you can hand-draw sliders in lazer
Вставка
- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- one month remains before ranked play is planned for osu!(lazer). are we on track? will we reach the deadline?
probably, yes.
peppy and pishifat walk through some of the newest additions to osu! and you're here to listen. this update includes stuff like hand (mouse?) drawn sliders, hp drain revisions, unstable rate calculations, and uhh other stuff
try lazer for yourself: osu.ppy.sh/home/download
read the full changelog: osu.ppy.sh/home/changelog/laz...
lazer is the next major update to osu!. learn about it: • what is lazer?
00:00 hand-drawn sliders
01:39 ux and skinning
02:53 last-minute game balance
04:37 spectator and technical stuff - Ігри
I just want to see the updated AR/OD/HP when using DT
huh? They are going to change it?
2:15 i feel like the color of the skin editor button here could get a different color instead of the same as beatmap editor
It's honestly quite impressive how far Lazer has come in a short space of time. Props to all of the developers making the next generation of Osu a new experience for everyone 🙂
These updates instantly improve my day ❤
osu!*
Thaths important
I would love to have the UR bar be visible even after shift + tab
Yeah, having the UR bar on, but the rest of the HUD off during gameplay is how a large percentage of people play osu in stable. The only way to replicate this in lazer also makes it so you can't check your accuracy or combo or whatever during breaks like a lot of people do. It has always been really strange to me that lazer still doesn't have this important functionality.
@@Sleepteiner Yeah having a UR bar visible on shift+tab is pretty useful for me since i can glance at it for a tiny bit and act accordingly
i think you can just do this by deleting everything else in the editor but that wouldnt be the same for u guys (thats how i play it and have no problems with it)
edit: maybe they can add an "alternative state" for the skins where there are 2 states of the skin you can edit separately (or more); and you can switch out between them during gameplay. first state would only be the ur bar and the 2nd state would be whatever you want or vice versa
would be good for the people who use it that way but I don't like the hit error bar being visible.
Would any of you be interested in the ability to have two versions of limited visibility, alongside full on and off? hi-vis would be the most that you might want to see, lo-vis would be the least, full on could be everything and off could be nothing. For Etterna (update of stepmania, which is a clone of ddr, and plays kinda like osu!mania), I turn off everything except the error bar - no judgements, combo, health, song time, strikeline (can't remember what it's called exactly) - literally the only thing visible are the notes, and the error bar (pretty much the equivalent of the bar under the big number at 4:05, but it sits basically dead center of the screen. it gives me an idea of my current accuracy without needing to see the noisy judgement text). It would be nice to set that as my "off" state, to have a lo-viz state that includes current percent, song time, and health, a hi-viz state that includes maybe song name, judgements, notes per second, and a full viz that adds in the strikeline, my name, song difficulty, nps graph, goal accuracy, judgement counter, and whatever else is missing. I think it would be cool to have customizable states of visibility basically, because sometimes I want to play with everything off, and sometimes it would be nice to only turn certain things on at the press of a button, maybe even mid song. (if i could hit tab to toggle lo-viz from off for example, that would be awesome. on breaks, i could hit tab and get the remaining song time, my current percent accuracy, and my current health. hit tab again and it goes away.)
So cool seeing the work on lazer throughout the year. Keep it up!
I really am amazed by the many changes of lazer in the last few weeks. Glad you guys are doing so much to match stable as much as possible!
My suggestion to Osu!Mania on mobile is instead of making the columns wider and tapping them, just devide the whole screen into 4 other columns to tap them. It’s the same system as Funky Friday in Roblox if you don’t know what I mean. Thx for the update btw.
This absolutely needs to be at least at a setting you can enable
That or buttons you could set around your screen
Theres osumania on mobile???
@@normal_randomperson wdym. Ofc osu!mania is inside osu! and also osu!lazer
@@normal_randomperson osu!lazer (which has all the other gamemodes) is on android and ios
this editing is great man
What about UR only being visible right after playing or watching a replay, will that ever change? It's quite an annoyance
yeah, eventually this will change. we need to make things fast enough to calculate this without running through the replay.
@@DeanHerbertMooCowsince my last time trying lazer my performance issues are almost gone and I play on a low end system so you guys are doing a great job with Lazer👍
@@DeanHerbertMooCow What about storing the UR in the replay file itself? After you play through an osu! map, the UR is already calculated. So when downloading the replay, just store the UR somewhere in the replay file.
@@wishing_pearlLazar ☠️ Peppy does NOT work on the game with a biblical figure 😭
@@user-fg3dz5kv7q a spelling mistake doesn't change the fact that lazer has improved very fast in the recent times and i will edit it thanks!
