It is certainly ín Greek. I learned the classical language once but can only make out occasional words, Hamartia is sin, I remember, which he is no doubt asking God to forgive. This is where Christianity first began to spread, in these very catacombs. And Greek is the very language of the apostles, impressive.
@@momphert2026 I refer only to the Metropolitan, by the way, you are right, he is reciting the words of Christ at the Last Supper, Take eat/drink…..for the forgiveness of sins..
Greek and English translation of this part of the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom! Greek : Λάβετε, φάγετε, τοῦτό μού ἐστι τὸ σῶμα, τὸ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν κλώμενον, εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν. (Ὁ λαός): Ἀμήν. (Ὁ ἱερεύς) (μυστικῶς): Ὁμοίως καὶ τὸ ποτήριον μετὰ τὸ δειπνῆσαι, λέγων Πίετε ἐξ αὐτοῦ πάντες, τοῦτό ἐστι τὸ αἷμά μου, τὸ τῆς Καινῆς Διαθήκης, τὸ ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν καὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον, εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν. (Ὁ λαός): Ἀμήν. (Ὁ ἱερεὺς ἐξακολουθεῖ ἐπευχόμενος μυστικῶς): Μεμνημένοι τοίνυν τῆς σωτηρίου ταύτης ἐντολῆς καὶ πάντων τῶν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν γεγενημένων, τοῦ Σταυροῦ, τοῦ Τάφου, τῆς τριημέρου Ἀναστάσεως, τῆς εἰς οὐρανοὺς Ἀναβάσεως, τῆς ἐκ δεξιῶν Καθέδρας, τῆς δευτέρας καὶ ἐνδόξου πάλιν Παρουσίας. Τὰ σὰ ἐκ τῶν σῶν σοὶ προσφέρομεν κατὰ πάντα καὶ διὰ πάντα. (Ὁ λαός): Σὲ ὑμνοῦμεν, σὲ εὐλογοῦμεν, σοὶ εὐχαριστοῦμεν, Κύριε, καὶ δεόμεθά σου, ὁ Θεὸς ἡμῶν. (Ὁ ἱερεύς) (μυστικῶς): Ἔτι προσφέρομέν σοι τὴν λογικὴν ταύτην καὶ ἀναίμακτον λατρείαν, καὶ παρακαλοῦμέν σε καὶ δεόμεθα καὶ ἱκετεύομεν· κατάπεμψον τὸ Πνεῦμά σου τὸ Ἅγιον ἐφ' ἡμᾶς, καὶ ἐπὶ τὰ προκείμενα Δῶρα ταῦτα. (Ὁ διάκονος): Εὐλόγησον, δέσποτα, τὸν ἅγιον Ἄρτον. Καὶ ποίησον τὸν μὲν Ἄρτον τοῦτον, τίμιον Σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ σου. (Ὁ διάκονος): Ἀμήν. Εὐλόγησον, δέσποτα, τὸ ἅγιον Ποτήριον. (Ὁ ἱερεύς): Τὸ δὲ ἐν τῷ Ποτηρίῳ τούτῳ, τίμιον αἷμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ σου. (Ὁ διάκονος): Ἀμήν. Εὐλόγησον, δέσποτα, ἀμφότερα τὰ ἅγια. (Ὁ ἱερεύς): Μεταβαλὼν τῷ Πνεύματί σου τῷ Ἁγίῳ. (Ὁ διάκονος): Ἀμήν· Ἀμήν· Ἀμήν. Ὥστε γενέσθαι τοῖς μεταλαμβάνουσιν εἰς νῆψιν ψυχῆς, εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν, εἰς κοινωνίαν τοῦ Ἁγίου σου Πνεύματος, εἰς Βασιλείας οὐρανῶν πλήρωμα, εἰς παρρησίαν τὴν πρὸς σέ, μὴ εἰς κρῖμα ἢ εἰς κατάκριμα. Ἔτι προσφέρομέν σοι τὴν λογικὴν ταύτην λατρείαν, ὑπὲρ τῶν ἐν πίστει ἀναπαυσαμένων Προπατόρων, Πατέρων, Πατριαρχῶν, Προφητῶν, Ἀποστόλων, Κηρύκων, Εὐαγγελιστῶν, Μαρτύρων, Ὁμολογητῶν, Ἐγκρατευτῶν καὶ παντὸς πνεύματος δικαίου ἐν πίστει τετελειωμένου. (Ὁ ἱερεύς): Ἐξαιρέτως τῆς Παναγίας, ἀχράντου, ὑπερευλογημένης, ἐνδόξου, Δεσποίνης ἡμῶν Θεοτόκου καὶ ἀειπαρθένου Μαρίας. (Ὁ λαός): Ἄξιόν ἐστιν ὡς ἀληθῶς μακαρίζειν σε τὴν Θεοτόκον, τὴν ἀειμακάριστον καὶ παναμώμητον καὶ μητέρα τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν. Τὴν τιμιωτέραν τῶν Χερουβεὶμ καὶ ἐνδοξοτέραν ἀσυγκρίτως τῶν Σεραφείμ· τὴν ἀδιαφθόρως Θεὸν Λόγον τεκοῦσαν, τὴν ὄντως Θεοτόκον, σὲ μεγαλύνομεν. English translation: Take, eat, this is My Body, which is broken for you for the remission of sins. People: Amen. The Priest then says in a low voice: Likewise, after partaking of the supper, He took the cup, saying, The Priest again exclaims: Drink of this, all of you; this is My Blood of the new covenant, which is shed for you and for many for the remission of sins. People: Amen. Then the Priest says in a low voice: Remembering, therefore, this saving commandment and all that has been done for our sake: the Cross, the tomb, the Resurrection on the third day, the Ascension into heaven, the enthronement at the right hand, and the second and glorious coming again. And he exclaims: Your own of Your own we offer to You, in all and for all. People: We praise You, we bless You, we give thanks to You, and we pray to You, Lord our God. Priest (in a low voice): Once again we offer to You this spiritual worship without the shedding of blood, and we beseech and pray and entreat You: Send down Your Holy Spirit upon us and upon the gifts here presented, The Deacon, gesturing with his orarion toward the holy Bread, says: Bless, Master, the Holy Bread. And the Priest blesses over the holy Bread and says: And make this bread the precious Body of Your Christ. The Deacon, gesturing with his orarion toward the holy Chalice, says: Amen. Bless, Master, the holy Cup. The Priest, blessing over the holy Chalice, says: And that which is in this Cup, the precious Blood of Your Christ. The Deacon, gesturing with his orarion toward both Holy Gifts, says: Amen. Bless, Master, both the Holy Gifts. The Priest, blessing both the Holy Bread and holy Chalice, says: Changing them by Your Holy Spirit. Deacon: Amen. Amen. Amen. The Priest says in a low voice: So that they may be for those who partake of them for vigilance of soul, remission of sins, communion of Your Holy Spirit, fullness of the Kingdom of Heaven, boldness before You, not for judgment or condemnation. Again, we offer You this spiritual worship for those who have reposed in the faith: forefathers, fathers, patriarchs, prophets, apostles, preachers, evangelists, martyrs, confessors, ascetics, and for every righteous spirit made perfect in faith, And he exclaims: Especially for our most holy, pure, blessed, and glorious Lady, the Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary. People: It is truly right to bless you, Theotokos, ever blessed, most pure, and Mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim, without corruption you gave birth to God the Logos. We magnify you, the true Theotokos.
Very nice. I would like to know precisely where this is? I don't know if this is an actual catacomb church. It does not appear that way to me. The presence of pagan statues seems incongruent with that. I really think the Orthodox need to do more to reach out to the Latin church particularly at this time of such decay and crisis in the Western Church.
