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@@jim_from_it3261 it is .
Join Rajiv Malhotra he did the same thing
I was thinking the same...government is more interested in holding power. Historical survey should be privatized. (Obviously, not to libfarts...they've shown their hate for Vedic culture and love for the barbarians)
Me too bro
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"Soon to be Aryan tourism theory". Lol. That got me.
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Aryan Picnic Theory also..
Aryans Came Here for Picnic But Settled here..
Bruh this is wrong it was just the genes and the god Indra that was foreign the literary tradition was made in india
India has an almost infinite culture, stretching many millenia. I'm so glad to have found your channel and I'm glad that you present your videos in English so I can understand. Salutation from a compatriot of Mircea Eliade.
Thank you, salutations from India.
I didn't expect at all to get an answer, especially on a 2 months old video. Thank you so much.
@@AbhijitChavda Hi Abhijit..The Indus script dictionary by SM Sullivan clearly points in the direction of what you told : Post Vedic Sanskrit looks like a major chunk of it. Please do an addendum of this video.
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even 5000 years ago those people was writing that just shows how advance the culture,was
Mesopotamians also had writing system. But they were lacking in so many things.
Where did you come up with 5000 yrs , they were writing much much earlier.
Funny! Writing was never considered to be an 'advanced' thing in ancient India. All information was passed down orally. Infact, writing system is considered to be the outcome of Kaliyuga especially leftward writing system.
@@27NaV73 Yea, u know pretty much about ancient India, n vedic culture..
@@praveenhegde8107a good 20 mins research will give you answer. Learn basic history at least
A South Indian scholar has done a lot of research on this. He calls the language as sasarpari which is a glyph or pictorial script like Egyptian for Samskrit. He has deciphered quite a few findings. He has also published a scholarly book.
Can you give some links of any article or video? Want to know about it.
what is the name of that scholar????
Would love to know his name
So far, SM Sullivan's Indus script dictionary is the most promising and rational work and it clearly points out to Sanskrit being a major chunk of the Indus script.
Holy fucking yess i was looking for this comment!!..
If the Vedic sanskrit language and culture is the origin of the IVC culture and civilisation, and present day Vedic Sanskrit civilisation, is a continuation of IVC, without any input from any 'aryan tourists', then how come no one can read the indus script anymore?
Surely if the people who formulated the vedas were the same people as those who founded the IVC language, script and culture, then why can't the Vedic people, read one of their own scripts anymore?
And if the Vedic people are the same as the IVC people, then why did they feel the need to write the vedas, first in brahmi, and then later in sanskrit, instead of writing it in their own existing IVC script?
If the IVC was the same continuous civilisation from ancient times, through the Vedic era to the modern day India, then we should be able to still read its script. It should not be a mystery to us, unless there has been some break or suppression, caused by outside hostile forces along the way.
It appears that the IVC language and the ability to read its script was mysteriously abandoned along with its cities, and a new culture and language, (that of Vedic sanskrit) replaced it, without leaving any clues to what happened to it or how it may have morphed into another similar language or script!
The only conclusion I can tentatively come to is that, the IVC people were the original indigenuous people of this land, and their language and culture was the original sanatan dharma of our ancient ancestral civilisation.
The fact that we don't know it's script anymore, and that we have adopted Vedic Sanskrit instead of continuing our original language and script, reveals that there was some outside influence or imposition approx 3,500 years ago, when IVC declined and the vedas were first written down, because no advanced urban civilisation simply abandons its language and ability to read its own script in favour of adopting another, without some form of coercion or pressure from powerful newcomers.
Based on the linguistic, genetic and archaeological data we have today, it seems there WAS some sort of influx into the IVC region 3500 yrs ago.
But instead of 'giving' us our cultural wisdom and knowledge, as the Aryan invasion theory suggests, these newcomers (who have Eurasian Steppe lineage) instead adopted and appropriated much of our existing ancestral IVC spiritual culture, wisdom and knowledge, in a very distorted and cinfused way, whilst also simultaneously suppressing other aspects of our culture, such as our primordial indigenous Gods and goddesses, in favour of their own war like deities such as Indra for example.
And along the way, they also introduced some really harmful ideas of their own, such as racist pale skin supremacy and preference, hatred of dark skin, caste discrimination and misogyny, which has caused so much pain and suffering down the ages and still does to this day.
As well as decolonising our consciousness and culture from the harmful influence and brainwashing of more recent invaders such as the Muslim Arabs and Turks, and the European Christians, we also need to be honest and look further into our ancient past and acknowledge and decolonise ourselves from the harmful influences of those who came and distorted and subverted our sanatan dharma, thousands of years ago too.
Ive often wondered how Bharat, the greatest of spiritual traditions, with such an ancient history and culture of enlightenment, knowledge and wisdom, and veneration of the divine feminine goddess and spiritual pluralism and freedom etc, but at the same time harbours so much violence and hatred towards its women and dark skinned people?
Perhaps it is the distorted remnants and residue of these ancient Aryans who came here with their pale skin supremacy, and caste discrimination, and taught us to hate our indigenous dark skin selves, just like all oppressors do to all native populations.