Super satisfied with the new UR, which has had its speed adjusted to suit DT and HT, because now I can determine the playing speed to better suit my UR without being subjective like the calculation of the previous UR.🎉
the condensed half second was very helpful thx
I'm loving the humorous parts of the update video's, makes them even better to watch :)
Good luck for peppy and team to reach the deadline for ranked! It seems like a lot of work to do and if they manage to finish the work before the new year I'll be in awe.
1:19 i shit my pants
thank you for the condensed half a second update.
it's amazing to see lazer become progressively more polished over time, it all looks so clean and all the new features like the builtin skin editor are super exciting!
ill fully switch to lazer once the ranking from stable is shared but it looks dope
gangsta replay actually brought a smile to my face
I would like the game to be able to use seasonal backgrounds from previous fanart contests in the menu.
Loving it!
For me, the part when you finish the song and clickly oress Esc is not working properly yet. Its very slow. Before, its was really fast
The hand-drawn slider update is now my favorite one, i can now make slider art easily on my iPad.
Another test for mobile 😂 ill try this updates
i can't wait to see what will aspire mapper cook with that free hand slider art
lazer is great, i love how seamless multiplayer lobbies are. i've completely switched away from stable.
the only thing i wish for is that i could set a star rating as host which would prevent players from deviating from it. some people become very troublesome when i ask them to not play songs over the star limit i added to the lobby title.
i understand though if that's more of a me issue and it's not strictly necessary, because i can just remove maps or kick. it just brings down the vibe a bit.
I was not prepared for the half-a-second. god damn
3:21 IT WAS THIS!!! This weird slider animation was the reason I never stuck to laser!!!!
I remember, It was 2021 and I played laser for the first time, and out of all the things, it wasn't the foreign ui or settings, but this jarring sliderball animation thingie that made me never want to play again.
Thanks for fixing this. I will play this weekend for the first time in 2 years
I hope one day variable DT gets a BPM slider that lets you select a bpm and it will adjust the rate to get that bpm
Cool update.
Thanks for adding the skin editor, it was annoying to turn on automod and rewind the map before it ends
im burnt out on osu and I think my hand is too fucked for me to ever play properly and improve again but I am still so mentally invested in the development of lazer
really happy to see all the things you guys do as you make your way to release
Legends says that when we have storyboard optimization update on osu-lazer, the world will end
Oh Yeah, i really would love that update and the new Android renderer. They are close to finish the game and I'm excited
Lazer update let’s goooooo
was not expecting II-L V804N at the start of this video wtf 🔥🔥🔥
siiiiiick!
1:08 What if for each control point that's outside the screen, a bubble appears near the edge of the screen right above/below/left/right of it, and that bubble can be dragged to adjust the off-screen point (then it snaps back near edge of screen)?
These updates are so cool and can't wait for it's official release maybe replacing std
As far as it goes for lazar mods, they're not compatible with stable, what will that mean for leaderboard compatibility or will those mods disable score submission?
0:47 is that -727 from blue zenith- Lince cosmico by Down mapped by pisapou ?
1:09 beautiful
wild
LETSGOOOOOOOO
A really cool idea would be to add an “auto NF” feature kinda like multis have where you can keep playing but your score is calculated as a NF or failed play.
Edit: maybe make this a toggle-able thing in settings rather than a mod?
You can kinda simulate that by always playing in a solo multi lobby lol
or it can be that after you fail in addition to restart and quit you're presented with "continue with NF" option
however it may be implemented - I think it would be really nice
That, or something like it, would be a very nice addition. The game design of deleting the player's score no matter how good or bad it was simply because they misaimed a single stream has always just been a waste of people's time.
@@ReimeiNoRaimei maybe in laser yeah, but no scores will be submitted.
@@alienfortytwo I feel like that would absolutely ruin the flow of gameplay. This is why I think doing it like the multi’s do but submitting as it’s own thing would be a great idea.
huge
Finally a lazer video
I love osu lazer!
1:12 that one was hillarious
I also was thinking people might start making slurs with the hand drawn sliders
hey peppy would adding feature to disable judgement animation in osu mania be possible?
this has been one of the most requested thing since mania even came out but it was still not implemented...
Thank god for the half a second summary. I'm an avid tiktoker so my attention span isn't much higher. Really appreciate it.
god i just wish the gameplay cursor size was next to the skins, so i dont have to chase after it every like 20 minutes
ah the anti cheat is going to be a very interesting topic (not for malicious intent ofc) but how its going to be structured within the engine along with that same anti cheat on mobile.
