Why Most AAA Games Have No Soul
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2023
- What happened to the AAA studios we used to love? Until Elden Ring came out, recent AAA releases were all soulless copy & pasted games. But despite being such a breath of fresh air, Elden Ring caused a mountain of controversy. Why were so many AAA developers and fans angry at Elden Ring's success? Well, it has to do with why so many AAA games lost their 'soul'.
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Does Nintendo count? I have so many memories of me in my basement playing on my parents' old NES and Gameboy. Too bad every time I want a Nintendo game, like Splatoon 3, I gotta pay 60 dollars. Which is why I don't play AAA games...
I used to be a fan of NFS back when they released Need for Speed Underground. I felt underwhelmed with most of their releases since the reboot the series went through.
@@ferretyoutuber4694 Nintendo is so anti consumer. Their games rarely go on sale if ever, Zelda remaster from years ago is $60. Their recent releases are incomplete as well so they get your money early. Later on, they add the rest of the game and disguise them as "free title updates".
Mine used to be Ubisoft. I sunk almost 2000hrs into Siege and loved almost all of it. Now the game kinda died down, but we'll see. I sincerely hope they come back.
Blizzard, Ubisoft,... they all started to become bad in 2014-15. Like every Triple AAA Studio started to become bad there. Idk what happened there.
Maybe Bethesda will also get like this. They didnt really release a Game since 2014-15. (Fallout76 was made to make the companys worth higher and then they sold the company...) But I hope Starfield and/or TES 6 are not soulless trash aswell. It would be the last Triple AAA company I have good memories about. Skyrim, Fallout 4, if they are gone bad Triple AAA is doomed for good.
Another thing that Elden Ring has going for it is the cost to play, you pay $60 and get access to everything. There's no store for microtransactions, no cash grab, it's a game that doesn't limit you based on how much money you are willing to pay. Most AAA developers now have a store integrated into their games with most of the content coming from paying extra.
Unfortunately many gamers select to pay for microtransactions. Most studios make games infested with microtransactions, because there are people who spend their money on microtransactions.
Similarly, studios make the same kind of game again and again, because many gamers buy the same game again and again.
Perhaps most AAA studios will keep the same strategy, and obviously, Elden Ring is an exception, at least for now. But let's hope that we will see more games like Elden Ring in the future.
I Think he pointed that out...
Elden Ring by Ubisoft:
$60 base game, $25 for "Age of stars" DLC featuring huge underground areas, $10 for Mt Gelmir and Volcano manor, $10 for Caelid and Radahn, $10 for crumbling farum azula, $20 for mountaintops and haligtree. $5 for each stonesword key, base game comes with two. Oh forgot, $20 for multiplayer and the invasion/summon items are sold in store :)
@@AthanasiosJapan it is me, I'm the one who buys the same game over and over (Far Cry).
Lol you’re talking like Fromsoft is the only games developer
“doesnt matter the genre, as long as its good” is a sentiment I apply to literally every game
True that. I use hate fighting games till I fell in love with street fighter VI and guilty gear
I apply it to fucking everything. Especially movies.
Try Factorio. For real, try this game. This is one of the best game I have ever play and I also have the sentiment „doesn’t matter the genre as long as it’s good”. Maybe Factorio isn’t AAA but it is masterpiece.
elden ring is prob the most beautiful and accessible game ever made - its freedom sets it apart from anything else. it doesn't sit with skyrim, zelda, gta5 ... it sits above them.
@@stevenmaswabi-zz9kt same bro, i always didnt like fighting games because they are so conplicated to play but i LOVE skullgirls 2nd encore and skullgirls in general. A change of heart just for a single game
- it’s a completed game
- it worked on launch day (something so many games fail to do)
- it offers a challenging and rewarding experience
- it progressively ramps up the difficulty instead of handing everything to you
- you can play the game anyway you want, that includes what type of character and play style you want to build
- you aren’t restricted to a linear path that triggers cutscenes and quick time events like so many other triple A games
- there wasn’t any shameless money grubbing tactics like pre order bonuses, seasons pass, battle pass, in game store, etc
- there’s no divisive politics or political statements shoved in
- it’s a GAME, and not a MOVIE, like so many triple A games want to be
If this game was created by almost any other studio the map would’ve had some end game areas locked behind a pay wall/seasons pass, there would be some in game store where you can buy runes with real money and there would be cosmetic flashy armour locked behind pay walls, pre order bonuses and special editions. This developer didn’t do any of that, and instead they just focused on making a FUN COMPLETED game, and that is a very rare thing in this day and age
You made amazing points. Especially the last one. Companies trying to install movie into games, okay its cool but how about some gameplay!
This happens when you get a developer like Miyazaki who only wants to make games that he knows he would play. The only reason he doesn't play his own games is because he knows all of the secrets and tricks, so it would feel boring to him.
I like linear games so much, I was grown up with them
"you can play the game any way you want"
*Streamer no hit run Elden Ring using voice command 😂
It still amazes me the stuff like how many unique weapons and armour there are like I’m still discovering new ones. feels like a really rare thing to see another person using something really cool in a game and actually being able to go get it yourself without paying for it or getting a dlc which is a very sad thing to be excited isn’t common in gaming anymore
My input as someone who has worked in game development for the better part of 40 years: The issue is big studios rushing games out and relying on pure nostalgia to carry the game. On the other hand, private or smaller studios don't have massive legacies to build on and don't have such harsh deadlines or shareholders breathing down their neck as much. They're free.
I agree, it’s such a shame that companies that become Titans ; EA, Ubisoft etc, basically turns into something more of an economic enterprise than a video game company. They have so much stakeholders and investors that they focus more on the money, essentially pushing out a product instead of an experience. I love indie games simply because you can feel the passion and love developers have, though one can attribute that to what you said about building a legacy. However, this begs the question, how can companies like Fromsoft exist then? They have a massive legacy, yet they still put out such a wonderful experience like Bloodborne, sekiro and Elden ring. They don’t compromise on quality or gameplay, and delivers a cinematic masterpiece every AAA company dream they could ever produce
Example: team cherry, it's the small company that made hollow knight.
@@lamecatto1057 then it is clear what we as gamers have to do, stop buying ALL games from big companies up to the point where investors dont think this is a good business anymore and leave the market. Only at that point can the studio be free people again.
The real reason companies like FromSoftware maintain their soul is because they have managed to stay private instead of being publicly traded. It would be the biggest red flag for me if FromSoftware went public all of a sudden, because then nothing would matter for them except maximizing as much profit for shareholders as they can. The stock market is the cancer of the entertainment industry.
Absolutely right. Once your company is publicly traded, the execs stock options go up and down in worth in proportion to what their quarterly income statements say, so that is the only thing they will focus on. Privately owned, you don't have that same pressure to maximize income at all costs, and you can build sustainable business.
The stock market is the cancer.
FTFY.
You are talking about the company that deliberately left their Dark Souls servers offline for a very long time to increase sales of Elden Ring. They put the r into soul on that one and it says a lot about them.
@@-opus Proof?
Yeah too many games have been released unfinished because the studio needed something to present to the Annual Investors Meeting. They're hyper focused on the short term instead of thinking of the long term. They could have delayed their game for a year but they are pressured to release it now to meet the Quarterly Earnings Report. This strategy always backfires because there will be bug compilations within days of release.
I think the reason many game developers are angry at FromSoft and Elden Ring is because: FromSoft are pro consumer. There are no lootboxes and other content you have to pay for, after you have already paid full price for the game. It's the same as if Disney charged full price, while STILL putting out tons of ads. Which should be illegal
They're salty because they can't imagine that simplicity is sometimes worth more than a fancy looking UI with docents of indicators of what to do and what's happening. Seriously as a developer when I've read the news back then I just laughed at all those pathetic wannabes who call themselves devs when in reality they're just big crybabies.
Well from does have dlc but that’s it
"many game developer" .....it was like 3 tweets dude
Who exactly is angry though?
@@MigorRortis Yes. After an already 100% complete game. Which is perfectly fine
It's very weird because none of my coworkers even tried Elden Ring yet they all bashed the game. I don't try to talk about video games with them anymore, they have no clue of what they're missing
Do they play Fifa or COD by chance?
@@OnMyLunchBreak07that’s exactly it, I’m a casual gamer and I don’t really like fantasy (nerdy) rpg d&d looking games except for Skyrim and Witcher 3. My hesitation to try this game is that it looks like a repetitive level up/grind game with nothing else to do but farm for xp. I wouldn’t bash a game without trying it but I think the lack of appeal for the game from casual gamers is lack of variety of stuff to do- the lore alone don’t excite casual gamers unless your heavy into fantasy stuff
@@keenynthewiseThe game is everything but grindy. But play what you like, that is all that matters
@@keenynthewise it's a combat oriented game, so everything you do in there has to do with combat. Fromsoft games, in my opinion, have the best combat out of any big budget studio and if you're into that, i assure you it'll be very worth it.