I don't care for the muslims and their islamic imposition for the last thousand years, nor for the British and their Christianity and their divide and rule, because to me, both these religions represent spiritual fascism, which is completely against the natural philosophy of pluralism that is at the heart of our indigenous sanatan dharma.
I know many Indians are keen to reject any notion of the Aryan invassion/migration etc because they feel that it diminishes their cultural heritage. But I don't think it does to be honest, as I have pointed out above.
It is possible to know what happened to our ancestors and how and when different harmful influences came into and distorted our dharma throughout the ages. In fact it is necessary, so that we may truly and honestly decolonise ourselves fully, from the harmful brainwashed mentality that has been imposed on us, not just in recent times, but also since ancient times .
There is only one reason. The Nehruwadi Congress, from day 1, considered everything about Hindutva, Hinduism, Nationalism, etc etc, enemy #1,( of the Congress and an alternative to rule India) and never financed for 70 years, when they were in power, any significant grants to research on anything remotely concerning Hindutva. So continued the white man's history with a muslim education minister, who was totally unqualified to be an education minister, and together made sure that Hindu Pride Day will never happen in India. Remember this is the same gang, who told Indian President Dr. R.Prasad that he cannot participate in the building opening ceremonies of the new Somnath Temple.
Sir it would be great if these small clips can be added to another playlist.
In so few, well chosen words, useless theories are refuted. Bravo!
Vedic Sanskrit language was present in North India way before 3000 BCE. All the rivers in north India before 3000 BCE have Vedic names. Sarasvathi, Shutudri, Yamuna, Ganga, Sindhu etc are all Vedic names. So are the names of numerous places like Hastinapur ( Delhi), Hariupiya ( Harappa), Indraprastha (Delhi), Swarnprastha (Sonipat), Panprastha (Panipat), Vyaghrprastha (Baghpat) and Tilprastha (Tilpat). RIver names and place names hardly change in the history .
There is no concrete evidence till now about the excistance of sanskrit in the vedic period because sanskrit itself is derived from prakrit. And devanagari scrip for writing and prakrit doesn't have any writing script so the written script of sanskrit is derived from tamilli and industry valley signs even if you try to prove that sanskrit is older it will not happen for another 1000 years rather than you can search from the existing tamili writing and from there you can search for the hidden history
Tamil is oldest.
@@kasturipillay6626 Rubbish. No written scripture or inscription in Tamil before 1000 BCE. All fake claims by some tamil speaking people.
You need to do research and read tamil texts also. Broaden your narrow mind.
@@kasturipillay6626 Present the evidence and talk. Not interested in empty talks.It is tamil fanatics who need to understand the truth and evidence instead of making false claims.
Some anthropologists claim that horses do not exist in the fossil record of the Indian subcontinent before the so-called Aryan Invasion. Can you address this? Obviously horses were an essential part of chariot warfare described in Sanskrit texts. Why do they make this claim and how to refute it? 🙏🏼
Shall answer this in the next Indian history episode.
Horses and Rhinos originated from a common ancestor in India claims a Nature report
The Bhimbetka Cave have pictures of horses showing their existence in India.
Hindu Right wing always tried to Supress South Indian History especially Tamil History. And Kerala history of trade with Romans and Arabs. Islamic History of Muslims through Trade and History of Orthodox Christians and Jews.. Indian history tells... Vedic period has no chronological co relations with Indus period...?.. Righ wing can claim only till 1500 bc. Maximum?. Then who?... Proto Dravidians?
Check the fossil record of the shivaliks. They contain the horses as fossils.
More n more people are viewing this man's content which makes me so frikkin happy , as it shows the willingness to learn about truth from Hindus about there history , greatest civilization of the ancient era. Guys more n more you view , more the curiousity will increase , make sure to use that curiousity to research as much as you can and than impart that knowledge to others
You see to be troubled by the possibility of harappan script being related to Tamil. We should let proper research happen to know the truth. Sanskrit, tamil both belong to bharat.
The Scripts of India ( PT 2)
In ancient times there were two scripts in India - Bráhmii and Kharośt́i. These two scripts have been found on goat hides from the time of the first Muslim king. They date to pre-Muslim times, making them at least 1500 years old. Bráhmii was written from right to left and Kharośt́i from left to right. Late Kharośt́i died and Bráhmii bifurcated into two scripts - Sáradá, the script of the people northwest of Prayag (Allahabad), and Nárada, which was used in the southwest. These scripts were written from left to right like English. Prayag was the meeting point of Sáradá and Nárada. A third script developed and was known as Kut́ilá script. Since it was developed in Kaosambii, it was also known as Kaosambii script. It was also known as Sriiharśá script since the seal of Shrii Harśa [Harshavardan] was written in this script. It was popular in the east of Allahabad.
Nárada script was also known as Nágarii script due to the domination of Nágar Bráhmańas. After the Gupta period, the influence of Kányakubja Bráhmańas declined and that of the Nágar Bráhmańas increased, hence Nárada began to dominate Kut́ilá script. Previously, the scholars of Kashi wrote in Kut́ilá script, but later, due to the influence of the Nágar Bráhmańas, Kut́ilá disappeared and Nágarii took its position. Kut́ilá used to be the script of the entire eastern portion of India.