Really excited for it
Yo, being on an osu! video kinda crazy. Thanks for listening ❤
SOMEONE MAKE BAD APPLE WITH FREE DRAW NOW
How about a good sorting in song selection, For example in osumania, sorting the keys by 4k, 5k, 7k will be huge help
Btw you can already do that by typing "keys=[number of keys]" already. But yeah it should be more obvious that you can do that.
yeah but you cannot search the song@@thelol6802
another osu! W
you said hitsounds volume normalization was planned? when will you release it? thanks
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... so i was just doing research for my next project as a fresh programmer and i guess osu will be the next thing i will try to make using java (or c++). my current project will stre take about 4- 5 days 😅 its a lot of work
before this update i would repediatley save my skin in case the beatmap ended
yoo the skin editor in main menu was from my issue
peppy, if you read this, when the time comes, make an announcement date for when lazer will be fully usable, at least in terms of pp. I would really like to have one day where the whole community plays lazer and it will make that date special.
i second this
I think they will do that when everything is mostly ready which will probably near the end of December or early January depending on if they finish the project before the Christmas holidays
yes, lazer promoted to stable day 😊
O fato de em 4:38 ter "Você vai trabalhar ou vai ficar atendendo o celular, hein p*rra?" me quebrou KKKKKKKKKKKK (For those who don't know Brazilian Portuguese, I'm talking about a Brazilian audio that unexpectedly appeared in the video lmao)
mano simkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
video one of praying for hardware smothing in the in game tablet driver
lazer uses opentabletdriver, so if it supports smoothing you could ask peppy to add option to enable it ingame, and if not, you should ask OTD devs first
osu!stable on its way becoming osu!classic as lazer is becoming the new osu.
thanks for your hard work Peppy you are very uwu
Cool
PLEASE can you find a way to make it so that you can chart just by tapping keys in mania, similar to how you can now draw for sliders in standard, ive been wanting this for so long
this will definitely come. i think stable already has this.
@@DeanHerbertMooCow TY!!
@@DeanHerbertMooCowcan the same be done for standard? Like just hover the pen and tap to make circles, or hold to make sliders
funniest intro yet
How about making your own level by clicking where the circles should be and sliders?
I love Lazer, I've been using it as my main client for years now. I'm so happy to see the progress it's made. One of the changes I'm most happiest about is sliders getting mania-style release timing, it makes for much more interesting charting. Thanks ppy and everyone!
can we get some sort of sorting options for the skinselect, because that dropdown list just gets longer and more annoying to search through with every new skin
yep
idk if its only for me like that but I play only lazer and I dont see my stats (just my playtime) on the website. Also can I get medals in lazer too, because I didnt got anything from playing but only in stable.
it’s great to see more changes to the editor! there is one thing really holding it back though and it seems to go ignored on the github - individual slider elements still aren’t editable
essentially one of the biggest things holding lazer back from being able to create a rankable map is that you can only hitsound the slider as one object rather than 3 separate objects (head, body, tail) like in days past. i really do think this is the last thing that needs to be changed for it to be technically possible to meet the ranking criteria with a lazer map, and i hope we see this change sooner than later. with ranked play coming very soon, it only makes sense to have a (still barebones) functional editor for creating rankable maps
1:15 LMAO
a working legacy combo counter for mania please ;_;
hoping razer will replace og osu!
beatmaps exporting? am i just dumb or is it not in lazer yet? i've been using an external tool up until now
So I am learning to map right now with some maps allready completed. But do yall think that mapping in Lazer is a thing that I should rather look into, since it seems way more understandable and better for someone who is on their way to become an osu mapping champion?
I've made a few taiko maps and there's still a few compatability issues with sliders idk about std tho
What is the beatmap at 5:10?
Nice update but one thing so the argon skin has been changed why now changed to to "2023" instead of "2022"
Do messages still have a delay in lazer ? Currently in stable it can take up to 10 seconds for an in-game message to reach the other person, which can be quite frustrating when chatting with someone
I don't know if you have tried chatting in lazer yet, but as of ~1 year ago lazer switched to the same near-real-time websocket system that's used on web. I'll give you the exact version this was released in in a moment - typing this on phone right now.
Found it - it's the Nov 17 2022 (v2022.1117.0) update.
Note that messages sent from stable will still show up in real time, but messages received from stable may still get delayed.
it’s instant
What about adding a !mp command that automatically rotates host after every map instead of needing a bot to do it?
It should already be there in the room settings (Queue mode > All players (round robin))
@@2qbxprecisely!
ooo
So...will there ever be a sort option in mania for keycount to make it easier to sort between maps of different keys?
MEOW! its lazer !!!! \o/
Will there be a fix for the standard autopilot? Because it looks like snapping each object so that when there is a stream cursor it looks weird
"Who are probably using their mom's iPads" so true 😂
could you guys add an optional ”pp for ss” thing in the song select? would be a bit more convenient than asking tillerino or using a 3rd party one
I may have missed this but is osu!(lazer) going to permanently replace the original osu?
Short answer: not now, and not for the foreseeable future.
Long (probably too long) answer:
"I mean, we've seen in recent years that a lot of the big games are, for instance, when they release a sequel - not to mention any names - they'll release a sequel to a game and just shut down the old one. Even people that have bought it just don't have access anymore. And I mean, I see that and I get pretty annoyed at it. It's not the way I would do it and it's not the way I'm going to do it with lazer."
