Probably one of the most anticipated trail shoes in quite sometime, the HOKA Speedgoat 5 is HERE. It's a fun update that will make SG4 and EVO fans happy, but it's not without its quirks. What do you think about the new Speedgoat 5 and will you be snagging a pair?
Thanks for another great review. 100% I’m in. I’ve got 460+ miles on the SG4, and we’re long past due for an upgrade! (In fact, I brought the SG4s out of retirement because I was missing them so much.) Let’s go SG5!
4 months after buying, having that heel flare is no good, and the tongue is too short, curls over on itself, and unpadded for me. Bummer - because the rest of it was working. Rarely take mine out anymore. :l
The Speedgoat Evo is the only Hoka I have gone beyond 300 miles in that haven’t shown any signs of the upper ripping, at 420 miles they still have pop and comfort so I’m excited to try the Speedgoat 5’s!!
Yes, I agree. Except that I tend to wear out the outer front tread at about 240-250 miles, and still run in them but ditch them around 380-400 miles - I just don't want to slip and slide on the downgrades.
Surprisingly, I've start busting through the upper of my EVOs at the exterior toe. I'm at around 600 miles on them. Midsole is still nice and still plenty of traction.
Love the Speedgoat 5. I agree that the 4 had a more precise fit. The 5 is a bit too stretchy but it is still a great shoe. I frequently switch back to the 4 when hitting more technical trails due to the fit of the upper.
Same. I was running a technical trail this morning in my 4s and thought there is no way I would have felt comfortable on that trail in my 5s - even having replaced the stretchy laces with an old pair of 4s. The 5 upper is so unbelievably stretchy and the laces make it even worse. The 5 is worthless on anything technical at all.
Im not into trail running, only biking. A shop nearby was selling these in mint condition. Only my size left us10.5 for 60$ which was a steal. I wear them when going out. Very comfortable.
Follow up review: After 24 miles, I'm still very much a fan! Not having any upper stretching issues. Swallow tail is not an issue. I use lock lacing and tie and forget them. I love how easy it is to get the shoe on and it is sooo comfortable running. Seems much lighter and faster. I ran a tough 12 mile race and felt fresh at the end. The ONLY issue i've had was the right insert moving around so I may swap it out. I look forward to running in these shoes. Still hard to find but you need to get this one if you're a Hoka fan!
@@JeroenVanattenhoven making a loop on the top 2 eyeholes then going across to lock the top in place. Keeps shoe from sliding around Ethan does this all the time.
Just bought a pair. Thanks for the great review, as always. I loved the EVO, but haven't ran trails a ton this year. Finally broke down to get a new pair so I can get back out there.
For me I feel its debatable about a buy, for someone who has gone through multiple pairs of Evo Mofates (1's and 2's) and a pair of Evo Speedgoats, I would love to have the $150 price point. TBH I have noticed the higher price point usually accompanies a longer lasting shoe, to the point of saving money in the long term. The stretched out upper doesn't sound too inviting. Locking down the upper is such a fine line between a bruised top of the foot or no toenails from slamming the from of the shoe. As far as the crud catcher, its a design addition that seems like it has a purpose but is it really just for looks? Thanks for the honest review as always!
You got my Goat on this one..... Speedgoat duce, EVO and maybe this version....I still like version 2 a lot. These(SG5) do also come in EE. I bought 2 pairs of EE and I usually buy 10.5...the 10er in these puppies fit perfect. I suggest to size down 1/2 IF a normal tweener.
Haha was just thinking: Ginger gotta have a Speedgoat 5 review about to drop! And boom there it is…..my question for Hoka: why no Evo Speedgoat 2?? OR: why no Evo Speedgoat colorway #2
Excellent, thorough, to-the-point review!! I wear a 9W women's in the 4 for hiking. It is just wide enough. I hope the 5 is at least as wide and the stretchiness, for me, will likely be a benefit. I am hoping, as you said, the sole of the shoe is similar. I don't have much fat pad on the bottoms of my feet so I need something with cushion. The concern for me would be that swallowtail at the back. Having torn and achilles, I like the idea behind this. However, I also wear orthotics and am worried about excess heel slippage. Your point about pebbles slipping in is super valid! Thanks again. Frankly, I'm probably going to order a couple different trail shoes in wide. Only wish the Stinson came in wide, it being the only "plush" trail shoe Hoka makes. I think they missed the ball on that.
Snagged a pair. Was worried about the fit. I found they ran true to size and a size 11 felt great in-store. I found the upper stretched A LOT on my inaugural run (an 8-mile jaunt around Cougar Mtn here in the PNW). A lot of foot and heel slippage even with a runner’s knot. It was the only time I’ve ever had to stop mid-run and cinch down my laces. Felt fine closing the run out if not a bit too tight. Dialing in the fit and the right pair of socks will be key as they break in even more. I agree it’s a tough call on sizing down. On descents my toes had plenty of room, but a 10.5 would be problematic. I didn’t find any issues with the little Peter Pan tail on the heel. All that said, I literally laughed out loud bombing down rooted gnarly single track because of the grip and cushion on these. They’ll be my go to, but fit is gonna take some experimentation.
Can’t wait to get this. Still not available on Running Warehouse or on Hoka’s site. I think it supposed to be available starting tomorrow so fingers crossed there isn’t another delay.
There’s a delay. It’s not coming out tomorrow. Hoka’s official Twitter account confirmed it over in response to several customers inquiring about when it would be available.
I will buying this as soon as it shows up on RW. I've had 3 pairs of the 4 and 1 Evo and they just work for me. I couldn't get the 3 and below on my feet as they were too narrow. The stretch out issue sounds interesting. I was a big fan of the Speed Instinct and the first Torrent and hope that it is similar to that. How they loosened up but weren't deal breakers. The swallowtail reminds me of the Mach 4 which is my favorite Hoka road shoe. Sounds like a great shoe for me. I even messaged Running warehouse and it's looking like 3/25 for a release date...
Yeah, the Torrent 1 stretched out also, this is a major Con in my opinion depending in your footshape...the Torrent 1 was only runnable as a comfortable cruiser after a couple of runs but not usable for even the slightest technical terrain. After my experience with the SG3 the shoe is already a bit unstable in technical because of the higher stack, so I won't risk the Torrent-situation again with this...for cruising there are better options (TNF Vectiv Enduris, Altra Olympus, etc.)