Ancient támralipi, or inscriptions written on copper, and shilálekhá, or edicts written on stone slabs, have been found in Kut́ilá script from the time of Harshavardhan, when Kut́ilá dominated. Nágarii came after the Gupta period. During the Mughal period the Kayasthas wrote their official records in a distorted form of Nágarii. Since the Kayasthas wrote in this script, it came to be known as Káyathii. It was popular in east Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. Bhojpuri was written in this script. Of course, the official language of the Mughals was Urdu. There is no diphthong (yuktákśara) in Kayathii, which was used in the courts during the British period. Kayathii has a close proximity to Gujrati script, which used to be found over 70-80 years ago. When the United Provinces of Agra and Avadha was consolidated after the merger of Agra, Avadh and Ruhelkhand, Kayathii disappeared from the courts and Urdu took its place.
The Sáradá or Sárasvata script had three branches - Kashmirii Sáradá, used in Kashmir; Dogrii Sáradá, used in Dvigarta; and Punjabi Sáradá, used in Saptasindhu. Later Urdu was accepted in the Punjab and the Sikh Guru Arjuna Deva developed Guru-mukhi script, however Persian script was more popular. Punjabi contains more tadbhava Saḿskrta words which cannot be written properly in Persian script, so in Punjabi “school” and “station” are “sakool” and “sateshan” respectively. Later Lándei script developed as a distortion of Punjabi Sáradá, and the shopkeepers of the Punjab and Sind would write in it.
Ranabir Singh wanted to popularize Dogrii script in Jammu and Kashmir, which was a Hindu theocratic state. At that time only Brahmans and Sándhivigráhikas (Kayasthas) could be government ministers in Hindu theocratic states. Such a system, however, is not proper, as the state is for all citizens equally. The Brahmans in Jammu and Kashmir favoured Kashmirii Sáradá and were more familiar with Persian script, and due to their influence Dogrii script was not accepted.
Assamese and Bengali horoscopes and books were both written in Sriiharśa script, while in Mithila horoscopes were written in Sriiharśa and books in Nágarii. In Kashmir, horoscopes were written in Sárada. In the Punjab, during ancient times, horoscopes and books were written in Punjabi Sárada, that is, Saptasindhu Sárada, while today horoscopes are written in Punjabi Sáradá and books in Gurumukhii script.
Oriya script used to be written on palm leaves with iron pens. To avoid tearing the leaves, it was written in rounded letters. Bengali, however, was written in angular letters. But on shilálekhá, or edicts written on stone slabs, both scripts are written in an angular style because stone is not easily damaged. Oriya was written in Sriharsh script in circular style or Utkal style, and Sriharsh script was written in angular style or Gaoriiya style.
Sáradá denotes intellect or intellectuality. The script used by the intellectuals of Kashmir was called “Sáradá script”. When the Vedas were first composed, they were passed down from guru to disciple through memorization because script had not yet been invented and so no written record of them could be made. The Vedas are also called “Shruti.” (During the time of the Rgveda there was no script). It became a dogma not to write down the Vedas, and a great portion of the Vedas were lost due to this dogma. Out of nearly one hundred rks, most were lost. The scholars of Kashmir were the first ones to write the Vedas down despite the dogma, and they wrote them in Sáradá script. They wrote the Atharvaveda.(2)
Nárada was the script used in the southwest of Allahabad up to the Gulf of Kachh, north of Bombay. It was invented by the Nágar Bráhmańas of Gujarat, therefore it is also called Nágarii script. Nágarii script derived its name from the Nágar Bráhmańas. These Brahmans started writing Saḿskrta, that is, Devabháśá, in Nágarii, so this script was called “Devanágarii”. Thus Devanagari script came from Gujarat and not from Uttar Pradesh. Gujarati is written in a simple way without a line over the letters. When Saḿskrta was written in this script, lines were also drawn over the letters. This script came to be known as Devanagari script, a specific type of Nágarii.
Kut́ilá is the script used in the east of Allahabad. Since complicated diphthongs were used in this script, it was called “Kut́ilá”. Kut́ila means “complicated”. During the days of King Ashoka, Kut́ilá was the popular script but stone edicts were written in Bráhmii script. After the Gupta period and up to the Pathan invasion of India, the influence of Kányakubja and Saryupáriin Bráhmańas decreased and their position was taken over by the Nagar Bráhmańas of Gujarat. Nágar Bráhmańas were dominant in Varanasi. Consequently, Kut́ilá became less dominant and Devanagari took over its position. Varanasi accepted Devanagari as its script. Some British scholars learnt Saḿskrta in Devanagari when the British came to India. The German scholar Max Mueller also used Devanagari script for writing Saḿskrta. Devanagari became the script of Saḿskrta in this [era], though Saḿskrta has no special script of its own. It is written in several scripts. Paesháchii and Paśhcátya Prákrta abounded in tadbhava or distorted Saḿskrta words. In ancient times human beings wandered like nomads and gypsies. Later they settled down permanently in villages. In Vedic Saḿskrta the word anna is used for staple food and pińd́a for any food. The place where people took food was known as pińd́a + ik = pińd́ik. In Paesháchii Prákrta it became pińd́a. Today in Punjabi pińd́a means “village.” Punjabi contains a lot of tadbhava Saḿskrta words.
