Good, Bad, and Ugly - What CBO Should You Use?
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- Multiple CBOs have been approved by the FAA, which one is right for you?
Only three have been approved so far: Flite Test Community Association, FPV Freedom Coalition, and Academy of Model Aeronautics. Each of these has nuanced rules but this video will clear everything up for you.
CBO Cheat Sheet: www.dropbox.com/s/3v6rmqy2w19...
00:00 Introduction
00:16 What is a CBO?
01:46 How to Fly Under a CBO
02:49 Flying Near/Over People
04:47 VLOS
07:02 AMA Nuggets
07:21 Night Operations
FTCA Guidelines: ftca.flitetest.com/safety-gui...
FPV Freedom Coalition Guidelines: fpvfc.org/safety-guidelines
AMA Guidelines: www.modelaircraft.org/sites/d...
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Pilot Institute should be a CBO. As I have received more training, legal explanations, certifications, and continuing education..from Pilot Institute, then any other organization.
Unfortunately we don't qualify since we're not a non-for-profit organization. The good news is, we are happy to work closely with FTCA and FPVFC and both these organizations have been at the forefront of the hobby in the 21st century!
Read my mind!!!
Yeah why not guys
I agree, common sense guidelines.
Greg, you are doing so much good for the drone community. Thank you for everything you do.
Thank you for doing this comparison. I was a member of AMA and found their mentorship regarding quads was very limited. I didn't know about FPV Coalition. Very glad to hear about it from this video.
I watched all the way through even though I am a Part 107 Pilot. So glad I went the 107 route.with your Part 107 Made Easy Course. Now when I fly I won't have to jump through hoops to comply! Thanks Pilot Institute!
Thank you for another very clear cut video. I've already shared it with a couple of drone groups.
Thank you very much again for the very clear and easy to understand instructions. I agree with another comment I saw on this video. Pilot Institute shoud be a CBO. My best info has been absorbed from this channel. Keep up the great work.
Thank you for this useful information. As a previous president of an AMA club years ago, please remember that the AMA rules were originally written to apply to their airfields which also include insurance to cover them as part of their membership. They are trying to adapt to the quickly growing drone industry.
Getting closer and closer to reading like the U.S. tax code.
Great video, so much good information for drone pilots. Thanks for sharing.
Great video I’ve always wondered about the fee AMA is asking for.
Hi Greg, Great video. I am a member of the AMA. Thank you again for sponsoring our 3rd Annual South Florida Drone Meetup in Jensen Beach, FL on April 1, 2023. The attendees will love receiving your Lanyards and Stickers. Hope you can coordinate your dates at Sun and Fun and join us.
We're happy to do so!
Thank you for the clarifications!!!!
Was curious to watch about this and started to wonder what I'd missed since it was saying it would be required, but when you said this doesn't apply to those with a Part 107 it made so much more sense. Time and time again I'm SO glad I went the Part 107 route. Still watched the video to stay up to date with the info presented!
Just remember that if you do any recreational flying ( even as a part 107 holder ) these CBO rules would then apply to you. At least I am pretty sure that would be the case.
@@5zero7RC Fair. I typically classify all my flights as Commercial to be tied to my Part 107 so any photos or videos I take is something I can plan to sell or on the off chance ends up making me any sort of income I'd be covered.
It actually appears that they are trying to push all of us to get part 107. I bought the Pilot Institute course, so I suppose I am going to have to actually use it and take the test.
@@vonheise LOL I mean it was nice to get to know several things pilots know and I liked having much more freedom on where to fly for having it. For my Part 107 I watched a youtube video from Tony and Chelsea Northrup's channel covering it, did a free flashcard phone app, and passed with a 90-something. Majority of my test, around 70% of the test, was reading aeronautical charts for my area and listing what was there, what class of airspace were you in and what was the floor and/or ceiling in that tier, what were some tower radio communication signals, and could you fly a drone there.
Some of the questions I knew the answers because of skydiving, but I think there was only 1 I'd never come across that had to do with plane lift, drag, and angle.
I got my TRUST certificate via the AMA, Greg, long before they were 'approved', so I guess I'm safe there. And thank you again for meeting with me, even if it was outside your HQ at Gateway.
Excellent video. Very helpful. Thanks Greg and crew.
I too would be thrilled if Pilot Institute forked a non-profit CBO in order to provide sensible guidelines. I hope you will consider it. Thanks for all you do.
Nice summary!
Thank you for this great information.