There is no reaching out my friend. The east will not be in communion with the west, Protestant or Roman Catholic till Rome denounces papal authority and the changed, false liturgy. There is nothing else Rome can do to be United with Orthodoxy until they accept the true faith and denounce the past
SirDurok97 I’m seriously considering Latin Orthodoxy, which I think is a more relatable term for Americans then “Antiochean Western Orthodox”, Same thing, but a better label. I am very encouraged by there being a moderate position on the ancient controversies, particularly Filioque. The FUNDAMENTAL dispute is not whether or not Filioque COULD ever legally be added to the Creed or even whether or not it is a valid metaphysical opinion to have. Hardliners like the Russian ultra Purists aside, who seem to hate all things Latin no matter what, the Filioque ALWAYS deserved to have its day in court, that is, to have a VALID and Legitimately AUTHORITATIVE Ecumenical Council thoroughly debate it, stripped of all pro/anti-Latin bias. That IS possible and would have been done centuries ago but for the endless distractions of Islam. As for Papal Authority, everything that’s happened since 1958 has to SERIOUSLY make one reconsider John Henry Newman’s conclusions during Vatican 1. I wouldn’t throw out the whole basis for his Arguments, however. There IS real evidence that God directly has influenced the wills of the Bishop of Rome. But the more I think about it, the more I realize that that just makes him LESS fallible, not INFALLIBLE. The fact that the council was NEVER COMPLETED should also give us pause. How can an incomplete council be authoritative? So much of its conclusions have been functionally ABDICATED, too, namely the last few Pope’s having given up their status as a monarch. The whole idea behind Papal Supremacy was a Combination Of “First Among Equals” AND being a monarchy as well. Giving that up combined with the other factors makes me seriously wonder about the validity of the last 900 years’ counsels. Not necessarily the best ideas of those alleged councils, I do think that the Eastern Orthodox have been too harsh on the Scholastic theories, which, again, deserve their day in an AUTHORITATIVE Court, but the theories themselves aside, the method for validating them, WITHOUT the other Four Patriarchs’ and a majority of their subordinates unanimous approval, THAT is what I am losing faith in. Now that I know we can hold many of those opinions as theoretically Orthodox, if we can just give a LEGITIMATE 8th council a chance, that makes me lean towards Orthodoxy all the more at this point in my life. I’m not saying I would schism again if, in my lifetime, we could have that council after a VALID Pope renounced his Infallibility provisionally on these issues being addressed in a council which then decided against most of them. If that’s what happens then it it IS God’s Will. But once I figure out which are not even theoretically compatible or at least HIGHLY improbable to be validated at a legitimate council, I can then let those go. But, again, I think reconciliation would be much easier if the Orthodox promised to have a Council as soon as a Legitimate Pope either renounces Infallibility or reformulates it into what I mentioned earlier, “Less Fallibility”. That’s a proposal that needs to be mulled over.
I too am trying to find the music for this. I know that this midway during the Anaphora (A mercy of Peace). If I'm not mistaken, this is being done in Byzantine Plagal of the 2nd tone/Hypophrygian/ Byzantine tone 6? The ison is on F# with the finalis being on B. Someone correct if I'm wrong, I too would like to find out and learn this specific melody. Thanks. In XC, Romanos.
FYI the Pope is no longer in Rome. St. John Lateran is no considered part of Rome either. Should be called Vatican City State Catholic Church. All Bishops in union with the Successor of St. Peter at the Vatican City State.
Absolute nonsense! As an Italian citizen and historian allow me to respond. St John Lateran is the cathedral church of the pope IN ROME , and has been so for centuries. The 1929 treaty between the Italian state, and the Holy See designates the cathedral for legal purposes as part of the Vatican State. It remains the Cathedral Church of the Pope as Bishop of ROME! This legal definition does not magically transport the Cathedral of St. John from the city of Rome and place it in the Vatican City State.
There are various kinds of divine liturgy, in Latin or Greek. Remember that in Orthodox Church, we also have western rite parishes and communities. St. Benedict is an important saint in Orthodox Church, not only the Roman church. His teachings eventually become the basis of modern day's western rite liturgies. Don't forget that before the Normans took southern Italy from the Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantine in 1071, many parishes in those areas still maintained Latin liturgy while still being in communion with The Orthodox Church. Later they were forced to add filioque clause into the creed by the Normans. Oh, and they also still used leavened hosts (bread) for the eucharist before the Norman invasion. Because Rome used to be a part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church, i think we can say that Latin started to be used since St. Linus time (the Pope)
Anugerah Ardiansyah Thanks for the info. Seems like there are conflicting opinions when Latin was used in the Western Orthodox liturgy. Could you give me some references on books that i can read on the history of the liturgy?
Γεώργιος Κουτσογιάννης - Agreed. The differences between Attic, Koine (kee-NEE, not "COY-nay, BTW: they don't teach pronunciation properly in the West, instead teaching a version based on what one late Renaissance-era Englishman thought it should sound like), Katharevousa, and Demotic are minor, for the most part (mostly down to vocabulary for things that didn't exist 2,500 years ago and certain archaic grammar elements). I've personally don't know of any language that's changed less in all that time, it's pretty remarkable, many of the most ancient words are preserved up to this day completely unchanged (or with a minor difference in spelling, like having an "ai"/αι instead of an "ae"/αη in the middle, that kind of thing. Considering that English didn't even exist 1,500 years ago (nor even 1,000, not in any form recognizable to non-academic specialists), and that Russian, Chinese, and Japanese are in much the same boat (in spite of the inflated claims by Sinophiles, based on Nationalistic and Communist propaganda), as are Italian, French, Hebrew, and Malay, it's pretty amazing.