There are three scripts in Bhojpuri: Nágarii script is used in the west of Allahabad. Max Mueller wrote the Vedas in Nágarii script which came to be known as Devanagari 800 years ago. Sáradá script is used in the northwest of Allahabad and is 1300 years old. Kut́ilá script is used in the east of Allahabad. It is the script for Oriya, Bengali, Bhojpuri, Maithili, Angika, etc. Bengali is 1100 years old.
The mother tongue of Krśńa was Shaorasenii Prákrta. Later on Vrajabháśá emerged from Shaorasenii Prákrta, and is spoken in the west of Allahabad. Raskhan (a Muslim poet), Rahim and Surdas were the poets of Prákrta. The Agrawalas of Vraja belong to the Vraja area and are not Marwaris. The Muslims of Allahabad speak the Avadhi language. Only the Shiites speak Urdu.
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From: A Scriptological and Linguistic Survey of the World
Published in:
* Discourses on Neohumanist Education
Great. Just depth of Indian scripts journey👏🏻👏🏻
Wow! Amazing information
Bro but brahmi is left to right and kharoshthi is right to left .
Most of the Indians would definitely accept that the "Aryan migration theory" is a myth imposed on us by west. The similarity between the Indian(north Indian) and European languages called indo european languages can easily be due to the fact that the people from the subcontinent would have migrated towards the steppes of Europe rather than the other way round. Now the issue is why we need to connect the Aryan and Indus valley civilization ? can't they both be independent and indigenous but separate civilizations of India ?
You totally ignored the fact that in Balochistan not very far from the Indus valley sites there is a dravidian language spoken called Brahui, which obviously makes us to think about some possible connection of South India and the present day site of Indus valley.
One must think about all the aspects.
well, I mean Yes, I agree we should look for all the evidences. But, Brahui also has strong "Indo-Aryan" origins. For example, the first three numbers in their numbering system are of Dravidian origin. But thereafter it has its similarities to the so called Indo-Aryan languages. For, sure, I agree there needs to be more study on this.
What if I tell you there is no such term is Dravidian languages all south indian laguages are involved from pakrit which is local language of all indians and sankrit is only use for scripter and matras I have proof .
It is like same Hyderabadi spoken in Hyderabad.
@@berdenmayur proof??
Out of India theory is extremely far fetched if not theoretically impossible.
Very great insight into true#history in less time
Very nice Abhijit ji. True, that Rigveda suggests a rural civilization, but also does mention elaborate cities. It's because the compilers of Vedas were forest-dwelling sages. Vedas represent their projection of eyes and mind.
This makes so much sense. For example if all written word right now gets destroyed but only logos survive, then for people who don't know current languages, it's a mystery. But logos are just symbols representing something. And some logos contain letters. Some logos combination of letters and art. Maybe whatever survived from those times are just symbols and not exactly script which creates a coherent, meaningful sentence.
Thank you. 🙏
Mr. Abhijit, Please refer the Book "Journey of a Civilization from Indus to Vaigai" to understand the relationship between Indus civilization & Tamil. It's was written by Mr.R.Balakrishnan based on his research past 20 yrs.
Can you explain why there was no proof for Horse in the indus civilization?
Why there was no R1A DNA marker in the Indus people unearthed in the Rakhigarhi, Indus site?
Exactly he will not answer !
There is no need to quarrel over these things. DNA marker does not signify a civilization. All we are saying is the India was a single cultural Unit for thousands of years. The Sinauli war chariots drawn by horses are dated to 1800 to 2200 BC. So there were horses 4500 years ago in India. So this proof of no horses is debunked.
Regarding R1A DNA it just proves the point that the Hindu civilization was indigenous and no external influence was there 5000-6000 years ago. The invasion / migration started happening after Rig Veda was composed.
TN was not a separate entity. It was connected to North India all along. If you say IVC was tamil then you are in fact supporting AIT which has been debunked.
Sir, your interest and research is amazing.
4:08 when I heard this one technology which is gaining popularity come to my mind that is GAN. or Generative Adversirial Network and I think it is the best now known technology which can be optimised to decipher this scripts. But again we will need a lot of computing power and digital data of sanskrit text, and other ancient text like Brahmi.
We need to excavate the Rosetta Stone equivalent for Saraswati Civilisation
Honestly bro there was a legend named Archeologist Acharya M R Rao who already deciphered the script...
m.ua-cam.com/video/R1PGp7706HY/v-deo.html
Skip to time stamp 13:00 to listen to his discovery after the underwater explorations of Dwaraka and its relation to the indus valley script
@@bhargavsisir There exist many claimed "decipherments", but there is not one!
Please refer the P Gurus video with Prof. Kumaraswamy who has deciphered most of the symbols
😂😂😂All the best to prove its a post-vedic Sanskrit --wishes from a tamilan
Abhijit , your videos are an inspiration, fantastic work , love the topics you cover
This short-hand script is very understandable .Thanks for this idea .A great admirer n follower of ur channel
I was waiting desperately for this answer.