@@Thefifaplayeryant Thanks for the reply! Thinking back I think I liked the Torrent because everything else Hoka had back then was super narrow. I love the SG4 because it is locked down and wasn't a fan of the EVO on technical...I have the Olympus and liked it but never felt locked down. I found sizing down a half size helped. Thanks again.
OK I finally got my pair and went on a 5 mile run. The first sections were rocky and technical and the last was on forest roads. I really like these shoes! They seemed to have fixed everything that bugged me about the 4's. I know they look narrow but don't feel like it with the new upper. The old upper was so stiff (especially after some miles and dirt) and the heel wanted to squash down. These slide right one and feel great. The shoe feels much lighter. I lock laced and did adjust the shoes mid run and they disappeared on my feet. The swallowtail wasn't an issue for me but I'm a fan of the Mach 4. The SG4 had a sweet spot with the laces you had to find. These new stretchy laces you can set them and forget about them. This shoe reminds me more of the EVO SG3 but with a better outsole. So far not blisters or hotspots. I have a tough 12 mile race this weekend and will see how they perform but am very encouraged so far!
It’s taken a few runs to figure out how tight to lace for a good heel fit/lock the swallowtail but now that I’ve got it, very comfortable. I do find that the gussets feel super tight to begin with then sort of just disappear. The mesh does stretch exactly as you say. Only have about 45 miles on them but they’re feeling great.
Thank you so much for leaving the distracting 'background' music out for most of your recent presentations. I am a fan again and really enjoy your informative reviews. I also discovered the expanding toe box phenomenon in my latest 'Bondi 7' (D) shoes and for my part, relieved that I have a bit more room now. Almost exchanged those for a wider model. I also own the Speedgoat 3 model and use them for road running, especially in the rain.
6:30 upper stretching is interesting. I never go wider than the standard D width, but am a half size up and EE width in this model. I think if most went up to the EE width, the upper might not stretch on you as much. 🤷
That’s the reason why I switched to altra shoes and the new Mont Blanc. Needed more toe room, when I do get them just ordered them I will let’s you guys know how they work for me. I have only ran on the evo speed goat.
Thanks for your fact-based and thorough reviews Ethan! Really trying to find a shoe that supports my (new to the family of injuries) wonky right ankle. Have been waffling between the Timp 4 (for strengthening my Achilles and ankle) and the SG5. Have been running in the Torrent 2s and just not enough support though I love their grip and fit.
I love Evos.!!! Bought 5 pairs. 4 for me, 1 for my son. 😁😁 But he's grown out of his now, so looking for similar.. Guess the SG5 is the closest to Evo... I wonder why Hoka discontinued them.. 🤔🤔🤔
@@D.K.Mikaelson hi there. Yes they are. Ran 16 miles in them yesterday straight out of the box. They are similar to the EVO's but different. Not quite as soft and slightly more supportive which for me is a good thing as I thought the EVO's were a tad soft on technical rocky terrain. I had to redo the lace on the left foot several times but the right was spit on from the off. No idea why though. Grip was brilliant on everything we ran on which included wet grass snow on grass mud and rock. Only thing which I think would help is that the tongue was a bit longer. If the lace goes through the last eyelet which I tried on the left shoe it actually went under the tongue after about 5 mins which isn't good. 5 or 10mm longer would make a big difference. Apart from those minor things all good and looking forward to getting out in them again
Thank you for the review! I was concerned as you were about this shoe. Can't wait until they are available, going to buy two pair. I fix the debris in the shoe issue with gaiters. I never race on the trails without them.
The Speedgoat 5 is good, but the more I wear it the more the upper seems to stretch. I often find myself having to stop and tighten my laces once or even twice during a run. I'm just not getting the lockdown I need to feel secure on rocky, technical trail. I sure miss the EVO.
UPDATE: Not sure if the material is different or something, but I have had the new gray color and the upper hasn’t stretched much after 40 miles. Loving it!
The million dollar question for me is this vs the Salomon Ultra Glide, had to buy them to fill a gap while waiting for the SG5 to drop, am I missing out or are do they have equivalent awesomeness?
did the same thing - looks like i will be running a 100k in the UltraGlide as i was holding out on a pair of seriously warn SG4s in anticipation of the 5s making it in time, but looks like nope.
I’m glad I just bought up a few pairs of evo mafate 2. The last looks the same and that toe box has always been pinchy for me. If they put the torrent toe box on the speedgoat it would be perfect
@@TheGingerRunner Also rocking a pair of the Evo Mafate 2s. However, whenever I look at them all I can hear is Ethan saying 'MAFAATAAYYYY' in a high pitched voice, provides nice levity 20 miles into a run...
I have kind of wide feet, based on the fact that a lot of Hokas and Adidas especially are too narrow for me. I tried the Speedgoat 5 and it too was too narrow. I then found out that they offer a Wide-version of the SG5. I bought a pair and they fit perfectly. Just a tip for those of you suffering from wide feet syndrome, like me.
I love my SG5 but there's one thing it lacks. Vibram Megagrip is unfortunately not grippy enough that I've slipped on wet leaves in the rain. On mud and rocks it has great traction. The soles that are 100% non slip imo is Asicsgrip and the Fuji Lite 2 (maybe even 3 now) is more superior offering the same level of comfort and response as SG5. I sold mine because it was a little wide for my narrow feet.
I was debating between the speed goat 5,the altra Mont Blanc or the peregrine 12 and I went with the peregrine 12 and I’m glad I did I can’t do the swallowtail 🤨it’s annoying and the ankle fit in the Mont Blanc is horrible 🤦♂️
I loved SGs 1-3; everything about them worked for me. But the SG4 has been a nightmare. 🙁 They narrowed the toebox just enough that I ended up with a nasty bunion on the outside of my right foot. I tried the men’s version (HOKA’s suggestion) but no joy. HOKA advised against buying the wide version of SG4, so I made do by placing tennis balls in the upper part of the shoe to stretch it out 😠HOKA said they got a lot of negative comments about the width of the SG4. Hoping 🤞the material they’re using on the SG5 will resolve the issue b/c it’s been a perfect shoe for me.
