş president, whose election promise was not to relegate Fenerbahçe in the 2010 match-fixing case. Nihat Özdemir - Former Fenerbahçe vice president Mehmet Ekşi - Former Gaziantepspor president and allegedly a Galatasaray congress member. (But we never saw him at the congress) Yıldırım Demirören is also the owner of Fanatik, the biggest football newspaper in Turkey. His rival, the editor-in-chief of Fotomaç, is a Fenerbahçe congress member. The video was prepared by Acun Ilıcalı, a Turkish television owner and Champions League broadcaster. And Fenerbahçe claims to have been wronged. The TFF and media are in Fenerbahçe’s hands, and yet they claim injustice against them. Bull shit!!! It’s utter nonsense and folly!
I have separate comments regarding the Super Cup final. Atatürk is important for all Turks, but this year he is even more significant for Turks because it marks the 100th anniversary of the Republic’s independence and the country’s liberation. Neither Fenerbahçe nor Galatasaray supporters wanted this match to be played in another country. It might not have been important if it were the previous or following year. Fenerbahçe chose the date of April 7th because they thought they would be eliminated from the conference league and Galatasaray would advance past Sparta Prague. However, the opposite happened. A postponement was requested, and it would have been the third postponement. Next summer, there will be a European Championship, and the schedule will be very tight. The TFF refused the postponement. Contrary to Fenerbahçe’s claims, their rivals’ matches were not postponed. All of them played their matches that week (Olympiacos-Lamia: 5-1). The TFF said that the league match could be postponed, but Fenerbahçe did not accept it. As a protest, they fielded the U19 team. The balance of power was very different. If the match had continued, Fenerbahçe would have suffered a historic defeat, which is why they withdrew. Fielding the U-19 team was a protest, as was withdrawing from the field. Why make two protests? It diminishes the impact. If they were going to withdraw, why didn’t they field the main team and withdraw without conceding a goal? It’s nothing but a comical request for privilege. The chaos in Turkish football is solely due to Fenerbahçe president Ali Koç, an unsuccessful businessman, and his words.
it surely was. if the driver of the bus, who got injured and was bleeding, didnt manage to hit the brake and bring the bus to safety the bus wouldve fell into a viaduct and likely the whole team wouldve been killed. till this day the guilty one(s) havent been caught. we fener fans will never forget and will never forgive
Ah yes the eastern low block , Turkey and Greece never cease to defy the imagination one can have on how insanse football can get , Fenerbahce and Olympiacos threaten to leave their Leagues while envelopes are being passed behind the scenes , fans routinly killing each other on the street not even on match days even if someone isnt affiliated with a certain club just because of what city they are from , players brawling fans , owners pulling guns out on the field nvm the refs and multiple clubs being owned by the same individuals , dont even get me started on the police situations .
Bro I loved the video, so many informations in a short time very well done. I want to help out with some names because it is really funny if pronounced in English. As example the c or ç you can say like tsh e.g: Ali Koç = Ali kotsh. I hope that helps.
As a Turkish football and Fenerbahçe fan i wanna explain the situation as much as i can, i know its gonna be long and its gonna make some fanatics angry but here we go 1- Our referees and league administration are incompetent. They make stupid decisions every fricking match. There is no logical explanation for some of the decisions and there is no consistency in these decisions. But big three team has more say in our league and they pressure the administration(tff) nonstop, that affect the decisions especially in home games with 50k fans shouting. 2- About Fenerbahçe... I know i am gonna make some fanatics angry but i am a Fenerbahçe fan too so... For some of the parts Fenerbahçe is actually right. The bus shooting, match-fixing case and this year Trabzonspor match, we are right about this issues . But here is the thing, our president(not league Fenerbahçe president) elected 6 seasons ago and this year, in june, there is gonna be presidential election again in Fenerbahçe. In the 6 years we didnt win anything except an one league cup and current president is losing the support of the Fenerbahçe fans, so this chaos, this protest are his(Ali Koç, the president of Fenerbahçe) way to win the support back by creating an enemy and playing victim. As a fan i am sick of this guy, he dontknow anything about football and he is manipulating his way to win an election again. There is some decisions that affected us in a bad way but here is a fun fact: we won 33 penalties in Turkish league in last 2 seasons. What i wanna say is this: there is no evil force that wanna stop Fenerbahçe, Fenerbahçe does it to itself. 3-And about that president that knocked out a ref and the fans that wanted to beat up the Fenerbahçe players, most of us probably has anger issues so the brawls and that, those are daily struggles in Turkey haha
Lived in Turkey for years. Turkish football is a microcosm of how mental the country is. Most club owners have strong political affiliations and just like Turkish politics, the football is rife with corruption and scandals.
Argentina fans also mental, but the different their club are successful
@@zacharybasilI mean turkish clubs at least play in the Champions League and so on 🤷🏻♂️ would definitely consider the Turkish league and players more valuable/successful than argentinas 😅 not hating tho I like Boca Juniors
@@ugurcantekin834 yok kanka üstteki yorum demişya iki taraftarda manyak tek fark var o da arjantinli takimlar daha başarılı demiş. Ben de dedim işte amk bizim takimlar en azindan avrupada oynuyor daha çok biliniyor bizim lig dedim
You are correct also clubs keep getting liquidated for the same reason
This exact thing happens here next door. My city in particular, has the club with the most hooliganisms, beatings and even murders carried out by 'fans', it's such an embarassment supporting the team
As a Turk, took the words outta my mouth. From the disgusting hooliganism, the hate and politicalisation that is supported by the clubs themseşves, to the awful incompetence of TFF..It sucks.
