Roman Polanski: CHINATOWN Is A Truly Tragic Story
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
- Roman Polanski credits screenwriter Robert Towne and Producer Robert Evans with providing the elements that allowed CHINATOWN to remain a truly tragic story.
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Roman Polanski in great director. Robert Towne is great screenwriter. Robert Evans is great producer. Jack Nicholson and Fay Dunaway are great actors. Chinatown is great movie.
antoine doinel NO!!
That sums it up...great!
Marius Siderkevičius agreed
L B What was that for jeez
Robert Towne recently passed away.
chinatown was made in 1974 and it's still relevant today. i saw it around 2004 and it suddenly changed my life. I was lucky watching it when i was so young.. a great introduction to young movie buzz like me the time and influenced my judge on what the diffrence between great films and mediocre films afterwards, thanks chinatown
Polanski himself wrote the ending to this film. Towne and he argued over it, because Towne wanted Dunaway to get away. Towne actually walked off the set. Polanski and Nicholson wrote and staged the tragic ending. Towne later admitted he was wrong. The ending is one of the best in modern American films
One of my favorite movies of all time...my favorite Jack Nicholson film, performance. An awesome flick!
Faye Dunaway suggested to Polanski that her character should be seen to have had her eye shot out.
American films have too often happy endings. Hollywood should more often fuck the hero in the add, like Pulp Fiction did.
@@LMB222 Yeah right in his add
Without question, the tragic ending of the film was haunting and appropriate. The moment following Evelyn’s death when Gittes quietly says ‘As little as possible.’ is quite stunning. One of the best films of the last century.
Chinatown is an absolutely perfect film!
"a little longer" - it's been almost 50 years, and we'll surely remember it much longer.
One of my favorite movie of all time.
Brilliant filmmaker.
Good point on the topic of producers. It's terrible how in the film, Evelyn's sick bastard of a father gets to have Katherine at the end. It's sad how everyone, especially Jake goes through all that trouble and it ends up being for nothing, in the end, I believe the bad guys won. A True Tragic Story.
Masterpiece by the great Polanski
Great??
@@philipjuan3042 Might not be a great human being, but definitely one of the greatest filmmakers ever.
Yes, great, amazingly great. One of the greatest directors and storytelling artists of all time, imo. See: Rosemary’s Baby, Repulsion, Chinatown, The Pianist, Tess, The Tenant…
@@Fredo_Viola The Tenant is one of my all time favorite films so is Rosemary’s Baby, which with Repulsion is a trilogy the apartment trilogy. I have always been fascinated by his work. A true artist and master like Kubrick Lynch and Scorsese imo etc…
This was back in 2009. It's now commonplace for multiple producers. Now, in 2017, I'm actually surprised if there are less than 6 producers credited on a film. Polanski makes an important point about the advantages of having one produces "in charge". With one producer, he or she decides to either trust the director and screenwriter or do the bidding of the studio (which are usually committees of execs who all, of course, have an opinion). Is it no wonder that most of the films cranked out of the studio system these days are crap?
He said in other interviews...all these co-producers and cronies want to dabble in the creative process. And have a happy ending, and lots of compromise. Not good things if you're into artistic films.
if there are 6 cooks, there is nothing to eat
love this guy
read about his life, its like a nightmare
youll understand fatalism, pessimism and characters following their wildest instincts in his films
Roman is very generous with his remarks regarding Robert Towne who was one of the very best of his era although, his script called for Dunaway to survive and for Huston to die. He was very persistent with Roman to follow his script. Polanski ignored him and made the film into the classic that we all enjoy today with a realistic ending, not a Hollywood fairytale.
Mark Roberts it’s not realistic though, the cop shoots her when she’s in the drivers side from like 40-50 feet away, and this is the cop that we barely even see or care about throughout the movie, if you ask me, Robert Towne had a great script and it was pretty selfish of Polanski to change it. You have to realize this amazing movie is because of Robert Towne and the script, you don’t think back to the movie and just think of the ending, you think about the whole movie and the END, if Polanski was smarter he would have been able to incorporate a dramatic ending with killing Huston who actually deserved to die, which we all wanted to see!
@@skullyman409 If you was smarter you'd never posted crap like that.
@@JesusMagicPanties *you would have never posted crap like that* there you go buddy helps when the grammar is correct !
@@skullyman409 @Instead of grammar you better focus how much sense does your babble @ grafomancers make , you toxic, pretensious idiot. :D
@@skullyman409 An murican bum from overseas colony with no language of its own "teaches" the others grammar. I have my own language and I know its grammar. And that's enough. English is not mine, I don't need to be its grammar expert. Zrozumiano?? Palancie. BTW When someone from abroad uses my language but with some mistakes, I never point it out to him. cause only goddamn simpletons do it.