Literally the dumbest thing they could have done to the heel. It adds nothing to the shoe, unless of course your goal is to collect rocks along the trail.
Thank you again Ginger Runner. For the information, insight and energy! But I need more help. Is it: JACK-ard Or ja-CARD I have possibly been saying it wrong for a long time🙂
Thank you, Mr. Ginger Runner. I'm highly interested in copping myself a pair of the SpeedGOAT. I'd also like to get that beanie and sweater. Where can I find those?! I appreciate all your input and time.
I loved the Evo Speedgoat and i'm pretty happy with the SG4 (in wide) Hoping these are actually available this month. Looks like they missed the March 15th release date. Any news on when this will actually hit retailers?
Hi, thank you so much for all the reviews you do; they're great. I was wondering if you could give me your impression of how these compare to the Rincon 3 in terms of fit. Especially with regards to the pinky area ;-) Thanks and keep up the great work!
No wide option listed for the Speedgoat 5 on Hoka's website. Will they be available in wide at a later time? ETA: Wide sizes are supposed to be out in May
After the release of the Endorphin series I stepped away from Hoka and I haven't regretted it. I really love the Saucony Endorphin Trails, as a cushioned trailshoe. One thing I don't like about them is that the upper doesn't seem very durable (something to improve on).... Maybe you could test them soon?
I had a review for the endorphin trail shot and edited last year but they recalled the shoe so it was pointless, hope they get the new one figured out!
@@MrTVervolg I had a blowout on my Endorphin Trail on my first run but got them replaced under warranty. 300 miles later and no issues. Didn't know it was recalled, either.
@@jeffhallman676 hmm since I have a wide foot I would probably go speed goats. The comfort is honestly about the same. The support I would say it would be the challenger but that is pretty close. The tongue of the shoe would be the challenger. But there are both good shoes just would have to try them on and see. For me honestly neck and neck
Finally!!! Been waiting on your review for this shoe for months now. My question is how do they compare in width to the Evo Mafate 2? The speedgoat 4’s we’re too narrow, but Mafate’s we’re fine. I’ve got about 300 miles in my Mafate’s but my matrix material has blown out in two spots on both sides of the stretchy vamp. Been running in them anyway for about 100 miles. I need another trail shoe but worried this version is gonna be too narrow too. Maybe just pull the trigger on the wide?
Thank you Mr. GingerRunner for the review. I wonder for day hike between home and trails, would you recommend this speedgoat 5 or Nike pegasus trail or wildhorse or some other brands? Looking for a pair with nice cushioning to protect knees for seniors.
Seems like a fun shoe to toss into the mix. The look and heel may take some getting used to. I feel like the swallow approach may require some gaiters on gravel/sand. The May be a close 2nd or even 3rd to Altra Olympus 4 which I have several pairs of and have may have downgraded my children’s gifts due to the steep price..
I am a Veteran originally from Washington State, I was wondering what trail races are in June. I will be flying in from Germany, where I retired. Please help me out
Thanks for the review! And I have a question. I've been using the SG since the 3rd version and wish they didn't change anything from that shoe. I've worn the 4 and now the 5 for 100 milers and I may have to change to another shoe. I haven't had a chance to try the Mafate Speed 4 out yet, so hopefully that's a possibility. The reason for me not being happy with the 5's is I guess two things. That tongue is basically none existent and left a hole in the top of each foot where you tie the shoes after my last 100 which was on technical terrain. I also found that I couldn't truly lock my foot down in the shoe which resulted in my foot twisting or torqueing inside a little which gave me a blister on the outside of each heel. I never got a blister in 3's and only some slight discomfort on my right pinky toe in the 4's. The tongue on the 4 didn't feel good either but not to the extent of the 5's. I have a very hot 100 in January so no I'm fearing I'll have to find another brand entirely. Any suggestions? Again, thanks for the great review!!
Get yourself another pair of SG4 while they're still available. Got the SG5 and frankly, it seemed like a cheap version. I'm not impressed with the 5. Laces are lower quality, the midsole is way less plush & responsive. I'm trying to get another pair of 4's.
Really love the SG5 so far since I was looking for a more cushion shoes than my Peregrin 10 for long run. The only downside is for the moment it dont stop raining and trails are always wet and that shoe is the opposite of a waterproof shoes. Looking for a good waterproof for those moments.
I have liked SG4 Wide and wondering if there's going to be a wide version of SG5.. do you have any idea? I bet the regular version is not wide enough if SG4 regular wasn't?
I dig the 5 more than the evo, the outsole just feels lighter and livelier, but I do not like the tail, it’s just a funnel for debris. heel cutout on side is different than previous and starts to tap the bottom of ankle bone if not laced perfectly- has not caused any digging but makes me paranoid.
I confess.. the last Speedgoat I used was the Speedgoat 3. With 2 pairs I had a problem with the heel that broke after 20-30 km... Simply the Vibram patch in the heel was ripped off. It looks that the new sole design can avoid that, did you have any problem like that with the Speedgoat 5?
I loved the shoe at the start but im at 180 miles and the sole has worn enough to be dangerous. That is very quick. Spot on on the heel tail, it lets everything in but that was manageable. If the sole didn’t wear so quick I’d continue using them.
Thanks for the review GR! Big fan of the SG4 but the upper broke and tore after 300 km of forest trails... so is the upper in the SG5 more durable than that on the SG4? Cheers from France!
Well, my experience is the midsole is not as cushy over the miles and the bottom of my feet suffered 15 plus miles. The insole is a joke. For 155 bucks give us a good insole please! The upper holds up good but seems the tread wore out quicker than previous versions?
Bought one pair, tried it and did not like it because of the fit, it really seems I would need half size smaller...never happened before with Hoka. Urgently needing a new Evo Speedgoat, my favourite. Any tips on where to find it still? In Europe preferably?
As someone that has gone from 4 > EVO > 5, I agree with all of this. The swallowtail is a little annoying, and also makes gaiters a little strange looking/awkward fitting. There's no doubt it's a fantastic shoe, though. I wouldn't mind a little more stretch from my new pair, but hopefully not too much! Great review.
Overall I love my speedgoat 5 - I have very wide feet and the do offer wide sizes. Even so, I found I had to go up a size to fit my toes in the toebox.
