The internal problems of Cyprus have been caused by outside influences. Cyprus is a victim of it's geographical location, seen as an important military base by certain super powers. Cyprus has been refered to as the unsinkable aircraft carrier. In 1974, at the height of the cold war, the coup in Cyprus followed by Turkey's invasion and occupation was all a pre-planned conspiracy, using the Greek and Turkish Cypriots as an excuse. Turkey was waiting for this oppoprtunity for years, even before 1974. During their invasion of Cyprus, Turkey used napalm bombs on the island; more civilians than military were killed. It was an INVASION, OCCUPATION, ETHNIC CLEANSING, COLONISATION. A two state solution is NOT the answer, condoning and invasion and occupation. The best future for Cyprus is to remove the buffer zone and to put an end to Turkey's occupation in Cyprus, and also the removal of the illegal setlers (colonists) from Turkey, and to reunify the island as a Federal State and member of the European Union, with equal opportunities for all Cypriot citizens, whether Greek speaking or Turkish speaking. The whole of Cyprus as a Federal Republic would also benefit from the Carbon Energy discoveries. If this solution were to be reached, Cyprus would have a prosperous and peaceful future. More international pressure, including pressure from the UK should be imposed on Turkey, even if it means sanctions. Ersin Tartar is just a puppet, it's Turkey that's calling the shots in the northern area of Cyprus.
The usual Greek Cypriot excuses aimed at covering their crimes. As soon as Cyprus was granted independence not satisfied with the constitution which had built in safeguards for the Turkish cypriots, the Greek Cypriots illegal voted for ENOSIS (Union with Greece) and then went about violently ethnically cleansing the Turkish in their illegal quest to unite with Greece. Had Turkey not have eventually intervened no Turkish Cypriot would have remained in Cyprus. It's quite ironic that the Turkish cypriots who were the original victims since the early 60s to this day remain embargoed and isolated. In the words of Jack Straw the Turkish Cypriots are suffering due to geopolitics and nothing else. At the very least the UK should do the right thing and end the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots.
@@thetraveller1612 The isolation of the Turkish Cypriots will end when Cyprus is reunified, and Turkey ends it's illegal occupation of the northern area of the Republic of Cyprus. There is no other way. The pure Turkish Cypriots (not the colonists) are considered part of the Republic of Cyprus, they can use Repubic of Cyprus passports. The majority of Turkish Cypriots want this, they do not want to be part of Turkey, they want to be part of a free EU country with all the benefits and opportunities, and there were Turkish Cypriot demonstrations against Erdogan's visit to the occupied north. An invasion and occupation of a country cannot be condoned in any shape or form. What the UK should be doing as a guarantor power to the preservation of the independence of Cyprus is to put pressure on Turkey to end the military occupation of an independent state and to work towards the reunification of Cyprus, with mutual agreement between the Greek and Turkish Cypriots without interference from outside. The agreement in 1960 was for an independent state, excluding both ENOSIS and Partition. Turkey has violated this agreement by dividing Cyprus through it's illegal occupation to this day. The invasion was about land grabbing and not about restoring the situation, independence and status quo after the coup against President Makarios, who survived the coup. After independence in 1960 there was no such thing as a vote by Greek Cypriots for ENOSIS. Makarios's policy was to preserve the INDEPENDENCE of Cyprus.
@@thetraveller1612 You should get your facts right. The Turkish Cypriots (18%) had more rights than any other minority population in the world, even a vice president, not heard of anywhere else in the world. They also had considerable veto powers. They were not expelled from the constitution, they voluntarily wanted to separate. There was no such thing as a vote for ENOSIS by the Greek Cypriots after independence. President Makarios's policy following independence was to preserve the independence of Cyprus, not ENOSIS. An invasion and occupation of a country by force of arms cannot and will not be condoned, hence the isolation of the Turkish occupied area of the Republic of Cyprus, it's not a punishment against the pure Turkish Cypriots. Turkey is illegally controlling the northern area. The UK, as a guarantor power to the independence of Cyprus, should do its utmost to end Turkey's occupation in Cyprus, and to work towards the reunification of the island, based on mutual agreements between Greek and Turkish Cypriots without interference from outside, and this can be achieved, and I believe sooner or later this will happen because Cyprus is too small to be divided. The majority of the pure Turkish Cypriots also want this. When Erdogan visited the occupied north, there were indigenous Turkish Cypriots demonstrating loudly against his visit. They don't want to be part of Turkey, they want to be part of the Republic of Cyprus, enjoying all the benefits of European Union membership. agreement in 1960 was for Cyprus to be an Independent Republic, excluding both ENOSIS and partition
@@panostheodoulou1166bravo... any constitution where less than 30% has the power of veto in parliament was never going to work. The veto was used by Denktas to provoke and cause friction. It achieved what it set out to do... I think your previous commentor was alluding to the actions of EOKA B, which many greek cypriots don't like to talk about. TMT Established 1953 (Turkish Resistance Movement) is something that does not get looked at much either. We Cypriots all lost out and Turkey has held Cypriots in the North Hostage for 40+ years now
What did you expect? Did you think that you were going to commit genocide against TCs and Turkey would just watch you and allow you to exterminate TCs. What you did to TCs between 1950s and 1974 is despicable.
In Southern part of Cyprus are a lot of thousands of Turkish Cypriots living with no problem because there Cypriots we even have a Turkish Cypriots elected in the house of parliament
@@Pdemetriou if that is true I bet they live in fear because you Greeks cannot be trusted if the Turkish army were not in Cyprus I’m sure them Turks would NOT be there you know what I mean
Turkey wanted to divide Cyprus well before 1960 and made contributions to London Zurich agreement which were always going to cause internal democratic conflicts including the veto powers given to vice president which had to be a Turkish Cypriot. Turkey interfered externally through geopolitics and internally through Turkish Cypriot working with Ankara with the sole aim to partition the island. These tensions were further heightened by false flag operations. After the Junta of the colonials military dictatorship fell and democracy was restoring to Greece they rushed to invade Cyprus fearing there window of opportunity to invade was closing. They ruthlessly / shamelessly occupied the territory which contained 70% of Cyprus's economy. This included the harbour of Kyrinia in the north all the way down to the only deep sea port in Famagusta and eastward. No matter what the outcome of any future negotiation positive or negative the international community should not recognise a seperate Turkish state. The majority of those that reside there are Turkish settlers who stole homes, restaurants, citrus farms, hotels, factories etc etc. All this was facilitated by Turkey and there military which raped and killed after the occupation. If you don't condone what these people did then you should also never reward these Turks with any international recognition as they have already stolen homes and the lively hoods of homes and businesses built of the backs of hard working Cypriot families. Turkish Cypriots can already claim there citizenship, live and work anywhere in Cyprus but the Turkish settlerers who came for a free ride should go back to Turkey not be rewarded with economic benifit like they seem to demand in there desire for a two state solution.
Very well said . The nation of Turkey, plays dirty games against Cyprus, since 1958 through our compatriot's Turkish Cypriots. A minority of 18% of the islands population, that is been found with rights, over rights actually ,with the establishment of our common state. The Republic of Cyprus, as about their participation in the new states ,functions and rulings, YET, they blew them up, following instructions from Turkey. They actually took the arms, against their own state .from 1963-67. How comes ,and the guy above speaking about " genocide " of the Turkish Cypriots, since , a all the Cyprus state ,was just trying to control the situation . How he thinks, Today ,Turkey is dealing with the Kurdish of PKK.? Does it give them. Chocolates ? For proofs PLEASE search about.. " Rauf Denktash shocking confession " * Dervis Ali Kavazoglu kendi sesinden "
Turkiye made Turkish Cypriots free in 1974..rescued brothers from fasict greeks (eoka).. In southern occupied part of Cyprus there are still monuments of those greek terrorists..
I am sorry that you are misguided or mis expressing the things. For example: 1- London-Zurich agreements, Turkey was a strong part. But there was Greece, UK & USA involvement as well. Especially Greece should have power to change or update the agreements, if they did not that means, i am sorry to say they did not care about the Greek speaking Cypriots... 2-Junta was crashed after, Turkey's interference. Not before. And this intervention heavy supported Greece to move back to Democracy as well as in Cyprus! Please remember Eoka-b movements in Cyprus, even Greeks were trying to kill Greeks, and they did indeed. Do you see any possibility not to touch to Turkish Cypriots??? Their aim with no objection is to annex Cyprus to Greece. Do you have any objection? 3- Let say that past is past. Forget about i am wrong or you are true. Why during Annan plan or afterwords (like Crans-Montana) Greeks said no for a solution??? ı hope you already know what would happen Turkish citizens who were living in Cyprus, in case Annan plan is accepted by Greek speaking side?
80% of population was Greek Cypriot in 1974. Turkish Cypriots were 18% with the remaining 2% others. In no other country do the minorities expect such power. The Anan plan was not fair on the Greeks and favoured the minority. That is the reason Greeks voted No.
Greeks dont regard" turks" as having a right to intrude. We are talking about Turkish Cypriots only. Not the people who came illegally after the war. Most Turkish Cypriots want unity. It's the illegal settlers that are causing the devide. @@alierem4266
Good program Iain Dale !! This is what is needed by both sides of Cyprus, open discussions about their issues. They need to answer real questions and come up with realistic solutions based on democracy, equality, and rule of law.
I reply to you on the 50th anniversary of the conflict and division ... I like your overview BUT we need to understand where we are now. The best workable achievable agreement would be a joint understanding of separate administration of the two territory's within the Island.
@@SunMoon-ft6xb And I thought you had a degree of intelligence ... The E.U. brings better economic trade and cheaper exports-inports for Cyprus. Now I understand what happened in the Northern sector (I was 9 at the time and remember the news reports on British t.v.) The Turkish Cypriots would have automany and joint representation within a Unified Cyprus But they would have to give up a separatist state ... that would not stop links to Turkey
numerous nations have occupied cyprus so it has not been a greek island for 2500 years if the greeks had behaved them selves in and before 1974 without trying to kill Turkish cypriots for the sake of uniting with greece that's how they lost one third of the island. also since the turkish troops have been in cyprus there have been no wars no killing each other say's a lot for security
@@erolarslan4988Cyprus is a Greek island just like Rhodes, Kos, Kalymnos, Evia etc so it is entitled to be a part of the wider Greek state whether the Turkish/Cypriot minority likes it or not
Of course ..YES ! According to my opinion, the key word about the Cyprus issue is ..respect. RESPECT The main reason ,why Cyprus entered the EEU ,is right exactly for the quarantee and respect of all it's citizens human rights ALL CYPRIOTS human rights Greeks, Turks, Maronite's, Armenians, Latin's.. British ..etc.! No more quarantor powers . We already, ALL..suffered enough from those Today , One out of the six members of Cyprus, in the European parliament IS a Turkish Cypriot, been elected mainly by the votes of the Greek Cypriots RESPECT..
Just so some of you people know,Tatar,was the chief accountant for Asil Nadir' Polly Peck.After some investigations by the British authorities,Nadir was going down and awaiting a trial,which he would have lost.His bail was set at 1.5 million pounds,the highest ever at the time.Nadir managed to flee Britain and end up in northern Cyprus,were the British authorities could not get to him.Tatar also fled and a warrant for the arrest of him was issued,it lasted till around 2019.In 2019 his warrant of arrest was lifted after closer economic ties,were established with Turkey,amounting to many billions.The British Government reasoning for Tatar warrant been taken away was,"due to national interests"The British Government,haD abolished the arrest warrant for Tatar.The man is a crook.He was also elected leader of he TCS,due to Turkey paying 500 euros to settlers in Cyprus to vote for him.LBC you need shooting for even allowing this criminal on your show.
Fair enough if its actually done on land or territory that you own. in 1974 you made up only 18% of the cyprus population not forming a majority in any of the Cyprus districts. There are even less of you today outnumbered by illegal Turkish settlers. For all that there has to be a settlement and there could be if Turkey showed goodwill and didbt have its own territorial ambitions on cyprus
@paulr75 None of this is relevant. Since 1974 all Cypriots live in peace thanks to Turkey. If Turkey had not intervened in 1974 perhaps, today, there would be no TCs in Cyprus as Sampson, Makarios and Grivas hated everything Turkish and their ultimate aim was to ethnically cleanse Cyprus of TCs and make Cyprus a Greek island.