Thank you Abhijit Ji... Like your videos a lot... Your idea of using machine learning for deciphering the Harrapan Script is wonderful... Hope the technology savvy young students of India are able to run with this idea...🙏🙏🙏
Wow you actually gave me the info I needed to decipher this. I mean I know I can by comparing it with other scripts in other areas at different times. Also the evolution timescale. What is communicated at this 'time' etc. And machines are incredibly stupid at a certain point. This was obviously a fiercely 'human' language that enabled simple handling of common tasks like eating, sleeping, dying, forfeit.
sir, the word "Meluha" is not a Sanskrit word; the elu, or ulu interfix is Dravidian in character and the Indus language is also called "Meluha" in Sumerian texts (though no text ever refers to it as "Tamil", which is a south Dravidian, not North Dravidian language).
Meluha or Beluha is modern day Beluhi or Brahui, the Dravidian language of Pakistan and remnant of the Harappan culture.
The words Meluha and its Sanskrit corruption Melecha are allomorphs of one another just as their modern versions, Beluchi and Brahui, are allomorphs of one another (being that M transitions into B from old to modern Brahui).
Good come on man... Why no Tamil in India?
Melecha only use for foreign kings ( so it was definitely the modified term for melekh or Melech ( meaning king in semetic language)
It is sumerian described India as meluha not we called it ( ancient Chinese called india sub-continent as Tianzhu = heavily land ) it does not mean this word has to be called or origin by us , people have liberty to call us anytime, if they like us they will give good name if they don't they can give as bad name
In ancient times, writing was kept to a minimum. No one wrote down sacred words or books. Shruti, 'Collective memory', was trusted above 'smruti' memory of the individual. So shruti and smruti are mentioned not 'likhit' - written word. So - writing is a later invention and Indus valley prob represents this initial foray into writing by our ancestors.
Hello sir, I am interested to read Vedas, and texts from chanakya. I do not know Sanskrit so I am looking for the most authentic translated version in English. Can you please suggest me any source which would be authentic and reliable in terms of translation. Many thanks for such awesome videos. Love your videos. School made me hate history and you got me addicted. It also changed my perception of self pride 🙏🙏🙏
@@johnkeatsin chanakya was absolutely real. He was described in kashmiri, jain and Buddhist references with lots of similarities, fiction does not find such expressions in different texts.
Shri P R Sarkar wrote :
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Aryans Had No Script
The Aryans did not have their own script and thus were first introduced to the [written] alphabet after coming in contact with the Dravidians. The Dravidians of the Harappa and Mahenjodaro civilizations of India were already using a script, the Saendhavii script; after the Aryan migration into India, that script became transformed into the Bráhmii and Kharośt́hi scripts.
The inconvenience that the non-Indian Aryans had faced for want of script no doubt disappeared after the Indianized Aryans learned it, but owing to their old superstitions, most of the Aryans were reluctant to put the Vedas in black and white. They refused to believe that the reason the Vedas were not written at the time of their composition was simply the lack of script. They adhered to their illogical reasoning even after the scripts came into being: they thought that the rśis had not written out the Vedas, one, because it was improper, and two, because the Vedas were named shruti. However, much later, in Kashmiira(2), the Vedas were written down in the Sáradá script in use there at the time. There was really no alternative to writing them down, because there was almost nobody left who knew all the Vedas by heart, and the number of people who knew even parts of them was very small. When the Kashmiira scholars finally did write down the Vedas, it was discovered that many parts of them were missing for good.
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From: Tantra and Indo-Aryan Civilization
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There are 2 point about the so called Harappan civilisation:-
1) It located western frontier of India.
So, there is a probability of some/much influence of outer India, basically Iran & centrel Asia
2) Harappa, Mahenjodaro are very rich and prosporus citis like Morden days Dubai
So, there is a possibility of a cosmopoliton population & culture. It may also possible that the the rich men/ruler of Indus Valley civilisation hire the best architect and best skilled person of other part of India and also other part of world (may be from basically from Iran & Central Asia) like Morden day Dubai.
There is also a possibility when the tred of Indus Valley civilisation was declined. Then the civilisation was also collapsed.
It is like, the thing, If some day the economy of Dubai will collapsed (which may impossible in near future), what happens with Dubai
Very recent research done by bangalorian.it shows Indus people spoke proto dravida language .
Not possible. Tamil is atleast 3500 km away and in between their are so many languages. You mean to say, when aryan arrived, Tamil left north and directly set into Tamil nadu?
@@yourmancj I can show you many articles claiming it to be sa sanskrit
@@yourmancj indian civilisation is continuation of IVC, biggest proof is Yog postures..shivlings..in many places they have found yaag kunds...now we have 4000 year old chariot in sanoli....
Yes! The basic soundings of all the languages is between o au and mm which is symbolically represented as 🕉
As I have read, the samples of the script are too few to be useful for deciphering. The ancient Egyptian script could be deciphered because a long passage in that script and its Greek translation were found inscribed on a single plaque. I recollect that Russians had claimed having deciphered the Harappan script with the help of computer some time in the early 70's (?). Their claim was rejected, probably because their interpretation contradicted the established ideas about the Sindhu-Saraswati civilization.
I love your Q n A session. It's so knowledgeable!!!