I loved the speedgoat 4 because of the wide option. Too many trail shoes is too narrow. And the comfort and grip makes it a versatile trail and easy hiking shoe. My only issue is that I can get blissers where you bend your toes because of plastic(?) piece that is infront of the laces. In SG 5 it’s look smoother.
Thanks for the great details. I'm planning on going from Altra to the Speedgoat 5. Can't decide if I should go with the wide option(if available). Hearing that it stretches out, I'm not sure... Anyone have thoughts?
I’m pretty much in a similar situation: I’ve been hiking/running in the Speetgoat 4s in wide. They’re great but I tend to slide around a bit more that I’d like to. I’m considering getting the 5 in regular and see how that goes.
Altra's toeboxes are notoriously large so this will be a big change, even after upper stretch. Definitely try them on and assess before buying (if you can)
I run mostly in Xero Mesa Trail, Vibram Fives and Earth Runner Sandals. I've literally just tried on and purchased (10mins ago) a pair of wide Speedgoats to put in rotation as recovery/longer race shoes. The stretchy upper actually sold it for me, where most people seem to be complaining about it here. I'll have more feedback after a handful of runs I suppose, but felt comfy in store. 👍
I've got by mistake the women's version of this shoe. Is there any difference in the construction or its just a matter of colours? It's the size 43 1/3 (9 UK). Thanks!
İ love speed goat 5 But I've had 2 pairs now, and although I've ran quiet abit,and walked too in them ( trails) both pairs (in the midsole) have broken down....!!!! which has never happened to me before ,!! 😮Not without doing something like multiple marathons and walking trails ontop !
I had the 3's and they split at the back of the toe box a common fault, as comfortable as they are to run long distance in, durability is my biggest problem 150-200 miles is just a no go. Is this going to happen in the 5's?¿???
This is the first Speedgoat ever, where I do have issues with the ankle collar. It’s just much too high and it’s rubbing my ankle terribly… So unfortunate
Mixed feelings here! Nice shoe but I don’t feel it snug on my feet. Maybe it’s the size. In road hoka i wear 10.5 but I went to 11 with the goat, I don’t know if I made the right move, any input on this is much appreciated. Also I think that that the insoles are way too cheap and thin, they’re not ortholite like in Clifton and other hokas.
Probably one of the most anticipated trail shoes in quite sometime, the HOKA Speedgoat 5 is HERE. It's a fun update that will make SG4 and EVO fans happy, but it's not without its quirks. What do you think about the new Speedgoat 5 and will you be snagging a pair?
Already got a red one 🔥. But I will save it for my big races in the summer. It has to replace my beloved EVO's
Thanks for another great review. 100% I’m in. I’ve got 460+ miles on the SG4, and we’re long past due for an upgrade! (In fact, I brought the SG4s out of retirement because I was missing them so much.) Let’s go SG5!
Seems like they fixed the sp4 problems, but it's not as good as the Evo that was taken away from us. The Evo was near perfect
4 months after buying, having that heel flare is no good, and the tongue is too short, curls over on itself, and unpadded for me. Bummer - because the rest of it was working. Rarely take mine out anymore. :l
running in SpeedGoat 5s today for Marathon in Pinetop,Az
whisky row marathon
The Speedgoat Evo is the only Hoka I have gone beyond 300 miles in that haven’t shown any signs of the upper ripping, at 420 miles they still have pop and comfort so I’m excited to try the Speedgoat 5’s!!
No joke, my Speedgoat 2s have over 1000 miles and still a good amount of tread and zero issues on the upper
HOKA Mafate Speed 3's last a long time too!
Yes, I agree. Except that I tend to wear out the outer front tread at about 240-250 miles, and still run in them but ditch them around 380-400 miles - I just don't want to slip and slide on the downgrades.
Surprisingly, I've start busting through the upper of my EVOs at the exterior toe. I'm at around 600 miles on them. Midsole is still nice and still plenty of traction.
Love the Speedgoat 5. I agree that the 4 had a more precise fit. The 5 is a bit too stretchy but it is still a great shoe. I frequently switch back to the 4 when hitting more technical trails due to the fit of the upper.
The sole feels totally different. Not as plush and too stiff. Much prefer the 4
Same. I was running a technical trail this morning in my 4s and thought there is no way I would have felt comfortable on that trail in my 5s - even having replaced the stretchy laces with an old pair of 4s. The 5 upper is so unbelievably stretchy and the laces make it even worse. The 5 is worthless on anything technical at all.
Im not into trail running, only biking. A shop nearby was selling these in mint condition. Only my size left us10.5 for 60$ which was a steal. I wear them when going out. Very comfortable.
Follow up review: After 24 miles, I'm still very much a fan! Not having any upper stretching issues. Swallow tail is not an issue. I use lock lacing and tie and forget them. I love how easy it is to get the shoe on and it is sooo comfortable running. Seems much lighter and faster. I ran a tough 12 mile race and felt fresh at the end. The ONLY issue i've had was the right insert moving around so I may swap it out. I look forward to running in these shoes. Still hard to find but you need to get this one if you're a Hoka fan!
What is lock lacing and tie?
@@JeroenVanattenhoven making a loop on the top 2 eyeholes then going across to lock the top in place. Keeps shoe from sliding around Ethan does this all the time.
Just bought a pair. Thanks for the great review, as always. I loved the EVO, but haven't ran trails a ton this year. Finally broke down to get a new pair so I can get back out there.
For me I feel its debatable about a buy, for someone who has gone through multiple pairs of Evo Mofates (1's and 2's) and a pair of Evo Speedgoats, I would love to have the $150 price point. TBH I have noticed the higher price point usually accompanies a longer lasting shoe, to the point of saving money in the long term.
The stretched out upper doesn't sound too inviting. Locking down the upper is such a fine line between a bruised top of the foot or no toenails from slamming the from of the shoe. As far as the crud catcher, its a design addition that seems like it has a purpose but is it really just for looks? Thanks for the honest review as always!
You got my Goat on this one..... Speedgoat duce, EVO and maybe this version....I still like version 2 a lot. These(SG5) do also come in EE. I bought 2 pairs of EE and I usually buy 10.5...the 10er in these puppies fit perfect. I suggest to size down 1/2 IF a normal tweener.