My 1st Elden Ring playthrough is my best gaming experience so far. I felt like a kid again where I feel totally immersed inside the game. Exploring the lands between for the first time is magical. Still remember how terrified I was when I stumble into Caelid but excited at the same time to see what the area offers. What a game. I am so hyped for the dlc.
Same probably my favorite game I've played since a child tbh.
I ve had ER as my fav until I played BG3. Both absolutely goated games that wrecked the gaming industry.
Aaaand the dlc comes out on June 21st, can't wait man. I usually don't preorder games but i know i can trust fromsoft with my life so i just finished preordering it.
I started to play Elden Ring 5 days ago and I am overwhelmed by the game. The diversity how can you develop your character alone makes it a great game, not to mention how the world feels more alive then most other rpgs. The only rpg that gave me that feeling before Elden Ring was Witcher 3, but Elden Ring surpases it.
I cracked a joke when my friend died in elden ring and lost all of his runes pretty early on, and I said “would you like to purchase 5,000 runes for $3.99?” and we started dying laughing
CAPCOM: I like that idea
Worst part, you aren't exaggerating
Ppl did sell runes and equipments online lol.
@@lxNOLUCA there for a while I did free rune and item dupes. Though I have since lost internet, sadly.
@Hello everyone My name is Wenbo. why kill a bird for ten hours when you can pay a chump 5 bucks for the same amount of runes lol
The funniest thing is that, if you're already a Souls fan, you can clearly see Elden Ring reusing a lot of aspects of the same dark souls formula, that honestly starts to get old. But it still looks far more original and anti-formula than all the other big games that are released today, because of how bad that AAA formula has become. Quite the irony that the most overformulaic souls game is still far more original than the vast majority of videogames made today.
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idk, I loved elden ring but think old stuff IS starting to get old, they need a whole revamp on combat system for example, and give some love to old heavy builds, not DS1 broken but think they're a bit pointless rn
@@johjoh9270 That's because you don't know how to build tank, ER probably has the most viable tank builds in any of these games.
I have faith that from will actually innovate on their formula far more, while they're not a small studio, they're not huge either, with their manpower, I found the reused animation and such to be far more acceptable, hopefully with the money elden ring made them they can be more risky when it comes to those things aswell
i feel like the old stuff is iconic at this point with patches, basilisks, and hollows i always love seeing them
The epicness, the scenery, the art style, the boss battle...Elden Ring delivered an experience you wish you could forget so you could enjoy it all over agian, it minds me of Monster Hunter 2 Dos on PS2, took me days or even weeks to finish the entry level, and things gets so much better onwards, it's just so much fun if you are willing to invest your time and take on an adventure.
@@vidicul9109where tf did he say that it was a great experience for everyone? Just cause its not a game for everyone doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Don't get sore over a game not being for you lol.
@@vidicul9109bro couldnt get past margit
@@vidicul910936 year old man wearing pee pee diapers take
@@shikiav bro got his foolish ambition to rest 😂
So glad that FromSoft has it success story! Not just because they create awesome games. But a testament for other developers/studios to study and to re-think what the hell they´re doing. They have been asleep for like a decade now...just pushing out the same formula with a new theme. Change has always been painful.
things won't change until people stop buying the reused year after year copies of the same game
Elden Ring actually gave me the feeling that i felt playing games as a kid , it felt genuine and like it actually wanted me to have fun
and i did , 5 times in fact , and im only not playing it cuz of how addictive it can be
You count how many times you have fun when playing a video game ?
@@ihatehandles69420 I had about 7 funs per minute.
All fromsoft games all like that, they give you old school gaming vibes
Elden ring is practically fromsoftware version of elder scrolls series and I love it
@@ihatehandles69420 I think he means he beat it five times. I think
I am so fucking happy that FromSoftware is succeeding - one of the studios to keep looking to stick to solid fundamentals, while experimenting with new genres. Even if you don't like their style, they are at least coming out to say that their games aren't for everyone. I think pure art is one that isn't meant for everyone, but rather, being an expression of a person or group of people's ideas.
yeah the game for not everyone but has summon kek
@Jaguar Ham
It's less about that feature to help those who don't want to approach the "GIT GUD" path, but more of the overall experience of the game. There are players that will not or will never touch a From Software game, even Elden Ring which has more accessibility to play it easier.
Sorry but wha? Elden ring is basically dark soul 4, it uses the same engine and design philosophy of dark souls 3!
The thing i hate the most about elden ring is how much everyone wants to ìgnore his negatives to just focus on the positives; from the same fanbase who cried about how different sekiro was and that it was too hard it's obvius from returns to THEIR same formula
I mean they're coming out with Armored Core VI soon. A mission based mecha game set in a dark dystopian future. These guys follow the beat of their own drum and it's wonderful.
@@fabioviti7384 Actual chad
My favorite game was Child of Light, which was made by a small branch of Ubisoft named Ubisoft Montreal. This game was made as an indie game, passionately and was just gorgeous. (It was the game that gave me the spark to become a game designer) Sadly Ubisoft Montreal closed and the game was shadowed by Far Cry 3 on release.
Nothing small about Ubisoft Montreal. They are still going strong, just making garbage we all hate
I’ll have to check that out. Thank you.
Played it. An actual good Ubisoft game.
Thank you for bringing up all the points and thoughts I have had over AAA-games last decade. I honestly couldn't have said it any better and am glad someone voices our opinions on this platform.
For me, Elden Ring is a Gothic game for the modern era. Organic exploration, unique locations, no handholding, fixed scaling and very satisfying progression. In essence it's an old game in a new skin but that was exactly what we needed in the current hellhole of "AAA" garbage.
Gothic ❤
fuck yea gothic, but its not dead, modders recently released full game in gothic universe. Prequel to Gothic 1 called The Chronicles Of Myrtana: Archolos. What a miracle, they took gothic formula and somehow improved it.
@@Legoldos I did not know about it. Thanks.
Elden ring has satisfying progression... how? More numbers is the only change that happens
@@Saltytomatoe UwU
I will NEVER forget my first steps into the world of Elden Ring as a first time souls player.
OMG, the overwhelming feeling of excitement, joy, fear, and awe.
I was getting killed by everything, A LOT…and loving every second of learning how to be a souls player.
The best part about it, is the world of Souls games that's opened up to you due to it. You can now jump into Bloodborne, Dark Souls, Sekiro and are totally ready. You have what it takes and have some of the best stories and worlds ever put into gaming in front of you.
@@Vespyr_ just beat Elden ring, like, got every weapon in the game, so what souls game do you recommend next?
@@NCSGaming15 If PS4 is available to you, Bloodborne is definitely the way to go if you can. Since you like weapons, the transforming weapons of that game are going to really impress and the music... You'll fall in love with it like everyone else has. While Dark Souls 3 will match your current experience with Elden Ring the closest otherwise, and the bosses are intensely beautiful, it might ruin Elden Ring a bit for you imo cuz they're so well made lol.
I'm of course, very partial to the original Dark Souls since I started from there, but coming from Elden Ring, I think those first two picks would be best. That said some people start right from the beginning after Elden Ring and love it so I won't tell you that you can't. :) It's a beautiful game, and the most genuine of all Souls games ever made.
Sekiro is going to be the most challenging after Bloodborne since both those games are so unique and special, Sekiro has jumping and a sweet grappling hook mechanic and lots of verticality to explore. But the weapon you start with is the same you end with. There's no gear. You get skills but you can't just out level enemies, that said it means it's super balanced. The entire game is designed so you are ready to win any fight from the start. So they don't go easy on you, but you're meant to die in that game. It's in the name. :)
They're all fantastic.
@@Vespyr_ I have a ps4 so I’ll definitely get blood borne once I save up some money, thanks for the suggestions dude!