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There seems to be many scripts for Sanskrit. Brahmi, kharoshti, tankri, etc. Devnagri appeared likely very late. Infact, the Rig Vedic sanskrit itself is really advanced which also is lost. The rig vedic matras used in every occasion for yagna can't be comprehended easily at all.
#AskAbhijit who were the ahoms ? sir would be really great if you could make more videos on northeast empires
Shoma were a people from Thailand with their own religion but became Assamese and hindu
#AskAbhijit This time, Pls, take my question under consideration.
Q. won't it better having a common script for all indic languages, that is the brahmi script?
This step could encourage fellows to learn each other's language and expand samskrit while keeping regional languages alive?
Dhanyavada.
Yes
@@peoplesrepublicofunitedear2337 He didn't address my questions 😅
@@MrSoothsayer i answered on my behalf
@@peoplesrepublicofunitedear2337 I understood. Thank you 🌞
@@MrSoothsayer do you know how to write in Brahmi script?
There's simply no evidence for the RV being pre Indus. Rather a great deal of linguistics, genetic and archeological evidence of the RV being post Indus. I don't see this being a big deal. Modern Indians can still be proud of our Indus and Vedic heritage. The Indus civilization probably influenced Vedic customs. So there's continuity between the two cultures.
Lord Indra is called purendar ( destoyer of city ) term pura mean city and this word root origin from term "ura" from sumerian language , their are many word that found in rigvedic Sankrit that have same meaning in sumerian , so rigveda and Sankrit was spoken at the time when sumerian civilization and language was their ( Indus sumerian trade was happening)
Just imagine Abhijit sir and Praveen Mohan sir work together. #AbhijitChavda #PraveenMohan
When you think that Sanskrit is the only language of ancient India and sideline the others , this type of doubt arises...try to open up to all.. like tribal of India..will anyone think about their languages. This is purely egoistic and low sight towards the indegenous different cultures of ancient India.........
No one says sanskrit is the only language of ancient India. Tamil may be older but we are dead against these Tamils who deliberately want to abuse sanskrit.
We hope it happens sir 👍
And people will support this cause 👍
Thanks sir, u suggested using machine learning to Indentify the scripts since i am started to learning machine learning i would love try this one
There are already researchers working on it. Here's a reference for you
ua-cam.com/video/FHdiR_zd-c0/v-deo.html
Great to know this 🙏
Gurudev, demoglyphs of harappa on teracotta seal seems like carvings of many south temples bottom base and wall carving like man with sword, man with sword and shield , man with bow
Love your short videos 💕
#askabhijit Sir, if India was an urbanized civilization, why do we always hear that "असली भारत गांवों में बसता है" ??
Isn't it a big paradox??
In today's era, cities and towns are called urban areas whereas villages are called rural areas. The urban areas that we see today, cities and towns, are heavily westernized in all aspects from the dressing sense to architecture which you can check out for yourself by visiting such places. But, the rural areas, villages, are hardly westernized and, hence, reflect the true ancient Indian culture in all aspects which again you can check out for yourself by visiting such places. For example, the ancient act of retaining stem cells from umbilical cord in a yantra which is then worn around the neck or waist is still practiced in some Tamizh villages. Another example is children in some rural areas, even today, going to nearby temples for education. So, the essence of the then urbanized civilization of India can be found only in the rural areas of today. There are ocean of such examples if you do your homework (i.e., research) well enough ;).
Great videos, thanks!
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Sir, is No Borders No Nation One Civilization possible? And if yes then how?
Please share your views and opinions
Only possible if aliens attack us
Indeed, It is quite possible. But, to achieve that goal we all have to share a potential threat that can put our existence in danger. The very instinct known as Self preservation tends to destroy all the prejudices within us and drives us to put forth a set of objectives to save ours and our close ones pathetic arses. Still it is nothing but a Utopian dream nonetheless.
Abhijit ji KO Naman 🙏. Very Interesting discourse.
India spend 300 cores for for Sanskrit research where other language is India are doesn't get funding for research..
Because sanskrit was systematically destroyed by all invaders (christian and muslim) and the periyarists of TN. We as Hindus need to preserve a culture and tradition which has been deliberately destroyed by muslims, christians and Congress. Only then we can revive it. Then why do we have reservations. Let the lower castes come up by themselves
Nice answer......🙏
There is a presentation by Yajnadevam in Sangam talks Channel in which he has deciphered the script…. Please watch the video and analyse
5:10 This speculation does not hold any weight, as Shrikant Talageri rightly points out the Vedic hymns were composed by rishis who dwelled in forests. It does not mean that urban cities did not exist.
I completely agree with you Amit, cities existed in the Rig Veda phase of India's history.
I don't understand why ppl have this much disregard towards Dravidian languages, why shouldn't it be a Dravidian language, how does that undermine sanskrit, whichever was older, both should be taken into account, why is indian civilization only referred to as vedic, what about agamic scriptures, the yogic and siddhars philosophies? It's the philosophy that is important for us indians not a language.
In addittion of the mentioned reasons, i think the volume of the scripts in various forms is too little for any meaningful deciphering.