@nacirizagolu741 It's very relevant,it's also interesting that you ignored everything I said. The Turkish tiny minority on cyprus where merely a tool recruited by the desperate British to thwart self determination by the majority population of greek descent. There was a conflict where both sides suffered.Dont spout your generic Turkish propaganda to me you make yourself look like a fool and waste both our times.
So why are you accepted to have a cypriot passport?Since you do t recognise Cyprus republic ?Then give up your cypriot passport ASP.They should have never given it to you!
Tartars rationale is as good as the book keeping he did for failed convicted tycoon Asil Nadir owner of Polypeck and the Del Monte food brand which led to Nadir being imprisoned in the UK
Right . SO right . The man is / was also a " wanted " person in England because of this . The fact ,is that on about two years ago , a Turk , Mafia leader blaming Mr.Erdogan ,saying that they had an agreement about the occupyed areas of the island to becomes a Drugs dealers base and a Manet laundering area
As long as europe listens to the Greeks complaints.. which never end there will be no solution. I am a Cypriot.. turkish speaking..and british.. I have a cyprus passport and I'd.. but I don't have the same rights as a Greek speaking Cypriot. Why not. I am Cypriot. Same as Greek Cypriot. Why can I not sell my land in the south for argument sake..
Because the “your” land is not “yours” but stolen from the official owners. Read the un resolutions. As you said, you have EU passport because of the RoC. You got this passport without paying even 1 cent tax unlike greek cypriots. In fact you have MORE rights than greek cypriots..
BC the South is fascist; They do not want to give rights to their minorities, they see them as a problem, and the plans they have found to solve this "problem" are all violence, or deportation, in other words, genocide. They tried, but they did not succeed when the Republic of Türkiye intervened in the island. They don't want Turks. From their point of view the island has always been Greek (historically wrong, most of the southern Cypriots are genetically Anatolian, they are related to the Turks on the island, there is a difference in religion and language, that's all). And they want the Turks to be oppressed, they want the embargoes not to be lifted (despite promises that they would be), but why?! Do the Turkish Cypriots on the island exclude the southerners, NO, majority of the Turkish Cypriots are in favor of unification, so why don't the southerners want it, do the southerners on the island have bad memories of the Turkish Cypriots killing them and throwing them into big pits, NO, quite the opposite! ua-cam.com/video/a8rRiMaGCfY/v-deo.html Southern Cyprus is racist, religious and fascist. If they had the chance they would call for a crusade to expel the Turks from the island! Türkiye made a mistake and should have taken the whole island; So that it could purge all the fascists and hostile elements, just like the US did in NAZI germany, or Mussolini's Italia(Fascist Italy)...
Island ethnically 80% greek with a 13% turkish cypriot minority. The greeks at the time wanted to join greece.. thats 80% majority, since when does a minority call the shots on a country. Never heard of.
Out of all the callers, Hassan gave me hope with his attitude. He put his arguments forward clearly and objectively. This is what I see is lacking between the two sides. I blame the politicians spewing their own agendas and rhetoric. This keeps the two sides arguing with personal emotion which means there will never be a solution. More finger pointing. Bravo Hassan.
If Turks got a land wth blood, they cannot give it free or without blood. There is no issue for Turks to remove the Turkish troops from the island unless somebody (or country) could make it. EU has no power. USA has power but no gain for them. So Cyprus issue will not be resolved another 50 years!
Background and Context Cyprus, an island nation in the Eastern Mediterranean, has a complex history marked by its strategic importance and diverse population, primarily comprising Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. The island was a British colony until it gained independence in 1960. The new constitution established a power-sharing arrangement between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, but tensions soon arose. The Makarios Presidency Archbishop Makarios III became the first President of independent Cyprus. Although initially a proponent of enosis (union with Greece), he later adopted a more moderate stance, advocating for Cypriot independence to balance the interests of both Greek and Turkish Cypriots. His leadership, however, faced opposition from both the far-right nationalist EOKA B and Turkish Cypriot factions. Rising Tensions Throughout the 1960s and early 1970s, intercommunal violence and political strife plagued Cyprus. The Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government in 1963 after a constitutional crisis, leading to increased segregation and the establishment of Turkish Cypriot enclaves. The UN Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) was deployed in 1964 to mitigate violence, but hostilities persisted. Greek Junta and EOKA B In 1967, a military junta took control of Greece. The junta supported the enosis movement and EOKA B, a paramilitary organization led by General George Grivas, which sought to achieve union with Greece through violent means. EOKA B's activities included attacks on Turkish Cypriots and clashes with forces loyal to President Makarios. Deterioration of Relations President Makarios' efforts to distance himself from the Greek junta and pursue a non-aligned foreign policy further strained relations with Greece. In 1974, he accused the Greek military regime of meddling in Cypriot affairs and called for the removal of Greek officers from the Cypriot National Guard, fearing a coup. The Coup On July 15, 1974, the Greek military junta, in conjunction with EOKA B, orchestrated a coup against Makarios. The coup was led by the Cypriot National Guard under the command of Greek officers. Makarios narrowly escaped assassination and fled to Paphos, then abroad, leaving Nicos Sampson, a notorious enosis advocate and former EOKA member, as the new president. Immediate Aftermath The coup provoked a swift and severe reaction from Turkey, which invoked its rights as a guarantor power under the Treaty of Guarantee (1960). Fearing the persecution of Turkish Cypriots and the potential for enosis, Turkey launched a military intervention on July 20, 1974. The invasion led to the occupation of the northern part of the island, resulting in significant displacement and casualties. Conclusion
Greeks started the war and Turks finished the war. It's time for Britain and UN to leave Cyprus. Turks had Cyprus since 1571, before Britain went to America Australia Canada New Zealand and forced English onto everyone.
@bigboyrambo2581 With the population being 85% Greek? It doesn't matter who claims to be owner it matters what the people are. Also Turkey rented the Island to the UK and then after the Greek war of independence in 1921 they signed a treaty renouncing all claims to Cyprus giving it to the UK who made it a Republic. Turkey have no claims to Cyprus you do some history
@@mikem8211 Greece have never in history owned Cyprus, Ottomans conquered Cyprus from Venetians. Imagine if Ottomans ruled like the British French Spanish Portuguese or Russian empire's did, all of Cyprus would be speaking Turkish, all of Greece would be speaking Turkish.
I fully agree with Mr.Tatar!As a result and in accordance with his point of view, that 18% is equal with 82%,(turkish to greek ratio in Cyprus),during his next visit to Ankara to propose a kurdish goverment for Turkey,as kurdish people are more than 20% of the population of Turkey and have the same rights as turks.Fair enough I think!!!
This is one island ! You are trying to make Cyprus a victim.just like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians . Israel has also invaded Palestine 75 years Cyprus has been invaded by Turkey since 1964!!!!How tragic this is!
@tomasinaessk5978 75 years ago the Arabs countries launched an attack on Israel to eliminate the Jews. The Arabs lost the war with some land which they wouldn't lost if they were willing to live in peace with the Jews. Most of the Arabs refugees had abandoned their houses believing that they would have come back after they would had eliminated Jews. So, there are no so many similarities between the Middle East and the Cyprus problem as you're implying by your comment.
Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan. @Ian Dale worth doing a similar debate about the Kurdish vs turkey problem..
@@oliverA4936 yes, i used to live. The long dated problem still exists... Same with turkish and greek cypriots...there are a lot mix marriages so why not have one united cyprus?
It’s not similar at all, the Cypriots lived together in peace for many years until the uk aggravated the two sides as mainland Greece and turkey also got involved and there is still peace there today as we look for a peaceful reunification of our Cyprus
Some two thousand years ago, a Roman historian said, it is a lot easier to begin a war than end one, for the beginning and the end is not necessarily controlled by the same people. The expansionists, Monarko Fascists in Athens started this latest adventure, and unfortunately many innocent people paid the ultimate price, and still paying. As those fascists in Athens did not learn their lesson some half a century prior to 1974. Drunk with the “Megali Idea” in the early 1920’s they invaded the Anatolia proper with the idea of recreating the Eastern Roman Empire, Byzantium. At that, Italian and French armies realized pretty soon , the war against the magnificent Mustafa Kemal was not winnable, chose the smart way, packed up and left. What did the Greek Monaro Fascists do?, they doubled down, marched towards Ankara. The rest is history. When are Greeks going to learn, their golden age of expansionism is over, the “Megali Idea” is dead.
Both communities have lack of confidence to each other. The reason is external forces which is Greece and Turkey. Sincere and frequent meetings are not held between the leaders.
@@KavlosteMeViagra they do, the Greek Cypriots had a chance to unify the island 17 times but they blocked. The latest was the Anan plan which is not drawn up by Greeks or Turks, it was the UN, it was based on models around the world which have WORKED
@@deriser_3q363 Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan
@@johnmckinzie3925 You're totally wrong, how can you speak of the problem in turkey when you're not turkish or kurdish turkish? I've got countless kurdish turkish friends in London, they're just like every other turk, in fact they speak better turkish than me!!! The kurdish workers party, pkk does not represent them. They are a terrorist organisation in the veil of a political party which brainwash kurds to commit suicide bombings. My friends wants to live under turkey, they are turkish citizens, they love the country as every turkish citizen does. The problem is not the kurds, the problem is the terrorism. This problem has nothing to do with the cyprus problem. The cyprus problem began with junta, the military coup in greece which wanted enosis on the island of cyprus, to join with greece. They openly said it... they even fought with their own greek cypriot leader makarios, greek fighting greek cypriots. But when the fighting turns to turkish cypriots and turkey comes in to stop enosis , it's called an invasion???? insane!
Ian failed you are very bias Türkiye did not invade that’s what happens with provocation the Greeks provoked for Türkiye to come to rescue the Turkish civilians because the Greeks were trying to kill all the Turks and join with Greece it isn’t going to happen. While Türkiye came to the island the Greek junta fell which brought democracy to Greece and the island has been peaceful for over fifty years that says something that’s why Turkish troops will stay on the island for ever
"Cypriot Turks" like Mr. Tatar would have you believe that Turkish Cypriots are few. Yet, even after the decades of being unnaturally torn from their identity as Cypriots, (as Individuals), like the Greek Cypriots, no "Greek" and no "Turkish" candidate has ever won overwhelmingly in elections; Cypriots exist, and they are the many. This is something to think about. And what is wrong with a BBF? An identity as a State, as an Individual prepared to defend the values and the Principles that secure our Freedom and our Basic Human Rights as equals without the need for further distinctions and discrimination, as well as an identity as Persons where having the Liberty of self-representation within Cypriot Constituencies, mindful as majorities of the minorities living among them by offering the same trust and respect, recognising their special needs and by providing for them with their Agendas in Goodwill, and Goodfaith. ...let's never forget who died most horribly with this History of violence in Modern times on this island: those who were not "Them", civilian, unarmed, and more reasoned. The "Greeks" and the "Turks" if you look more closely never really busied themselves killing each other. This too, is something to think about. ...what comes first? Is it the identity you carry as a Person, or your identity as a member of the greatest whole, call it Humanity? This is the Problem that is the problem not just in Cyprus where "Greekness" was defeated with the coup's failure from a total lack of support and where "Turkishness" remains an even greater existential threat (to all of us) because of how it is now dividing Turkey, and how in the Ukraine Ukrainians suffer from "Ukrainians" and "Russians" the same fate, being divided, and of having their Identities as Individuals usurped from them. But, i am hopeful. Who better than Putin and Erdogan to find a solution; they know the Problem well, they know that from infamy to fame for them comes with a small change of intentions.
The British never granted the right of Self Determination to Cyprus because the Greeks constituted 82% of the population and wanted to unite with Greece. To appease Turkey and secure their bases they came up with the most unworkable Constitution in the 1960s as a precursor to the division of the island...
Cyprus shot itself on the foot. The Greek speaking Cypriots fell for the crap idea of the “Megali Idea”. How in the world did the government of Monarco Fascist in Athens, think a military powerhouse, Turkey would just watch their compatriots being slaughtered, and not intervene?
Greek bloke you had plenty of chances at the table but you wanted it all it ain’t gonna happen the EU got no power over Türkiye and one two state solution left and Turkish troops WILL stay if you Greeks were not greedy and genocidal this may never had happened
Suggest you start getting educating from facts, and not from the classic Turkish dark propaganda sources. The coup was against makarios and his people NOT against turkish cypriots as turkey incorrectly claims and use as ground to implement its long dated dirty plans which were to illegally invade and occupy the cyprus territory. Turkey is NOT in cyprus to “protect” TCs but to use this territory for their OWN interests..