Moree great information.Thank you
I fly on private property through heavily wooded areas where an observer would not be able to see it. If that is considered dangerous then they need to find new people to set the rules. Once sensible rules are set I will be all for following them, registering and getting necessary license. Until then I just fly like I always have. Thumbs up for the video as always.
It’s not about safety. It’s about control.
This is great info!!! And also reinforces my decision to drop my AMA membership... $$$$$ One reason I started doing this is to save money. Otherwise, I would start flying manned aircraft again...
Thank You for that ! ! !
AMA has been messing up really big for years with all the "Drone" stuff ramping up over the past decade. I hope this CBO thing gets more clubs away from requiring AMA Membership. Making people pay in to a group that has not really provided much back to the community for a long time. The AMA would have so much more support if they had been the ones to sue the FAA instead of RDQ. The AMA requiring membership for anything that is listed in their CBO rules was something we where all worried about and something that was supposed to not be allowed. The CBO rules is supposed to be very separate from AMA by laws and membership rules.
Wow, thank you so much for this video. I bought my drone last summer and I had no idea there was so many rules and regulations. I’m studying for the part 107 so I don’t have to worry about all this stuff but as of right now, I’m a little hesitant to even fly for fun 😅
You’ll have even more to worry under 107. It’s not cut and dry like 44809.
@@rrbcap how so? I don’t know much about this yet. Is 107 still worth getting or is there something better to be certified under?
good info!!
Thanks Greg. Happy New Year to you also. Q? I bought a Mavic Mini 2 for my son, to fly recreationally. He is a truck driver, and will soon be driving coast to coast. He takes a lot of camera shots where he is, and when he's stopped he is planning on using the drone for taking pictures and video as well. Will he have to join more than one CBO, because he will be in so many different communities as he travels? Mostly he is interested in scenic stuff. I have recommended software to him (thanks to you as well) to identify no fly zones, and he knows about national parks. But this CBO thing I never thought about in relationship to his job. Sorry for the length of the question. Thanks for any response.
The organizations mentioned in the video are national. He just needs to pick one, become familiar with its guidance and print a copy to provide if the situation arises. I’m pretty much in the same boat.
Thank you!
Thank you for your great videos as always! For future, the text popping up all over the screen is very distracting.
Thanks Greg
Thank you Greg! :-)
Thank you
Great info and comparison, Greg. Always enjoy your info and glad I'm 107 licensed through your course. Maybe I am misunderstanding something. Most of the CBO guidelines seem similar. However, if one section doesn't work for someone, they can just work under a different one. In other words, if I don't like the speed limit on one road, I can find another set of rules that has a different speed limit. It seems to defeat the purpose of us all operating under the same rules. Am I missing something?
I think your comment definitely has merit. I think the idea here is that there's a basic set of rules, and then an additional set of guidelines (via CBOs) for specific type of drone operations.
I don't think it's necessarily the same as a different "speed limit" but I see it more as different rules depending if you're driving a car vs driving a truck.
@@PilotInstitute Thanks.
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Finally it's explain Great job with this video become a CBO !!
Hi, thank you for your video on CBOs, very useful information. Would it make sense to copy one's selected CBO rules .pdf to a thumbdrive attached to one's TRUST lanyard?
I'd recommend having a copy available in your phone as PDF. Don't think you need it on a thumbdrive.
Being an AMA member, I'm finding some of these stipulations to be a bit concerning. Hopefully this video help to shed some light on the matter and get them resolved. 👍
Working on 107 class from Greg but what cbo should I use till I take my test? Have a mini3
When I first got my drone I had no clue there was actually any difference between CBO's. I went through Embry Riddle Aeronautical University out of Florida.
With all these new rules where do can we fly again? Night training ? Where do we go to get the night flight training - already took yours and the one on the FAA website - does this count or do we need one from them too.
You don't need night training unless you're following the AMA guidelines, which we don't recommend. For other guidelines, no night training is required, but if you did our free module, you're ahead of the game!
Great video, I love hearing about more overreaching rules to take away the freedom of doing something your passionate about so big entities can make money and gain power in the name of SAFETY inforced by three letter government employees on a power trip that love to tell you that its a privilege that they'll grant you if you pay.
I agree a lot of regulation, but then you have to consider that there are a lot of drone flyers who have done stupid things and even have jeopardized others lives. The bottom line is regulations stemmed from people that have done stupid things. Unfortunately like most things we are impacted by the stupid acts of others. It's the FAA's duty to keep airways safe for everyone. If you fly safely and obey the regulations you are fine. If not you are part of the problem.
@@deccma
How many lives have been lost to a drone?
I will not OBEY and I will not be a problem. Don't fly high and don't fly around vehicles or planes........