@@NCSGaming15 bloodborne was my first souls game, it’s still my favorite. I’m always excited when I hear people playing it for the first time. Have fun and remember FEAR THE OLD BLOOD!
personally i find the unspoken lore to be incredibly immersive. I feel like a new soul entering an ancient world uncovering it as a new chracter. the typical force fed basic lore of other games makes them too generic and im not quite as intriged into immersing myself into the game. Elden Ring created the best dark fantasy world I have experienced, with the endless builds helping to make my character really feel like my own unique one of a kind protagonist. i felt as though i was on my own quest that i could own, creating a story that coudlnt be replicated. how my builds changed, the order i explored areas, the order and methods i used to defeat bosses. the game is incredibly replayable also. on top of all this, the dark fantasy setting made this game gritty and cruel. it was a world built to challenge me. it was a world designed to try to crush my ability to perservere to complete the game. because of this, my eventual completion of the game was all the more rewarding, knowing i perservered past all the setbacks, with all the developments to my character, i did what was so difficult, in a gritty cruel game that has ancient mystical lore, i became the elden lord, besting every obstacle in my path. this makes the game my personal favourite game of all time. I love it.
Imo Hollow Knight integrates lore the best, a perfect middle ground between souls and babying
Ubisoft have recently started asking fans what they would like in their latest Ghost Recon game. I suppose a team of data analysts would have to sift through all of this feedback and prioritise the most popular requests. It will be interesting to see how this works out.
To me, it's so funny to see random people and experts have a meltdown when talking about AAA games because they just play trash after trash like first-person shooters and zombies, the most generic boring shit on the market, and then they act surprised when they get scammed.
Dude HOW do people play cod, it has been the same since B02. HOW
@@proddirtneck same reason people have always played cod, its big and popular. It's also a common place for people to begin their journey playing games. I dont play cod games anymore but cod WAW introduced me to fps games and i fell in love with it, i wasnt a long time fan so it wasnt just "another ww2 shooter" to me it was a fun game with a cool setting, then i played cod games up until bo4 because i had lost interest in the games and found other interesting games to play but someone could have the same experience as me with later cod games, someone could have started with bo4 and played each cod game since then.
yeah I'm confused as hell. I mostly play AAA games and probably 90% of the games I played are good games to even masterpieces. People need to widen their horizon.
@@proddirtneck I've never played a single COD game in my life. And I'm pretty sure that's for the best
@@Tekeysix Same.
I'd say From Software games (especially its variations of "souls" games) do have a formula. But a formula where they try to innovate and immerse and challenge the players with every game. They just keep getting better and better at making these games. The few unique outliers from this formula (Sekiro and Bloodborne) were a welcome change and masterpieces on their own.
I think it's the Mario, Sonic, Metroid etc etc etc formula : loosing is fun.
@@pierregravel-primeau702 I mean, it can be. If there isn't challenge, then you may as well just watch a movie, or if you want some interaction, play a walking sim. Both are completely fine if that's what you choose, it's just that most people like challenge to feel as though they've earned an ending or a sense of accomplishment from beating a level. Hollow Knight does this very well. It's difficult, but never unfair, and the sense of gratification for clearing a difficult boss after leveling up a bit, or even just powering through till you beat it is immense.
@@chancefreely exactly this. well said!
@@pierregravel-primeau702 i play games because i want challenge. If i am not loosing and game is not forcing me to think then it's garbage. I drop these types instantly.
I did not even finish the first part of AC brotherhood and blackflag because it was so easy to walk through all the enemy.
On the other hand games like zelda and souls series were pretty engaging with right amount of challenge for the target audience.
@@TheRealGigaCat well you dropped one of the few good AC games tho. Brotherhood and Black Flag but each their own i guess
My friend and I were craving a fun challenging rpg.
Problem is were aren't great at souls game, the only souls type game we've played and beat was Code Vein, so we had to play elden ring together the entire time.
Despite how much the game hates you for playing like that, we had a blast.
The moment a company is no longer private, it's time to jump ship.
When I play a From Software game, I am a respected -- both as a player and as an adult. Demon's Souls and Dark Souls both begin with a short tutorial complete with optional messages to help acclimate players to the controls and mechanics of the game, and then you are thrust into a world with an objective and told "go forth." That's an adventure. Not an open world whose content fundamentally amounts to a series of checklists and an inordinate amount of distance you have to trek between two objectives. You're not being lead around a theme park, but adventuring through and engaging with an interesting world that organically creates feelings of fear, excitement, and triumph. It's able to do this because it trusts that you will take its world seriously, and it trusts that you will take its world seriously because it's a world that treats you like an adult.
Ask anyone who has played through Dark Souls and they'll be able to tell you at *least* one moment that honestly, truly captivated them. They'll be able to recall with vivid detail the feeling of being so far away from safety as they crept through the rotting darkness of Blighttown, or the sense of bewilderment as they were carried high above Sen's Fortress and dropped into the sun-soaked skies of Anor Londo. I guarantee they can still vividly recount the feeling of being very, very far away from safety with a plethora of souls in their possession, praying that they round the next corner and come face to face with a bonfire. Maybe they'll tell you the relief they felt when they boarded that elevator in the Cathedral and emerged far below back in Firelink Shrine. These weren't just things that happened to them in a game, they're thoughts and feelings that they themselves experienced because they became invested in the world that FromSoft had created. And they experienced them because the game's developers had enough faith in themselves and in their playerbase to respect the world they had created.
After playing Demons Souls, the main point of organic fear and triumph is probably the aspect I hate the most.
I play through Demons Souls, go through a level, die, and usually get sent right back to the last sword in the ground. Now I gotta do all that tedium all over again. As someone who only gets to play for an hour a night (because I am an adult with a family, job, and other hobbies) there are some nights where all my gameplay is wasted on dying over and over. I’ve made no meaningful progress.
The bosses are fun, I legitimately like going back to a boss and trying over and over, learning about this enemy. I don’t like playing through an entire level again because I died before a checkpoint. It’s boring.
I beat a boss, and all I could think about was wow, I gotta do all that boring shit again to get to the goods. No.
First time playing, I got past the bridge dragon next to our lord and savior, and I went out a set of tower stairs. I had like 20k souls on me. I keep going up. I hear shuffling of metallic armor. I ready my shield. I get slammed with a giant fuck-all greatsword one shotting me. I cry. I spawn in. I die to a random rat since the last time I sat at a bonfire was fire link. I cry. I do it again
Anor Londo and those two fucking Archers with Greatbows. Argh!
@@anthonymazzeo6123 And think, given time you’ll go back to that metalic shuffling armor enemy with a fuck-all greatsword and absolutely delete him.
@@Qballiz2kool black knights I believe, gotta love them
the fact that you dont have to buy anything to enjoy elden ring up to its fullest makes it amazing . you can do whatever you want with good story and a freedom
There have been so many games like this, in most SP games you can not buy anything besides the game itself and get a full experience, not sure what games you’ve been playing
@@iforgot87872 i have played many games like that. Its just a fact that Elden ring is one of my AAA favourite games.
@@sajintamang1037 Average fromsoft/elden ring fan. There are millions of other games that can give you the same experience (minecraft, ghostwire: tokyo...).
@@lorexmusic1067 read all my comments mate . I have played amazing game other than elden ring , it was my first soul game . But there are lots of other game i have played like that too man . Seems like you dont read shit so dont comment if your judging someone based of that nerd.
@@lorexmusic1067 🤣🤣....
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What do you guys think of the FF series? Granted the name stays the same but they are really different games with each iteration. They could call themselves anything other than FF and would be considered a new IP, albeit somewhat formulatic.
Bloodborne is a masterpiece.
Sekiro is a masterpiece.
Dark souls 3 is a masterpiece.
And Eldenring is a masterpiece.
From Software is such an incredible studio. Without any bullshit micropayment.
To be fair FromSoftware is recycling a formula as well. It’s like the 5th Game in the Souls genre. I think the reason Elden Ring blew up is because it’s an old school traditional video fame. It doesn’t force tutorials, it’s not a live service, it’s not pay to win, there’s no excessive handholding, it’s not trying to be a movie, and the developers respects the player’s intelligence.
Exactly this. Elden ring is JUST a game and gamers miss that feeling. I know I did.
This comment up here is what the video should've been about.
You're downplaying how much heart and soul have been poured into Elden Ring. Look at the world building and architecture of things. Do you not call that the ceiling of modern game design?
they recicle the formula because we, the soulsborne fans want it. We love this type of game, and they don´t just recicle, every game reinvents some major aspect of the game. If they randomly started making car racing games or shooters, and stopped making souls games, the outrage would be enormous
I feel like basically every souls game feels like it's own game, the souls part is the same "lose your souls try to get them back, spend them on Stat progression" but the mechanics of combat, pacing, aesthetic, setting, and feeling I find are pretty different among titles. Like every game kinda has its own thing going for it. Not to mention the games feel like they have been cared for with massive and breathtaking worlds filled with detail and an arsenal of different enemies
The thing with sequels is that they don't really need to reinvent the wheel, just make more of what made the previous games fun. By that I don't mean copy paste, but the From Soft way of building up on what's already there, make more weapons, more magic, more enemies, more moves for old enemies, more mechanics...