But , that coup against Makarios, by Greece , was NEVER been donned in the name of ENOSIS . Greece, that time was under military junta , ..and of what it does , was by the coup , against the loyal government of that time ,to open the door / gives the legal chance to Turkey , for to invade ..
@@andrigeogiou8420 Can you give a guarantee that Greece will not invade Cyprus? You cannot justify yourself by blaming the Greek military junta. Is it happened? Yes, happened. Period.
Is this guy really believe that we are going to give our 37% of our country to turkey? Politicians must give realistic solutions. This guy must leave politics.
If someone invaded your house and took 1/3 of the square footage, would you be willing to officially accept the division of the house so that the intruders could establish legitimate rights over what they had stolen? Of course not; that is what a two-state solution provides. Reunification is about both Greek and Turkish Cypriots acknowledging their Cypriot identity above everything else - this means the incorporation of all under the Republic of Cyprus without the continuous threat of Turkey as a foreign state actor. Turkey has no part to play in the future of the Republic of Cyprus; the only thing they guarantee is uncertainty and the continuation of instability along with political mischief.
That is such an deep insight into the issue and I oresume like myself that you are a Cypriot as it takes one to have such an opinion in the first place. Great Analogy
47:04 Ken has right. Try something new to get a solution. Einstein said “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing yet expecting different results.” :)
Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan
Of course, and this can happen. Cyprus, Is a full member of EU. IF.. Even the 1/3 from all those measures we all follow against Russia, supporting Ukraine on its struggle for freedom, wil gonna be taken, and against Turkey, supporting Cyprus on its similar struggle. The island could be been free FREE...
Ian Dale you are very biased against our president Ersin Tatar, the Turkish Cypriots deserve recognition after more than 50 years of isolation. Please look into the islands history and try to understand the Turkish Cypriot point of view before making comments which affend us all.
Get educated with facts. Isolation? Hahaha....some facts: turkish cypriots live in stolen properties, have EU passport without paying even 1 cent tax, they enjoy a number of benefits from the officially internationally recognised RoC and yet they are crying about their “suffering” from greek cypriots...😂
Well...my opinion is : that it can been done if both people are wished & are serious about it , yes it's possible because had learned from the past mistakes which cost bad blood in both sides !!! But I think that the time has not come yet for the people as a whole to reached that political decision !!! Although in history exists a small example of people ' s will power determination even in a small scale but very important !!! Helvetia which is located almost in the heart of Europe give us this example !!! The country is divided in sections which depends upon the different nationalities of her people : German/ French/ Italian !!! However in spite of that all the sections operate practically as a whole united in one skeleton and this decisive political transformation success occurred under the leadership of the Greek politician Kapodistrias & already existed a statue of him in the capital which constructed & placed in there as gratitude by the people to thank him for his effort !!! If I remembered well Kapodistrias works for a time for Alexander of Russia then became the first governor of Greece after the revolution of 1821 but had bad end because he was assassinated !!!
Well, it seems that the only viable solution is two sovereign countries operating side by side, taking care of their own people, and their own problems. Inevitably, that would bring a harmonic cooperation between them. I hope the British will notice it and (this time) do what is right.
Good point But...why turkey does not allow the creation of the well deserved nation Kurdistan. The only solution to Kurdish - Turkish problem is partition of turkey too.
Are you aware that the british during the anan plan, had the right to re-drawn their own borders for their bases?? Which meant creating an eez, teritorial waters. But at tge same time making them smaller, but granding such rights were outrageous. Yes i hope the british do whats right
@@KavlosteMeViagra this is a totally different situation to the one of Cyprus … the Turks are not there to ethnically clens the Kurds… the problem comes when the Greeks have junta, the Greeks came to make enosis. The Turkish came to protect the Turks. The Greek Cypriots we’re fighting against greeks!!! And then it turned to Turks vs Greece and you expect Turkey not to protect its own people from enosis?
There is no South and North Cyprus. There is only the Republic Cyprus. Also Greek-Cypriot comprise the 81% of the total population in Cyprus and the Turkish-Cypriots 18%. He's full of lies.
There are cypriot christians and muslims not turks. Othoman empire through taxing christians converted cypriot populations to muslims but not turks. The settlers from turkey under international law are illigally there and such change of population is crime against humanity.
The greek says you have the groceries next to the halal butcher and you wouldn't know which is which. Er I think its pretty obvious which is which as the halal butcher isn't going to be Greek.
Unity both sides no Turkish troops no greek troops no English troops no quaranto countries European Union United nations to keep security. One country one united Cyprus the only recognised Republic since 1960.
actually no. Article one states that intervention only allowed for sole purpose of restoring the integrity of the republic. Turkey's actions and stated goals clearly violate this (which is why every country on earth considers the invasion illegal). Not to mention that article 1 doesn't even apply to the second wave (august) invasion.
IF, Turkey had the right to interfere after the coup against the island loyal government , as a quarantor powers . Was just for to re establishe that loyal government of the island . RE ESTABLISHE and for sure NOT to ..occupying still the half almost of the island
Unless there are enforceable protections to prevent the greek Cypriots from exterminating the Turkish cypriots, namely equal representation, the Turkish protection force will need to stay in place.
He is trying to be the voice of turkish cypriots. If he is not do something nobody will say come let's make an agreement together. Everything has been tried. Problem cannot be solved for more than 50 years, patience has run out.
@@johnmckinzie3925 the topic is not kurds and turkey, I think you are confused or didn't watch it. Watch the whole video I recommend you. there is no kurd problem in turkey they are living together without BORDER. They have party in parliament too (HDP) It's obvious you're here to create a perception operation. You are posting same things hundreds of times I can see. You are trying to say I m here 👏🏻
@@zolo8447 yes, but the argument that “cyprus cannot be united” is not valid. My point is that the turkish fascists keep saying that greeks and turkish cypriots cannot live together while the “borders” are open for more than 15 years now and there are lots of turkish and greeks visiting each site (and some of them are working too) without any issue. So why not unite cyprus?? This cyprus issue is in either way similar with turks - kurds issue...why turkey did not respect the Kurdish referendum for a free independent state Kurdistan and instead it illegally invaded (again) the areas where Kurds live committing another genocide (again)?
Cypriot Greeks and Cypriot Turks have the same accent. You can also approach the same matter from a Cypriot Turkish point by finding, then, all the Cypriot Greeks as original Turks, but converted Orthodox...
Absolutely incorrect. Background and Context Cyprus, an island nation in the Eastern Mediterranean, has a complex history marked by its strategic importance and diverse population, primarily comprising Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. The island was a British colony until it gained independence in 1960. The new constitution established a power-sharing arrangement between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, but tensions soon arose. The Makarios Presidency Archbishop Makarios III became the first President of independent Cyprus. Although initially a proponent of enosis (union with Greece), he later adopted a more moderate stance, advocating for Cypriot independence to balance the interests of both Greek and Turkish Cypriots. His leadership, however, faced opposition from both the far-right nationalist EOKA B and Turkish Cypriot factions. Rising Tensions Throughout the 1960s and early 1970s, intercommunal violence and political strife plagued Cyprus. The Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government in 1963 after a constitutional crisis, leading to increased segregation and the establishment of Turkish Cypriot enclaves. The UN Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) was deployed in 1964 to mitigate violence, but hostilities persisted. Greek Junta and EOKA B In 1967, a military junta took control of Greece. The junta supported the enosis movement and EOKA B, a paramilitary organization led by General George Grivas, which sought to achieve union with Greece through violent means. EOKA B's activities included attacks on Turkish Cypriots and clashes with forces loyal to President Makarios. Deterioration of Relations President Makarios' efforts to distance himself from the Greek junta and pursue a non-aligned foreign policy further strained relations with Greece. In 1974, he accused the Greek military regime of meddling in Cypriot affairs and called for the removal of Greek officers from the Cypriot National Guard, fearing a coup. The Coup On July 15, 1974, the Greek military junta, in conjunction with EOKA B, orchestrated a coup against Makarios. The coup was led by the Cypriot National Guard under the command of Greek officers. Makarios narrowly escaped assassination and fled to Paphos, then abroad, leaving Nicos Sampson, a notorious enosis advocate and former EOKA member, as the new president. Immediate Aftermath The coup provoked a swift and severe reaction from Turkey, which invoked its rights as a guarantor power under the Treaty of Guarantee (1960). Fearing the persecution of Turkish Cypriots and the potential for enosis, Turkey launched a military intervention on July 20, 1974. The invasion led to the occupation of the northern part of the island, resulting in significant displacement and casualties. Conclusion
A classmate from Albania as a Greek descendant told me Cyprus was never Turkish in the history. I think our Greek neighbors make their mistake here. The history does not decide how we should live today. Like Putin in his interview with an American journalist says “there was never a Ukraine in the history”. And the American journalist was constantly questioning, “But Mr.Putin, what is the relation of these events with the today war?” Or Pashinyan of Armenia was saying 3,000 ago it was an Armanian land when he was interviewed in the Hard Talk on BBC and the moderator was questioning saying that But Mr Pashinyan it is today recognized by UN as Azerbaijani land. Or China ´s Xi does not accept Thailand again decorating his view by departing from the history. . There was a state of the Rebuplic of Cyprus and Greece, Türkiye, UK came together and established this find new state. Our Greek neighbors departed from their history school books and lived on another dream. They would just accept what they had already accepted in 1960 and we would live in a harmony today. . I am a Cypriot Turk and my mother ´s big family managed to run away from the massacre in the Bloody Noel in December 1963 the last minute in the middle of the night. She told me only those who had a run away car managed to escape. The other neighbors of them were machined-gunned as babies, kids, women, servants at home that time, but any body and every body. While running away, the last minute, one of my uncles pushed our new born cousin underneath a sofa thinking that we are gonna be slaughtered here at least this baby could survive. They could not choose the regular road to drive away, but through a farm-field they drove their car with all lights off. But that uncle remembered his baby. They stopped there and my mother left the car with another two cousins, one 3 and the other almost 2 years old, got a shelter in a one-room service building in that farm. My mother told me she found a bank in that room and sat leaning her back against the wall looking towards the direction they came from and with those two small babies under each arm. And the armed Greek militants noticed their presences in that building and they opened a machine gun fire on them. My mother told me she was feeling the bullets bouncing back from the wall behind her, with the sound and with the vibrations. And that night one of those two babies first time talked and said ´Korkuyorum!´in Turkish, means ´I am scared!´. By creeping over the fields, one uncle managed to get in the house back and he took the forgotten baby. It took all night for them to reach safer areas in the further north from where they lived in Lefkosia. My mother told me more about also how some other families forgot or hid their babies in the houses they left in that night and they talked to UN officers and the UN officers went in these houses following days and brought their babies back. . That woman together with her three kids, they were machine-gunned in the bathtub where they were hiding in their house, they were just in a walking distance away from the house of my mother’s family in that night. . For the next 11 years, from 1963 till 1974, every night was like a horror movie for the Turks in the island. Finally, peace invaded the island in 1974 from the North and there is no more massacres. . . I wrote all these things only for one reason: we said Yes to the Annan peace plan in 2004 and the South refused it. . Today, dominantly, the young generations in South who have never lived with Turks before, they say NO to live together with Turks in the island. Those in South who had experience to live together with Turks, they say YES to live together with Turks in the island. . The other way round in North; Today, dominantly, the young generations in North who have never lived with Greeks before, they say YES to live together with Greeks in the island. Those in North who had experience to live together with Greeks, they say NO to live together with Greeks in the island. . There is only one reason behind it: Two counter education mentalities and bitter living past memories. OK, we cannot ask people to forget their memories, but at least we can educate our young generations with a future looking peaceful materials. . EU asked both sides to remove adverse material against one another from your school books and EU would cover all of the school material. North said yes and they updated the school materials. South said “No, Our education is not for sale!” . Before we raise proper generations to live together, it is very difficult to come together and agree on a peace agreement. …
The turks invaded in 1974 therefore they have no claims to be a separate state.You cant have a state within a state.Turkish troops, must leave the island.The U.N must take a strong stance on the turks.A two state solution should be quashed immediately.
There are lots of examples in the world about 2 separated countries in one land..but jorge you are right Cyprus should be one and this could be realized by only leaving Cyprus to it's real owners Turks..