I wish they would put the vibram sole on the Stinson. That would be the perfect trail shoe. Had to go to the Altra Olympus as the toe box is wider.
Haha was just thinking: Ginger gotta have a Speedgoat 5 review about to drop! And boom there it is…..my question for Hoka: why no Evo Speedgoat 2?? OR: why no Evo Speedgoat colorway #2
Excellent, thorough, to-the-point review!! I wear a 9W women's in the 4 for hiking. It is just wide enough. I hope the 5 is at least as wide and the stretchiness, for me, will likely be a benefit. I am hoping, as you said, the sole of the shoe is similar. I don't have much fat pad on the bottoms of my feet so I need something with cushion. The concern for me would be that swallowtail at the back. Having torn and achilles, I like the idea behind this. However, I also wear orthotics and am worried about excess heel slippage. Your point about pebbles slipping in is super valid! Thanks again. Frankly, I'm probably going to order a couple different trail shoes in wide. Only wish the Stinson came in wide, it being the only "plush" trail shoe Hoka makes. I think they missed the ball on that.
Snagged a pair. Was worried about the fit. I found they ran true to size and a size 11 felt great in-store. I found the upper stretched A LOT on my inaugural run (an 8-mile jaunt around Cougar Mtn here in the PNW). A lot of foot and heel slippage even with a runner’s knot. It was the only time I’ve ever had to stop mid-run and cinch down my laces. Felt fine closing the run out if not a bit too tight. Dialing in the fit and the right pair of socks will be key as they break in even more. I agree it’s a tough call on sizing down. On descents my toes had plenty of room, but a 10.5 would be problematic. I didn’t find any issues with the little Peter Pan tail on the heel. All that said, I literally laughed out loud bombing down rooted gnarly single track because of the grip and cushion on these. They’ll be my go to, but fit is gonna take some experimentation.
Can’t wait to get this. Still not available on Running Warehouse or on Hoka’s site. I think it supposed to be available starting tomorrow so fingers crossed there isn’t another delay.
There’s a delay. It’s not coming out tomorrow. Hoka’s official Twitter account confirmed it over in response to several customers inquiring about when it would be available.
@@cb4atl Thanks for the tip! Bummed to hear that news, but also glad to hear it now, rather than tomorrow.
Yup - I thought I’d be able to buy them today, but they are still not out.
Thanks for the info. Decided to go with the 4s and not regretting the decision so far💪
There you are! I like the lighting so much better now!
I will buying this as soon as it shows up on RW. I've had 3 pairs of the 4 and 1 Evo and they just work for me. I couldn't get the 3 and below on my feet as they were too narrow. The stretch out issue sounds interesting. I was a big fan of the Speed Instinct and the first Torrent and hope that it is similar to that. How they loosened up but weren't deal breakers. The swallowtail reminds me of the Mach 4 which is my favorite Hoka road shoe. Sounds like a great shoe for me. I even messaged Running warehouse and it's looking like 3/25 for a release date...
Yeah, the Torrent 1 stretched out also, this is a major Con in my opinion depending in your footshape...the Torrent 1 was only runnable as a comfortable cruiser after a couple of runs but not usable for even the slightest technical terrain. After my experience with the SG3 the shoe is already a bit unstable in technical because of the higher stack, so I won't risk the Torrent-situation again with this...for cruising there are better options (TNF Vectiv Enduris, Altra Olympus, etc.)
@@Thefifaplayeryant Thanks for the reply! Thinking back I think I liked the Torrent because everything else Hoka had back then was super narrow. I love the SG4 because it is locked down and wasn't a fan of the EVO on technical...I have the Olympus and liked it but never felt locked down. I found sizing down a half size helped. Thanks again.
OK I finally got my pair and went on a 5 mile run. The first sections were rocky and technical and the last was on forest roads. I really like these shoes! They seemed to have fixed everything that bugged me about the 4's. I know they look narrow but don't feel like it with the new upper. The old upper was so stiff (especially after some miles and dirt) and the heel wanted to squash down. These slide right one and feel great. The shoe feels much lighter. I lock laced and did adjust the shoes mid run and they disappeared on my feet. The swallowtail wasn't an issue for me but I'm a fan of the Mach 4. The SG4 had a sweet spot with the laces you had to find. These new stretchy laces you can set them and forget about them. This shoe reminds me more of the EVO SG3 but with a better outsole. So far not blisters or hotspots. I have a tough 12 mile race this weekend and will see how they perform but am very encouraged so far!
It’s taken a few runs to figure out how tight to lace for a good heel fit/lock the swallowtail but now that I’ve got it, very comfortable. I do find that the gussets feel super tight to begin with then sort of just disappear. The mesh does stretch exactly as you say. Only have about 45 miles on them but they’re feeling great.
How did you end up lacing them for a good heel lock? I have the same problem. Thank you!
Thank you so much for leaving the distracting 'background' music out for most of your recent presentations. I am a fan again and really enjoy your informative reviews. I also discovered the expanding toe box phenomenon in my latest 'Bondi 7' (D) shoes and for my part, relieved that I have a bit more room now. Almost exchanged those for a wider model. I also own the Speedgoat 3 model and use them for road running, especially in the rain.
That heel collar if ridiculous on a trail shoe. There's no way I'd even try it on. Might buy some more Speedgoat 4's while they are still in stock.
Ethan, thanks for the beta. I know this will be a welcome addition to my rotation. First Buy in a while so I definitely smashed Purchase this weekend.
Thx Ethan for your great reviews
6:30 upper stretching is interesting. I never go wider than the standard D width, but am a half size up and EE width in this model. I think if most went up to the EE width, the upper might not stretch on you as much. 🤷
Got mine excelente price thanks ginger for helping deciding
That’s the reason why I switched to altra shoes and the new Mont Blanc. Needed more toe room, when I do get them just ordered them I will let’s you guys know how they work for me. I have only ran on the evo speed goat.
Is there enough toebox room compared to altra-s?
@@ivandugandzic8028 the altras have way more toebox room.