With many modern games it feels like the same game again and sometimes you get less instead of more.
Fr. Elden Ring isn’t beloved because it’s “dark souls but open world and horse” like I’m not even very far into it but they just have some absolutely BONKERS new enemy design like the giant crabs, the birds in Godrick’s castle, and literally just anything Caelid. I’ve never wanted to hear how an enemy like the birds got created so bad. Like what lunatic at fromsoft was like “okay, it’s a hawk, BUT, we stick swords to it’s talons. BUT WAIT, then we also give them explosive barrels to throw at the player” like I’ve never had a triple A game invoke a moment where I was stunned by the absurdity of their creative game design even close to that
@@jgilly223 u mean the prawns? crabs were there in dark souls 3 :P
Also Lore. Lore is always great in Fromsoft games and Dark Souls Lore was built throughout all 3 games.
@@jgilly223 Pretty sure Elden Ring is actually just beloved because it's Dark Souls 4. At least to the actual fans, and the veteran players. To the common player, I'm sure they either just got it because the hype or because their friend or something got it as well. There's not much that Elden Ring does that's really that impressive compared to the other games, or even to just other open world games really.
As great as dark souls 2 and 3 are, they were clearly not intended to be made. 2's development was hell, and 3 was made mostly to clean up the mess 2 left behind (in terms of lore, at least).
Another example of the 80/20 rule is facepunch studios with rust, they get some time every once in a while to flesh out an idea they enjoy and it generally has good feedback from the audience
I think your take on the current condition of this, our beloved industry, is right on the money, man. I think you bring up some points that I hadn't considered, and frankly I haven't heard anybody else submit. Good video.
Even i played Elden Ring and i never touched a souls game before. The ammount of failure i had was quite a different experience. And after i started to get gud to overcome those challenges i felt very satisfied.
Elden Ring felt like a game from my childhood - not knowing what to do next and just trying anyway to see where it leads.
Their open world design is the best i have ever seen, exploring actually felt like exploring not trying to hunt for icons on the radar lol
Yeah, elden ring was one of my favourite gaming experiences and also my first souls game!
Make sure to try Dark Souls 3 and 1!
dark soul 2 which gets a lot of hate is still an 8/10.
"Their open world design is the best i have ever seen"
What an embarrassing thing to say. Found the new gamer.
@@Digger-Nick it is good though, maybe not the best but one of the best
When I first played the game (excluding the insane difficulty wake-up slap), I was underwhelmed by how small the map was. But when I found out it grew bigger as you progressed, I was quite impressed.
My jaw dropped to the floor when I discovered the purple-ish underground world.
The game is pretty fun to play if you're tough skinned.
You could've seen the map was bigger if you had some frontal lobe development and discovered fire
@@Kronos0999 not being an ass is easy, and yet you still failed to do that.
@@Kronos0999 There was no need to be rude about it...
@@Mysteriums68No need to be nice either.
@@Kronos0999wow man . Relax
I read alot of books about youtube. how tell a great story, great title, thumbnail, and content and this guy delivered that package right through in every viewer's heart. Your amazing, I hope I can collab with this kind of people
Well, the entire game industry reminds me of how Nintendo tried new thing in their flagship games and new consoles. Some of them sunk, some of them raised but overall it allows it to push forward.
that's why I like indie games. You can feel the love that went into them
Rain World definitely comes to mind, love it so much.
@@xQc_Enjoyer777 ever played "One dreamer"?
Yeah... i feel the love alright
Devolver digital helped many indie studios and these games are really cool whether the are short or require hundreds of hours played
hotline miami
The pareto principal is a very interesting idea. I love that you actually provided a solution instead of just ranting, showing how a game like Fortnite was a result of that.
Jordan peterson brought me to this distribution lol
This principle is not a law and shouldn't be taken as serious data or something. It's not even a principle, for that matter, more of a tool for blind guesstimation.
@@madeline6951 it’s been debunked countless times. I don’t know why people need to keep referring to this discredited principle instead of just offering some nuanced insight.
@@chrisperez3614 because using a shortcut, while sounding profound, is easy
I was an avid video gamer since I was a kid. But in the last 10 years I got more and more bored and saw the games only as slot machines, money investments, etc.. I lacked the spirit and thought, hey that's what today's generation wants, mobile games with better visuals on console or computer. Dark Souls got me back on board and I thought wooww.... thats the spirit! I felt like I was back in my old days where you really had to do something in games and not get everything for free on time or money. I was hooked and totally infatuated with the game like I haven't been in a game in a very very long time. The big studios have unfortunately forgotten one thing... to inspire the player and respond to him. They think they can get away with marketing and the consumer zombies will eat it up. And if the current generation doesn't eat it anymore... well, new gamers come along every day, they'll eat it up. Elden Ring (and all other FromSoftware games) were totally refreshing and exciting for me. I want more of fresh ideas and risks. Yes, game development is a risk, but you can minimize that by listening to your customers. What do they want, what are they interested in, what do they like less. Instead, I get the feeling that they prefer to keep Excel statistics with sales by age group, campaign and country. I am not stingy and like to spend money if the value fits.
FromSoft could rely on their current success and make another soulsborne game with a linear or a tangled set of dungeons around a hub area like Firelink Shrine. But they decided to take a fresh start, make a different game with a massive open world. Everything is new, area bosses, dungeons, relatively brighter story than gothic style of Dark Souls. I don't know what assistance they took from out for such drastic technical changes, but for storytelling they worked with one of the best, and did a perfect job on world building. They kept the classic Dark Souls experiment but added more features with Ashes of War and vast range of magic.
When you play a Ubisoft game, say an Assassin's Creed, let's say you are at top of a roof. Game clearly tells you there are 2-3 different spots you can climb-jump from there and you just rotate the camera to either and character jumps for you. In Elden Ring, it says "Here's a steep cliff, you have this HP and according to your load weight, you will take this damage if you drop higher than this." and you try to get down with 360 degree optional directions to jump, and when you get down there, you feel like you yourself did it.
I couldn’t really get into Elden Ring but I really do recognize how much it shook up in the gaming industry and appreciate the impact it’s had.
@@Matanumi Tears of the Kingdom didn't have a set release date until recently and it had a long period of radio silence which was included the team having to shift their work environments due to lockdown.
It's one of the most beautiful games I've ever been privileged to play.
I don't enjoy Elden Ring as much as their other works. It's far worse than Dark Souls or Bloodborne imo. But it's still From Software through and through.
I wasnt able to get into elden ring either at first but i picked it up 2 months ago and i beat it 5 times
I couldn’t at first either but like the post above says, gave it a try months later … beat it 9 TIMES!!!! Level 403 . A guide for the beginning is everything.
In my work as a QA Analyst at EA Games (my apologies to the human race), and at Tuxedo Labs, working on Teardown, I can tell you that less than half of game testing is about making sure things work right. The rest is all in trying to play the game wrong, not by breaking the rules, but to try to find the ways the rules are already broken. I'd always try to do all the weirdest things I could think of, to try to anticipate what sort of bizarre things players might try - so I'd try those things myself first, see if anything goes wrong, submit a bug report, and if I'm working at EA Games, know in advance that I was wasting my time because EA didn't bother fixing the bugs unless said bugs would interfere with their ability to sell the game. Company reputation irrelevant. Player enjoyment irrelevant. Pride in putting out a quality product: irrelevant. Maximizing income: the ONLY thing that's relevant to them.
It's soul crushing to work at EA.
Nah bro dont be sorry, everybody has to make a living for themselves one way or another
Yeah but making sub par AAA titles is not the path to heaven.
holy shit
I'm a new trained QA Engineer and I'm now looking to get into game testing, what advice would give me
@@andrewlawrence7066 Be creative. Look for ways you can use the rules of the game against itself, or in unusual, unexpected ways - this can show flaws in the logic of the games rule structure. When I test, I think of the average experience of the average user, but I also look for the fringe cases - as in, most users will follow this path, so ok, I definitely have to check there for issues, but SOME users might go off on this oddball path, where nobody probably expected anyone to go - so I have to go there and find any oddities before anyone else does. If there's anything freaky going on in the game my mission is to find it before anyone else does, report it, and get it fixed before anyone else encounters it.
Good communication skills are also important - filling out bug reports with ad much detail and clarity as possible, with supporting screenshots, video, and clear directions on what the bug is, how to find it, and how to trigger it all all key to getting the coders to be able to find the root cause quickly.