You are not getting enything other than one country , If you like go to the Anatolian and we see you like it , Europe yiok as you say Yiok yiok no Europe for you
If you ask a Turkish Cypriot what they prefer Europe or Anatolia Its there choice It is with sorrow i say that the Turkish Cypriots are in Cyorus under the control of the Turk's from Anatolia ,,the term Turkish Cypriots use for the settlres MOULAES
I was in Cyprus prior to 1974 and back then the locals saw themselves first as Cypriots, with no close ties to Greece or Turkey. The language they spoke was not relevant, and all could travel freely anywhere on the island. A bit like the English and the Welsh. Unity requires that Turkey withdraw all it military forces plus the 200,000+ forced migrants and there descendents from the island. Then Cypriots can reclaim their homes both sides of the DMZ.
because they didn't invade, why did the british watch in their bases in cyprus and not stop this so called invasion? Why did makarios beg the guarantor powers to intervene?
@@johnmckinzie3925 different situation. If America tried to invade Ukraine to make it nato and Russians were dying in Ukraine and Russia came I. To save those Russians in Ukraine, then you can compare. But it’s not…
It's stupid, and baseless logic; Russians have never been a minority in Ukraine. There was a time when Ukrainians were a minority of Russians. They were massacred and genocided, just like what happened to the Turkish minority in Cyprus. That's why TRNC president Mr. Tatar says "we will never accept being a minority"; because once it was, and the Greek Cypriots massacred the Turkish Cypriots. If we were to establish a relationship between the Ukraine Russia incident and the Cyprus incident, we would have to live in a reality where Greece intervened on the island, not Türkiye.
@@mentesIV “ The people's republics of Donbas turned to Russia with a request for help”. There is a 28 min video. The past is the past tho. As modern 21st century Turks you must accept you history and apologize for the genocide of Assyrians, Greeks and Armenians in 1922 ,withdrawal the 40 000 + troops from Cyprus, remove the huge flag from the mountains of Cyprus that remind us of Fascism and allow the return of 200 000 people to return to their homes. At the same time as a guarantor of justice and peace you must grant the independence to the Kurds as an example and good gesture.
@@georgechristou7982 Was the Ukrainian army, and the armed organizations trained and equipped by the Ukrainian state, killing minorities and throwing their dead bodies into the pits they dug? Was Russia one of the guarantors of peace in Ukraine? Did Ukraine commit these massacres for religious unity and to be part of a country bigger than Ukraine? No?! Then STFU!
The Turkish Cypriots now are minority in the north Cyprus because Turkey brought almost four times as many migrants. While cultural the Turkish and Greek Cypriots closer between each other than the motherlands
RUBBISH. WHY don't you mention anything about the amount of people that were bought over to Cyprus from Greece. STILL you never like speaking the truth. SHAME on you.
The Greek high Commision really has no idea of the islands history. Greeks and Turks are not just Cypriot, we identify as Turkish Cypriot, different religion, language etc. and yes there is the TRNC and Ersin Tatar is the president..
@@kazan2081 not only to europeans but other regions too including USA. I bet you dont know the real history or you read the “history” only from the classic turkish dark propaganda sources
Same old bollocks from both TC & GC sides. I’m now 56 and this has been going on all my life. I’m half TC and have GC friends. We all think the same - both sides leaders are happy to claim sovereignty over each other and not agree to forget history and start again. The politics on both sides is out dated, and laughable. It’s 2023 FFS !!! Cyprus is a lovely island but it’s not a global power. We’ve had 2 world wars, gulf conflicts and now the nutter Putin. Bored of it all now. Glad I was born and live in England !!!
What ..? What kind of genocide you are talking about..? 1963 , the Turkish Cypriots took the arms against their own state. Remember ..? How you think , the Turkey's state deals with the Kurdish of PKK ? ..Does it give them ..chocolates ?.
@@serdarvonphototours4u We did. However, most Greek Cypriots realised that this would have meant partition and voted for an independent and importantly non aligned state. That is why EOKA B came into existance and carried out acts of violence against the government. Now the truth is that both Greek, and Turkish Cypriots have suffered and there is no doubt about this. The Cyprus issue goes beyond the two communities and the fact that Cyprus nowdays is pivotal in any operations carried out in the Middle East gives an indication of this.
@@Agamemnon1002 It is quite amazing that you didn’t mention a word about the atrocities of the EOKA against the Turkish Minority on the Island mate!? I wonder why that is? You pretend as if everything was smiles and roses . One comes to think that Cyprus and the Cypriots are victims no? Victims of EOKA and the Turks of course… We remember well the pictures of our brothers and sisters massacred by greek Cypriots shot to death with their kids in their arms in Bathtubs. No you people can’t be trusted. You don’t want to see nor do you want to hear. There are many who talk with reverence about Nikos Sampson and the Officers of the Greek Junta in Cyprus. I know what I am talking about I have visited Cyprus in the past.
@@Agamemnon1002 its not a personal thing. But ambitions, threats, policies ! None can obtain any result. with a simple standing we can paralize all these antiTurk plans.
I disagree with the TV presenter, what is happening is similar to what is happening in Palestine and Israel in terms of rhetoric; Israel wants the rights of the Israelis to be respected, Palestine does not recognize the Israelis (even though this contradicts reality) and wants them to leave. It is wrong to use rhetoric that still justifies southern Cyprus after the Annan Plan, and ironic to see the Turks as occupiers. The promises made with the Annan Plan were not kept. The West humiliated the TRNC, deceived the Turkish Cypriots, and increased the stress on the Turkish Cypriots by allowing southern Cyprus to unilaterally join the EU. There are those who want to turn the EU into a crusader club (especially France.) The most important conditions for admission to the EU are minority rights and no border problems, the southern Cyprus has both of these. There are no EU membership conditions that Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Southern Cyprus, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Ireland, etc. can meet but Türkiye and Northern Cyprus cannot. The problem has always been religion, and as long as the parties that are supposed to offer a solution to the problem look at religion, it is impossible to find a solution. The Turks in Türkiye and the Turks in Cyprus, unlike the western European countries, have a history and culture that believes that all religions can live together in harmony, which makes them naive. The Annan Plan was an evil plan, hypocritical and full of lies! The people of Türkiye and Northern Cyprus were deceived by the Annan Plan. This ugly act was organized together with the UN. It is no secret that the moment the Turkish military force withdraws from the island, southern Cyprus will attack again and mass graves of Turkish Cypriots will start to be found on the island again. I'm sure, greece and south cyprus intelligence has a name list in their hand, list of things to be "eliminated". ua-cam.com/video/a8rRiMaGCfY/v-deo.html After 50 years, Imposing a "solution" of a single state on a people who have previously lived under a single state and have been massacred is a call for new massacre!
There’s no Southern Cyprus, there’s the legal Republic of Cyprus and then the occupied areas comprising an illegal state which is the puppet state of the invaders. Do you know how many mass graves of GC were found? Plenty. The only aggressors in the island are the invaders. ua-cam.com/video/2q44eKJULAg/v-deo.html
@@mentesIV Well one of them is Massacres of the people of Asha in 1974 83-84 people, by the Turkish army. their bodies where moved to a landfill in Dikomo. their bodies were thrown initially into wells. there are over 1k missing Cypriots and the north is not giving access to dig them up. also the Turkish army has deliberately tampered with the graves (based on science not speculations). Yes during the invasion the Greeks killed Turkish Cypriots too but the fact that you say where? it shows how little you care.
Well, the situation is like Israel, where Israel is the legal country and Palestinians are those not recognised by the international community, but trying to create their own country by taking a piece from Israel. So, this is what Mr Tatar and his supporters are trying to do in Cyprus, to take a piece of a country and make it their own. Now let's talk about the rest. The Annan plan was a totally unrealistic plan which would lead to disaster. Next, if Turkey isn't occupying Cyprus, what else is the army doing in the north? Mr Tatar is humiliating the Turkish Cypriots by suggesting a two-state solution, when we already know that Cyprus joined the EU as one undivided country and not as a Greek-Cypriot state. It is no secret that Turkey keeps the army in the north out of self-interest and not because they want to protect anybody. They only need power and natural gas. We are not in 1974 now, and many Greek Cypriots travel to the north for tourism. But you see the propaganda is so big that some people never listen to common sense.
Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan
Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan
The internal problems of Cyprus have been caused by outside influences. Cyprus is a victim of it's geographical location, seen as an important military base by certain super powers. Cyprus has been refered to as the unsinkable aircraft carrier. In 1974, at the height of the cold war, the coup in Cyprus followed by Turkey's invasion and occupation was all a pre-planned conspiracy, using the Greek and Turkish Cypriots as an excuse. Turkey was waiting for this oppoprtunity for years, even before 1974. During their invasion of Cyprus, Turkey used napalm bombs on the island; more civilians than military were killed. It was an INVASION, OCCUPATION, ETHNIC CLEANSING, COLONISATION. A two state solution is NOT the answer, condoning and invasion and occupation. The best future for Cyprus is to remove the buffer zone and to put an end to Turkey's occupation in Cyprus, and also the removal of the illegal setlers (colonists) from Turkey, and to reunify the island as a Federal State and member of the European Union, with equal opportunities for all Cypriot citizens, whether Greek speaking or Turkish speaking. The whole of Cyprus as a Federal Republic would also benefit from the Carbon Energy discoveries. If this solution were to be reached, Cyprus would have a prosperous and peaceful future. More international pressure, including pressure from the UK should be imposed on Turkey, even if it means sanctions. Ersin Tartar is just a puppet, it's Turkey that's calling the shots in the northern area of Cyprus.
The usual Greek Cypriot excuses aimed at covering their crimes. As soon as Cyprus was granted independence not satisfied with the constitution which had built in safeguards for the Turkish cypriots, the Greek Cypriots illegal voted for ENOSIS (Union with Greece) and then went about violently ethnically cleansing the Turkish in their illegal quest to unite with Greece. Had Turkey not have eventually intervened no Turkish Cypriot would have remained in Cyprus.
It's quite ironic that the Turkish cypriots who were the original victims since the early 60s to this day remain embargoed and isolated. In the words of Jack Straw the Turkish Cypriots are suffering due to geopolitics and nothing else. At the very least the UK should do the right thing and end the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots.
@@thetraveller1612 The isolation of the Turkish Cypriots will end when Cyprus is reunified, and Turkey ends it's illegal occupation of the northern area of the Republic of Cyprus. There is no other way. The pure Turkish Cypriots (not the colonists) are considered part of the Republic of Cyprus, they can use Repubic of Cyprus passports. The majority of Turkish Cypriots want this, they do not want to be part of Turkey, they want to be part of a free EU country with all the benefits and opportunities, and there were Turkish Cypriot demonstrations against Erdogan's visit to the occupied north. An invasion and occupation of a country cannot be condoned in any shape or form.
What the UK should be doing as a guarantor power to the preservation of the independence of Cyprus is to put pressure on Turkey to end the military occupation of an independent state and to work towards the reunification of Cyprus, with mutual agreement between the Greek and Turkish Cypriots without interference from outside. The agreement in 1960 was for an independent state, excluding both ENOSIS and Partition. Turkey has violated this agreement by dividing Cyprus through it's illegal occupation to this day. The invasion was about land grabbing and not about restoring the situation, independence and status quo after the coup against President Makarios, who survived the coup. After independence in 1960 there was no such thing as a vote by Greek Cypriots for ENOSIS. Makarios's policy was to preserve the INDEPENDENCE of Cyprus.
@@thetraveller1612 You should get your facts right. The Turkish Cypriots (18%) had more rights than any other minority population in the world, even a vice president, not heard of anywhere else in the world. They also had considerable veto powers. They were not expelled from the constitution, they voluntarily wanted to separate. There was no such thing as a vote for ENOSIS by the Greek Cypriots after independence. President Makarios's policy following independence was to preserve the independence of Cyprus, not ENOSIS.
An invasion and occupation of a country by force of arms cannot and will not be condoned, hence the isolation of the Turkish occupied area of the Republic of Cyprus, it's not a punishment against the pure Turkish Cypriots. Turkey is illegally controlling the northern area. The UK, as a guarantor power to the independence of Cyprus, should do its utmost to end Turkey's occupation in Cyprus, and to work towards the reunification of the island, based on mutual agreements between Greek and Turkish Cypriots without interference from outside, and this can be achieved, and I believe sooner or later this will happen because Cyprus is too small to be divided. The majority of the pure Turkish Cypriots also want this. When Erdogan visited the occupied north, there were indigenous Turkish Cypriots demonstrating loudly against his visit. They don't want to be part of Turkey, they want to be part of the Republic of Cyprus, enjoying all the benefits of European Union membership. agreement in 1960 was for Cyprus to be an Independent Republic, excluding both ENOSIS and partition
@@panostheodoulou1166bravo... any constitution where less than 30% has the power of veto in parliament was never going to work. The veto was used by Denktas to provoke and cause friction. It achieved what it set out to do...