Thanks for your fact-based and thorough reviews Ethan! Really trying to find a shoe that supports my (new to the family of injuries) wonky right ankle. Have been waffling between the Timp 4 (for strengthening my Achilles and ankle) and the SG5. Have been running in the Torrent 2s and just not enough support though I love their grip and fit.
Try La Sportiva Akasha 👍🏻
I loved my Evo's let's hope Hoka brings lots of UK size 11's to the UK 🤞
Update. My UK size 11 turned up this morning. Looking forward to trying them out ASAP.
I love Evos.!!!
Bought 5 pairs.
4 for me, 1 for my son. 😁😁
But he's grown out of his now, so looking for similar.. Guess the SG5 is the closest to Evo...
I wonder why Hoka discontinued them.. 🤔🤔🤔
@@Ecoroof1986 any good?
@@D.K.Mikaelson hi there. Yes they are. Ran 16 miles in them yesterday straight out of the box. They are similar to the EVO's but different. Not quite as soft and slightly more supportive which for me is a good thing as I thought the EVO's were a tad soft on technical rocky terrain. I had to redo the lace on the left foot several times but the right was spit on from the off. No idea why though. Grip was brilliant on everything we ran on which included wet grass snow on grass mud and rock. Only thing which I think would help is that the tongue was a bit longer. If the lace goes through the last eyelet which I tried on the left shoe it actually went under the tongue after about 5 mins which isn't good. 5 or 10mm longer would make a big difference. Apart from those minor things all good and looking forward to getting out in them again
The thing that I see is that pinky toe busting out the side. Was hoping that was fixed. Thanks for the great review bro!
thank you so much for all the reviews
Thank you for the review! I was concerned as you were about this shoe. Can't wait until they are available, going to buy two pair. I fix the debris in the shoe issue with gaiters. I never race on the trails without them.
I wear gaiters with mine, too, but the duckbill sticks out so far it makes the gaiter fit and look goofy as hell.
The Speedgoat 5 is good, but the more I wear it the more the upper seems to stretch. I often find myself having to stop and tighten my laces once or even twice during a run. I'm just not getting the lockdown I need to feel secure on rocky, technical trail. I sure miss the EVO.
The 4's are way better. The 5 feels budget by comparison. I've got both but much prefer the 4. Just feels better, more robust and planted.
So you mentioned the debris getting in … that’s my major concern… would you recommend any gaitor to go with it?
Also love my Evo Speedgoats and waiting for these and hope they have plenty.
These fit me perfect, size 13 wide se, best trail shoes i’ve ever owned!!
UPDATE: Not sure if the material is different or something, but I have had the new gray color and the upper hasn’t stretched much after 40 miles. Loving it!
The million dollar question for me is this vs the Salomon Ultra Glide, had to buy them to fill a gap while waiting for the SG5 to drop, am I missing out or are do they have equivalent awesomeness?
did the same thing - looks like i will be running a 100k in the UltraGlide as i was holding out on a pair of seriously warn SG4s in anticipation of the 5s making it in time, but looks like nope.
What if Nike Trail switched to Vibram or something similar? Would these shoes even be in the conversation compared to the Pegasus trail?
I’m getting a pair for the my double crossing of the Grand Canyon this October
I like it as a next iteration of the SpeedGoat 4, but I'm still a little disappointed that I don't think it will replace the EVO.
Me too. Maybe the Tecton X.
@@lajoshang5942 I hope for something soon, I only have 1 EVO left and I love it!
@@ChristianRunsNY I have the last one too. I order a pair of TNF Infinite bc the matrix upper and the plate. Will see. And waiting for the TectonX.
I’m glad I just bought up a few pairs of evo mafate 2. The last looks the same and that toe box has always been pinchy for me. If they put the torrent toe box on the speedgoat it would be perfect
love those evo mafate 2s!
@@TheGingerRunner Also rocking a pair of the Evo Mafate 2s. However, whenever I look at them all I can hear is Ethan saying 'MAFAATAAYYYY' in a high pitched voice, provides nice levity 20 miles into a run...
I have kind of wide feet, based on the fact that a lot of Hokas and Adidas especially are too narrow for me. I tried the Speedgoat 5 and it too was too narrow. I then found out that they offer a Wide-version of the SG5. I bought a pair and they fit perfectly. Just a tip for those of you suffering from wide feet syndrome, like me.
Great review as always. Are they wider then the 4's? I wear the 4 wide at the moment.
platform is essentially the same, the upper stretches a lot more (see review for more details)
My 5 wide is definitely less wide than my 4 wide. My pinky toe doesn't hit the sides at all in my 4 wide and it does push into the mesh of my 5 wide.
I ditched every trail runing shoes that haven't got a rockplate since I got injured with the Hoka Speedgoat 4.
I love my SG5 but there's one thing it lacks. Vibram Megagrip is unfortunately not grippy enough that I've slipped on wet leaves in the rain. On mud and rocks it has great traction. The soles that are 100% non slip imo is Asicsgrip and the Fuji Lite 2 (maybe even 3 now) is more superior offering the same level of comfort and response as SG5. I sold mine because it was a little wide for my narrow feet.
I was debating between the speed goat 5,the altra Mont Blanc or the peregrine 12 and I went with the peregrine 12 and I’m glad I did I can’t do the swallowtail 🤨it’s annoying and the ankle fit in the Mont Blanc is horrible 🤦♂️
Great review as always 👍
I loved SGs 1-3; everything about them worked for me. But the SG4 has been a nightmare. 🙁 They narrowed the toebox just enough that I ended up with a nasty bunion on the outside of my right foot. I tried the men’s version (HOKA’s suggestion) but no joy. HOKA advised against buying the wide version of SG4, so I made do by placing tennis balls in the upper part of the shoe to stretch it out 😠HOKA said they got a lot of negative comments about the width of the SG4. Hoping 🤞the material they’re using on the SG5 will resolve the issue b/c it’s been a perfect shoe for me.
I’m excited to try the SG5 but it’s nuts that that heel thing made it onto a trail shoe 😂
Difference just for the sake of it
Literally the dumbest thing they could have done to the heel. It adds nothing to the shoe, unless of course your goal is to collect rocks along the trail.
I love how the fit when you wear them but I’m more of a road runner guy. What are the pros and cons of road running in these?
Thank you again Ginger Runner. For the information, insight and energy!