@@terrencemedders1867 They are not catholics. They are Orthodox. The specific priest is the metropolitan of Veria, Naoussa and Campania Panteleimon of the Orthodox Church of Greece.
To be fair, I doubt they would’ve been chanting and using bells and incense. Actually I know they were forbidden from using incense during those times because it was associated with the Roman pagan rituals (and probably could give away their position)
@@neame-bh3uq oh no it was not. You guys left us in 1054 AD which is why the eastern bishop was excommunicated. you're all schismatics so lets get you back to the seat of Peter
@@CopperheadAirsoft You’re literally wrong, the papal bull was sent to C’nople first. Rome was always primus et pares in the early Church, as was Peter. Your historical revisionism is terrible.
@@CopperheadAirsoft Ever heard of Pentarchy? Ah, the 4 other Patriarchs were heretics and terrible, but it was the great Pope of Rome, the only right one. Just doesn't work.
But...why would it be in Russian? The Liturgy here is being served in Greek, which was the original language of the Church and the Liturgy and the language our brothers would have used for the Liturgy in the Catacombs during the Persecutions. Orthodoxy does not mean Russian by any means. The Liturgy may be served in any language, but if you want to be "traditional," it should be done in Greek
as a catholic i don't how how should i feel watching a non-catholic liturgy done in the catacombs of the holy saints and martyrs which is a sacred place ......they could have prayed there not only them but any christian but saying the liturgy there is a bit too much.
The Catacombs are as much part of the Orthodox Christian heritage as the Roman Catholic . Before the schism there was but one Church , the Christians praying in the Catacombs were part of the pre-schism Church .
What the hell are you talking about? One of the most beautiful liturgies I had the chance to see was in Saint Mark's Basilica in Venice, celebrated by his Holiness Pope Tawadros, patriarch of the orthodox Church of Alexandria. I'm catholic but still open to the beauty of diversity. Besides, God doesn't need any religion in other to exist, it's just us human beings who love to be artistic and original with our many rituals...
This is the liturgy of the saints and martyrs who prayed in the catacombs though. The stuff that the Roman Catholic church does today would have been completely foreign (and probably quite horrifying) to them.
Even in the ancient times, people risked their lives even to attend Liturgy there _daily_
This is very moving. God bless.
Beauty and truth are one and the same.
Do you speak/read Arabic?
Coming from an Orthodox background I've always admired the beauty (aesthetics) of Catholicism. How about this.
@@prometheus5770 Truly Catholic aesthetic is also beautiful
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory Forever!
Emotion! At the point where the first Christians hid their faith.
Goosebumps
Beautiful
There is a mistake in the description, he is not of Constantinople patriarchate he is Greek metropolitan Pateleimon of Naoussa in Greece
It is certainly ín Greek. I learned the classical language once but can only make out occasional words, Hamartia is sin, I remember, which he is no doubt asking God to forgive. This is where Christianity first began to spread, in these very catacombs. And Greek is the very language of the apostles, impressive.
@@momphert2026 I refer only to the Metropolitan, by the way, you are right, he is reciting the words of Christ at the Last Supper, Take eat/drink…..for the forgiveness of sins..
@@momphert2026 i don't understand what the mitropolitan is praying but i know it's greek, just by hearing it
I'm sorry for making this distinction but he doesn't do his cross correctly.....
@@sakellarioudimitris7439No. It’s just that Roman Catholics and the Orthodox Christians cross themselves differently.
chanting is Amazing
Pls what's the name of the chant?
I wish I could have been there!!
this only takes over 1,000 years to happen
Ευλογησον τον λαόν Σου Κύριε
Grande Triade, Unico Dio, Padre, Figlio, Spirito Santo🙏🌹
Greek and English translation of this part of the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom!
Greek :
Λάβετε, φάγετε, τοῦτό μού ἐστι τὸ σῶμα, τὸ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν κλώμενον, εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.
(Ὁ λαός): Ἀμήν.
(Ὁ ἱερεύς) (μυστικῶς):
Ὁμοίως καὶ τὸ ποτήριον μετὰ τὸ δειπνῆσαι, λέγων
Πίετε ἐξ αὐτοῦ πάντες, τοῦτό ἐστι τὸ αἷμά μου, τὸ τῆς Καινῆς Διαθήκης, τὸ ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν καὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον, εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.
(Ὁ λαός): Ἀμήν.