I think your previous commentor was alluding to the actions of EOKA B, which many greek cypriots don't like to talk about.
TMT Established 1953 (Turkish Resistance Movement) is something that does not get looked at much either.
We Cypriots all lost out and Turkey has held Cypriots in the North Hostage for 40+ years now
What did you expect? Did you think that you were going to commit genocide against TCs and Turkey would just watch you and allow you to exterminate TCs. What you did to TCs between 1950s and 1974 is despicable.
You are living with the settlers from Turkey so you are not Cypriot
In Southern part of Cyprus are a lot of thousands of Turkish Cypriots living with no problem because there Cypriots we even have a Turkish Cypriots elected in the house of parliament
@@Pdemetriou you had he was not re _ elected !Gone with the wind.
Go and tell those palavras to your people..
@@Pdemetriou if that is true I bet they live in fear because you Greeks cannot be trusted if the Turkish army were not in Cyprus I’m sure them Turks would NOT be there you know what I mean
What you say is a lie you son of a gun
Turkey wanted to divide Cyprus well before 1960 and made contributions to London Zurich agreement which were always going to cause internal democratic conflicts including the veto powers given to vice president which had to be a Turkish Cypriot. Turkey interfered externally through geopolitics and internally through Turkish Cypriot working with Ankara with the sole aim to partition the island. These tensions were further heightened by false flag operations. After the Junta of the colonials military dictatorship fell and democracy was restoring to Greece they rushed to invade Cyprus fearing there window of opportunity to invade was closing. They ruthlessly / shamelessly occupied the territory which contained 70% of Cyprus's economy. This included the harbour of Kyrinia in the north all the way down to the only deep sea port in Famagusta and eastward.
No matter what the outcome of any future negotiation positive or negative the international community should not recognise a seperate Turkish state. The majority of those that reside there are Turkish settlers who stole homes, restaurants, citrus farms, hotels, factories etc etc. All this was facilitated by Turkey and there military which raped and killed after the occupation. If you don't condone what these people did then you should also never reward these Turks with any international recognition as they have already stolen homes and the lively hoods of homes and businesses built of the backs of hard working Cypriot families.
Turkish Cypriots can already claim there citizenship, live and work anywhere in Cyprus but the Turkish settlerers who came for a free ride should go back to Turkey not be rewarded with economic benifit like they seem to demand in there desire for a two state solution.
Very well said .
The nation of Turkey, plays dirty games against Cyprus, since 1958 through our compatriot's Turkish Cypriots.
A minority of 18% of the islands population, that is been found with rights, over rights actually ,with the establishment of our common state. The Republic of Cyprus, as about their participation in the new states ,functions and rulings, YET, they blew them up, following instructions from Turkey.
They actually took the arms, against their own state .from 1963-67.
How comes ,and the guy above speaking about " genocide " of the Turkish Cypriots, since , a all the Cyprus state ,was just trying to control the situation .
How he thinks, Today ,Turkey is dealing with the Kurdish of PKK.?
Does it give them. Chocolates ?
For proofs PLEASE search about..
" Rauf Denktash shocking confession "
* Dervis Ali Kavazoglu kendi sesinden "
Kudos! 👍
Turkiye made Turkish Cypriots free in 1974..rescued brothers from fasict greeks (eoka).. In southern occupied part of Cyprus there are still monuments of those greek terrorists..
I am sorry that you are misguided or mis expressing the things. For example:
1- London-Zurich agreements, Turkey was a strong part. But there was Greece, UK & USA involvement as well. Especially Greece should have power to change or update the agreements, if they did not that means, i am sorry to say they did not care about the Greek speaking Cypriots...
2-Junta was crashed after, Turkey's interference. Not before. And this intervention heavy supported Greece to move back to Democracy as well as in Cyprus! Please remember Eoka-b movements in Cyprus, even Greeks were trying to kill Greeks, and they did indeed. Do you see any possibility not to touch to Turkish Cypriots??? Their aim with no objection is to annex Cyprus to Greece. Do you have any objection?
3- Let say that past is past. Forget about i am wrong or you are true. Why during Annan plan or afterwords (like Crans-Montana) Greeks said no for a solution??? ı hope you already know what would happen Turkish citizens who were living in Cyprus, in case Annan plan is accepted by Greek speaking side?
80% of population was Greek Cypriot in 1974. Turkish Cypriots were 18% with the remaining 2% others. In no other country do the minorities expect such power.
The Anan plan was not fair on the Greeks and favoured the minority. That is the reason Greeks voted No.
Greek vote was 'no', hence losing chance of Annan possible solution, to which Turks will not go back and vote again.
Greeks dont regard" turks" as having a right to intrude. We are talking about Turkish Cypriots only. Not the people who came illegally after the war. Most Turkish Cypriots want unity. It's the illegal settlers that are causing the devide. @@alierem4266
Good program Iain Dale !! This is what is needed by both sides of Cyprus, open discussions about their issues. They need to answer real questions and come up with realistic solutions based on democracy, equality, and rule of law.
Cyprus is for cypriots. Not greece not turkey
I reply to you on the 50th anniversary of the conflict and division ... I like your overview BUT we need to understand where we are now. The best workable achievable agreement would be a joint understanding of separate administration of the two territory's within the Island.
You are a joke , who are the cypriots ??? its only a geo id.
@@SunMoon-ft6xb And I thought you had a degree of intelligence ... The E.U. brings better economic trade and cheaper exports-inports for Cyprus. Now I understand what happened in the Northern sector (I was 9 at the time and remember the news reports on British t.v.) The Turkish Cypriots would have automany and joint representation within a Unified Cyprus But they would have to give up a separatist state ... that would not stop links to Turkey
And not England too.
@@sgthamm3r108 We want to go back now, I never wanted to leave
Why did you go as far as the Ottomans and not before
Cyprus it has been a Greek island for 2.500 years
numerous nations have occupied cyprus so it has not been a greek island for 2500 years if the greeks had behaved them selves in and before 1974 without trying to kill Turkish cypriots for the sake of uniting with greece that's how they lost one third of the island. also since the turkish troops have been in cyprus there have been no wars no killing each other say's a lot for security
False, You have nothing to do with ancient Greeks, You are a Rum.
Big whoopti whoop, we all came from Adem and Eve so it belongs to all of us!!!!
@@kazali2978you said it yourself: OCCUPIED. Not their island to bargain for, so end of story
@@erolarslan4988Cyprus is a Greek island just like Rhodes, Kos, Kalymnos, Evia etc so it is entitled to be a part of the wider Greek state whether the Turkish/Cypriot minority likes it or not
Of course ..YES !
According to my opinion, the key word about the Cyprus issue is ..respect.
RESPECT
The main reason ,why Cyprus entered the EEU ,is right exactly for the quarantee and respect of all it's citizens human rights
ALL CYPRIOTS human rights
Greeks, Turks, Maronite's, Armenians, Latin's.. British ..etc.!
No more quarantor powers .
We already, ALL..suffered enough from those
Today ,
One out of the six members of Cyprus, in the European parliament IS a Turkish Cypriot, been elected mainly by the votes of the Greek Cypriots
RESPECT..
Free cyprus 🇨🇾❤
FREEDOM IN 2024
Just so some of you people know,Tatar,was the chief accountant for Asil Nadir' Polly Peck.After some investigations by the British authorities,Nadir was going down and awaiting a trial,which he would have lost.His bail was set at 1.5 million pounds,the highest ever at the time.Nadir managed to flee Britain and end up in northern Cyprus,were the British authorities could not get to him.Tatar also fled and a warrant for the arrest of him was issued,it lasted till around 2019.In 2019 his warrant of arrest was lifted after closer economic ties,were established with Turkey,amounting to many billions.The British Government reasoning for Tatar warrant been taken away was,"due to national interests"The British Government,haD abolished the arrest warrant for Tatar.The man is a crook.He was also elected leader of he TCS,due to Turkey paying 500 euros to settlers in Cyprus to vote for him.LBC you need shooting for even allowing this criminal on your show.
@@johnnywires943 How can one forget these crooks
Living as free human beings and self governing oneself is more important than international recognition.
Fair enough if its actually done on land or territory that you own.
in 1974 you made up only 18% of the cyprus population not forming a majority in any of the Cyprus districts.
There are even less of you today outnumbered by illegal Turkish settlers.
For all that there has to be a settlement and there could be if Turkey showed goodwill and didbt have its own territorial ambitions on cyprus
@paulr75 None of this is relevant. Since 1974 all Cypriots live in peace thanks to Turkey. If Turkey had not intervened in 1974 perhaps, today, there would be no TCs in Cyprus as Sampson, Makarios and Grivas hated everything Turkish and their ultimate aim was to ethnically cleanse Cyprus of TCs and make Cyprus a Greek island.
@nacirizagolu741 It's very relevant,it's also interesting that you ignored everything I said.
The Turkish tiny minority on cyprus where merely a tool recruited by the desperate British to thwart self determination by the majority population of greek descent.
There was a conflict where both sides suffered.Dont spout your generic Turkish propaganda to me you make yourself look like a fool and waste both our times.
Shame on LBC for allowing such interview this man talking rubbish that’s why he has a Republic of Cyprus passport
Comments from the youth were critical.
We can live together in harmony if you let us.
But you weren't able to live in harmony in 1963.
Count how many times he used the word Turkey and how many the word Cyprus.You will understand a lot.
So why are you accepted to have a cypriot passport?Since you do t recognise Cyprus republic ?Then give up your cypriot passport ASP.They should have never given it to you!
Tartars rationale is as good as the book keeping he did for failed convicted tycoon Asil Nadir owner of Polypeck and the Del Monte food brand which led to Nadir being imprisoned in the UK
Right . SO right .
The man is / was also a " wanted " person in England because of this .
The fact ,is that on about two years ago , a Turk , Mafia leader blaming Mr.Erdogan ,saying that they had an agreement about the occupyed areas of the island to becomes a Drugs dealers base and a Manet laundering area
As long as europe listens to the Greeks complaints.. which never end there will be no solution. I am a Cypriot.. turkish speaking..and british.. I have a cyprus passport and I'd.. but I don't have the same rights as a Greek speaking Cypriot. Why not. I am Cypriot. Same as Greek Cypriot. Why can I not sell my land in the south for argument sake..
It depends on where you live. If you live in the occupied area, some of the rights are not applied
Because the “your” land is not “yours” but stolen from the official owners. Read the un resolutions. As you said, you have EU passport because of the RoC. You got this passport without paying even 1 cent tax unlike greek cypriots. In fact you have MORE rights than greek cypriots..
BC the South is fascist; They do not want to give rights to their minorities, they see them as a problem, and the plans they have found to solve this "problem" are all violence, or deportation, in other words, genocide. They tried, but they did not succeed when the Republic of Türkiye intervened in the island.
They don't want Turks. From their point of view the island has always been Greek (historically wrong, most of the southern Cypriots are genetically Anatolian, they are related to the Turks on the island, there is a difference in religion and language, that's all).
And they want the Turks to be oppressed, they want the embargoes not to be lifted (despite promises that they would be), but why?!
Do the Turkish Cypriots on the island exclude the southerners, NO, majority of the Turkish Cypriots are in favor of unification, so why don't the southerners want it, do the southerners on the island have bad memories of the Turkish Cypriots killing them and throwing them into big pits, NO, quite the opposite! ua-cam.com/video/a8rRiMaGCfY/v-deo.html
Southern Cyprus is racist, religious and fascist. If they had the chance they would call for a crusade to expel the Turks from the island! Türkiye made a mistake and should have taken the whole island; So that it could purge all the fascists and hostile elements, just like the US did in NAZI germany, or Mussolini's Italia(Fascist Italy)...
Turkish Cypriots can claim their land and get a Cypriot passport 100% what are you talking about? 😂
Bullshit, you have all the rights of a Cypriot and European yet you want it all. In the end the pareis ta arxidia mas tourkomongole.
Well said Adrian from Barnet!!