But I need more help. Is it:
JACK-ard
Or
ja-CARD
I have possibly been saying it wrong for a long time🙂
Thank you, Mr. Ginger Runner. I'm highly interested in copping myself a pair of the SpeedGOAT. I'd also like to get that beanie and sweater. Where can I find those?! I appreciate all your input and time.
I loved the Evo Speedgoat and i'm pretty happy with the SG4 (in wide) Hoping these are actually available this month. Looks like they missed the March 15th release date. Any news on when this will actually hit retailers?
Is the SG5 released in wide? Thought it was initially spotted in such version but haven’t seen it-thanks.
Don't buy the 5, you'll be disappointed. Get another 4 while they're still available. Trust me on this.
Hi, thank you so much for all the reviews you do; they're great.
I was wondering if you could give me your impression of how these compare to the Rincon 3 in terms of fit.
Especially with regards to the pinky area ;-)
Thanks and keep up the great work!
No wide option listed for the Speedgoat 5 on Hoka's website. Will they be available in wide at a later time? ETA: Wide sizes are supposed to be out in May
After the release of the Endorphin series I stepped away from Hoka and I haven't regretted it. I really love the Saucony Endorphin Trails, as a cushioned trailshoe. One thing I don't like about them is that the upper doesn't seem very durable (something to improve on).... Maybe you could test them soon?
I had a review for the endorphin trail shot and edited last year but they recalled the shoe so it was pointless, hope they get the new one figured out!
@@TheGingerRunner Oh, I didn't knew they recalled the shoe... It explains a lot as to why it's so difficult to find information on the shoe!
@@MrTVervolg I had a blowout on my Endorphin Trail on my first run but got them replaced under warranty. 300 miles later and no issues. Didn't know it was recalled, either.
I love my speed goat 4 but couldnt find them in my size and didn't want to wait for the 5's. I moved over to the challengers atr
You like them?
@@jeffhallman676 so far yes have about 15 miles on them. There are pretty comfortable
@@tylerrobinson6158 How do you think they compare to the speedgoats?
@@jeffhallman676 hmm since I have a wide foot I would probably go speed goats. The comfort is honestly about the same. The support I would say it would be the challenger but that is pretty close. The tongue of the shoe would be the challenger. But there are both good shoes just would have to try them on and see. For me honestly neck and neck
Great review Ethan. Has the Evo Mafate gone as well?
Finally!!! Been waiting on your review for this shoe for months now. My question is how do they compare in width to the Evo Mafate 2? The speedgoat 4’s we’re too narrow, but Mafate’s we’re fine. I’ve got about 300 miles in my Mafate’s but my matrix material has blown out in two spots on both sides of the stretchy vamp. Been running in them anyway for about 100 miles. I need another trail shoe but worried this version is gonna be too narrow too. Maybe just pull the trigger on the wide?
Mafate Speed 3
I'd say stick with Mafate purely because of the footshape if that works for you. The speedgoats won't necessarily give you more room in comparison.
@@TheGingerRunner thank you so much!!
Thank you Mr. GingerRunner for the review. I wonder for day hike between home and trails, would you recommend this speedgoat 5 or Nike pegasus trail or wildhorse or some other brands? Looking for a pair with nice cushioning to protect knees for seniors.
Speedboats should work great! Haven’t had the best experience with grip in the Nikes
Agree with Ethan. The grip on Nike trail shoes is quite terrible.
I can’t wait to get my hands/feet on a pair of these!
with the swallowtail it's a no go for trail.
Seems like a fun shoe to toss into the mix. The look and heel may take some getting used to. I feel like the swallow approach may require some gaiters on gravel/sand. The May be a close 2nd or even 3rd to Altra Olympus 4 which I have several pairs of and have may have downgraded my children’s gifts due to the steep price..
Is the SG5 a good "door to trail" shoe? It's a couple of miles each way (on tarmac) from my doorstep to the closest trail.
I am a Veteran originally from Washington State, I was wondering what trail races are in June. I will be flying in from Germany, where I retired. Please help me out
Can't wait! Love my Speedgoat 4! Was hoping it would come out today, but noooooooop! :(
Thanks for the review! And I have a question. I've been using the SG since the 3rd version and wish they didn't change anything from that shoe. I've worn the 4 and now the 5 for 100 milers and I may have to change to another shoe. I haven't had a chance to try the Mafate Speed 4 out yet, so hopefully that's a possibility. The reason for me not being happy with the 5's is I guess two things. That tongue is basically none existent and left a hole in the top of each foot where you tie the shoes after my last 100 which was on technical terrain. I also found that I couldn't truly lock my foot down in the shoe which resulted in my foot twisting or torqueing inside a little which gave me a blister on the outside of each heel. I never got a blister in 3's and only some slight discomfort on my right pinky toe in the 4's. The tongue on the 4 didn't feel good either but not to the extent of the 5's. I have a very hot 100 in January so no I'm fearing I'll have to find another brand entirely. Any suggestions? Again, thanks for the great review!!
Get yourself another pair of SG4 while they're still available. Got the SG5 and frankly, it seemed like a cheap version. I'm not impressed with the 5. Laces are lower quality, the midsole is way less plush & responsive. I'm trying to get another pair of 4's.
Can't wait to try this shoe!!
These or the inov-8 Trailfly Ultra G 300?
Really love the SG5 so far since I was looking for a more cushion shoes than my Peregrin 10 for long run. The only downside is for the moment it dont stop raining and trails are always wet and that shoe is the opposite of a waterproof shoes. Looking for a good waterproof for those moments.
Get the goretex version then
I have liked SG4 Wide and wondering if there's going to be a wide version of SG5.. do you have any idea? I bet the regular version is not wide enough if SG4 regular wasn't?
That heel flair has been my issue with the 5... you really nailed it... with a gaiter, what now?
I dig the 5 more than the evo, the outsole just feels lighter and livelier, but I do not like the tail, it’s just a funnel for debris. heel cutout on side is different than previous and starts to tap the bottom of ankle bone if not laced perfectly- has not caused any digging but makes me paranoid.
I confess.. the last Speedgoat I used was the Speedgoat 3. With 2 pairs I had a problem with the heel that broke after 20-30 km... Simply the Vibram patch in the heel was ripped off. It looks that the new sole design can avoid that, did you have any problem like that with the Speedgoat 5?