Fromsoftware is one of very few studios that I still give massive respect until now because their mindset is not corrupted by greed for more money and they understand what's the best for their game community. They are not bound to follow the norm of live-service games or shit, they just want to please their fans. They make games that gave familiarity to their fans, but also still try to shook up the game dinamic in one way or another. They also have massive respect for their fans, they don't ban people from customizing their personal gaming experience through modding and what not, which is why I lost my respect to nintendo since although they made masterpieces, they pretty much are bloodhounds for anything that have a fraction of words that mention even one of their most obscure IPs, especially towards their community.
Super Mario on the DS was my first souls game and I loved it the only instructions they give you is “save princess peach” and off you go no guiding you through each level just “go get em”
Hi-Fi Rush is a great example of a big company making an actual good game nowadays. It has so much love put into it. It has Number Girl music for crying out loud! They fully committed to the aesthetic they wanted for the game.
Yeah, Japan developer is the best
@@antm9771 developer: 😐😒
Japanese developer: 😱😍😩
@@antm9771 gamefreak is also a japanese company, you know?
Yeah, hope they finally get around to Evil Within 3!
Hi fi rush is a great game but through playing some parts I could just *feel* that the devs did not have enough time to put everything in that they wanted.
FromSoft is the only studio that can iterate on the same formula for 5+ games in a row and have each of them be incredible every time
They made ten games built on the same core formula, in a row, across two system generations. Of those, I'd argue 8 at absolutely great. This was all before they started in on the Souls series. That was the Armored Core series, generations 1-3.5. The biggest change in that formula was going to dual stick controls. Then both 4th and 5th generation did major changes to the mechanics, but retained the formula. AC6 is likely to do the same, again.
Capcom with Monster Hunter: *Am I a joke to you ?!*
*RGG enters the chat*
Nintendo and Zelda joined the chat. It seems Miyazaki fanboi haven't played anything other than soul games so they don't know other good studios and good games still exist...
Nah, RGG has been doing this since the PS2 and then went and shocked everyone by creating their first ever turned based RPG and it still being a banger. Dudes don't even just use the same formula, they also reuse the same map/s in pretty much every game and still they manage to make banger games.
The reason why Modern Warfare 2 did so well is because so many of us were expecting a great new title like Modern Warfare 2019 but that didn't happen, I really wish I could just refund it.
All i can say is i agree with this wholeheartedly. Even more so since were gonna get a expansion in october thats said to be bigger than the main game so i just wonder how the bigs companies are gonna react
The thing is that ubisoft are more than capable of releasing masterpieces, Rayman origins and legends are prime examples of this, but it’s easier for them to keep shitting out half assed cash grabs and it was only a matter of time until people finally gave them the middle finger and to all half assed open world games like Forspoken, I’m really hoping that Ubisoft will work harder on their games and give us something that is reminiscent of their former glory.
I loved Rayman Legends. Unfortunately, it did not sell well. Platform/mascot games in general have been on the decline unfortunately.
It's also the reason why stealth game genre (i.e. Splinter Cell, even the older AC games) has declined.
What once was peak, now is no more
Same with Child of Light and Valiant Hearts: The great war
I miss the Rayman Series...
I still play it, but I miss the "Golden Age" of Rayman...
They need to get rid of this ahmad salama guy
I think the problem with most AAA games these days are that they are too similar to each other, unlike in earlier days where games mostly stayed in their own mold
Sure there where some similarities, but not to the extend the AAA games have nowadays
that’s due to two things: profit and design. When a game is super profitable, everyone wants to imitate it, but most don’t know how to copy the soul of a game. Design plays into this, and nowadays, most games follow what’s known as the Universal Design Philosophy, which means that there are no genres anymore, only games that attempt to take bits from all genres.
@@dylanbell268 I think you are right
@@dylanbell268 Cough cough dragonquest cough.
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe to add an addendum, japanese games don’t play the same as western games because of how insular the culture is, which is also why most JRPGs play the same but they aren’t like Western RPGs.
@@dylanbell268 Exactly! Can't believe I forgot about it, geography (in this case the ocean acting as a barrier) influences culture, which influences the media.
Do you know what the music is at the beggining of the video? I have heard it before and it’s driving me crazy lmao
Developers realizing that making a good game will sell more than making a casino 😡
And THIS is why, indie games, despite not being so much recognised, they mop the floor with AAA games. Why? Because they are all so diverse and intricate, the passion put by indie devs, is just so refreshing.
And they're actually good and creative and aren't made by money hungry devs that rush out the product making it a sticky poo poo mess
lol not all indie devs sum games are dogshit with nothing to offer
@@capolean2902obviously 😂
God bless you. Finally someone tells the truth. Fromsoft with ER just re-invented stuff that already existed
@capolean2902 inde game be like:genderless protagonist
No explanation why are you here or the purpose of the protagonist you don't even know who he is
And most important part is:🏳️🌈
Elden Ring is like a dream. I absolutely adore the fact it doesn't have a difficulty level either, just gradually gets harder. Every player faces and relates to the same challenges.
@@wyvernofstrength64 Also, the internet. How many people these days are just looking up best builds and locations with the best loot?
@@jamaly77 they mostly either are new idiots and don’t know how to experience art or somebody who beat the game already
I agree, personally I hate the feature where you can change the difficulty of a game, it takes the challenging aspect of the game away, as someone can lower the difficulty whenever they struggle with a boss. It's not supposed to be that way.
Depends on the game, for this it doesn't work.
Teleport to Kaelid, farm a little bit, and suddenly you can steamroll everything in the game because nothing scales with you, making it extremely trivial.
@@Digger-Nick you chose to do that, it’s a single player game. People can play however they want
What is the background soundtrack at the beginning?
What is the music playing at 1:29? I’ve heard it before
my dad works at ubi, only reason he was tired of hearing about elden ring was because he knew that he was going to be in meetings where the higher ups would be pushing for their game to be more like elden ring, and that he was hearing about it constantly when he had no real interest
the reason why Elden Ring was successful is because their higher ups value the artistic nature of gaming over money. they understand that fostering the players sense of exploration, giving them freedom to play the game they want to play it and their own pace, and rewarding them for perserverance are so much more valuable than microtransactions and bloated to-do checklists.
Well, this is the problem with AAA developers and the industry in general. Everyone is a copycat, they don't lead the industry by an example, they follow the latest and most successful game for any give point in time and can completely abandon their recent ideas and identity for the sole purpose of following the most recent trend and hope to profit from it. Where is the creativity, originality and dignity in these companies? Obviously its risk management, but it is also risky to never invent new ideas and being a lame copycat is not profitable in the long run.
@@Skumtomten1 i personally think that risk management has everything to do with it, especially within the last 5 to 7 years. I've seen a couple articles speaking about it recently which makes me think that it's legit, that the price of a game not changing despite the insanely high quality graphical rendering of recent technology means that the devs have to do more work within the same amount of time in order to both meet deadlines and keep budgets where they are. this leads to a lot of games being released kind of unfinished and gutted as compared to games of previous decades, with microtransaction shops working out the gate with sometimes better functionality than a lot of the other parts of the game. costs seem to be going up without extending the amount of time that ought to be required for a game of the scale companies want to make, all the while prices aren't making up for that without adding MTX stuff. that combined with the fact that it's generally more risky to make a new IP than to make a sequel to an older IP and you can get some stuff that we're seeing from multiple different companies in the industry. it's shameful
Oh god, it gets worse
My thoughts on this industry were correct. Wow, so that's what it's like now. Atleast now I can be happy as shit that I don't really enjoy new games anymore. I thought I was losing the love for gaming, but nope, my most played games have been indie past few years or I predominantly play old games.
New games can fuck themselves (unless well, some are good games)
@@poko60 I mean what I'm saying isn't really insider info, just my opinion based on my experiences and what i've seen and heard personally.
that said, agreed, fuck most new games
One critique I have of with players is that we may have conditioned the devs to think like this. When more creative games like Titanfall and COD advanced warfare failed, it told developers that players don't like diversifying that much
-A salty Titanfall 2 player
Didn't titanfall 2 release at the same time as battlefield 1 - which was massively successful? It was just overshadowed by it.
Add pokémon black & white there too
@@TheLegend-ic8wr yes. that's an additional issue that Titanfall 2 suffered. However, other games considered different like Cod Advanced Warfare didn't have that issue and was unpopular specifically because it was vastly different from any other cod games.
@@kevinl4837
Advanced warfare was one of the worse iterations of cod. Guns were very unbalanced especially with better variations of the same gun. Players were too mobile and hard to shoot at. Maps were meh.