Punish the stupid, not everyone because of one stupid and thats not even the point they're just doing Amazon and Walmart's bidding because they want all the drone airspace.
Your just a sheep that likes being told what to do.
@@HamptonFPV You miss the point. Would you fly in a plane if there had been no previous accidents where people had been killed, but the FAA had no laws or regulations to keep everyone safe? A drone can take down a plane.
@@deccma
There have been many plane accidents and many people have died on planes with the FFA keeping us (safe) so I don't get your point.
Do you want to put a tracker on every bird that weights over 250 grams?
There are alot of birds that are way bigger then most drones and fly in flocks that have taken down many planes. How many planes have been downed by a drone?
A bird can take down a plane!
So, can we fly for recreational purpose without being part of CBO by following FAA guidelines? I am lost. Is there any local CBO where I can go on ground and fly my drone? Please help. Thanks.
At 9:05 you refer to an update in an AC related to "ground level". Which AC is that?
AC 91-57C
Under the VLOS section. I thought the FAA said that a VO had to be able to communicate with the pilot without technological assistance. When did they change this rule?
Not under part 107.
What are the requirements for the cbo guidelines as a pilot? Do you have to keep a printed or accesible copy on you or something?
You should be able to tell the FAA which guidelines you follow so we recommend printing them or having them available electronically.
@@PilotInstitute Cool 👍🏼
Wonder if the aloft app will allow us to add that info to our profile… 🤔
Dang, thank you.
Thank you for this video. It was great. Sadly, the FAA has grounded me since I'm a solo fpv flier. Thanks, FAA, for rendering a few thousand in equipment useless.
Unfortunately flying solo FPV has not been something the FAA has allowed for a really long time. The CBO guidelines didn't change that. :( ( and most fpv pilots already ignore that rule)
@@5zero7RC 2018 wasn't a "really long time ago" and honestly, FPV pilots SHOULD ignore it. You can see where the quad is going just like the pilot in an air craft can see where they're flying it so the rule makes no sense. The national speed limit isn't 55mph anymore for a reason.
The FPV Freedom Coalition’s Safety Guidelines state right in the title - and the first sentence - that they are “for recreational use of an FPV aircraft.” So are photography drone pilots allowed to apply these rules to their photography drones? (And if so, will my local police officer believe that?)
I was surprised to see that they added the FPV mention at the top. With that said, any drone with a camera could be considered First Person View since you're looking at what the drone is looking at. But yes I know what you're saying.
You mentioned a "cheat sheet in the description", but I don't see it.
www.dropbox.com/s/3v6rmqy2w19h3va/Summary%20CBO.pdf?dl=0
When completing my Trust Certificate I picked AMA because that is the only one I every heard of. To switch to a different CBO, do I have to do anything special (retake or select something online) or is just up to me to “state i follow a certain CBO” verbally to any authority that asks?
You can pick any CBO you want, regardless of who you did your TRUST certificate with.
Can you clarify if I need to take the 107 test if I only intend to fly my drone for recreation but it weighs more than 250 grams? As I understand it, I will need to register with FAA but I'm confused if "registering" means passing a 107?
Part 107 is only for flights that are not recreational. If you're flying recreationally, regardless of size, you don't need it.
Registration is different, you need that for drones over 250 grams. You can do it here for $5 for 3 years: faadronezone.faa.gov
@@PilotInstitute Thanks for the quick response and clarity!
I figured we would need rules and guidelines to fly drones. Good! Thank you! That eliminates a lot dumb shit!
I dont think so but wanted to ask, does this effect string flyers at all ? Theres some string nitro guys at my park and always curious what they have to worry about. Would go talk to them, but they dont seem to like us much :/
I'm 99% sure string flyers are still considered Unmanned Aircraft so they would follow these rules.
@PilotInstitute Kitesurfers may also worry about it ;) It flies on the strings too )
They're just glorified kites... so I wouldn't think so, but clarification should be in order. Remote Id would be pointless since there is literally string connecting the pilot to the aircraft. No confusion about who's in control or where they are.
If they are self propelled (ie, gas piston or battery powered motor), then they are "aircraft". Kites I suspect would fall under glider category. Otherwise if anyone wants to fly their paper airplane outside will have to afix a remote ID to it. Now the real question is how can I find a light enough RID module for my rubber band powered airplanes, lol, jk. As long as their under 250 grams I should be good right?
After downloading the FPV Guidelines, I found that, while reasonable, they really are FPV and not general sUAS oriented. Unfortunate. The most reasonable solution at first glance isn’t as appropriate as I hoped.