You think things can change soon?
@@Vizeh Im not sure. The TFF is awfully stubborn in everything and positive change has been pretty rare. Maybe if the Federation leader resigns we can find someone new to make things better and more equal.
Geçmiş Olsun @TheMarashian
@@karmababy5077 Teşekkürler:)
@@TheMarashianWell I hope it all gets fixed immediately kanka, every headline in the news in UK mentioning football keeps getting crazier and crazier 😅
I am Turkish and it has become national news it was being talked about during the local elections
That doesn’t surprise me one bit😂
Ik
Haven’t even watched 40 seconds and I already agree with you
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I watched 39 seconds (surprise surprise I agree)
I watched 39 seconds (surprise surprise I agree)
Nice pic bro
make that 4 seconds
our league and the WWE share the same core values 😂
You know what, if I just see Turkey as the WWE, everything now makes sense
I watched both Turkish Super Cup and Wrestlemania 40 last Sunday and even WWE could not come up with this type of storyline 😄
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Eyooo!
"Turkish football is Fake"😂
@@echarts3710I am a big wwe fan either😂 way
The problem is that the league is so bad that everyone thinks they are being treated unfairly.
The Premier League is the same right now too
@@Vizeh But while an event in the Premier League creates a controversy for a maximum of 2 weeks, it can be discussed for years in the Turkish League.
yes but not really,the way it works,referees,VAR(they dont show all the camera angles only show what works for them,or maybe who paid them) its all controlled and manipulated by the organization that does what works for them the best(not a fenerbahce or galatasary fan)
Yes, this is exactly it. It's a shitshow.
Can you imagine the scenes if they joined the Greek league 😭😭😭
Oh my dear god😂
Hopefully at least Greek football would get another chance to catch up with European football
Well by coincidence Fener is playing Olympiacos twice this week. Once in football and once in basketball 😂 it might actually work
@@TurquazCannabiz yeah and a lot of greek people that live or lived in Constantinople support fener is turkey. ITS PERFECT
@@hazztles7008 İSTANBUL from 1453 to infinity 😀😀😀
As a Fenerbahçe fan who has been watching your content since about 2016 i would like to thabk you for covering everything that has happened and actually spending time researching unlike some other content creators .To answer your question about what the turkish fans think beşiktaş fans have been showing full support to Fenerbahçe and Trabzonspor fans sided with galatasaray fans as they always do
I want to do a Turkish Football Iceberg video if this video does well, hope you good mate!
@@Vizeh thanks man hope you and your family are doing well.
@@Vizeh Legend
@@Vizeh DO IT!
@@Vizeh great idea
Some people don't understand the difference between passion and insanity
100%
To some they're one and the same
The reason is simple to be honest Turks consider football as a way of life and those club presidents use an absurd language towarda other teams for example Fener president called Galatasaray ter🟥🟥🟥ist the list will go on and on you might think these language won't affect the fans but they do fans run into the field they shot a fuckin team bus for fuck sake it has been like this for as long as i remember . It's not loooking like it will change any time soon
@@muhammetdythex2766 you're talking like Dursun Özbek didn't call Ali Koç "
@@ismailegeatalan7518 you missed my point bro almost every team every coach is uses this type of a language that is the main problem
As a Turkish fan this is like maybe the 10 percent of the madness
Foda-se 10% of the total madness ?
My Turkish friend says the same thing everytime I ask him why Turkey as a football nation can't get it together. Last time I saw him having a little bit of hope was the right before the last euros when Turkey had a convincing qualification round.
Youre a Galatasaray fan, the team supported by FETO and always using manipulative tactics to sway the people. 😂 its completely contradictory for you to even speak
@@SquirtleCODMit's people like you who are part of the reason why the league is so flawed. Let the man talk, ad hominem arguments wont get you far. Why is he not allowed to speak? Being a Galatasaray fan doesn't mean he has to like everything the club has done, just like you as a Fenerli don't have to agree with everything your club has done, because Fenerbahçe are just as guilty as every other big club when it comes to corruption and manipulation
@@chickenindabox3169gala fans are the most two faced people in whole of football
I agree (I only saw the Title)
That’s all you need
@@Vizehits not ali cock 🤣🤣🤣
as a turkish person and a beşiktaş supporter i have things about to say lots of the things in this video.
1- all the problems in turkey coming from one and only one reason. i wont be saying his name but if you looking anything about turkey you can figure it out.
2- our football federation president was not elected as usual in last 20 years. normally all the clubs chairmans in first and second division get togetger and elect one of the canditates. Mehmet Büyükekşi was a shoemaker and no clue about football or how to manage it. he even said "i cant be adress which one of the ball in front of me as football ball". someone because of the politic agenda put him in charge of turkish football.
3-our referee's just bad. you can think about it this way for better understanding. if there's a mistake about a call in modern football you can go or ask to VAR to correct your decision right? they were not doing it because they afraid to VAR expose their incompetence.