Black ops 3 which was similar in that it was futuristic and had jetpacks, was well received.
Futuristic fps shooters have been overdone and people are sick of it too - another reason why bf1 > IW.
I don't think it's the fans fault that titanfall 1 was pretty mediocre and kind of killed all the potential hype for titanfall 2
random question whats the song at roughly 5:20??
Open world helped a lot. That marketing angle gets a whole plethora of certain player types.
I think the open world aspect was one of the biggest factors for the game's success. Not only does the game's audience broaden with it, but it also adds a subtle "easy mode" to the game. Just easy enough to draw in the "hardcore but not THAT hardcore" crowd. In previous Souls titles, when you got stuck on a boss you had to either git gud or do a debatably boring grind to level up. Having the choice to just go somewhere else to blow off some steam completely changes the pacing of the souls-like experience.
Totally agree with that one. It certainly helped a lot of players. Altough, I and quite some people I know prefer the previous formula as we didn't see the site content as particularly interesting and to repetetive. At least they gave proper farming options in Mohngwyn palace and with the ball in Caelid to not engage with the site content for fast leveling for the main content.
Well idk man, souls game has summons. Which is basically easy mod. So souls game always had that easy option.
@@runek100 While summons can make the fights easier, not many (if any) fights gets to be actual easy, so to speak. Plus, to a lot of people, summoning is a lot less appealing than exploring for a bit, myself included.
I'm arguing that Dark Souls "throw yourself against a wall until you succeed" is a lot less appealing to most people, limiting the success of previous souls titles.
Also agree. Played ds3 and grinder the hell out of it.
Tried blood borne but just did t have the time to do that again.
Love the fact you can just go do something else and come back when you have “got gid”
Absolutely. My first 3-4 boss attempts are always the best ones, after that I tend to get a bit impatient. Re-running the same boss 20 times in a row without a break is not my idea of a good time, so just being able to leave the bosses and go enjoy something else for a bit has made ER the most enjoyable fromsoft game experience by a large margin.
Miyazaki and team have created several masterpieces with so much replay value. In an old interview Miyazaki talked about his first souls game; Demon Souls. He was very into the idea of world building, having things interwoven, and letting the environmental journey aid in the story. Elden Ring was truly the culmination of that dream and the tech/coding possible to make it happen, and they were able to make it on old gen consoles. I think Japanese developers have given us some of the greatest games of all time going back to NES.
Yeah, and thinking that Miyazaki himself said that Demon's Souls is a game that expected to be a failure is Nuts
Elden ring has absolutely zero replay value...
Not to mention still incorporating Fromsoft's extremely lazy game design which makes for an awful open world experience.
@@Digger-Nick The replay value in these games is coop and mostly PVP. Make some toons of different levels for specific areas etc.
@@Digger-Nick wrong
@@ShutoStriker True I suppose pvp is where replayability comes in. Co op is pointless unless they have dedicated Co op maps
The souls formula is amazing, because at the end of the day it just a well made action game. All their changing is the pacing of the combat and the aesthetics , but just those small changes makes it feel like a completely new game.
As someone who had their dad laid off by blizzard when they became Activision/blizzard, we both hate them. according to my dad the working conditions werent the best. However he was luckily around the era that wasnt just microtransaction after microtransaction
I'm playing Elden Ring for the first time and I'm just shocked at how polished it feels. Large open world, no large empty spaces, fluid combat. It felt like an old game, in a good way, before every new release is a buggy mess. Fromsoft is one of few remaining companies that actually care for gamers and are passionate about their projects.
IKR, like there's something going on in each corner of the map. You'll find something even when you're just wandering aimlessly. And on top of that i have no idea how that big of a world is only 50gb on pc...
No large empty spaces? Are you kidding me?
@@vazazell5967 no its true, there aren't empty undesigned spaces
@@db5094 the entire open world is one large empty area with questionmarks scattered around, except unlike some ubi stuff it doesn't even tries to look natural.
@@vazazell5967 nice bait. 👍🏽 try again somewhere else my guy
EldenRing refueled my love for gaming. Ima be honest, I was skeptical if it even would've been worth the 60$, so when i finally booted it up, bam, even just the starting screen was enough to have me be like, yep, this would be one of my favorite games of all time. The music, the very simple not complicated title screen, my flame was renewed. Thank you EldenRing
Man I had pretty much the exact same experience. I came home from working in a factory, 12 hour shift. The FIRST thing I did was boot up the game for the very first time. And I just sat there, Gawking at the fact that Yep, this is my new favorite game😂
Huh. That's funny. Elden Ring made me want to give up on the Souls series entirely.
@@BossStar1995 why do you say that?
@@LLTehSaltShakerBlOD the midgame boss named Starscourge Radahn and the late game boss named Malenia, Blade of Miquella. It took me an entire month to best Radahn as a newcomer and I've yet to beat Malenia. And it's not because of good boss design.
You... were convinced that it would be your new favourite game with the starting screen? sounds like I need to make a business out of a... starting screen simulator or something xD
2:06…. is the most accurate analogy I’ve ever seen/heard as far as the modern gaming industry goes.
it really hit me when one christmas i got far cry 6 and my brother bought ac valhalla. I would go into his room to see how the game was and felt like i was watching viking far cry in third person
I belive there is one more reason why Elden Ring succeeded.
In one of the interviews, they asked Miyazaki why he made such a difficult game.
He said he wanted to give players sense of accomplishment when they beat the game. So rather than making themselfs a massive d**** to the playerbase and calling it the day - they make it challenging, BUT FAIR. I guess they have as much fun seeing us struggle against the boss, as much as watching tons on tons on tons of fanarts, videos, memes, montages. Like come on. Where in the internet there is a community that is so invested you can call it insanity?
There is also an insane amount of details, worldbuilding. Like come on, just recently players discovered how Godwyn might looked like before his death. We still find new things YEARS after games release. We don't see such care and love in today era of money.
errr source on the whole "recently players discovered how Godwyn really looked like" please, I've just been googling for 20 minutes and aside from a whole lot of (otherwise interesting) lore on his apparently multiple corpses sort of perpetualy spreading their 'influence' (undeath) and physical growth on objects in the enviroment through the Erdtree roots now due to the whole "only soul got killed" thing - so the corpse itself is a sort of undead now - haven't found any actual face pictures from when he was alive or anything like that. I'm sure I'm not the only one intrigued =D
@@n3v3r1s4 oh shit. Sorry, I forgot word there. I wanted to say:
"What Goldwyn might looked like"
There is a video from guy known as Vaatividya. It's on his Miquella video.
Tl:dr, there are strong clues toward Miquella and Godwyn strong bond. In Halightree there is one statue that probably depict Malenia, Miquella and Godwyn. There are a lot showing first two i mentioned, but not the third figure. And based on what we see, it's not a woman. So Marika is of course excluded, Godfrey isn't like that, and Radagon looks different. Also the only person having such long weavy hair is Godwyn (based on what we saw on opening paintings - the one where Black knife Assasins carved half of rune of death on Godwyn shoulder)
Sorry again for my mistake 😅
@@sirith9157 no need to apologize hehe, nice & tyvm! =)
Another possible reason is the inclusion of GRRM, he’s quite famous due to GoT and could have easily brought more attention to it. His relation to it is how I learned of the game
Fair? You clearly haven't met Malenia.
the "look back on your favorite game" thing sits so well with me on overwatch and overwatch 2, they really just went ctrl c ctrl v and was like "wait this is the same" and removed a tank to make it "different"
Tbf, 5v5 was a better change. The monetization went from mid to bad tho
Honestly, removing one tank made it so much better. The core game is free so w/e
actually they didnt even planning to remove tank. just like they said its actually exactly same game with new game modes and heroes (even echo was planning to come in overwatch 2 not 1) and they said overwatch 1 player are going to have overwtach 2 multiplayer for free and also overwatch 1 multiplayer can play with overwatch 2 multiplayer so its actually the same just like next gen update and all overwatch 2 was going to add was "story mode and co op heroes mission" anything else is same as overwatch 1 just adding new heroes , maps , game modes and etc... in overwatch 2 that can be added in overwatch 1 so yeah. it must be the same multiplayer.
the thing is they couldn't go as a what they plan and if you say why? well thats a lot of story.
Goddammit your favorite game is Overwatch!? Ffs lmao
How can make IP for my game? Can you give me some sources ?
lmao hob slamming the desk. classic
I don't really think the reason Elden Ring stands out is because it defies repeatability. It really isn't that much different than prior titles. It's really more the philosophy that FromSoft ships a complete experience and actually puts some thought into impactful things like gameplay and art. Most studios nowadays are just looking to add line items to put on a powerpoint instead of just focusing on making a the game they want to make.