Island ethnically 80% greek with a 13% turkish cypriot minority. The greeks at the time wanted to join greece.. thats 80% majority, since when does a minority call the shots on a country. Never heard of.
Out of all the callers, Hassan gave me hope with his attitude. He put his arguments forward clearly and objectively. This is what I see is lacking between the two sides. I blame the politicians spewing their own agendas and rhetoric. This keeps the two sides arguing with personal emotion which means there will never be a solution. More finger pointing. Bravo Hassan.
United Cyprus as a member of EU. There is the securiy for all citizens
Cyprus has been invaded by the Turks since 1964 first invasion and then 1974
Very fair debate with out A Cypriot
If Turks got a land wth blood, they cannot give it free or without blood. There is no issue for Turks to remove the Turkish troops from the island unless somebody (or country) could make it. EU has no power. USA has power but no gain for them. So Cyprus issue will not be resolved another 50 years!
Careful what you wish for.
Background and Context
Cyprus, an island nation in the Eastern Mediterranean, has a complex history marked by its strategic importance and diverse population, primarily comprising Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. The island was a British colony until it gained independence in 1960. The new constitution established a power-sharing arrangement between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, but tensions soon arose.
The Makarios Presidency
Archbishop Makarios III became the first President of independent Cyprus. Although initially a proponent of enosis (union with Greece), he later adopted a more moderate stance, advocating for Cypriot independence to balance the interests of both Greek and Turkish Cypriots. His leadership, however, faced opposition from both the far-right nationalist EOKA B and Turkish Cypriot factions.
Rising Tensions
Throughout the 1960s and early 1970s, intercommunal violence and political strife plagued Cyprus. The Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government in 1963 after a constitutional crisis, leading to increased segregation and the establishment of Turkish Cypriot enclaves. The UN Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) was deployed in 1964 to mitigate violence, but hostilities persisted.
Greek Junta and EOKA B
In 1967, a military junta took control of Greece. The junta supported the enosis movement and EOKA B, a paramilitary organization led by General George Grivas, which sought to achieve union with Greece through violent means. EOKA B's activities included attacks on Turkish Cypriots and clashes with forces loyal to President Makarios.
Deterioration of Relations
President Makarios' efforts to distance himself from the Greek junta and pursue a non-aligned foreign policy further strained relations with Greece. In 1974, he accused the Greek military regime of meddling in Cypriot affairs and called for the removal of Greek officers from the Cypriot National Guard, fearing a coup.
The Coup
On July 15, 1974, the Greek military junta, in conjunction with EOKA B, orchestrated a coup against Makarios. The coup was led by the Cypriot National Guard under the command of Greek officers. Makarios narrowly escaped assassination and fled to Paphos, then abroad, leaving Nicos Sampson, a notorious enosis advocate and former EOKA member, as the new president.
Immediate Aftermath
The coup provoked a swift and severe reaction from Turkey, which invoked its rights as a guarantor power under the Treaty of Guarantee (1960). Fearing the persecution of Turkish Cypriots and the potential for enosis, Turkey launched a military intervention on July 20, 1974. The invasion led to the occupation of the northern part of the island, resulting in significant displacement and casualties.
Conclusion
Greeks started the war and Turks finished the war.
It's time for Britain and UN to leave Cyprus.
Turks had Cyprus since 1571, before Britain went to America Australia Canada New Zealand and forced English onto everyone.
They never had Cyprus it was always at least 85% Greek.
@@mikem8211 go learn history before talking BS, Turks conquered all of Cyprus in 1571.
@bigboyrambo2581 With the population being 85% Greek? It doesn't matter who claims to be owner it matters what the people are. Also Turkey rented the Island to the UK and then after the Greek war of independence in 1921 they signed a treaty renouncing all claims to Cyprus giving it to the UK who made it a Republic. Turkey have no claims to Cyprus you do some history
@@mikem8211 Greece have never in history owned Cyprus, Ottomans conquered Cyprus from Venetians.
Imagine if Ottomans ruled like the British French Spanish Portuguese or Russian empire's did, all of Cyprus would be speaking Turkish, all of Greece would be speaking Turkish.
@@mikem8211 be thankful Turks are Muslim's or you would all be speaking Turkish today
I fully agree with Mr.Tatar!As a result and in accordance with his point of view, that 18% is equal with 82%,(turkish to greek ratio in Cyprus),during his next visit to Ankara to propose a kurdish goverment for Turkey,as kurdish people are more than 20% of the population of Turkey and have the same rights as turks.Fair enough I think!!!
This is one island ! You are trying to make Cyprus a victim.just like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians . Israel has also invaded Palestine 75 years Cyprus has been invaded by Turkey since 1964!!!!How tragic this is!
@tomasinaessk5978 75 years ago the Arabs countries launched an attack on Israel to eliminate the Jews. The Arabs lost the war with some land which they wouldn't lost if they were willing to live in peace with the Jews. Most of the Arabs refugees had abandoned their houses believing that they would have come back after they would had eliminated Jews.
So, there are no so many similarities between the Middle East and the Cyprus problem as you're implying by your comment.
And if you live and feel cypriot then you will get rid of the Turkish settlers and reunite the island
Good luck !
Exactly Army should go back to where the were brought in for the invasion to harm us Cypriots.We will never forget 1964+1974
Mr Tartar you forgot to mention TMT TAKSIM group who were fighting with the Brittish for division of the island
Never
Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan. @Ian Dale worth doing a similar debate about the Kurdish vs turkey problem..
Lol do you live there? The Kurds of Turkey are so well assimilated. My cousin there married a full blood Kurdish woman
@@oliverA4936 yes, i used to live. The long dated problem still exists... Same with turkish and greek cypriots...there are a lot mix marriages so why not have one united cyprus?
It’s not similar at all, the Cypriots lived together in peace for many years until the uk aggravated the two sides as mainland Greece and turkey also got involved and there is still peace there today as we look for a peaceful reunification of our Cyprus
@@oliverA4936I'm Greek Cypriot with a Turkish Cypriot auntie and uncle. That doesn't mean anything
Well last time I checked they lived together mate?
Too much western TV it seems…
Some two thousand years ago, a Roman historian said, it is a lot easier to begin a war than end one, for the beginning and the end is not necessarily controlled by the same people.
The expansionists, Monarko Fascists in Athens started this latest adventure, and unfortunately many innocent people paid the ultimate price, and still paying. As those fascists in Athens did not learn their lesson some half a century prior to 1974. Drunk with the “Megali Idea” in the early 1920’s they invaded the Anatolia proper with the idea of recreating the Eastern Roman Empire, Byzantium.
At that, Italian and French armies realized pretty soon , the war against the magnificent Mustafa Kemal was not winnable, chose the smart way, packed up and left. What did the Greek Monaro Fascists do?, they doubled down, marched towards Ankara. The rest is history. When are Greeks going to learn, their golden age of expansionism is over, the “Megali Idea” is dead.
Both communities have lack of confidence to each other. The reason is external forces which is Greece and Turkey. Sincere and frequent meetings are not held between the leaders.
Except that the two communities do not even have a say in the solution of the Cyprus problem.
@@KavlosteMeViagra they do, the Greek Cypriots had a chance to unify the island 17 times but they blocked. The latest was the Anan plan which is not drawn up by Greeks or Turks, it was the UN, it was based on models around the world which have WORKED
@@deriser_3q363 ua-cam.com/video/T7ZJv2szxls/v-deo.html
@@deriser_3q363 Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan
@@johnmckinzie3925 You're totally wrong, how can you speak of the problem in turkey when you're not turkish or kurdish turkish? I've got countless kurdish turkish friends in London, they're just like every other turk, in fact they speak better turkish than me!!! The kurdish workers party, pkk does not represent them. They are a terrorist organisation in the veil of a political party which brainwash kurds to commit suicide bombings. My friends wants to live under turkey, they are turkish citizens, they love the country as every turkish citizen does. The problem is not the kurds, the problem is the terrorism. This problem has nothing to do with the cyprus problem. The cyprus problem began with junta, the military coup in greece which wanted enosis on the island of cyprus, to join with greece. They openly said it... they even fought with their own greek cypriot leader makarios, greek fighting greek cypriots. But when the fighting turns to turkish cypriots and turkey comes in to stop enosis , it's called an invasion???? insane!
Ian failed you are very bias Türkiye did not invade that’s what happens with provocation the Greeks provoked for Türkiye to come to rescue the Turkish civilians because the Greeks were trying to kill all the Turks and join with Greece it isn’t going to happen. While Türkiye came to the island the Greek junta fell which brought democracy to Greece and the island has been peaceful for over fifty years that says something that’s why Turkish troops will stay on the island for ever
"Cypriot Turks" like Mr. Tatar would have you believe that Turkish Cypriots are few. Yet, even after the decades of being unnaturally torn from their identity as Cypriots, (as Individuals), like the Greek Cypriots, no "Greek" and no "Turkish" candidate has ever won overwhelmingly in elections; Cypriots exist, and they are the many. This is something to think about.
And what is wrong with a BBF? An identity as a State, as an Individual prepared to defend the values and the Principles that secure our Freedom and our Basic Human Rights as equals without the need for further distinctions and discrimination, as well as an identity as Persons where having the Liberty of self-representation within Cypriot Constituencies, mindful as majorities of the minorities living among them by offering the same trust and respect, recognising their special needs and by providing for them with their Agendas in Goodwill, and Goodfaith.
...let's never forget who died most horribly with this History of violence in Modern times on this island: those who were not "Them", civilian, unarmed, and more reasoned. The "Greeks" and the "Turks" if you look more closely never really busied themselves killing each other. This too, is something to think about.
...what comes first? Is it the identity you carry as a Person, or your identity as a member of the greatest whole, call it Humanity? This is the Problem that is the problem not just in Cyprus where "Greekness" was defeated with the coup's failure from a total lack of support and where "Turkishness" remains an even greater existential threat (to all of us) because of how it is now dividing Turkey, and how in the Ukraine Ukrainians suffer from "Ukrainians" and "Russians" the same fate, being divided, and of having their Identities as Individuals usurped from them.
But, i am hopeful. Who better than Putin and Erdogan to find a solution; they know the Problem well, they know that from infamy to fame for them comes with a small change of intentions.
2 states is your proposal Mr Tatar what is your proposal on the suggested plan ? Please put in a detailed proposal
The British never granted the right of Self Determination to Cyprus because the Greeks constituted 82% of the population and wanted to unite with Greece. To appease Turkey and secure their bases they came up with the most unworkable Constitution in the 1960s as a precursor to the division of the island...
Cyprus shot itself on the foot. The Greek speaking Cypriots fell for the crap idea of the “Megali Idea”. How in the world did the government of Monarco Fascist in Athens, think a military powerhouse, Turkey would just watch their compatriots being slaughtered, and not intervene?
17:50 - So what? Canada shares an UNINHABITED island with British Columbia
Kudos Mr Kakouris 👏
Greek bloke you had plenty of chances at the table but you wanted it all it ain’t gonna happen the EU got no power over Türkiye and one two state solution left and Turkish troops WILL stay if you Greeks were not greedy and genocidal this may never had happened
Greece invaded Cyprus first by overthrowing president Makarios, paving the way for Enosis, union of Cyprus with Greece.
Suggest you start getting educating from facts, and not from the classic Turkish dark propaganda sources. The coup was against makarios and his people NOT against turkish cypriots as turkey incorrectly claims and use as ground to implement its long dated dirty plans which were to illegally invade and occupy the cyprus territory. Turkey is NOT in cyprus to “protect” TCs but to use this territory for their OWN interests..
@@johnmckinzie3925that is facts
But , that coup against Makarios, by Greece , was NEVER been donned in the name of ENOSIS .
Greece, that time was under military junta , ..and of what it does , was by the coup , against the loyal government of that time ,to open the door / gives the legal chance to Turkey , for to invade ..
@@andrigeogiou8420 unfortunately it was the Cypriots that suffered because of the actions of their “motherlands”
@@andrigeogiou8420 Can you give a guarantee that Greece will not invade Cyprus? You cannot justify yourself by blaming the Greek military junta. Is it happened? Yes, happened. Period.
Is this guy really believe that we are going to give our 37% of our country to turkey?
Politicians must give realistic solutions. This guy must leave politics.