4- lots of injustice happening in our football, because of the poor management and ignorance. like economic, corruption on every level, justice system, human rights, animal rights...
lmao scared to say his name? the main problem is people like you who stay silent :) you're the problem, not Erdogan. you put him in power, sit on it. :)
Yeah I am Turkish person, and Turkish football is strange and violent. Especially fans of Trabzonspor, I remember in 1997 the Turkish cup final. Kocaelispor defeated Trabzonspor 2-1 in 2 games. And the second the ref ended the match fans and players began shouting and hitting each other. And I don't know if you talked about this in the video but in 2000, in the UEFA Cup final. Galatasaray was against Leeds United. Before the first game. 2 Leeds United fans died after a disaster at Istanbul.
President of Turkish Football Federation has a terrible run and did nothing to prevent all of these events you mentioned.
He will be a perfect FIFA President.
I absolutely agree!
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I am a Turkish person as well supporting Besiktas, there are many controversies in our league as well and football seems not the same as the older times. Back then we were all so passionate and genuinely enjoyed and loved football and things were at least more professional, nowadays it's just insanity everywhere and even some of the clubs that had a great reputation just lost it's fame.
With fenerbache vs Galatasaray coinciding with the end of the prem season, combined with the FA charges scandal, we really are in for a banger last day.
I think it's going to be worse. Such a violent fans might end up in tragic events with so many deaths just like what happened in Indonesia 2 years ago.
Can’t wait for it😂
Main problem is Turkish Club presidents and Turkish Footbal Fedarations are businessmen.They don’t understand how to manage to football.They are rich but they don’t come from football. But also many of them are connect with Politicians. Government also manage to Turkish footbal federation.One man decide to everythings Economy,Foreign policy ,Football etc….
As a Turk, i hope the hooganism in football in our league will be over. I find our situtaion similar to UK football before Hillsborough (R.I.P). Maybe its time to completely change the things around in our league system and regulations.
you do know Hillsborough wasnt to do with Hooligans
Hooliganism/Ultra Culture is a problem but Hillsborough wasn’t to do with hooligans really
@@VizehYes but he used the Hillsborough incident as a time reference.
It was more of during Heysel era than Hillsborough.
@@Vizeh Their point was " disaster were waiting to happen. Federation was ignorant and didnt take any action before it happend"
This league is so unhinged
It’s glorious in the best and worst ways
i agree ( i havent watch turkish league all my life )
When you live in Turkey like me, events like these are always just classic newspapers that are published every day.
Ashley Barnes in the background.. already a Norwich legend, awesome that you appreciate him!
Bro, the worst thing is that ex corrupted referees now have a television program on Bein Sports where they judge the current referees games. And they burned them to the ground. Everyone thinks that their truth is the only truth. I am not sure when this will end…
Thanks for finally bringing some eyes on this situation
Been really interested about it
This is absolutely fascinating. How have I never heard of this as an avid football fan? Thanks for the coverage!
that REF is refereeing Liverpool’s europa league game tonight. it’s your chance to bully him guys 😂
Yeah, and didn't realize that Atalanta won 3-0!
As a Turkish Fan, I'm living in Giresun so I support my team Giresunspor. Our city is next to Trabzonspor's and I can't say we have good history. Trabzonspor fans is just can't accept losing, being selfish for no reason. And that's how they react when they got defeated.
The Trabzonspor bans have been lowered by the Turkish Football Federation since the initial bans that were announced. Thought it would be important to clarify that
Just watched FNG's video on this yesterday and my mouth became a gaping hole so I'm glad to see you covering it too.
TFF President Mehmet Büyükekşi is a Galatasaray Club Congress Member. This explains most of what you said in the video. Also, Trabzonspor's ban that they received after attacking the fener players is lowered upon Trabzonspor's application. complete madness
not just football mate. everything is mental here :D
Turk here. TFF is incompetent and corrupt. As a result, every team feels discriminated against. Also, TFF does have a personal vendetta against Fenerbahce because of it’s previous president Aziz Yıldırım who’s considered to be a legend among Fenerbahce fans.
im a BIG Fenerbahce fan and I want to say that you are REALLY RIGHT.Even Turkey doesn't even talk about it.
I am a Turkish Fenerbahçe fan. First off, I would like to thank you for your video. It really summarizes how insane the Turkish football has become. My personal take is management of organizations in general are not in competent hands. Fairness in any competition already requires high standards and I do not see this happening in the near future in Turkiye.
As a Turk, i can confirm that our legaue isn’t really normal. It’s just mental, and also unpredictable.
As a Beşiktaş fan, unfortunately Turkish football is declining over the years. Games are no fun, refs are just suck and both fans and club responsibles are mental. Beşiktaş has been facing these hardships in terms of faulty ref decisions for many years. But Fenerbahçe finally stood against the federation and defend it's rights. By the way the claim that false fixed match accusasions against fenerbahçe was fabricated by FETÖ ( Fettullahist Terror Organisation). They had infiltrated the important government positions and they tried to take control of Turkey with a coup attempt. And get this, Galatasaray had really close ties with Fetö, even footballers have videos and pictures with Fettullah Gülen... So the situation is not looking good. And I think it's because politics are involved in football. The goverment is meddling with football therefore the decisions doesn't make sense, whoever is closer to goverment wins and everything is about money...