(Ὁ ἱερεὺς ἐξακολουθεῖ ἐπευχόμενος μυστικῶς):
Μεμνημένοι τοίνυν τῆς σωτηρίου ταύτης ἐντολῆς καὶ πάντων τῶν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν γεγενημένων, τοῦ Σταυροῦ, τοῦ Τάφου, τῆς τριημέρου Ἀναστάσεως, τῆς εἰς οὐρανοὺς Ἀναβάσεως, τῆς ἐκ δεξιῶν Καθέδρας, τῆς δευτέρας καὶ ἐνδόξου πάλιν Παρουσίας.
Τὰ σὰ ἐκ τῶν σῶν σοὶ προσφέρομεν κατὰ πάντα καὶ διὰ πάντα.
(Ὁ λαός): Σὲ ὑμνοῦμεν, σὲ εὐλογοῦμεν, σοὶ εὐχαριστοῦμεν, Κύριε, καὶ δεόμεθά σου, ὁ Θεὸς ἡμῶν.
(Ὁ ἱερεύς) (μυστικῶς):
Ἔτι προσφέρομέν σοι τὴν λογικὴν ταύτην καὶ ἀναίμακτον λατρείαν, καὶ παρακαλοῦμέν σε καὶ δεόμεθα καὶ ἱκετεύομεν· κατάπεμψον τὸ Πνεῦμά σου τὸ Ἅγιον ἐφ' ἡμᾶς, καὶ ἐπὶ τὰ προκείμενα Δῶρα ταῦτα.
(Ὁ διάκονος):
Εὐλόγησον, δέσποτα, τὸν ἅγιον Ἄρτον.
Καὶ ποίησον τὸν μὲν Ἄρτον τοῦτον, τίμιον Σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ σου.
(Ὁ διάκονος):
Ἀμήν. Εὐλόγησον, δέσποτα, τὸ ἅγιον Ποτήριον.
(Ὁ ἱερεύς):
Τὸ δὲ ἐν τῷ Ποτηρίῳ τούτῳ, τίμιον αἷμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ σου.
(Ὁ διάκονος):
Ἀμήν. Εὐλόγησον, δέσποτα, ἀμφότερα τὰ ἅγια.
(Ὁ ἱερεύς):
Μεταβαλὼν τῷ Πνεύματί σου τῷ Ἁγίῳ.
(Ὁ διάκονος):
Ἀμήν· Ἀμήν· Ἀμήν.
Ὥστε γενέσθαι τοῖς μεταλαμβάνουσιν εἰς νῆψιν ψυχῆς, εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν, εἰς κοινωνίαν τοῦ Ἁγίου σου Πνεύματος, εἰς Βασιλείας οὐρανῶν πλήρωμα, εἰς παρρησίαν τὴν πρὸς σέ, μὴ εἰς κρῖμα ἢ εἰς κατάκριμα. Ἔτι προσφέρομέν σοι τὴν λογικὴν ταύτην λατρείαν, ὑπὲρ τῶν ἐν πίστει ἀναπαυσαμένων Προπατόρων, Πατέρων, Πατριαρχῶν, Προφητῶν, Ἀποστόλων, Κηρύκων, Εὐαγγελιστῶν, Μαρτύρων, Ὁμολογητῶν, Ἐγκρατευτῶν καὶ παντὸς πνεύματος δικαίου ἐν πίστει τετελειωμένου.
(Ὁ ἱερεύς):
Ἐξαιρέτως τῆς Παναγίας, ἀχράντου, ὑπερευλογημένης, ἐνδόξου, Δεσποίνης ἡμῶν Θεοτόκου καὶ ἀειπαρθένου Μαρίας.
(Ὁ λαός):
Ἄξιόν ἐστιν ὡς ἀληθῶς μακαρίζειν σε τὴν Θεοτόκον, τὴν ἀειμακάριστον καὶ παναμώμητον καὶ μητέρα τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν. Τὴν τιμιωτέραν τῶν Χερουβεὶμ καὶ ἐνδοξοτέραν ἀσυγκρίτως τῶν Σεραφείμ· τὴν ἀδιαφθόρως Θεὸν Λόγον τεκοῦσαν, τὴν ὄντως Θεοτόκον, σὲ μεγαλύνομεν.
English translation:
Take, eat, this is My Body, which is broken for you for the remission of sins.
People: Amen.
The Priest then says in a low voice:
Likewise, after partaking of the supper, He took the cup, saying,
The Priest again exclaims:
Drink of this, all of you; this is My Blood of the new covenant, which is shed for you and for many for the remission of sins.
People: Amen.
Then the Priest says in a low voice:
Remembering, therefore, this saving commandment and all that has been done for our sake: the Cross, the tomb, the Resurrection on the third day, the Ascension into heaven, the enthronement at the right hand, and the second and glorious coming again.