Today it is still my favorite answer to anyone lamenting the rampant corruption and depravity that surrounds us..."Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown". It's a sad, sad ending...nothing has changed, let's go home.
great director all personal stuff aside
The ending was very impactful Ms Dunaway was so beautiful, erotic, and a paragon and then she is just sacrificed. We hadn't seen anything like it. Janet Leigh being killed in Psycho was similar but it was not set up like Chinatown and didn't have the same impact. Polanski explains it well here.
This movie pulls you deep into its abyss.
I'm not surprised about 16 producers I watch very few movies made this century.
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Thanks I saw it recently on DVD it's awesome
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You have the actual producer who gets together all the actors and story writers and the director and, most important, the financial backing.
But that title is also given - often in lieu of money - to anyone who helps out.
My friend was listed as one of 11 Executive Producers on the old Roswell TV show. I asked her what she actually did and despite her long-winded answer it was obvious she was basically a gopher.
caseyjoanz thanks for your answer.
The movie Chinatown speaks for itself it's awesome. Movies aren't what they were for me if you enjoy them and are involved I happy for you. I am only giving my point of view.
If there are six cooks there's nothing to eat! Great, absolutely great.
Polish is very rich in proverbs. They are handy shortcuts in a discussion. A few words instead of a paragraph.
Yes , but that specific polish proverb has a little different meaning. There are 6 cooks " but female cooks " because women in the kitchen fight over who has better skills or what spices to put on 😂
There is no one alive better at making movies. Ang Lee is there. Bruce Beresford. Terrence Malick, Kenneth Lonergan. But who better to make a picture than Roman? And he makes perfect sense. There is no bullshit.
Admiring talent and admiring them as people are two different things right? If a murderer is a fantastic chef and you praise his/her culinary skills, you are not worshiping them as people but their talent.
@Film Buff I agree with you on that.
But as time goes by I just wish Polanski had been jailed so the fact that you enjoy his work as art and not his criminal actions didn't need to explain a lot of bullshit.
Depends on what the dish is made from 🤨
Well, they certainly have thought about it a little longer. It's fine piece of cinema from the last great days of Hollywood.
He's quite articulate when he's not buggering 12 year old girls.
best polanski film.should get oscar for best director and best pictre.better than godfather II
God Always Bless one Frantisek Daniel.
(former Chair, Dean, Head Prague Screenwriting Analyst)
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Perfect film.
Yep enjoyed this movie immensely didn't even have to be great to be enjoyable it coulda been viewed like a Bond outing or a Schwarzenegger movie I'd still like it
You really love this guy
and in italian we say "quando ci sono troppi galli a cantare non si fa mai giorno"..which means " if there are too many roosters to sing,we never see the dawn.."....referring to what Polansky says about too many producers for one single film...
In Brazil we say that "a dog that has two owners dies of hunger"
In Turkey the saying goes, " Seven master tailors cannot make a perfect suit".
He made this amazing film, but turned out to be exactly Noah cross in real life
When Towne researched his script, did he find it plausible that in 1937 two experienced law enforcement officers would fire handguns at a retreating car with an innocent girl in the front passenger seat? By the time the fatal shot was fired, the car was about 50 yards away; at that range they might easily have shot young Catherine.
This man should be beind bars.
In Brazil we say that "a dog that has two owners dies of hunger"
Chinatown and Se7en, two perfect endings. In real life there are no heroes.
Uns dos maiores cineastas da atualidade esteve preso no campo de extermínio . Em auchiwits
Jesus he’s modest.
The irony is Polanski got off the hook just like Noah Cross.
...stupid bigot said
@@JesusMagicPanties I'm serious m8. Fight me
It's so disturbing when you realise that Polanski is genuinely Noah Cross irl.
@marcythemonster I love is when simpleton try to sound magnanimous in print. Its comedy genius!!
Polanski as a person is a piece of crap, but he's a good filmmaker. And he hit it right on the head regarding today's films - too many producers (in fact, too many people in the credits, too much of everything!) Today's films can typically cost over $100 million to produce, but are they better made and do they tell a better story than ones made a generation ago? No way!
Have you met him
You are a piece of shit as anything.
luv tht film so
cept for the odious ms dunaway
and her drab wardrobe...
polanski regretted hiring her.
where kucharek sześć tam nie ma co jeść
Ironic a guy that gets away with sexual crimes of his own, makes a movie about a villain getting away with his crimes.
Yup
I don't he got away with it, he evaded justice and is still prosecuted by the USA authorities. He even got a domiciliary arrest in Switzerland.