Adamsın hocam Fenerbahceyi çok güzel savunmussun
this shit will never end because we as turkish football fans talk more about outside of the field
I didn’t realise it went so deep with issues. I had a laugh about the 1 minute stoppage in the cup and watched this to see what was up but damn there’s so much deep rooted issue
I love how this is just a regular month of chaos, absolutely nothing extraordinary
Never actually knew how interesting Turkish football is, great video. Also, when is that saarbrucken video coming out now that sadly their historical run is over?
it really isn't so interesting.
gala most the cry baby match fixer club
You have a mistake at 3:30. The cup match is normally played in August. It was postponed this year because GS wanted it.
This is a detailed x-ray to the sad reality of Turkish football in this season. Good work, thank you for shedding some light on that situation.
This will be a sad thing to say, but as in many areas in the country, if the ruling party would just take their hands off the federation, that would improve things dramatically by itself. But the members and key supporters of the ruling party in here are so greedy, they just want to control everything they can profit off of. You should look into the bet industry in Türkiye and how betting and gambling ads made their way to many, many websites where there's illegal streams of the Super League or other TV&film content. That money flow ties to the key supporters of the people in power in here, and I don't want to talk further about that as it's where things get dangerous but you get the point.
So, the thing we should do is not allowing politics in the football federation and the pitch. Easier said than done though, there's too much money changing hands to even allow that to happen.
The funny part is there are much less money and fame in the basketball and volleyball teams in Türkiye, yet Turkish teams are so successful in international events, even dominating some of the competitions they're in. This also reflects to the national side of things, we're the #1 in women's volleyball because it's just our women competing at the highest level. It makes me feel hopeful to see what happens when no political influence nor corruption has made its way into the federation and the clubs.
Hiyya fella, what a good sum up of the situation in Turkiye. I was born a mile from the Fenerbahce stadium and many a time celebrated the wins etc. I also lived in Besiktas and also Galatasaray area and most of my friends support GS and BJK some even Trabzonspor. It is a very fair representation of what is happening over there (I live in the UK) and as a FB supporter I know how corrupt TFF is. They favour GS above all. One example I can give you is this; last game of the season GS must win by 6 clear goals or Besiktas will be champions. Now you can guess how many times this would happen anywhere but Turkiye (or Greece)? Nowhere else but it happened in Turkiye. Low be hold GS won by 6 clear goals. From there on I lost my faith.
Thanks for a great creative topic. Spot on
In the 3rd german division there is a ex-Referee which does a game analysis for every played game and counts the big errors. He does that for the whole league and for a non club-binded website. It would be interesting to see which of these desicions done in Turkey are acually false and not just unjust acusations and also who profits from it the most.
There's no need for an expert or anything, Its way too obvious for anyone watching both gala and fenerbahce games here. Gala player does a gesture towards the opposite fans. Gets suspended for 1 match, instantly. Fener player makes gestures towards opposite coach and players, swears at opposite fans, fights with his own teammate and THREATENS the ref all in the same game and doesnt get a red card or a suspension. This alone is enough to see the difference. Dont even need to talk about how many red cards, penalties, goals were gifted to fenerbahce to secure their points. Dont even need to talk about how fenerbahce manipulates other teams in the league and make every away match a home match basicly. Getting all of the opposite fans seats to themselves. Filling the whole stadium with their fans. And doing the exact same on Gala games. Filling the whole stadium with Fenerbahce fans while Gala is playing away. Its really simple to someone thats willing to see.
do yo know the name of the show? i'll appreciate it if you share with us, thanks
stretching games to +7 min and end right after game equal is mental. that ref definitely got another things bigger than that those punches for him.
Its just the general situation in turkey rn tbh, not just football
If as a referee you feel like you could be assaulted its no wonder they make so many atrocious calls especially towards home sides.
as a turkish person i think fenerbahçe was right and i am not even a fenerbahçe fan i like beşiktaş and i know for a fact the match making is made by galatasaray
As a Gala fan, what Fenerbahçe fans say is true, but it's true for the whole country. The standard of refereeing is appalling in Turkey in general and many of what Fenerbahçe deem to be 'bias' happens to nearly every team in the league, especially the big three.
I can see similar things in Prem too, everyone things the league is corrupt to them but in reality everyone is shit
But isn't it odd how so many of those incidents benefit you? Lets not pretend if we ask fans of every team in the league who the errors benefit they won't all say Galatasaray. It's nice that you can mix us genuine errors and play the victim, but it's also expected. Just saying I hold no affiliation to any Turkish team, but I have a lot of friends who do, and the name Galatasary comes up an awful lot where corruption and manipulation is involved.
Bet my house you win the league this season!
The referee level in the bundesliga is bad aswell but all of that has to do with there being too little referees overall in basically every country. The overall quality has sunk significantly and if a referee does poorly he wont get punished because there simply arent enough qualified referees to replace them (by qualified I dont even mean good necessarily but just referess that are allowed to host matches in the first league). There are also referees, definitely not a majority, but some that seem to be more in the job for the power that they can obtain. There is a certain amount of arrogance with which they carry themselves.
@@helvete983 they literally got 9 points in these last matches thanks to penalties near 90th minute if the referees wanted to help us they wouldnt have given those
@@helvete983 "and the name Galatasary comes up an awful lot where corruption and manipulation is involved" You do really not need to be super clever to figure this out. IT'S BECAUSE GALATASARAY IS THE MOST SUCCESFUL ONE.