And he exclaims:
Your own of Your own we offer to You, in all and for all.
People: We praise You, we bless You, we give thanks to You, and we pray to You, Lord our God.
Priest (in a low voice): Once again we offer to You this spiritual worship without the shedding of blood, and we beseech and pray and entreat You: Send down Your Holy Spirit upon us and upon the gifts here presented,
The Deacon, gesturing with his orarion toward the holy Bread, says:
Bless, Master, the Holy Bread.
And the Priest blesses over the holy Bread and says:
And make this bread the precious Body of Your Christ.
The Deacon, gesturing with his orarion toward the holy Chalice, says:
Amen. Bless, Master, the holy Cup.
The Priest, blessing over the holy Chalice, says:
And that which is in this Cup, the precious Blood of Your Christ.
The Deacon, gesturing with his orarion toward both Holy Gifts, says:
Amen. Bless, Master, both the Holy Gifts.
The Priest, blessing both the Holy Bread and holy Chalice, says:
Changing them by Your Holy Spirit.
Deacon: Amen. Amen. Amen.
The Priest says in a low voice:
So that they may be for those who partake of them for vigilance of soul, remission of sins, communion of Your Holy Spirit, fullness of the Kingdom of Heaven, boldness before You, not for judgment or condemnation. Again, we offer You this spiritual worship for those who have reposed in the faith: forefathers, fathers, patriarchs, prophets, apostles, preachers, evangelists, martyrs, confessors, ascetics, and for every righteous spirit made perfect in faith,
And he exclaims:
Especially for our most holy, pure, blessed, and glorious Lady, the Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary.
People: It is truly right to bless you, Theotokos, ever blessed, most pure, and Mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim, without corruption you gave birth to God the Logos. We magnify you, the true Theotokos.
Is there a recording of the whole service??
Isn't this the Epiclesis? One of my favorite parts of the liturgy
SAME!!
1:29 bells should be ringing to mark the consecration of the Holy Gifts and again at 2:22 for the Hymn to the Theotokos.
Glory to God and His Mystical Body ☦️
Any longer version of this??
Very nice. I would like to know precisely where this is? I don't know if this is an actual catacomb church. It does not appear that way to me. The presence of pagan statues seems incongruent with that.
I really think the Orthodox need to do more to reach out to the Latin church particularly at this time of such decay and crisis in the Western Church.
There is no reaching out my friend. The east will not be in communion with the west, Protestant or Roman Catholic till Rome denounces papal authority and the changed, false liturgy. There is nothing else Rome can do to be United with Orthodoxy until they accept the true faith and denounce the past
I think the catacomb has been turned into a museum of sorts. The statue is on a platform guarded by a barrier
it's a makeshift altar
I'd rather see Byzantine rite celebrated in the Vatican than those Novus Ordo mess
me too!!!!
@@deegobenwick1827 I am Orthodox. I would rather you guys serve the Tridentine Mass or Divine Liturgy than Novus Ordo. Don't know why I care but I do.
I am a traditional catholic. I TOO WANT THE SAME
But Rome was never of the Byzantine liturgical tradition, even before the Schism and the introduction of heretical doctrines...
SirDurok97
I’m seriously considering Latin Orthodoxy, which I think is a more relatable term for Americans then “Antiochean Western Orthodox”, Same thing, but a better label.
I am very encouraged by there being a moderate position on the ancient controversies, particularly Filioque. The FUNDAMENTAL dispute is not whether or not Filioque COULD ever legally be added to the Creed or even whether or not it is a valid metaphysical opinion to have. Hardliners like the Russian ultra Purists aside, who seem to hate all things Latin no matter what, the Filioque ALWAYS deserved to have its day in court, that is, to have a VALID and Legitimately AUTHORITATIVE Ecumenical Council thoroughly debate it, stripped of all pro/anti-Latin bias. That IS possible and would have been done centuries ago but for the endless distractions of Islam.
As for Papal Authority, everything that’s happened since 1958 has to SERIOUSLY make one reconsider John Henry Newman’s conclusions during Vatican 1.
I wouldn’t throw out the whole basis for his Arguments, however. There IS real evidence that God directly has influenced the wills of the Bishop of Rome. But the more I think about it, the more I realize that that just makes him LESS fallible, not INFALLIBLE. The fact that the council was NEVER COMPLETED should also give us pause. How can an incomplete council be authoritative?