But yeah, the film is somewhat hipocritical.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 that's true . But the screenplay wasnt his tho
I get the part of having a tragic ending, but it's a little too much. No way the police would have let Cross just take the girl away--and not listening to anyone. Firing on an open street, Cross walking around fine after he was just shot in the chest, small caliber notwithstanding. I would have had a compromise between Towne's and Polanski's vision. I would have had Evelyn kill Cross, and be arrested and charged with murder. Because she loves her daughter so much and Gittes loves her, she convinces Gittes to not provide the police with the information about Cross, his rape, the murder, and everything else. Evelyn goes to the gas chamber for murder, and Gittes has to live with that guilt, but at least the girl makes it and Cross gets what i coming to him. That would have been stylish and not been so completely bitter.
I agree, it would have been a compromise and a better version for the ending.
Although there was still a logic in the real ending when in a slight moment near the end, Gittes tries to get Evelyn to put down her gun while aiming at her father, and says to let the police handle it.
Though she then refuses and shouts back at him that he actualy OWNS the police...so that could explain why they didn't arrest Mr. Cross right away.
ToyKIngWonder@ I cant believe you're not aware your post is a classic idiot credo revealing the true defference between common , puny mediocrity and a real, creative talent. Are you really so illiterate to unmask your own stupidity or maybe it is a kind of honesty ?? Just incredible :D
Faye Dunaway said he (Cross) owns the police. It's Chinatown Jake.
No offense, but that would have been a terrible ending. Everything in the movie led to the ending they chose. Anything else would have felt false.
Sounds awful tbh. I could get behind Faye grabbing a gun and killing Cross with police then shooting and killing her. But anything else besides that or the original ending is just muddled and insincere to the story as it was built.
This will sound sick, but I was attracted to Roman Polanski when I was 15.
Seeing comments from 10 years ago praising Polanski as a person haven’t really aged well...
Great filmmaker and sad tragic life,i admire him greatly 💚
We all knew about it but the greater good is what matters. If it wasn’t for Harvey, think of all the movies we wouldn’t or couldn’t have made
Sharon Tate
That's my wife
He gave it a tragic ending because he got away with it himself
Roman Polanski became Noah Cross.
How it's like to be such fuckwit? :D
Well he fucked with consent... Both are different
@@TheAnalyte Evelyn came back for seconds.
Roman polanski the real Noah Cross.
Where there are 6 cooks there is nothing to eat
@BourgeoisMachinery mj had talent.
polanski talking about EVIL - he should know
This could have been him if he got the 13 year old pregnant
15-16 producers? I hope he is exaggerating! lol
Hard for me to like as much as I used to. Chinatown's ok for the big budgeted production that it is, but I wouldn't trade it for any of the films it emulates.
interesting point of view, would you care to tell me some of those movies?
he is a fugitive but no matter. even if he did his time, his actions disgust me. his victim won a civil suit and forgives him so she can move on. it still doesn't make his actions less repulsive. by the way, i am not overweight. making that assessment makes you stupid.
My American friend, I know your probably the victim of some seriously underfunded public school so I'll give you some free education. Your points will have more potency and legitimacy if you don't start your sentences with 'Yea'.
The Sweeney
Sometimes the bad guy got away
Only his sick mind can make a movie like that. He loves very young girls
you can make a sick and twisted movie without being a sick and twisted person. It might not have happened in this case, but it's definitely possible
@@qutrb6790 like Cuties
The guy should be in jail. They should get him with the same kind of raid they used to get Adolf Eichmann.
People that worship this guys works are no better then the people who worship Charles Manson. Pretty sickening the world we live in.
Wrong, completely wrong. His crimes and his films are separate entities. One does not delegitimize the other.
Liking this mans film doesn't mean we condone his crimes! they are two separate things!! I seriously doubt you've even seen any of Polanski's films!
…says some guy on the internet.
Today is the time of ultimate pulp fiction. Pulp director makes pulp movie and pulp public hails it as masterpiece. Pulp is pulping pulp into pulp and any pulp is pulpy.......
I was never interested in Tarantino, I didn't even watch Pulp Fiction. But I can watch Chinatown every year without getting bored.
Pulp Fiction is an amazing film. Super great. Imo it’s his best film, and an absolute standout among other films. Yes, it’s violent but the characters and situations are so interesting and unique. Tarantino really has a special way that he develops characters. Nobody does it like him.
hartzog.org/j/chinatownscriptfilm.html Prawda o scenariuszu. / Without Polański's change not a soul would remember today the film and the script, let alone its "outstanding"... Robert Towne was /is an average-class literary laborer, and he himself admits today that Polański's amendments determinated ultimately the value of the project.