When something outside the pitch and the game is being talked in football, football is not football. The game has to stay within the 90 minutes and nothing outside these minutes have to influence what happens in there...
I’m a beşiktaş fan and you are right by saying that turkish football is mental.
as a galata fan ı only watch Turkish league when besiktas and fener play with galata. ım stressful enough. ı cant stand that madness every day
Thank you for covering this. The corruption is so rampant and the evidence behind it is too much to overlook. This whole season has been a fiasco for the league.
Much love for Turkish fans from Bulgaria 😂
As a Turkish and also as a FENERBAHÇE fan, football here is insane. One team rules the whole league because it's an unfair competition. We just want fair, during this scandals.
As an admirer of football and being a Fener fan, I can only say this video is spot on in many regards. Yet, there are still a lot missing points this gracious commentary missed as one would expect. Fener and Gala are the leading European clubs if they were managed by well-minded managers. However, Gala and Trabzon are too embedded in an established politics that have been trying to confiscate Fener since FB has always been run by anti-establisment secular bourgeois. If we are to beat establishment, we'd at least become a regular in Europe League as we do in basketball.
I'm not interested in football and I'm not turkish. This just seemed like an interesting video
Good job my friend!!! Do also a video about Greek football! Love to see it. You came in the past if i am not mistaken (olympiacos Burnley 2018)
The moment i finished zealands video on this your video came up,might be a sign that I should watch some turkish football
Go for a run mate
Especially consider Galatasarays matches.They are always more challenging and a pretty good Football is played
Super cup was meant to be played in August, right before the league begins. Since Turkish Football Federation boss is a gala sided person, which is the main reason Fenerbahçe wants fair competition and justice, he postponed the cup just because gala squad wasn’t ready and they were most likely to lose the match.
The main reason for the tweet from the Trabzonspor was because the fans who got on the pitch were arrested. Previously, people who got on the pitch in Turkey were taken into police custody, but were not arrested. Trabzonspor felt that this was injust since it did not follow precedence. As a Trabzonspor fan, I am not against such people being arrested for their actions, but this should be applied for all the fans, not some in particular.
Im glad that Football exist because we turkish people get too heated when it comes to rivalry and if football didn't exist to take heat off from us, we would be on war against left and right.
As an Arsenal fan, I do not like the Turkish Super League at all, there is a lot of match-fixing, conspiracy and profiteering
In Turkey everything being ruled by politics. If you be with the “tall one” you win. If you don’t you lose. As a Turkish fans we can’t trust refrees. There is so many wrong decisions, acting on field etc.
The fact that their protests weren't even taken seriously is sad to see.
Interested to see what happens next with this, the season ending may be insane
the real reason about the protests is tha match fixture thats why nobody cares, Gala had even a harder match fixture when they were in 17th in the league, they played against Barça 3 days later Beşiktaş (İstanbul derby) than 3 days later Barça again. We didn't cried. And if you watch Süperlig you know that Fener always does matchfixing and gets Penalties at the 90th minutes usually if they are losing/draw. The only true thing they say is about the Trabzon match.
@@xdem1r because you guys had no chance to win the league or the champions league anyways, we actually have a chance to represent Turkiye as a country against Greece
@@xdem1rGalatasaray Fan complaining about match fixing is ironic asf
usually tantrums are not to be taken seriously, especially the tantrums of a billionaire. The more Ali Koc cries, the more Galatasaray will expose his incompetence
I just hope that we as Türkiye can stop these controversial situations so we can still play the Euros 2032 in Türkiye for the first time
One more point as a Fener fan maybe not under the sporlight,in first half of a season just before fener gala derby Fred fener player was given a red card for saying a bad word to the ref that has not been proven yet.He is the key player for fener and just like that he was suspended from a turkish ref that apperently understands portuguese
Depends on what word it is, some swear words are commonly known in different languages
@@Vizeh the referee who gave the red card did not speak any other language than turkish and he also isnt qualified to take place in european competetions due to his lack of english. fred only spoke portuguese and english yet the referee somehow "understood" those words and gave him a red card. allegidly fred said something like "this is stupid" and the referee took his card out because he tought it was a swear word. and this event taking place at the end of the match that was right before the derby against galatasaray (who are objectively the team that has benefited the most from the corruption) . this event also made fener basically park the bus , the game had barely any shots taken and it was generally boring all because fener failed to play attacking football because of the fact that fred is a key player that is holding the structure of the both the midfield and the entirity of the team itself.
Here's an added bonus: Fred was sent off and punished right before the game of Fenerbahçe v. Galatasaray in the first semiseason of the league for saying "why are you giving this stupid foul", as stated. This position was a grey foul right outside the box against Fenerbahçe, in the game's last minutes where Fenerbahçe was in the lead 1-0.
But weeks later Carlo Vinicius, a Galatasaray player, literally got in the face of an assistant referee and said "fuck off" three times in a row, in the game right before Galatasaray v. Beşiktaş. FOR A THROW-IN.
Dude you fenerbace fans really mental. He literally Said fuck you and it is as clear as fucking sky lmao
Turkish football viewers are the reason I stopped watching football. Every football match is a matter of sheer stress if you watch it with a die hard fan. Hooliganism is at its peak. A game of sports become the main reason behind some fatal fights.