As Part 107 Pilot, I believe I should still be flying under TRUST if not “being useful/doing work”, which for me is a fair percentage of my time. Others here are figuring that they have their Part 107 and can ignore the CBO Guideline business even when flying recreationally. What is the bottom line here?
Well, I haven't seen this question. Do we just state which CBO we are following, or do we need to print out something? I guess it's time to break down and get the 107.
I would recommend printing the guidelines and havin them available in your flight bag.
@@PilotInstitute Excellent, thanks.
When will this new rules comes into effect?
They are in effect now.
Very interesting. I wish there was another drone class for “toy”. I fly 18 to 25gram quads as a sponsored pilot under part 107. Unfortunately all this ends in sept. I have to dissolve all the sponsorships and competitiveness of it to keep flying recreationally.
It seems like there ought to be a different set of guidelines for tiny whoops in recognition of their light weight, limited range due battery size and built in prop protection.
@@fpvcruzer yes exactly they have less weight, speed, range, and flight time than the average unladen swallow!
Remote ID is not required for drones below 250g so you should be fine is September
@@matthewb840 It is required even on 18gram quads when you're sponsored, or on a gig, winning prizes, or monetizing a UA-cam channel.
@@Shauny_D do you mean for part 107? I was talking about for recreational use for 44809
Wait... so I have to bring a friend along to fly FPV? What if you don't ever have anyone to go fly with you?
Correct (for outdoor flight) - seeing the camera view through your goggles does not count as Visual Line Of Sight according to the FAA.
Sadly yes.
This has been the case for a while now. The CBO guidelines didn't suddenly create this restriction, the previous rules did. :(
If there's anything I take from this, it's that the US regulations are a big mess. It feels really arbitrary to choose between three sets of rules that aren't even established by the government. It makes it really ambiguous what you can or cannot do.
All these were approved by the FAA.
Then you have State Rules too.
@@PilotInstitute Approved, not designed. One device following different rules based on the pilot's choice is extremely arbitrary.
@@unusedTV To a certain extent, they are designed by the FAA since all CBOs have to follow the advisory circular AC.91-57C to get approved. But yes, I agree that a lot of this seems to be very arbitrary.
Collocated could mean at voice distance?
This is from the FAA Advisory Circular AC 91-57C: For a VO to be considered co-located with the recreational flyer, the VO should be close enough to the recreational flyer to be able to communicate directly with him or her without the use of technological assistance and without creating a distraction to the recreational flyer.
Note that this is only a requirement under 49 USC 44809 and not under Part 107.
@@PilotInstitute good definition, at yelling distance :) makes sense, having an technological apparatus would make flying less safe since you would need to handle more things
so, under FPV, I have NO restrictions or guidelines for flying at night????
Correct. No additional restrictions other than the ones during the day.
As Greg says, no ADDITIONAL restrictions. The usual rules apply about maintaining visual line of sight etc. So you may find that adding a light at night can increase your visual line of sight for you drone, but is not required if you can otherwise maintain sight of it.
So when are you suppose to choose a CBO? And who are you suppose to tell which one you chose?
Before any flight you pick one (it likely won’t change over time). You would tell the FAA if they asked you who you are following.
What about STEM+C CBO?
They were approved after we made this video. They are a great option too.
As a beginner I still dont get how these CBOs can have conflicting guidelines and we can pick and choose when we want to follow what fits us? I understand the FAA has bigger fish to fry than recreational drone activity, but are they regulating these CBOs and their "takes" on what is conforming? Its like they deputized these orgs
Can l fly my drone at night at uncontrolled airspace as a recreational pilot
Yes.
So flying over people under 44809 has been completely squashed legally now?
Yes.
What does this mean, Choose a CBO? Need to do what, exactly? I'm new.
Go to pilotinstitute.com and do their free drone course. It will cover tons and tons of stuff.
I'm a little uncomfortable with the fact that we are being held legally responsible to follow the guidelines of organizations that do not make laws.
Having recently passed the Part 107, can I just tell any official, if asked, that I'm just trying to capture some footage with the hopes of making some money, even though I'm not on a "job"?
You can fly recreationally under part 107 so by all means, follow part 107 for all your flights, I certainly do.
@@PilotInstitute thanks for the clarification...
Are we going to be locked into using only one of three CBOs? Flying a camera drone is different than FPV, or fixed wing, and IMO should have different guidelines.
Right now, there are only 3 approved CBOs. I'm sure there will be more approved soon.
@@PilotInstitute I believe there are 5 other applications in review.