What are the evidences which start to emerge that the script are from Sanskrit ( brahmia karoshtia script) as you mentioned in 2:32 ?
there are some languages which were called Praakrit such as Mythili, Paisachi etc. Paisachi might be mother of current Marathi or gujarati (i don't exactly know). similarly, harappan language might also be such Praakrit language, which was not influenced by Sanskrit like other Praakrit languages.
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 Praakrit and Samskrit are different, no Praakrit language originated from Sanskrit. They are local dialects. Praakrit were colloquial languages when they started, whereas Sanskrit was and still is a literary language. But, many Praakrit languages have later incorporated vocabulary based on Sanskrit. This happened later, not when they first started.
It may not be Aryan theory, but there is a proof of dravidian languages being used. Have you heard of Bruhui language, which is spoken in parts of balochistan, has striking similarities to Tamil.
Since most of the part is in Pakistan. India & Pakistan should come together and work for it. Keeping aside religious belief and animosity.
We share common ancestry and must work together in R&D without taking credits.
Egyptian civilisation is open to world. Now, world should know more about Indus Valley Civilisation.
Deep understanding of Vedic
Imagery words uncluttered VISION
Essential
The PRESENT study is circumscribed by its own definition
And western tool dependence based on its VALUES and cuturAL
Superior attitude
We can crowd fund, we urge someone to start the work
I mean basically we need to know what was important to people. And then what they needed to communicate to individuals or audiences as a result. The needed water but sometimes this was interrupted. Food was essential, disease was inevitable, things were not easy. Birth, death, hope, despair. It's all hidden in those texts like a comic or something.
It has been deciphered and it is Tamil, but none than Tamils can understand it. One has to learn Tamil deeply to understand it.
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i may have deciphered the indus script, especially dholavira signboard. I will make a video on this later and posted on youtube.
Just a thought; Maybe it is sanskrit or some pre or post version of it but it is not written like we're used to. Maybe they used different 'akshars'
#AskAbhijitChavda, #AskAbhijitShow, can you please make a video on 'PANDU RAJAR DHIBI', archeological site of West Bengal, which is almost 4000 years old and also on 'CHANDRAKETUGARH' ? I am really happy to see, when Tamizh brothers know about Keezhadi and Adichanallur sites... and also sad, when most of the Bengalis don't know about those mentioned sites, excavated in West Bengal. Waiting for your reply, sir.
I would like to see you collabrrate with Praveen Mohan , he has a youtube channel
#AskAbhijith who were the Etruscans? Did they originate from India, who subsequently gave Romans their distinct culture?
What about the similarities of chinese gujiao script with the IVC script ? It us supposed to have derived from IVC and is actually IVC read upside down....dunno if that's legit....
It truly doesn’t require tons of money or technology. We have now some genius living language experts who could likely decipher this script in a years time if they focused on it. Funding their research would make that happen.
We should do something to digitise the old manuscripts, all types , from all places in India
Recent research shows that Vedic people and Indus valley civilisation people are the same.
You're right.
Recent research done in the fantasies of Tanatan vedick drummers
Try to find out on your own.
If we go by the continental drift theories, the Indian landmass purportedly broke from the African land mass and was an island for many thousands of years before hitting the Asian land mass. Could it be that it was a flourishing civilization then. The dark skin theory may also be explained thus. I believe humanity is much older than it is believed to be and it is on the upsurge as may have happened before too.
That happened thousands of years before the first people were in India.
#AskAbhijit One more popular claims made by Western historians that Harappan civilization never used Horse for warfare ,is it true or initial days of Civilization did they used horses and How did monarchy system from Vedic culture became kind of panchayat system in civilization and again in turn became monarchy system in post Harappan era??
How old is Jainism? sir explain it in your way
Where do you think Sumerians invented writting? In Mesopotamia or prior to their coming there?
#AskAbhijith Did Tamil language originate independently to Sanskrit? Tamil seems to have the least influence from Sanskrit.As I understand this is what caused the linguistic division between North Indian and south Indian languages?
Have you read the oldest known grammer books of any of these two languages? ( Aṣṭādhyāyī - Samskrtam & Tholkappiyam - Tamizh)
If you compare them both,you will know which language originated first...Add to that,the author of Tholkappiyam, Tholkappiyar is a disciple of Sage Agasthiya who is extensively mentioned in Rg Veda and other puranas.
@sabarinath krishnan what do u mean by south indian languages???dude except tamil all the other languages are heavily influenced by Sanskrit.......
@@soorajvasu2714 Agastiya is considered the father of tamil language. If you go by that, then obviously Sanskrit is older as there were people living in India before Agastya.
@@terabantai4235 Did you read my question? I did mention among the south Indian languages tamil is least influenced by Sanskrit. By south Indian I mean Malayalam, Tamil, kannada and Telugu.
@@terabantai4235 "Tamil has least influence from Sanskrit", ? Look at Tamil Script sir, with 12 vowels and 18 consonants, most Sanskrit words would have lost their pronounciation. Tamizh has less consonant clusters, thereby making pronounciation and speech easier and if manner and tone is sweet, It is honey to the ears. But still if you dig up behind words, they will have a common origin, but simplified and sweet. Tamizh extensively uses front teeth than most languages.