Galatasaray funded by construction companies. Fenerbahce is funded by Koc Holding which is basically industry. First team in turkey goes directly to championship league in future and there's a race between GS and FB. It means lots of money.
You can search for the Galatasaray High School it's an elite school educating bureaucrats and diplomat since Ottoman Empire.
Galatasaray uses it's influences to overthrow Fenerbahce from football. And if we remember that Erdogan's government works with the construction companies, everything seems clear.
It isn't a theory btw, you can search. It's all about the money.
I divide people into two, good people and people who follow football...
they’ve dodged match fixing scandal just because their calls been listened illegally, not because they were innocent. even their president admitted that.
Another great video mate
Thank you pal
War = Hell
Turkish Football = War
Turkish Football = Hell
competitive sports is a religion, football is a church, teams are gods, players are demigods, managers etc. are saints
some core points for you as a turkish die-hard fenerbahçe fan:
- trabzonspor got reductions in their fines while fenerbahçe did not
- the ruling party's candidate-mayor for trabzon made some insane claims against fenerbahce
- it is said that the uefa is running an investigation within the federation due to political meddling.
- when our bus carrying the team was targeted, the federation said "we won't suspend the league, get fuked" (the driver was injured badly)
- fenerbahçe was cleared from their charges of match-fixing by the turkish courts, after about 12-13 years. the "evidence" was crafted by the feto terrorist organization which infiltrated every rank within the state (they are the ones that committed the coup d'état)
- we are still owed a bunch of millions of euros due to 2011 and what followed (we were barred from competing in the ucl)
I truly appreciate this content coming from an outside and neutral perspective. Personally, I am a fan of Galatasaray and thus, am of course somewhat biased when it comes to statements about the turkish football. Nevertheless i think it's not wrong when I say that the last couple of years, the situation got heated and heated and heated. Presidents of top clubs accusing each other of dirty things thinking egoistically and in a very short term way. This obviously doesn't really help with bringing peace and joy to the football and for sure does not elevate it to a next level. We all want the same: Justice! Fenerbahce fans (and also fans from other clubs) always think that they are the only ones experiencing injustice. Well let me tell you something, they're not. The ecosystem around football got so bad, that mistakes (mistakes that shouldn't happen) get mixed up and confused with corruption again and again. This also has to do with the fact that in turkish football there very much is corruption in it, as everything is so intransparent (but i mean, where is it transparent). Personally i wish that one day we'll all calm down and just enjoy the rivalry again. Turkish football needs a big clean up, and that's not just Fenerbahce or Galatasaray. They need to work hand in hand and try to elevate the turkish football. Put the ego aside and see the big picture. Erden Timur, vice precident of Galatasaray has this ambition but it's difficult to achieve that in an environment where everyone is only interested in short term success and more importantly, is only interested in their own success.
3:05 this guy was 1 meter close to kill Fenerbahçe player. And guess what how much ban Trabzonspor got? 4. I mean a player spitting to another player has more punishment than trying to kill someone.
Also as you can see, nobody has courage to admit their fault. If that fan killed Fener player, probably they were going to say: "But why the player died? He had no right to die!"
hi there, i'm a Besiktas fan for 20 years and I am not that much of a fanatic in respect to other teams in Turkey, I support them if I see a team play better than my own.
With that being said, I personally feel like Galatasaray has so much power and influence in the decision-making systems in Turkish football regulations and they can put lots of pressure in decision-making processes, both on the pitch and off the pitch due to their fan numbers being higher than Fenerbahce and Besiktas and also because they have more influential people both in politics and also business(yet the almighty president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is a Fenerbahce supporter). However, most of the ongoing discussion in Turkey does not carry truth in them and are almost fully speculations, like Galatasaray being the sole reason for Bein Sports to stream Turkish league.
As a Turkish football enjoyer, I should state that this present chaotic environment does put me off from watching my own national competitions and lessens my sympathy towards the culture behind all of the clubs and even the national team. And I think I am not the only one in this situation, mostly young generations are watching European leagues and describe themselves as fans of non-Turkish clubs(mostly English ones like Liverpool and City). I really believed the current Fenerbahce president Ali Koc and some previous presidents at Besiktas and Galatasaray could put an end to this chaotic environment but they are and were not able to end it, or shift the Turkish insanity to a positive path. Fans are also responsible for a better atmosphere. Rather than a sport, most see football as a battle. Even though they have close friends and relatives supporting a rival team, most can swear heavily towards the rival supporters. Aggression and violence can sometimes come into play and even people from an intelectual background can lose their mind.
Football is a great way of bringing people together and in my childhood it was quite successful in that. I remember celebrating the Galatasaray victory in UEFA final and cheering for Fenerbahce when they had beaten Sevilla in Champions League round of 16. Most of the people did so back then. But nowadays, it is as if these teams are the chief enemies, especially with social media, a toxic environment and hostility grows bigger day by day, some injustice applications by the Football Federation, or some decisions that are seemingly unfair for a particular fan group just add heat to the ongoing tension.