So much of its conclusions have been functionally ABDICATED, too, namely the last few Pope’s having given up their status as a monarch. The whole idea behind Papal Supremacy was a Combination Of “First Among Equals” AND being a monarchy as well. Giving that up combined with the other factors makes me seriously wonder about the validity of the last 900 years’ counsels. Not necessarily the best ideas of those alleged councils, I do think that the Eastern Orthodox have been too harsh on the Scholastic theories, which, again, deserve their day in an AUTHORITATIVE Court, but the theories themselves aside, the method for validating them, WITHOUT the other Four Patriarchs’ and a majority of their subordinates unanimous approval, THAT is what I am losing faith in. Now that I know we can hold many of those opinions as theoretically Orthodox, if we can just give a LEGITIMATE 8th council a chance, that makes me lean towards Orthodoxy all the more at this point in my life. I’m not saying I would schism again if, in my lifetime, we could have that council after a VALID Pope renounced his Infallibility provisionally on these issues being addressed in a council which then decided against most of them. If that’s what happens then it it IS God’s Will. But once I figure out which are not even theoretically compatible or at least HIGHLY improbable to be validated at a legitimate council, I can then let those go. But, again, I think reconciliation would be much easier if the Orthodox promised to have a Council as soon as a Legitimate Pope either renounces Infallibility or reformulates it into what I mentioned earlier, “Less Fallibility”. That’s a proposal that needs to be mulled over.
More realistically the priest during the persecution would have been Latin, but no doubt Greek would’ve been common too.
Actually, the early christians in Rome also celebrated the mysteries in Greek. Latin came later (not saying that Latin is worse or something).
@@Kralperri Not at all. Christians in Rome used Latin which is evident due to the writings in the catacombs.
@@jasonrowley5770 but the official services were in Greek until the 4th century
Indeed official services in Rome were in Greek to begin with. "Christe Eleison", which is unknown in Greece, is Greek as spoken in Rome.
No it wouldn't. The early church in Rome used Greek and that didn't change until the 300-400s
Pls what's the name of the chant being chanted during consecration?
I too am trying to find the music for this. I know that this midway during the Anaphora (A mercy of Peace). If I'm not mistaken, this is being done in Byzantine Plagal of the 2nd tone/Hypophrygian/ Byzantine tone 6? The ison is on F# with the finalis being on B. Someone correct if I'm wrong, I too would like to find out and learn this specific melody. Thanks.
In XC,
Romanos.
It's called "σε υμνούμεν" (se imnoumen) - we praise you
Also you can find it as "σε υμνούμεν σε ευλογούμεν"
Love this
amizing
FYI the Pope is no longer in Rome. St. John Lateran is no considered part of Rome either. Should be called Vatican City State Catholic Church. All Bishops in union with the Successor of St. Peter at the Vatican City State.
How 'bout "Vatican State of Roman Cadillac Church" ?
Absolute nonsense! As an Italian citizen and historian allow me to respond. St John Lateran is the cathedral church of the pope IN ROME , and has been so for centuries. The 1929 treaty between the Italian state, and the Holy See designates the cathedral for legal purposes as part of the Vatican State. It remains the Cathedral Church of the Pope as Bishop of ROME! This legal definition does not magically transport the Cathedral of St. John from the city of Rome and place it in the Vatican City State.
If the liturgy was always in Greek, when was Latin used?
Latin started to be used in the Church of Rome in about the early 5th century
There are various kinds of divine liturgy, in Latin or Greek. Remember that in Orthodox Church, we also have western rite parishes and communities. St. Benedict is an important saint in Orthodox Church, not only the Roman church. His teachings eventually become the basis of modern day's western rite liturgies.
Don't forget that before the Normans took southern Italy from the Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantine in 1071, many parishes in those areas still maintained Latin liturgy while still being in communion with The Orthodox Church. Later they were forced to add filioque clause into the creed by the Normans. Oh, and they also still used leavened hosts (bread) for the eucharist before the Norman invasion.
Because Rome used to be a part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church, i think we can say that Latin started to be used since St. Linus time (the Pope)
Anugerah Ardiansyah Thanks for the info. Seems like there are conflicting opinions when Latin was used in the Western Orthodox liturgy. Could you give me some references on books that i can read on the history of the liturgy?
what language is this
Greek.
Byzantine Greek.
Constantine Dragases If you are Greek, like me, you can eazy understand koine.