I think it's got more to do with the fact that it's a work of art that adults can appreciate. It's more than a video game, it's transcended the medium through which it was presented and is still experienced.
It's not as simple as people make it out to be. You need a very specific kind of talent to do something like this.
They have to care...
While I agree that most AAA games feel soulless, especially next to Elden Ring, it's not like ER was a completely new idea. In many ways it feels like "Dark Souls, but big". Even if it is a new IP, it's very much a spiritual successor to DS and it takes plenty of gameplay and even lore elements from it
The thing is with every fromsoft's release beside dark souls trilogy, they are always trying to take risks to change the game to an extent where you kind of feel like the souls DNA is still in the games but if you actually play it, you will notice the differences very quickly. With this pattern of developing new games, new release can make old fans happy by getting them some new things to adapt, meanwhile also trying to approach wider audience.
This is one thing i am really fond of fromsoft's works. They are always learning and adopting new ideas step by step.
Stop being crazy about a game that came out during the drought season. Elden Ring is not a bad game, but there is no need to pretend that it has revolutionized its own genre. I recognize a lot of Dark Souls elements in this game, especially DS3. The same weapon skills migrated to the "ashes of war" Elden Ring in a fairly large volume, and some ordinary opponents reminded me of enemies from old games.
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This! I'm a diehard souls fan, but it would be a lie if we say ER is a brand shiny & new idea. They simply expanded & cumulated everything from previous games, "Big Dark Souls" is actually correct statement. I'm not complaining tho. It would be cool if they tried a radical change like what they did with Sekiro.
@@nocigs5666 "but it would be a lie if we say ER is a brand shiny & new idea"
Did i ever mention its brand shiny??????????????????????????????? plz dont just put words in my mouth. and please you dont have to claim yourself some "die hard souls fan" before you talk. nobody cares. its fucking cringe.
(btw, i fucking hate so called "die hard" souls fans and souls purists, they are some most annoying and obnoxious fans in gaming space.)
It would be fucking stupid for game companies to make their biggest new title game that they have no experience making them before.
And ER is an open world game with souls formula, that alone is a new things to try.
If according to your definition of "new ideas", then i guess RDR1&2 just a reskin or cowboy style of GTA1-5, all rockstars games are the same.
Elder Scroll series and Fall out series are just also the same, just different theme and skins.
All the zelda games are also all the same, Botw just took the old formula to open world, no new ideas whatsoever.
Your definition of "new ideas" would only make almost every single great company like lazy cashgrab ubisoft style company.
Did you see how ridiculous this is?
I have clearly said in the oringinal post that "This is one thing i am really fond of fromsoft's works. They are always learning and adopting new ideas step by step."
Did you see "step by step"??? "Step by step" means trying to grow and expand audience carefully and steadly by adding some new stuffs to the game one at time but also keep the DNA, and well-received features in old games for old fans. Thats how a smart game company to grow and be successful.
Do you know how to read and comprehend people's words?
Holy, what a contrarian clown.
Good video mate. You got my sub :)
I'm not going to lie if elden ring had a donation dlc I would buy it
I once had a small talk on how nowdays modern games might look pretty, demanding more expensive pc settings, and consoles to run, but lack any replaybility and fun factors (scripted events if such, like comparing mhw scripted missions to mhr no scripted interactions), but an indie game like Cultic made me replay the game despite its ancient looking graphics and pretty neat ost.
Its kinda jarring how we slowly stop caring about hd graphics, and return to more experimental styles and ideas when games start becoming more like interactive movies that are too afraid to frustrate you, or punish you for not following its script.
Elden ring basically tosses you into a high end zone as a cruel beginner joke.
How many Triple A games would dare to pull that stunt on todays babied audience?
Ive been playing and replaying Ultrakill for similar reasons. Its just so much game in my game that I can help be come back for an experimental gameplay loop that echoes Titanfall 2 for me.
That's what i fucking loved about the Souls series and From Soft as a whole. The difficulty and the true feeling of success is something i have never felt for a long while, and here i am planning to complete NG+7 of every Souls game, including Bloodbourne.
And that Going Indie is exactly why indie games are getting so popular. Very well made video.
Money * drops mic *
Envy * drops mic *
Elden ring was my first soulsborne game. A couple days before the release I really wanted to get back into gaming and I saw the trailer for the game and it looked amazing, I decided to pre order it, which I hardly ever did for any game, and it has become one of my favorite games of all time
This is one of the reasons I love studios like Nihon Falcom, their "Legend of Heroes: Trails" series is coming up on 12 games, but while each game is similar, they're constantly evolving the gameplay to make each title different enough from their predecessors that they don't feel like clones.
Nihon Falcom and Gust, are pretty much the only rpg developers who's games I play nowadays. Most rpg devs just seem to make the same generic shit all the time. But Nihon Falcom and Gust seem to make rpgs that are interesting and fun to play. I didn't know that I wanted a game where I play as a alchemist making explosives, but now that is all I want to play and it never gets old because every game is different and they are always trying different ways to make alchemy fun. God I love the Atelier games.
Another studio that makes great JRPGs is Monolithsoft. Xenoblade Chronicles, their main series, started out with MMO inspired combat and then iterated and evolved it into something almost entirely different over the course of four games.
They're one of Nintendo's second party studios and one of the few that get's to work on mainline Zelda Games.
I started playing 2 days ago and thought I won't need guide to play it. Damn wrong, I got motion sickness and difficulty with keyboard controls (already fix it). The first thing that I noticed is that the screen does not have any clutter, no mini-map at the corner, no quests guiding and bothering you, runes and equipped things only shows for a brief moment when u used them as well as HP, Mana and Stamina. Kind of overwhelming with the lack of ingame guides and dark theme but I had a blast. I beat my very first mini-boss Tree sentinel just hours ago and the reward is awesome, so heavy big boi XD. I think this is the first time I felt terrified but thrilled after many months of burn out from playing genshin. Looking forward to beat my next bosses but first level up stats :D
Came here after EndymionTvs video and it is good. Subbed.
I like Elden Ring because it reminds me of how games were made when I started gaming. You buy it and it runs properly, you play it and it doesn’t ask for more money. I love it because it’s proved the AAA game experience doesn’t have to be me paying micro transactions to be a beta tester.
Well, there were performances issues on pc near launch. But it was still leagues better than other launches, even a year later. (The Wild hearts launch made me so sad)
Elden Ring has no micro-transactions and is hard if you want it to be hard, there are the most braindead boss killing builds imaginable, but you don't have to do it, this is just an amazing game that was made by somebody with a soul
More like somebody with a dark soul
@@warecker233lmao, true. 🤣🤣
just a question though, why do you say fromsoftware didn't have a formula for Elden Ring when they've made soulsborn games?
It's just a bias. He even said Elden ring was the only unique IP in the top 10 games in 2022. But the reality is Elden Ring is basically a Souls game with a name change. People know exactly what type of game its going to be, as well as story and plot points. These UA-camrs are just a little disengenuous when it comes to talking about souls games. Like other franchises (call of duty, assassins creed) Elden Ring also follows a very simular formula to its predecessors, and just like other games it also adds more to its world building and gameplay loop. I think the main difference between Fromsoft to the other studios is that their games are still very "green". People haven't fully gotten used to their formular yet, so they can still experiment with new concepts and rehash gamplay and fans will praise it. If From fail to fully innovate their system mechanics and story bests in the future, they too will face the repetitive AAA syndrome.
@@jupiterapollo4985 good point sir!
I agree
But i just wanted to say 1 thing : i hate when games add "souls like combat", it's overmilked at this point
I think the biggest problem with AAA studios (which you sort of alluded to) is they've started focusing on quantity over quality. They've taken note of what sells best and said, "Let's just make as much of this as possible, then we'll make more money." What they don't realize is that if they release fewer sequels, those sequels will be higher quality and will likely sell much better. This will also give them more time and resources to invest in new IP, also increasing profits. They just are very short-sighted. Frankly, it would be better if these studios were run by the developers instead of CEOs.
kinda funny that Elden Ring literally "fromsoft game but quantity over qualty". insane amount of reused stuff, even from other games.
as for AAA indistry in such term... sadly we have GTA5 milked to death. its just different games can have different approach. if everyone start focuing on 1-2 game per generation, it would be much worse. more options always better. in the end, you would play what you like, anyway
@@MrVoland44 lmao dude. I was thinking the same thing. I don't think the OP realise the irony of his statement.