I think with better and autonomous decision-makers, clear-minded administrators in clubs and well-educated fans Turkish football can hit its potential and become a top league in Europe after the top 5 leagues. Yet, I don't think this will happen in the near future.
as a turkish beşiktaş fan, i believe that this league is so corrupted that everybody thinks the refs are, sadly, shite and this is just 5 or 6 issues that youve covered, if you watch the league for a while youll start growling for foul play
*I'm a Turkish guy born in Stuttgart, Germany where football is also an important thing*
*In **#Türkiye**, they take football way too serious…*
*_A common example are graves at the cemetery of the deceased ones painted in the club's colours & logo_*
*_Loyalty even after death…!_*
*And Ive seen that more than once…it's not even an oddity but quite common…maybe the lead levels of the big cities are too high*
Seems pretty exciting, I had a nice holiday there in Türkiye once
Greetings from turkey love the vid as a besiktas fan
If you want to unite these two fan bases, ask them who is Olgun (Aydın) Peker is ? Then they’ll remember that these two teams are sister clubs.
I am an Albanian Beşiktaş fan, living in Türkiye for over 20 years now. This football league used to be beautiful, events like these happened every now and then, like maybe once every 2 years but this is really getting out of hand. First of all thanks for covering the Turkish League as its often overlooked since no one outside of Türkiye really cares. Even when you were explaining in the video, the events that happened to Fenerbahçe are respectively in 2006-2011-2014. And then the final 3 events are in February, March and April... It shows how worse and out of hand things have become. Fenerbahçe is right about showing a statement even tho I disagree with the way they did it. They should have straight away not bring anyone on the pitch like Beşiktaş did to them back at 2017. The poor U19 players had to go through that. Personally I dont agree with "TFF is behind Galatasaray" or "TFF is behind Fenerbahçe". TFF is a fallen system that is trying to make the fan bases happy but they only make thing worse with every single decision they take. The refs are HORRENDOUS. Only the big teams have loud voices but even if you look at low-end teams' matches you'd still see terrible refreeing there too. I have no clue how we can get a more competent football federation or more competent refrees but some things have to change and in my opinion Fenerbahçe is doing a good job at creating a public awareness. The only way things can change seems to be if all the big 3 agrees to be on the same page and shouts their voices united at the same time. But with the politics, holiganism, extremism and incompetence, that sadly seems awfully unrealistic. I really hope this changes.
Another thing to point out might be that our teams' marvelous European campaigns. Fenerbahçe made it to Euro semis, Galatasaray made it to CL quarters and beat Real Madrid, Beşiktaş made it out the CL groups unbeaten and many more... All these happened between 2012-2018 period. Anything after 2018 is just downfall. Our teams squabbling with each other in a league that barely is profitable and being not rivals but enemies with each other is not helping us in European tournaments as well. Not to mention all this downfall effectivly reflect to the Turkish National Team.
We need a change from bottom to top. Apart from incompetent TFF and refrees, also club presidents who are always incooperative, fans that are always divisive and never understanding that football is an entertainment and ofc our social media that ALWAYS boils things up and make fans/clubs go on a rampage.
I now have an urge to watch Turkish Football
I guess Turkish Football and South American football shared same vibe! TOTALLY MENTAL!
Everything is mental in Türkiye not just the football everything every single thing.
4:04 you said it actaully right
When the Club President becomes Ertugrul and the footballers Janissaries
The higher the euro rises, the smaller teams income diminishes. Over the last three years, many popular small-town teams have gone bankrupt, and many others are waiting for their turn. Not many care about the economic situation of these teams. There is a 33-point difference between the second and third teams, and with five more matches remaining, this divide will likely widen further. It's worse than any 'farmers league'.
I’m a Galatasaray fan and this league gets more insane and mental everyday
I live in Turkey , Istanbul and am a fan of Galatasaray . This behaviour of Fenerbahçe is been always like this and they don't back down.
As a Turk I feel very embarrassed by the way the clubs conduct themselves and also by the federation that allows them to do so.
I would like to preface my comments by stating that I am a supporter of one side. I am a Galatasaray fan. Now, I want to narrate the events from my perspective. Fenerbahçe has never been wronged. The 28-minute video is full of lies and manipulations. Let’s first look at the Denizlispor match on May 14, 2006. Why are all matches in a league played at the same time? To prevent any side from gaining an advantage based on the results of other matches. This match was extended by 16 minutes. During these 16 minutes, Denizlispor won their battle against relegation, and Fenerbahçe played against an opponent with no stakes in the game. The match ended 1-1 after a series of incompetent shots, and Fenerbahçe lost the championship in the final week. If Appiah’s shot had been 2 cm lower, they would have been champions, and it was an inept attempt at match-fixing. It is important to listen to the words of the Denizlispor president before the match: “If we are relegated, we will speak out, and some people will find themselves in a difficult situation.”
There is a serious animosity between Trabzon and Fenerbahçe because Fenerbahçe surpassed Trabzon’s two championships (1998 and 2010). The shooting of the bus is also significant and has been covered up because Trabzonspor’s administrators were closely related to the authorities at the time. And Fenerbahçe is 100% right in this matter. However, more than 10 years have passed since the incident.
In 2010, Fenerbahçe did engage in match-fixing. They have never been able to clear themselves of these allegations. The evidence was there. However, changes in the Turkish justice system occurred. The evidence was dismissed as it was collected unjustly, and Fenerbahçe was acquitted. They dropped the case for the financial losses incurred through the Champions League because justice in the world operates correctly, and it would have proven that Fenerbahçe engaged in match-fixing. That’s why they withdrew from the CAS case.