You don't know the reason and just hypothesizing about it being shorthand and all that. You mean to say shorthand survived and the main script did not. Also, world renowned language experts have been trying to decipher the Harapa language for years. Even the Egyptian hieroglyphs were deciphered by an outsider without any funding. Do you remember who deciphered King Asoka's language on his edicts and pillars, an Englishman. Have Indians deciphered anything as of yet, anything? About the Aryan invasion theory, have you read "The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey" by the Geneticist Spencer Wells that painstakingly gives a point to point description of human migration and distribution of DNA markers. Just because you are prejudiced to something does not mean it is correct when the evidence is against it.
He is a godi bhakt
@@rzrmail cope dumb leftist.
@@umax870you're just obsessed with sanatan
Great idea : to use AI/ML to match it to a most similar linguistic signature .
It's already being used by Indian researchers. Here's a reference: ua-cam.com/video/FHdiR_zd-c0/v-deo.html
You are going a great work , Abhijit Ji , how can we help you and become part of the your work ?
Would like to work with you and help you on you research.
I can help you in the ML part of it.
There's already a good amount of research being done a handful of researchers in TIFR. ua-cam.com/video/FHdiR_zd-c0/v-deo.html for your reference
#AskAbhijit Sir, is it possible that it may be deciphered but it may contain some information that's the truth about the civilization?
Short hand theory is interesting because in English short hand is used to easy language and for time saving....great logic🕉️🇮🇳🕉️
Pranaam Prabhu....
Scarcity of fund or unwillingness of government is a totally wrong logic.
You must have a near similar or linked script which can help you to decipher the other script.
But the Indus valley civilization is so ancient that no other script existed then which we know.
That is why it is still unread.
For an example, hieroglyphic can not be read without discovering Rosetta stone which acted as a translator through ancient Greek language.
Sir i have many questions on history and myth,, how can i ask you ?...
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Could harappa or Indus valley civilization happen to exist during the same period or sometime after Mahabharata ?
sir if aryan vedic texts are written before Harappan civilisation then why Vedas mentions iron tools but Harappan never used them
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Sir airavatham Mahadevan used artificial intelligence and failed to decipher right?
Is Vedic civilisation and Indus civilisation contemporary? Plz tell me. I am stuck and confused.
If rig veda talks about period before indus valley civilization which was rural and urbanization happened later in the progress. My question is that why urbanization happened only in indus valley civilization, why we don't find any archaeological remains of urban cities of gangetic plains if there were any cities ? Simply why we see urbanization only in IVC and not in gangetic plains.
The IVC Saraswathy area was extremely huge considering the popualtion at that time. RV talks only about this area. Gangetic plains might have been populated with their own culture but not connected to RV till late RV phase
In order to be convinced that Harappan civilisation is Post-vedic, we first need to sure that Veda is more than 5500-6000 years old.
Can you please make a video on what kind of evidences we have on that
I think to day you can take the help of technology to identify letters. More over Harappan is around 2500 years old. There need not be any big reason for ambiguity of this script ,when some coloqual languages have have already taken a form of script using kharoshki and prakrut letters has taken a shape. However even if the historians conclude that it is Dravidian civilization or script what is wrong in calling it as Indian? Whether Aryans invaded or not, or if there is no demarcation between Aryan and Dravidian finally all are Indian. If you examine Egyptian culture you find names that are very similar to Tamil names. Swamy vivekananda says pharoes are from Malabar coast. The same thing might apply here also the same dravidians might have had their empire here.The Dravidian script altogether might have wiped out and replaced by sanskrit alphabets during the couse of time.. Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, and Malayalees use the same alphabets of Sanskrit. But Tamil misses few alphabets like Ga Ja Da da Ba. Instead they use Ka cha ta ta pa in the place of above letters. Gandhi is written in Tamil as Kanti. They have one extra alphabet which no other language has. So it is evident that original Dravidian Script has vanished but it is still remaining in spoken form. It can also be viewed in perspective of Sura, Asura. Kerala was ruled by Asura king Mahabali. The dynasties might be following the asura culture, which our popular culture disapproves. Shiva is the primary lord for Asuras. Sukracharya is their guru. For Suras it is Vishnu who is the rescuer. Their guru is Brihaspathi, Jupiter. We can see from our puranas though asuras are dominated by bad qualities all asuras are not depicted as bad. Suras and asuras had interpersonal relations within and marriages too. We see some Vishnu bhaktas even in Asuras. That way for the time being if you allocate the status of Asuras to dravidians both Suras and Asuras are children of the same father. Those who are predominantly dominated by Asuri qualities like lust, greed, and violent practices ( tamasik ) they are Asuras. Tbe Suras who have satvik nature and harmless and who have devotion and sraddha towards lord are bhaktas of Satvik God Vishnu. They do not harm any one. But often defeated by militant Asuras. We see that both these cultures are existing in Indian society. Those who practice vedic rites are Suras and Brahmarishis, they are considered as Aryan tribe, Those who destroy those vedic rites and oppose these rites are non aryan tribes. But basically their pantheon of gods remain same. The same we can see in Zorostranism too. They hype asuras. As victory of asuras is akways seen as temporary and against dharma they are not revered by us.
What's your views Rongorongo script having some similarity with Indus Valley script?