If someone invaded your house and took 1/3 of the square footage, would you be willing to officially accept the division of the house so that the intruders could establish legitimate rights over what they had stolen? Of course not; that is what a two-state solution provides. Reunification is about both Greek and Turkish Cypriots acknowledging their Cypriot identity above everything else - this means the incorporation of all under the Republic of Cyprus without the continuous threat of Turkey as a foreign state actor. Turkey has no part to play in the future of the Republic of Cyprus; the only thing they guarantee is uncertainty and the continuation of instability along with political mischief.
That is such an deep insight into the issue and I oresume like myself that you are a Cypriot as it takes one to have such an opinion in the first place. Great Analogy
Shouldn’t have started it mate
Mehmet shut that mouth !
47:04 Ken has right. Try something new to get a solution. Einstein said “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing yet expecting different results.” :)
Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan
The difference is that Cyprus is a UN Member State whereas Kurdistan is not.
Kudos to Mr Kakouris 👏
Imagine how it is for a small country to have Turkey as a neighbour. Change your place of residence or not?
Go and live in greece
@@kazali8950 Go to the Steppes
Of course, and this can happen.
Cyprus,
Is a full member of EU.
IF..
Even the 1/3 from all those measures we all follow against Russia, supporting Ukraine on its struggle for freedom, wil gonna be taken, and against Turkey, supporting Cyprus on its similar struggle.
The island could be been free
FREE...
Ian Dale you are very biased against our president Ersin Tatar, the Turkish Cypriots deserve recognition after more than 50 years of isolation. Please look into the islands history and try to understand the Turkish Cypriot point of view before making comments which affend us all.
Get educated with facts. Isolation? Hahaha....some facts: turkish cypriots live in stolen properties, have EU passport without paying even 1 cent tax, they enjoy a number of benefits from the officially internationally recognised RoC and yet they are crying about their “suffering” from greek cypriots...😂
Occupied! Not divided..
Well...my opinion is : that it can been done if both people are wished & are serious about it , yes it's possible because had learned from the past mistakes which cost bad blood in both sides !!! But I think that the time has not come yet for the people as a whole to reached that political decision !!! Although in history exists a small example of people ' s will power determination even in a small scale but very important !!! Helvetia which is located almost in the heart of Europe give us this example !!! The country is divided in sections which depends upon the different nationalities of her people : German/ French/ Italian !!! However in spite of that all the sections operate practically as a whole united in one skeleton and this decisive political transformation success occurred under the leadership of the Greek politician Kapodistrias & already existed a statue of him in the capital which constructed & placed in there as gratitude by the people to thank him for his effort !!! If I remembered well Kapodistrias works for a time for Alexander of Russia then became the first governor of Greece after the revolution of 1821 but had bad end because he was assassinated !!!
Well, it seems that the only viable solution is two sovereign countries operating side by side, taking care of their own people, and their own problems. Inevitably, that would bring a harmonic cooperation between them. I hope the British will notice it and (this time) do what is right.
Kurdish can have their country and operate side by side with Turkey, but Turkish people don't want that, do they?
Good point But...why turkey does not allow the creation of the well deserved nation Kurdistan. The only solution to Kurdish - Turkish problem is partition of turkey too.
Are you aware that the british during the anan plan, had the right to re-drawn their own borders for their bases?? Which meant creating an eez, teritorial waters. But at tge same time making them smaller, but granding such rights were outrageous. Yes i hope the british do whats right
@@KavlosteMeViagra this is a totally different situation to the one of Cyprus … the Turks are not there to ethnically clens the Kurds… the problem comes when the Greeks have junta, the Greeks came to make enosis. The Turkish came to protect the Turks. The Greek Cypriots we’re fighting against greeks!!! And then it turned to Turks vs Greece and you expect Turkey not to protect its own people from enosis?
They were openly saying this… they wanted the island to be Greek. The banished Cypriot leader makarios was begging the guarantor powers to intervene!
This is the most negative person , you should of take an interview.
Actually, through him, we can realise what will happen IF the island reunites
Look at the difference between the greek and the turk talking ,the greeks' education is on a different level
Not only the level of talk but also the context as well as the attitude.
So, Hitler had well educated scientists, well education does not make them right. Pears and apples guys. :)
@@phk1959always bigging yourselves up but we still got 40percent of Cyprus
@kazali8950 and a 100% of Turkey
@@kazali8950 that is not recognised
There is no South and North Cyprus. There is only the Republic Cyprus. Also Greek-Cypriot comprise the 81% of the total population in Cyprus and the Turkish-Cypriots 18%. He's full of lies.
There are cypriot christians and muslims not turks. Othoman empire through taxing christians converted cypriot populations to muslims but not turks. The settlers from turkey under international law are illigally there and such change of population is crime against humanity.
The greek says you have the groceries next to the halal butcher and you wouldn't know which is which.
Er I think its pretty obvious which is which as the halal butcher isn't going to be Greek.
A confederation might have the best chance in Cyprus. Each part to have their own government.
Unity both sides no Turkish troops no greek troops no English troops no quaranto countries European Union United nations to keep security. One country one united Cyprus the only recognised Republic since 1960.
Security for the Turkish Cypriots from the EU! No chance l! When Turkey joins the EU then we Turkish Cypriots will consider it!!
42:25 - LOL Read the treatyof guarantee article ONE. You can't talk about laws applicable to Cyprus
actually no. Article one states that intervention only allowed for sole purpose of restoring the integrity of the republic. Turkey's actions and stated goals clearly violate this (which is why every country on earth considers the invasion illegal). Not to mention that article 1 doesn't even apply to the second wave (august) invasion.
IF, Turkey had the right to interfere after the coup against the island loyal government , as a quarantor powers . Was just for to re establishe that loyal government of the island .
RE ESTABLISHE and for sure NOT to ..occupying still the half almost of the island
Cyprus is Cypriot. There is no 'Turkish' or 'Greek' bit.
There's not a nation called cypriot and Cyprus island only belongs to Turks.
Thank you Turkiye for saving Turkish Cypriots from a genocide in the hands of Greek Zealots.
Greeks have been on the island thousands of years and the ottomans came 400 years ago do the maths
Unless there are enforceable protections to prevent the greek Cypriots from exterminating the Turkish cypriots, namely equal representation, the Turkish protection force will need to stay in place.
Mr Tatar is totally ignoring the parameters set by the United Nations and international law.
oh yeah? Read the treaty of guarantee article one.
He is trying to be the voice of turkish cypriots. If he is not do something nobody will say come let's make an agreement together. Everything has been tried. Problem cannot be solved for more than 50 years, patience has run out.
@@zolo8447 same for turkish and kurds problem. Patience has run out, the only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of kurdistan.
@@johnmckinzie3925 the topic is not kurds and turkey, I think you are confused or didn't watch it. Watch the whole video I recommend you. there is no kurd problem in turkey they are living together without BORDER. They have party in parliament too (HDP) It's obvious you're here to create a perception operation. You are posting same things hundreds of times I can see. You are trying to say I m here 👏🏻
@@zolo8447 yes, but the argument that “cyprus cannot be united” is not valid. My point is that the turkish fascists keep saying that greeks and turkish cypriots cannot live together while the “borders” are open for more than 15 years now and there are lots of turkish and greeks visiting each site (and some of them are working too) without any issue. So why not unite cyprus?? This cyprus issue is in either way similar with turks - kurds issue...why turkey did not respect the Kurdish referendum for a free independent state Kurdistan and instead it illegally invaded (again) the areas where Kurds live committing another genocide (again)?
"President" What a joke! 😃
HE SPEAKS ENGLISH WITH GREEK CYPRIOT ACCENT. HE IS NOT TURK. HE MUST BE MUSLIM CYPRIOT OF GREEK ORIGIN. DONT BE GENISARY.
YOU ARE GREEK TOO.
Cypriot Greeks and Cypriot Turks have the same accent. You can also approach the same matter from a Cypriot Turkish point by finding, then, all the Cypriot Greeks as original Turks, but converted Orthodox...
There will talks only when Turkish side is accepted as a sequel partner,
I mean Turkish Republic North Cyprus
Not recognised, doesn't exist.
43:56 that's the real history, who do you think you're to try and change history?
Basically turkey used the same excuses that putin did to invade ukraine
Absolutely incorrect.
Background and Context
Cyprus, an island nation in the Eastern Mediterranean, has a complex history marked by its strategic importance and diverse population, primarily comprising Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. The island was a British colony until it gained independence in 1960. The new constitution established a power-sharing arrangement between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, but tensions soon arose.
The Makarios Presidency
Archbishop Makarios III became the first President of independent Cyprus. Although initially a proponent of enosis (union with Greece), he later adopted a more moderate stance, advocating for Cypriot independence to balance the interests of both Greek and Turkish Cypriots. His leadership, however, faced opposition from both the far-right nationalist EOKA B and Turkish Cypriot factions.
Rising Tensions
Throughout the 1960s and early 1970s, intercommunal violence and political strife plagued Cyprus. The Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government in 1963 after a constitutional crisis, leading to increased segregation and the establishment of Turkish Cypriot enclaves. The UN Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) was deployed in 1964 to mitigate violence, but hostilities persisted.
Greek Junta and EOKA B
In 1967, a military junta took control of Greece. The junta supported the enosis movement and EOKA B, a paramilitary organization led by General George Grivas, which sought to achieve union with Greece through violent means. EOKA B's activities included attacks on Turkish Cypriots and clashes with forces loyal to President Makarios.
Deterioration of Relations
President Makarios' efforts to distance himself from the Greek junta and pursue a non-aligned foreign policy further strained relations with Greece. In 1974, he accused the Greek military regime of meddling in Cypriot affairs and called for the removal of Greek officers from the Cypriot National Guard, fearing a coup.
The Coup
On July 15, 1974, the Greek military junta, in conjunction with EOKA B, orchestrated a coup against Makarios. The coup was led by the Cypriot National Guard under the command of Greek officers. Makarios narrowly escaped assassination and fled to Paphos, then abroad, leaving Nicos Sampson, a notorious enosis advocate and former EOKA member, as the new president.
Immediate Aftermath
The coup provoked a swift and severe reaction from Turkey, which invoked its rights as a guarantor power under the Treaty of Guarantee (1960). Fearing the persecution of Turkish Cypriots and the potential for enosis, Turkey launched a military intervention on July 20, 1974. The invasion led to the occupation of the northern part of the island, resulting in significant displacement and casualties.
Conclusion
Greeks use the same argument with Putin who says there was never Ukraine and it was always Russian. Greeks say Cyprus was always Greek ...
Turkiye didn't use any excuses because Turkiye saved her people from fasict and rasict greek cypriots in 1974..
cyprus is turkish from 1570 say no more
A classmate from Albania as a Greek descendant told me Cyprus was never Turkish in the history. I think our Greek neighbors make their mistake here. The history does not decide how we should live today. Like Putin in his interview with an American journalist says “there was never a Ukraine in the history”. And the American journalist was constantly questioning, “But Mr.Putin, what is the relation of these events with the today war?” Or Pashinyan of Armenia was saying 3,000 ago it was an Armanian land when he was interviewed in the Hard Talk on BBC and the moderator was questioning saying that But Mr Pashinyan it is today recognized by UN as Azerbaijani land. Or China ´s Xi does not accept Thailand again decorating his view by departing from the history.
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There was a state of the Rebuplic of Cyprus and Greece, Türkiye, UK came together and established this find new state. Our Greek neighbors departed from their history school books and lived on another dream. They would just accept what they had already accepted in 1960 and we would live in a harmony today.
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I am a Cypriot Turk and my mother ´s big family managed to run away from the massacre in the Bloody Noel in December 1963 the last minute in the middle of the night. She told me only those who had a run away car managed to escape. The other neighbors of them were machined-gunned as babies, kids, women, servants at home that time, but any body and every body. While running away, the last minute, one of my uncles pushed our new born cousin underneath a sofa thinking that we are gonna be slaughtered here at least this baby could survive. They could not choose the regular road to drive away, but through a farm-field they drove their car with all lights off. But that uncle remembered his baby. They stopped there and my mother left the car with another two cousins, one 3 and the other almost 2 years old, got a shelter in a one-room service building in that farm. My mother told me she found a bank in that room and sat leaning her back against the wall looking towards the direction they came from and with those two small babies under each arm. And the armed Greek militants noticed their presences in that building and they opened a machine gun fire on them. My mother told me she was feeling the bullets bouncing back from the wall behind her, with the sound and with the vibrations. And that night one of those two babies first time talked and said ´Korkuyorum!´in Turkish, means ´I am scared!´. By creeping over the fields, one uncle managed to get in the house back and he took the forgotten baby. It took all night for them to reach safer areas in the further north from where they lived in Lefkosia.