Fenerbahçe tries to fix matches but can’t achieve the desired outcome. This is because the Fenerbahçe fans create immense pressure. The athletes get tangled up. Now, I will write to you who the recent presidents of the TFF are. Imagine this happening in the Premier League. Ahmet Aydınlar - Former Fenerbahçe volleyball branch president Yıldırım Demirören - Former Beşiktaş president, whose election promise was not to relegate Fenerbahçe in the 2010 match-fixing case. Nihat Özdemir - Former Fenerbahçe vice president Mehmet Ekşi - Former Gaziantepspor president and allegedly a Galatasaray congress member. (But we never saw him at the congress) Yıldırım Demirören is also the owner of Fanatik, the biggest football newspaper in Turkey. His rival, the editor-in-chief of Fotomaç, is a Fenerbahçe congress member. The video was prepared by Acun Ilıcalı, a Turkish television owner and Champions League broadcaster.
And Fenerbahçe claims to have been wronged. The TFF and media are in Fenerbahçe’s hands, and yet they claim injustice against them. Bull shit!!! It’s utter nonsense and folly!
I have separate comments regarding the Super Cup final. Atatürk is important for all Turks, but this year he is even more significant for Turks because it marks the 100th anniversary of the Republic’s independence and the country’s liberation. Neither Fenerbahçe nor Galatasaray supporters wanted this match to be played in another country. It might not have been important if it were the previous or following year. Fenerbahçe chose the date of April 7th because they thought they would be eliminated from the conference league and Galatasaray would advance past Sparta Prague. However, the opposite happened. A postponement was requested, and it would have been the third postponement. Next summer, there will be a European Championship, and the schedule will be very tight. The TFF refused the postponement. Contrary to Fenerbahçe’s claims, their rivals’ matches were not postponed. All of them played their matches that week (Olympiacos-Lamia: 5-1). The TFF said that the league match could be postponed, but Fenerbahçe did not accept it. As a protest, they fielded the U19 team. The balance of power was very different. If the match had continued, Fenerbahçe would have suffered a historic defeat, which is why they withdrew. Fielding the U-19 team was a protest, as was withdrawing from the field. Why make two protests? It diminishes the impact. If they were going to withdraw, why didn’t they field the main team and withdraw without conceding a goal? It’s nothing but a comical request for privilege. The chaos in Turkish football is solely due to Fenerbahçe president Ali Koç, an unsuccessful businessman, and his words.
Team bus being shot is crazy
it surely was. if the driver of the bus, who got injured and was bleeding, didnt manage to hit the brake and bring the bus to safety the bus wouldve fell into a viaduct and likely the whole team wouldve been killed. till this day the guilty one(s) havent been caught.
we fener fans will never forget and will never forgive
As a Turk (and Fenerbahce fan) this was a good and fair summary
I'm CRAMIAN TATAR for UKRAINIAN but I like (Beşiktaş)
Ah yes the eastern low block , Turkey and Greece never cease to defy the imagination one can have on how insanse football can get , Fenerbahce and Olympiacos threaten to leave their Leagues while envelopes are being passed behind the scenes , fans routinly killing each other on the street not even on match days even if someone isnt affiliated with a certain club just because of what city they are from , players brawling fans , owners pulling guns out on the field nvm the refs and multiple clubs being owned by the same individuals , dont even get me started on the police situations .
Bro I loved the video, so many informations in a short time very well done. I want to help out with some names because it is really funny if pronounced in English. As example the c or ç you can say like tsh e.g: Ali Koç = Ali kotsh. I hope that helps.
As a Turk I have got to admit that Kemal Ataturk doesn't deserve to be rolled down in a stadium
rest in piss atat*rk
As a Turkish football and Fenerbahçe fan i wanna explain the situation as much as i can, i know its gonna be long and its gonna make some fanatics angry but here we go
1- Our referees and league administration are incompetent. They make stupid decisions every fricking match. There is no logical explanation for some of the decisions and there is no consistency in these decisions. But big three team has more say in our league and they pressure the administration(tff) nonstop, that affect the decisions especially in home games with 50k fans shouting.
2- About Fenerbahçe... I know i am gonna make some fanatics angry but i am a Fenerbahçe fan too so... For some of the parts Fenerbahçe is actually right. The bus shooting, match-fixing case and this year Trabzonspor match, we are right about this issues . But here is the thing, our president(not league Fenerbahçe president) elected 6 seasons ago and this year, in june, there is gonna be presidential election again in Fenerbahçe. In the 6 years we didnt win anything except an one league cup and current president is losing the support of the Fenerbahçe fans, so this chaos, this protest are his(Ali Koç, the president of Fenerbahçe) way to win the support back by creating an enemy and playing victim. As a fan i am sick of this guy, he dontknow anything about football and he is manipulating his way to win an election again. There is some decisions that affected us in a bad way but here is a fun fact: we won 33 penalties in Turkish league in last 2 seasons. What i wanna say is this: there is no evil force that wanna stop Fenerbahçe, Fenerbahçe does it to itself.
3-And about that president that knocked out a ref and the fans that wanted to beat up the Fenerbahçe players, most of us probably has anger issues so the brawls and that, those are daily struggles in Turkey haha