"[...] it's going to be a very gradual thing and it's going to be up to the users to really make the switch. I wouldn't care if people decided that lazer was just bad and they decided to stay on stable for the rest of their life. That just means we haven't done our job."
"[...] the important thing is that people that are enjoying the game right now, I want them to be able to continue to enjoy the game that they know, which is why stable is going to be around for many years to come. We're going to see new players come into the game and their first experience is going to be lazer. That's all they're going to know. They're going to look back at stable and be like, "What is this client? It looks so old." So i think we're going to see the new players coming in, that's going to be some of the people that increase the population of lazer, but then there's also going to be a gradual migration of the existing users as people become more receptive for one reason or another, if we get the new features in which they're waiting for, or if they just give it another try and give it a try for long enough that they've become used to it and realize it's better. The hope is that we can eventually get to that 100% number like we did with fallback and stable."
(peppy, "why you don't play lazer")
it’s the goal
I think its funny how freehand sliders were implemented by a friend of mine while he was on vacation
Love these videos, but I think they would be even better if you did go more in depth about the changes. I think if you're watching one of these videos already you probably want full explanations of things
can you give an example of what kind of depth you'd like to hear about?
ehhhh not really, If you want it to be detailed just read the change-log. I definitely prefer the less detail personally
Maybe this video wasn't a great one to comment on as I actually think this one did a great job, It's a relatively small update and it did a great job imo.
But in some previous ones, I think maybe you skimmed over some of the more technical changes a little too fast in order to not lose the attention spans of an average osu! player.
I'm not very good of summarizing my thoughts, but just a slightly more in depth explanation of some of the more technical changes would be awesome and make these already incredibly videos even better imo.@@DeanHerbertMooCow
@@zabrid5942 I second this. it's super interesting hearing Peppy's opinions and thoughts for those changes too
Why don't you release it on Steam or EPic games or something just a question?
I think it's due to 1. not being needed and 2. copyright issues
HELLO
2:34 suggestion: how about replay it without the reverse timelapse effect? like how pressing the replay button (~/`) while on gameplay works?
Would it be possible to make the argon skin more readable? I don’t know exactly how to describe it, but I find that it’s very cluttered and impossible to know what I’m doing at a given moment, could be that the circles are too solid of a color?
will lazer receive legacy skin style that will include stable ui like key overlay that will match how stable ui looks
i think so, if there’s enough demand
Very nice update! A small idea that could really make the game better: A seperate leaderboard for touchscreen players.
It is definetly not fair to compare normal players and touchscreen players, so a differend leaderboard, but with the same pp system would work in my opinion.
Really narrowminded idea. Just because Touchscreen is able to outperform the "normal“ playstyle on some specific maps you find it not fair to compare them, but any other playstyle (like mouseonly) you completely disregard cause you see no threat from it. Might as well do seperate leaderboards for Tablet player and for wooting players …
@@thefakebazuso1280 You missed the point. Mouse players or any other players don't have a literal nerf everytime they play. Touchscreen players do. Have you seen a touchscreen player in the top 10 recently? No, because it's impossible, no matter how skilled someone is.
@@savitar730 when was the last time you saw a mouse only player on the leaderboard
@@thefakebazuso1280 Ninerik.
@@savitar730 mouse only means no keyboard
Is there going to eventually be a 'fix' for when you've important a lot lot of maps from stable and having the game slightly freeze when you type into the search bar on song select? Thanks
yep
Please add skin editers for Mania,Taiko and catch as you've done for osu.
just change your game mode before entering?
Nope doesn't work@@DeanHerbertMooCow
@@redplayzyt8623 you can just go into gameplay and hit ctrl-shift-s
idk if this has been answered before or I'm stupid but, would it be possible to have osu stable map sorting in lazer?
It's already there from v2023.908.0 (Sep 9 2023) update (try sorting by difficulty in lazer!), though a redesign is planned (which will also include grouping, if that's what you need).
@@2qbx grouping is exactly what i need, also the difficulty sorting is Bleugh. I don't want to keep guessing if my maps are on 5 stars, 6 stars, or 7 just by the map card slide thingy -- the one that you scroll up and down on. I also dont want to frequently adjust the difficulty range slider to limit or broaden my range of star diff. They shoukd really just group them.
@@wrongfulhermityeah, I can understand your frustration on viewing the difficulty of maps in that sorting mode. The way the redesign draft aims to do - having a badge showing the numeric SR value next to ranked status - seems to be a good way forward, but I don't know if it's possible from a technical standpoint to implement that in the current UI.
"Welcome to the new era"
New #1 Soon
Possibly new OWC champions soon
and finally, LAZER RANKED