Our guess is that there might be a few more CBO applications in review based on the ID numbers we have seen. AMA was application #1, FPVFC was application #2, FTCA was application #8.
This whole thing has gotten very convoluted quickly and will probably either put a lot of people off the hobby or they will just fly without the guidelines as they already have been. That being said if I understand the video I just have to choose a set of "guidelines" that I say I'm following. I don't have to register with any of the CBOs and then when I get my 107 I'm back to the FAA "guidelines" only.
Guidelines are not regulations or laws so curious how they could even punish you for not following any of them. They are more like suggested practices in my opinion.
This video is NOT sponsored by the AMA!
Haha. To be fair, nobody ever sponsors our videos so you'll always get raw information from us :) The good, the bad, and the ugly.
This has become so mind numbingly convoluted that I've put my Part 107 on the back burner...for now. If nothing else, this sets a lot of otherwise law abiding citizens up for a fall. I bet I don't have five hours flight time on my Air 2S. Here is my recommendation...put out one video with instructions. Go here, do that. Period. And update as times change. Because at this point it's just a turn off, conglomeration of info that the average person is going to walk away from.
Part 107 would circumvent this.
A radio-controlled aircraft 250 grams ( ~0.55 pounds ) and heavier must be registered with the FAA to fly, even recreationally?! Or are these the 55 pound, and heavier, aircraft?
Anything over 0.55 lbs (250 grams).
@@PilotInstitute WOW!!! Basically anything that can fly in a breeze!
What is CBO? Chicken, Bacon and Onion or Cheddar Bacon Onion :) And which better for you :)
Chicken, Bacon, all Organic.
So confusing and why non compliance will rule the future
🙂👍
I register every drone I own even if under 250g.
What did you say? :)
You should become a CBO. Just register a non profit and have your free sticker through it that way you qualify.
It's a bit more involved than that and a bit outside of what our mission is right now.
Thank you for doing this! It’s so helpful for staying within the law.
I do feel that we shouldn’t need to view everything we do as citizens as a “privilege”..
Government overreach at it's worst.
Best thing to do.....Part 107......not that hard.....period
The AMA not only offers you membership and locations to fly safely. Once you pay for your membership you have insurance coverage for any mishaps that may occur. That being said, since fixed wings aircraft are mostly powered by combustion engines and carry fuel on them it is understandable that flying over an occupied building is prohibited. It is not the same to hit a house with an electric quad than with a fixed wing loaded with either nitromethane or jet fuel. I fly fixed wings for the past 28 years, and a few years ago started flying drones and I got my 107. So it is understandable going back to the AMA issue that since they insure you, you have to comply. By the way the fee is only $75.00 paid once a year. Last time I checked it covered $2,500 000.
September 2023, stop trying to be the guy to make the first one to tell YOU WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO! Bow down! Die! I'm going to go fly regardless what the knuckleheads are doing. CBO These nuts
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@@PilotInstitute Redundancy, some boneheads need to be told over and over again how to be safe. Most of the people that will be involved in regulating and enforcement are unlikely to be qualified pilots. Blowhard politicians are like, "we can make as much wind with our mouths as the drones do" This is why so many people will go sub250g with events indoors and the FAA and the Karens can eat at Joes Crotch Shack
СВО - это интересная аббревиатура
The government has not ruened another wonderfull thing!
.The first AMA rule shown deals with free flight (non radio controlled) models. Don't mix your aircraft!!!! VLOS assistance are to be beside the pilot, not a long distance from them. This is a wrong assumption. AMA membership is not required to follow their rules of safe flying. Don't confuse the issue. Any exceptional fees that might be charged are part of the liability insurance plan that comes with membership in the organization. Do the other groups have insurance for it's followers? If not I think that you motivations are suspect when explaining the AMA. I support your right to fly, just wish you would be honest about it.
No confusion here. The FAA is clear that access to guidelines MUST be free. If you charge a fee, that's not free. Insurance is completely different here and is not the fee we are referring to. Membership is allowed to those who want to use private AMA facilities, that's not what we are talking about here.
I guess this is the way of the world, but a lot of people are using so many acronyms to represent several different things to the point it seems as though people are becoming lazy just to speak now.
Aviation has always been full of acronyms.
For the most part, CBO is a joke and uninforcable. Unless they somehow manage to make it a part of your ability to launch don't see how it matters. Just print out all the CBO's guidelines, keep them in your bag and if someone asks, just pull out one that meets your current situation. But, honestly, other then FAA agents who is going to ask?
Non compliance is the only way to stop the bs