My mother told me more about also how some other families forgot or hid their babies in the houses they left in that night and they talked to UN officers and the UN officers went in these houses following days and brought their babies back.
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That woman together with her three kids, they were machine-gunned in the bathtub where they were hiding in their house, they were just in a walking distance away from the house of my mother’s family in that night.
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For the next 11 years, from 1963 till 1974, every night was like a horror movie for the Turks in the island. Finally, peace invaded the island in 1974 from the North and there is no more massacres.
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I wrote all these things only for one reason: we said Yes to the Annan peace plan in 2004 and the South refused it.
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Today, dominantly, the young generations in South who have never lived with Turks before, they say NO to live together with Turks in the island.
Those in South who had experience to live together with Turks, they say YES to live together with Turks in the island.
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The other way round in North;
Today, dominantly, the young generations in North who have never lived with Greeks before, they say YES to live together with Greeks in the island.
Those in North who had experience to live together with Greeks, they say NO to live together with Greeks in the island.
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There is only one reason behind it: Two counter education mentalities and bitter living past memories. OK, we cannot ask people to forget their memories, but at least we can educate our young generations with a future looking peaceful materials.
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EU asked both sides to remove adverse material against one another from your school books and EU would cover all of the school material.
North said yes and they updated the school materials. South said “No, Our education is not for sale!”
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Before we raise proper generations to live together, it is very difficult to come together and agree on a peace agreement.
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Before come to that point 1974 why genocide in the Turks at
The turks invaded in 1974 therefore they have no claims to be a separate state.You cant have a state within a state.Turkish troops, must leave the island.The U.N must take a strong stance on the turks.A two state solution should be quashed immediately.
There are lots of examples in the world about 2 separated countries in one land..but jorge you are right Cyprus should be one and this could be realized by only leaving Cyprus to it's real owners Turks..
You are not getting enything other than one country ,
If you like go to the Anatolian and we see you like it , Europe yiok as you say
Yiok yiok no Europe for you
Thank you for correctly refering to him as President of Northern Cyprus
The reporter respects the democratic processes even if illegal.
He is not a president he is a pseudo-president that no one recognised him.
and then explaining that it's a republic only recognized by Turkey...
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Have you ever wonder why the illegally occupied territory is not internationally recognised? Get educated with facts!!!
“Tukrey” not “Turkiye”, don’t be ashamed to say it mr fake “president” 😅
Turkish presence on the island stopped genozide against cypriot turks.
Bringing tartar to ur channel shows clearly what kind of fish u wanna fry.... Litering british channel!
If you ask a Turkish Cypriot what they prefer Europe or Anatolia
Its there choice
It is with sorrow i say that the Turkish Cypriots are in Cyorus under the control of the Turk's from Anatolia ,,the term Turkish Cypriots use for the settlres MOULAES
I was in Cyprus prior to 1974 and back then the locals saw themselves first as Cypriots, with no close ties to Greece or Turkey. The language they spoke was not relevant, and all could travel freely anywhere on the island. A bit like the English and the Welsh.
Unity requires that Turkey withdraw all it military forces plus the 200,000+ forced migrants and there descendents from the island. Then Cypriots can reclaim their homes both sides of the DMZ.
As said, why on earth turkey does not get the same sactions as russia while both illegally invaded other countries?
because they didn't invade, why did the british watch in their bases in cyprus and not stop this so called invasion? Why did makarios beg the guarantor powers to intervene?
read the treaty of guarantee article 4, then read about the history of cyprus
@@oliverA4936 read the UN resolutions on cyprus issue
@@deriser_3q363 so as russia, did russia people living in Ukrainian not ask for russian to help them as they were suffering from Ukrainians?
@@johnmckinzie3925 different situation. If America tried to invade Ukraine to make it nato and Russians were dying in Ukraine and Russia came I. To save those Russians in Ukraine, then you can compare. But it’s not…
Excellent work by Dale as who ever justifies the invasion of Turkey in Cyprus justifies the Russian invasion in Ukraine.
It's stupid, and baseless logic; Russians have never been a minority in Ukraine. There was a time when Ukrainians were a minority of Russians. They were massacred and genocided, just like what happened to the Turkish minority in Cyprus.
That's why TRNC president Mr. Tatar says "we will never accept being a minority"; because once it was, and the Greek Cypriots massacred the Turkish Cypriots.
If we were to establish a relationship between the Ukraine Russia incident and the Cyprus incident, we would have to live in a reality where Greece intervened on the island, not Türkiye.
@@mentesIV “ The people's republics of Donbas turned to Russia with a request for help”. There is a 28 min video.
The past is the past tho. As modern 21st century Turks you must accept you history and apologize for the genocide of Assyrians, Greeks and Armenians in 1922 ,withdrawal the 40 000 + troops from Cyprus, remove the huge flag from the mountains of Cyprus that remind us of Fascism and allow the return of 200 000 people to return to their homes.
At the same time as a guarantor of justice and peace you must grant the independence to the Kurds as an example and good gesture.
Exactly. Russia gave the same reason to invade Ukraine as Turkey did to Cyprus. i.e. To "protect" their people living in that country.
@@georgechristou7982 Was the Ukrainian army, and the armed organizations trained and equipped by the Ukrainian state, killing minorities and throwing their dead bodies into the pits they dug? Was Russia one of the guarantors of peace in Ukraine? Did Ukraine commit these massacres for religious unity and to be part of a country bigger than Ukraine?
No?!
Then STFU!
Haha the commentator stated there is a border and the Greek couldn't refute it.
Was British colony 😭😭👽👽😎🤣🤣👺👍
The Turkish Cypriots now are minority in the north Cyprus because Turkey brought almost four times as many migrants. While cultural the Turkish and Greek Cypriots closer between each other than the motherlands
RUBBISH. WHY don't you mention anything about the amount of people that were bought over to Cyprus from Greece. STILL you never like speaking the truth. SHAME on you.
The Greek high Commision really has no idea of the islands history. Greeks and Turks are not just Cypriot, we identify as Turkish Cypriot, different religion, language etc. and yes there is the TRNC and Ersin Tatar is the president..
Why then its not recognised by international community? Because its illegal!
@@johnmckinzie3925 illegal to the Europeans. Soon even Russia may recognise it. I bet you also see Kosovo as illegal
@@kazan2081 not only to europeans but other regions too including USA. I bet you dont know the real history or you read the “history” only from the classic turkish dark propaganda sources
@@kazan2081 yes, Russia the beacon of legality
@@Javelino- Russia is as much a beacon as the violet west.
Same old bollocks from both TC & GC sides. I’m now 56 and this has been going on all my life. I’m half TC and have GC friends. We all think the same - both sides leaders are happy to claim sovereignty over each other and not agree to forget history and start again. The politics on both sides is out dated, and laughable. It’s 2023 FFS !!! Cyprus is a lovely island but it’s not a global power. We’ve had 2 world wars, gulf conflicts and now the nutter Putin. Bored of it all now. Glad I was born and live in England !!!
You sound like an agent for the Greek Cypriots got.
The mind of that person is so much brainwashed... i hope new generations of TC doesn't think like him.
What ..?
What kind of genocide you are talking about..?
1963 , the Turkish Cypriots took the arms against their own state.
Remember ..?
How you think , the Turkey's state deals with the Kurdish of PKK ?
..Does it give them ..chocolates ?.
Turks always wanted partition......
Ahh I see and the Greeks never cried for Enosis right?
All a lie of them turcos?
@@serdarvonphototours4u We did. However, most Greek Cypriots realised that this would have meant partition and voted for an independent and importantly non aligned state. That is why EOKA B came into existance and carried out acts of violence against the government.
Now the truth is that both Greek, and Turkish Cypriots have suffered and there is no doubt about this.
The Cyprus issue goes beyond the two communities and the fact that Cyprus nowdays is pivotal in any operations carried out in the Middle East gives an indication of this.
@@Agamemnon1002 It is quite amazing that you didn’t mention a word about the atrocities of the EOKA against the Turkish Minority on the Island mate!?
I wonder why that is?
You pretend as if everything was smiles and roses . One comes to think that Cyprus and the Cypriots are victims no?
Victims of EOKA and the Turks of course…
We remember well the pictures of our brothers and sisters massacred by greek Cypriots shot to death with their kids in their arms in Bathtubs.
No you people can’t be trusted.
You don’t want to see nor do you want to hear.
There are many who talk with reverence about Nikos Sampson and the Officers of the Greek Junta in Cyprus.
I know what I am talking about I have visited Cyprus in the past.
I have been to Turkish Cyprus and the Turkish Cypriots seem to fear the Greek Cypriots.
Really? is that why over 2000 of them live or work in the South?
@@Agamemnon1002 its not a personal thing. But ambitions, threats, policies ! None can obtain any result. with a simple standing we can paralize all these antiTurk plans.
I disagree with the TV presenter, what is happening is similar to what is happening in Palestine and Israel in terms of rhetoric; Israel wants the rights of the Israelis to be respected, Palestine does not recognize the Israelis (even though this contradicts reality) and wants them to leave.
It is wrong to use rhetoric that still justifies southern Cyprus after the Annan Plan, and ironic to see the Turks as occupiers. The promises made with the Annan Plan were not kept. The West humiliated the TRNC, deceived the Turkish Cypriots, and increased the stress on the Turkish Cypriots by allowing southern Cyprus to unilaterally join the EU.
There are those who want to turn the EU into a crusader club (especially France.) The most important conditions for admission to the EU are minority rights and no border problems, the southern Cyprus has both of these. There are no EU membership conditions that Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Southern Cyprus, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Ireland, etc. can meet but Türkiye and Northern Cyprus cannot. The problem has always been religion, and as long as the parties that are supposed to offer a solution to the problem look at religion, it is impossible to find a solution.
The Turks in Türkiye and the Turks in Cyprus, unlike the western European countries, have a history and culture that believes that all religions can live together in harmony, which makes them naive. The Annan Plan was an evil plan, hypocritical and full of lies! The people of Türkiye and Northern Cyprus were deceived by the Annan Plan. This ugly act was organized together with the UN.
It is no secret that the moment the Turkish military force withdraws from the island, southern Cyprus will attack again and mass graves of Turkish Cypriots will start to be found on the island again. I'm sure, greece and south cyprus intelligence has a name list in their hand, list of things to be "eliminated".
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After 50 years, Imposing a "solution" of a single state on a people who have previously lived under a single state and have been massacred is a call for new massacre!
There’s no Southern Cyprus, there’s the legal Republic of Cyprus and then the occupied areas comprising an illegal state which is the puppet state of the invaders.
Do you know how many mass graves of GC were found? Plenty.
The only aggressors in the island are the invaders.
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and its ok that mass graves of Cypriots are found at the occupied side?
@@koullis9695 Where?
@@mentesIV Well one of them is Massacres of the people of Asha in 1974 83-84 people, by the Turkish army. their bodies where moved to a landfill in Dikomo. their bodies were thrown initially into wells. there are over 1k missing Cypriots and the north is not giving access to dig them up. also the Turkish army has deliberately tampered with the graves (based on science not speculations). Yes during the invasion the Greeks killed Turkish Cypriots too but the fact that you say where? it shows how little you care.
Well, the situation is like Israel, where Israel is the legal country and Palestinians are those not recognised by the international community, but trying to create their own country by taking a piece from Israel. So, this is what Mr Tatar and his supporters are trying to do in Cyprus, to take a piece of a country and make it their own.
Now let's talk about the rest. The Annan plan was a totally unrealistic plan which would lead to disaster. Next, if Turkey isn't occupying Cyprus, what else is the army doing in the north? Mr Tatar is humiliating the Turkish Cypriots by suggesting a two-state solution, when we already know that Cyprus joined the EU as one undivided country and not as a Greek-Cypriot state.
It is no secret that Turkey keeps the army in the north out of self-interest and not because they want to protect anybody. They only need power and natural gas. We are not in 1974 now, and many Greek Cypriots travel to the north for tourism. But you see the propaganda is so big that some people never listen to common sense.
An illegal occupation and invasion. Exo I dourki abo din kibro!
Screw British point of view……
Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan
Same with the long dated Kurdish vs Turkey problem. It is a fact that Kurds and turkish cannot live together. The only solution is partition of turkey and the creation of Kurdistan