ER story for example is literally just Dark Souls with a bit of tweaking.
Elden Ring sold so much because the hype + it wasn't woke or too bugged. It's not a good game overall, but because streamers hyped it up, everyone jumped on it. This story tells more about the impact of streamers and the mentality of players, which in turn will push companies to keep doing commercial trash, all the bad games you named, still made enough money, there is no need to be the best seller, the important is to sell enough, and this streamers-players toxic hype mentality will push to more low quality games.
New IP is a greater risk that does not always yield greater rewards than making what is familiar.
Hence why EA make a lot more money from cranking out sports titles every year than releasing original IPs.
Look at Titanfall for example. Two of the best and freshest shooters made for their time, but sold a fraction of the rehashed sequel games that get released every year.
Companies aren't stupid, they know that sequels and rehashing are easy wins. The reason that these games are being made every year is because they continue to sell.
@@DS-nv2niwhat about Elden Ring makes it „not a good game overall“? Sure some of the end game areas aren’t great but a majority of the game is very high quality. I’m genuinely asking here, if you can’t answer me without insulting me or anyone else then don’t bother replying at all, because I’ll just ignore you.
I feel like most AAA games have shifted their focus twoards just making as much money as possible instead of actually making a meaningful and good game that people enjoy.
They've put themselves between a rock and a hard place because the share holders are who they are trying to please. If they don't make more money this year compared to the last, then share holders bail. They've set the standard for making insane money with live services and micro transactions. If they suddenly stopped and went back to regular game releases they would probably be sued by their investors. So infinite greed is the strategy... what could go wrong?
capitalism baybee
Yall dont know what you want. So they feed you more trash
I feel the same main reason why I avoided most new games.
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Hurr hurr, numbers arrows must always go up.
Dude I just realized that Dungeon with the lava floor at the end was meant to be crossed by riding the chariot. I fuckin ran through the lava to complete that dungeon. Gotta love it.
Real question: What is so "new" about Elden Ring? It's basically just another Souls game or not? 06:52 there you said "except for Elden Ring" but these games coming from From Software are very very similar.. Pls correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't get it.
elden ring showed how an open world doesn't need to be boring or a chore, you don't need to check the map for 100 side quests or X events that will reward with something, the reward is the world itself, maybe there's a bunch of monsters guarding a treasure, an abandoned tower with a talisman inside, hell maybe a small miniboss and if you defeat it you can access a secret area by a teleport. On the same page, you don't need to follow a story that you don't enjoy just because you want to play. There's a linear path through the main story, but if you want, there's different paths and you can do your thing your own way. I'm not saying elden ring is the only good open world game, I'm pretty sure there's dozens of them. But personally, elden ring open world is the only one I genuinely enjoyed.
Aside from that, what's so "new" about elden ring? If we compare it to other souls (such as dark souls, bloodborne or sekiro) it's kinda from soft's masterpiece, it's mostly an upgrade of the formula they've been using for a decade, play ds1, and then play elden ring, you can tell the difference pretty easy. So really, elden ring got a lot of new things that worked nicely, but this mainly depends on your perspective. For a souls player elden ring did a looooooot of new things. For someone who doesn't enjoy souls games, elden ring is just another souls game.
(also from the point of view of a modder, elden ring allows you to add physics for items which is fucking huge, if we're talking about new things)
i think ghost of tsushimas success is another great example of a more recent game thats come out that was absolutely fantastic. brand new ip with a great story and amazing gameplay mechanics, any content added after release was given for free meaning absolutely no microtransactions, absolutely beautiful graphically and stylistically, just all around a fantastic experience
Really just felt like another assassins creed game to me lol
@@Laocoon283 I would have challenged you some time ago. But honestly after doing many side quests, it feels very repetitive and most quests feel like a chore. Those forced stealth missions to rescue hostages are so annoying.
A great game if you stick to the main quest, but the secondary missions lose their shine after a while
@@MehdiGlz I hate this trend of open world games that developers have been chasing over the past decade. They make a game that would be better suited to be a traditional level design type game and stretch out into this vast, empty, sterile, repetitive fetch quest abomination.
If Ghost of Tsuhima formatted it self in the style of Sekiro it would have been a stellar game but they shot themselves in the foot by trying to ram a square peg in a round hole.
The recent failure of that open world vampire game (forget the name) made me realize this.
I never played a souls-like before Elden Ring. It was tough at the start, but it gets "easier". One of the most fun games I've ever played.
Thats the great thing about the souls series, the bosses you have to learn sure might be painful for a bit but once you get it down, and you flawless a boss next attempt is.....addicting, on top of that if you simply struggle learning patterns you can just poise through everything and tank with a greatsword or range spam magic, ER furthers that ALOT with a shit ton of variety and ways to handle bosses
If you enjoyed Elden Ring, I highly, highly suggest you check out the other Dark Souls games! The older ones might feel a bit "clunky" in comparison, but they still have the same overall combat style, and the lore is just *chef's kiss*
However, if you have a PS4, Bloodborne is an absolute _must_. In my opinion, it's far and away the best FromSoft game - if you like Elden Ring, I guarantee you're going to love Bloodborne.
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I did try playing Demon's Souls and Blood Borne a while back (before Elden Ring came out). I couldn't really get into them. They feel a bit too confined for me. Elden Ring feels different than those games because there is so much to explore, and if a certain area or boss is frustrating, then I can go explore somewhere else. Also, the atmosphere/mood in Bloodborne was a little too dark for my taste. Elden Ring kind of hits the sweet spot. I think one of the reasons it was such a big hit is because even people who normally wouldn't play a souls-like can have fun playing it.
But maybe I'll go back and try Bloodborne again and see if my opinion changes.
Oi. Don't bring yourself down like that. It doesn't get easier, you just get better.
My first souls game was ds3, I couldn't finish tutorial for an hour or 2. It was crazy, but I learned a lot and rest of the game was fun.
The problem is that 20% of studio's resources is a lot, and if nothing profitable comes out of that creativity, their franchise will lose the competition to another studio's franchise that put in all 100%. Even if you are risky and succeed, success won't be consistent as it is for franchises.
Some of my ideas
1.
The "End of History" idea is a belief that has been proven wrong countless times but still appears.
Many AAA developers seem to believe that the ultimate game has been more or less made and only small iterations are possible.
2.
Many modern AAA games have gotten extremely good at extracting money from players. Such goal need a very grindy gameplay, so that you will
- sink a lot of time into the game, justifying money spend with time invested
- pay to skip the grind, or for item that are like grind rewards but can't be gotten free to play
Good modern games without massive grinding and Microtransaction call (1) into question and establish a precedent that games don't have too do (2).
Great video man. I really wanted Elden Ring to win game of the year not only because it deserved it, but because we need more games like Elden Ring and the Soulsborne franchise, and by this I don't mean "git gud" games necessarily, just creative masterpieces that follow the studio's vision and not just a formula to make money. By winning FromSoft showed developers that there is more than just movie-like games and the Ubisoft formula.
Arguably, Elden Ring did follow a formula to make money.
@@skippertheeyechild6621 That is without sacrificing user experience unlike everyother AAA developer except maybe Santa Monica.
I always wanna see Dog in Elden ring
The irony is that, Fromsoftware used to be under Ubisoft during the For answer period, man they really learned after those incursions
Ghost of tsushima is the last game I really felt I had fun on. The fact that not only the gameplay but the story also immersed me, its been the only game where I grew attached to the characters as if they were real, even near cried at the ending which I've never felt for a game before, unfortunately prolly never gonna feel like that for a game again.
Ghost of tsuhima hooked me like no game hooked me in a while, it wasn't even that unique a game, it just did everything PERFECTLY.
Play RDR2 if you haven't
@@chinmoyroy2644 exactly what I came to say :)
I’m ngl the game was fun for a little while and the small mechanics here and there blew my mind but after a while the game felt repetitive. Same ole fight an enemy and win even on the hardest mode. The thing that kept me playin like all these other AAA games is the graphics but even then they feel repetitive and boring.
I loved the story and aesthetic of it, but upgrading your abilities actually hurts the gameplay at the end. you have so many counters to every action that it makes every enemy trivial. I feel like they went a little too hard in that aspect, but the game is amazing otherwise.
One thing that could happen is that once players get so tired of copycats that they stop buying them, is that it will reach the point that the potential flop of a new idea will perform the same as another copied game.
World game design as reminiscent of FONV's players freedom and gameplay variety, it also has dynamic writing as ER offered branches and interconnecting quest