Γεώργιος Κουτσογιάννης - Agreed. The differences between Attic, Koine (kee-NEE, not "COY-nay, BTW: they don't teach pronunciation properly in the West, instead teaching a version based on what one late Renaissance-era Englishman thought it should sound like), Katharevousa, and Demotic are minor, for the most part (mostly down to vocabulary for things that didn't exist 2,500 years ago and certain archaic grammar elements). I've personally don't know of any language that's changed less in all that time, it's pretty remarkable, many of the most ancient words are preserved up to this day completely unchanged (or with a minor difference in spelling, like having an "ai"/αι instead of an "ae"/αη in the middle, that kind of thing. Considering that English didn't even exist 1,500 years ago (nor even 1,000, not in any form recognizable to non-academic specialists), and that Russian, Chinese, and Japanese are in much the same boat (in spite of the inflated claims by Sinophiles, based on Nationalistic and Communist propaganda), as are Italian, French, Hebrew, and Malay, it's pretty amazing.
StopMoColorado Thank you for knowing so many thing about my languege
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What' s his name??
It’s all Greek to me.
It is Greek !
Is this Western Rite?
No. This is Eastern Rite.
@@IC-XC-NIKA-ORTHODOXY, if it's Eastern Rite Catholicism, then why does the video call this an Orthodox Liturgy?
@@terrencemedders1867 They are not catholics. They are Orthodox. The specific priest is the metropolitan of Veria, Naoussa and Campania Panteleimon of the Orthodox Church of Greece.
@@IC-XC-NIKA-ORTHODOXY, I guess I'm just very confused then on the rites and their differences.
@@terrencemedders1867 that's OK! There's admittedly a high learning curve and the terminology is quite complicated
To be fair, I doubt they would’ve been chanting and using bells and incense. Actually I know they were forbidden from using incense during those times because it was associated with the Roman pagan rituals (and probably could give away their position)
You would be wrong about it being pagan. It carried over from second temple Judaism
Rome _literally_ liberated from the pope of Rome
For you Catholic are indidels ??
@@AG-cl5tt As far as the Orthodox are concerned, indeed so.
@@peepoclown1 they're not infidels lmao they just have drifted away from the fullness of the Truth over time.
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Nu știe nici să se închine !?
The Father looks on the older side, so he might have a bad back.
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Schismatics get out!
>schismatics
Rome was the first to excommunicate the other churches. You’re schismatic.
@@neame-bh3uq oh no it was not. You guys left us in 1054 AD which is why the eastern bishop was excommunicated. you're all schismatics so lets get you back to the seat of Peter
@@CopperheadAirsoft You’re literally wrong, the papal bull was sent to C’nople first. Rome was always primus et pares in the early Church, as was Peter. Your historical revisionism is terrible.
@@CopperheadAirsoft Ever bishop is the seat of Peter.
@@CopperheadAirsoft Ever heard of Pentarchy? Ah, the 4 other Patriarchs were heretics and terrible, but it was the great Pope of Rome, the only right one. Just doesn't work.
I'd prefer a Latin Mass, but if you are going to have an orthodox liturgy, let it be Russian
But....Greek was the original language? What is the problem here?
Greek is the language St Paul wrote to the Romans in…
Are a trad Catholic I presume?
Become western rite orthodox
But...why would it be in Russian? The Liturgy here is being served in Greek, which was the original language of the Church and the Liturgy and the language our brothers would have used for the Liturgy in the Catacombs during the Persecutions. Orthodoxy does not mean Russian by any means. The Liturgy may be served in any language, but if you want to be "traditional," it should be done in Greek
as a catholic i don't how how should i feel watching a non-catholic liturgy done in the catacombs of the holy saints and martyrs which is a sacred place ......they could have prayed there not only them but any christian but saying the liturgy there is a bit too much.
The Catacombs are as much part of the Orthodox Christian heritage as the Roman Catholic . Before the schism there was but one Church , the Christians praying in the Catacombs were part of the pre-schism Church .
What the hell are you talking about? One of the most beautiful liturgies I had the chance to see was in Saint Mark's Basilica in Venice, celebrated by his Holiness Pope Tawadros, patriarch of the orthodox Church of Alexandria. I'm catholic but still open to the beauty of diversity.
Besides, God doesn't need any religion in other to exist, it's just us human beings who love to be artistic and original with our many rituals...
This is the liturgy of the saints and martyrs who prayed in the catacombs though. The stuff that the Roman Catholic church does today would have been completely foreign (and probably quite horrifying) to them.
@@nmiller4085 , if you're referring to Novus Ordo then yes, they would be.
@@justiniand6a788 I was. They'd probably find Tridentine a bit strange too, but at least they'd recognize it as a Christian liturgy...