I loved the shoe at the start but im at 180 miles and the sole has worn enough to be dangerous. That is very quick. Spot on on the heel tail, it lets everything in but that was manageable. If the sole didn’t wear so quick I’d continue using them.
Awesome review man. What time does the shoe release?
I believe it was supposed to be tomorrow, but not sure depending on retailer
@@TheGingerRunner Hope you’re right. Last I saw online was April 25. That’s forever. 😊
Thanks for the review GR! Big fan of the SG4 but the upper broke and tore after 300 km of forest trails... so is the upper in the SG5 more durable than that on the SG4? Cheers from France!
The upper is holding up fine for me (well over 100 miles at this point). Long term testing will have to wait a bit
Great review. I'll skip this shoe and wait for the Salomon Pulsar Trail to come out.
Followed the link given for the SG5 at RW, and it's not listed yet. Only shows the SG4.
Awesome, thanks for the response !
Well, my experience is the midsole is not as cushy over the miles and the bottom of my feet suffered 15 plus miles. The insole is a joke. For 155 bucks give us a good insole please! The upper holds up good but seems the tread wore out quicker than previous versions?
Bought one pair, tried it and did not like it because of the fit, it really seems I would need half size smaller...never happened before with Hoka. Urgently needing a new Evo Speedgoat, my favourite. Any tips on where to find it still? In Europe preferably?
any word when the speedgoat 6's are coming out?
I loved the Speedgoat 4's. Ran them into the ground. Can't decide if I go for the 5's or order another pair of the 4's?? Thoughts?
Same thing here
If you have the budget and need a new speedgoat, go for these!
@@TheGingerRunner this SG5 has the same issue like SG4? Delamination i mean
Please please please review the VJ Ultra. Lighter weight and an EVA midsole with a Kevlar upper
As someone that has gone from 4 > EVO > 5, I agree with all of this. The swallowtail is a little annoying, and also makes gaiters a little strange looking/awkward fitting. There's no doubt it's a fantastic shoe, though. I wouldn't mind a little more stretch from my new pair, but hopefully not too much! Great review.
How did you get them? Everywhere I look doesn’t show them for sale yet?
@@danielvanstensel I live in the UK, and a few European stores have been selling them in small quantities for each size.
@@bildotunechi Man, I still haven't been able to find a pair. I am sure I will find one eventually.
Anyone know if Hoka is coming out with a Torrent 3? Has Zinal replaced the Torrent?
2023 for the Torrent 3 & no the Zinal is not a replacement but haven’t heard about Zinal 2 ?
Looks like the Mach 4 and the Speedgoat had a kid. Seems like a great shoe but it doesn't make me want to choose it over the 4
Sounds like you need to put it on your foot. I would agree with this if you had the EVO, but it's much nicer than the upper in the 4, imo.
Overall I love my speedgoat 5 - I have very wide feet and the do offer wide sizes. Even so, I found I had to go up a size to fit my toes in the toebox.
How about SG5 for just walking? Overkill?
Sweet socks! Brand ?
I didn't find Speedgoat suitable for my much slower pace. Hoping Hoka will introduce the Hoka Slowpig.
you lost me with the words "its so narrow" - well that is Hoka unfortunately - don't know if I'll ever go back now
They should be making a “wide” version like the 4, hopefully. Slim pickings for wide shoes these days, for me anyway.
The 4 was often described as "very narrow" too -- I'm hoping they continue making a 2e, which worked great in the 4
Move on to Altra boys
Order a wide silly pants
@@wallysworkin823 they are doing a wide version of this one
I loved the speedgoat 4 because of the wide option. Too many trail shoes is too narrow. And the comfort and grip makes it a versatile trail and easy hiking shoe.
My only issue is that I can get blissers where you bend your toes because of plastic(?) piece that is infront of the laces. In SG 5 it’s look smoother.
No wide option listed for the Speedgoat 5 on Hoka's website.
On the Hoka Europe site it does.
Thanks for the great details. I'm planning on going from Altra to the Speedgoat 5. Can't decide if I should go with the wide option(if available). Hearing that it stretches out, I'm not sure... Anyone have thoughts?
I’m pretty much in a similar situation: I’ve been hiking/running in the Speetgoat 4s in wide. They’re great but I tend to slide around a bit more that I’d like to. I’m considering getting the 5 in regular and see how that goes.
Altra's toeboxes are notoriously large so this will be a big change, even after upper stretch. Definitely try them on and assess before buying (if you can)
I run mostly in Xero Mesa Trail, Vibram Fives and Earth Runner Sandals.
I've literally just tried on and purchased (10mins ago) a pair of wide Speedgoats to put in rotation as recovery/longer race shoes.
The stretchy upper actually sold it for me, where most people seem to be complaining about it here.
I'll have more feedback after a handful of runs I suppose, but felt comfy in store. 👍
I've got by mistake the women's version of this shoe. Is there any difference in the construction or its just a matter of colours? It's the size 43 1/3 (9 UK). Thanks!
The 4 definitely hurting my toes, but I hope this more stretchy version fits better
Are going to review the Nike terra kiger 8s?
i love the color blue but there's none available huhuhuh
İ love speed goat 5
But I've had 2 pairs now, and although I've ran quiet abit,and walked too in them ( trails)
both pairs (in the midsole) have broken down....!!!!
which has never happened to me before ,!!
😮Not without doing something like multiple marathons and walking trails ontop !
I had the 3's and they split at the back of the toe box a common fault, as comfortable as they are to run long distance in, durability is my biggest problem 150-200 miles is just a no go. Is this going to happen in the 5's?¿???
This is the first Speedgoat ever, where I do have issues with the ankle collar. It’s just much too high and it’s rubbing my ankle terribly… So unfortunate
Mixed feelings here! Nice shoe but I don’t feel it snug on my feet. Maybe it’s the size. In road hoka i wear 10.5 but I went to 11 with the goat, I don’t know if I made the right move, any input on this is much appreciated. Also I think that that the insoles are way too cheap and thin, they’re not ortholite like in Clifton and other hokas.
Guys I plan to buy those, with the intention of jumping rope with them, they look quite bouncy, any input from your side?