Why Do We Love Black Suit Spider-Man?
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- Опубліковано 8 січ 2024
- This video is a detailed essay on Black Suit Spider-man and what makes the character so iconic and memorable in the pop culture community. When making this I tried exploring the themes of the Black suit and what it could represent in terms of the narrative and insomniacs Spiderman universe. This would be my fourth video about Spiderman, and I can't lie this series was definitely my favourite to cover on the channel.
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I love black suit spiderman, it gives Peter the license to do what he really wants, to be selfish for once and let go of that moral obligation he has to be a better man.
It's honestly so compelling, I love the story so much
I always saw it as like an addiction story, Exspecily with this new story in SM2, Peter has this thing, something the kept him alive, gave him extra power to do more and to feel better , but at what cost?, the people around him to grow scared, for the bonds he built to be poisoned, it’s always a good story with many possibilities
I feel as though Peter corrupted the symbiote in a way. The symbiote heard his negative thoughts and put them front and centre, maybe since it found the negative thoughts helpful for peter to be a better Spider-Man which he wanted to so desperately be to achieve balance just like may said in the flashback. What makes the Peter versus Miles boss so impactful is that its a fight of two people Peter has influenced. Miles he's turned into a hero and represents the good in him, while the symbiote he's turned into a monster, representing the bad in him.
he definitely did in the insomniac verse, it was calm with harry and when miles is in his head he sees how peter wishes he could have the strength to kill every one of his villains
The Miles and Peter boss fight is truly one of the greatest bosses in recent memory. Kinda mad I didn't put it as number 1 in my boss ranking video
You people are so dense. The FIRST cutscene is a nightmare that the suit uses to tell Harry he will never be free. Then Harry at one point says during his time in suspension that he would constantly hear his mother tell him to heal the world. Then we hear the suit tell him the same in his mother’s voice. The suit was always going to attempt world domination.
@@seliteguitarist3664finally someone with an actual brain who pays attention to the game
@@smileysuburban8146in the comics that's also what happened
Im so happy someone brought up the addiction tones that could be seen through spiderman 2. Feel like people never talked about how much Peter and Harry actually showed genuine addiction symptoms multiple times throughout the story quests
Yeah, like how Harry gets mad every time someone mentions removing it, and Peter desperately trying to justify why he NEEDS it
I have a small little fan theory that the symbiote suit itself doesn't actually enhance his strength directly, it's just an immediate effect of Peter not holding back as much
Inteteresting theory!
There’s actually some truth to that. While the symbiote does amplify Peter’s strength quite a bit, he already has more than enough power to beat most of his villains easily if he didn’t hold back. The symbiote removes his mental blocks, and allows him to fight unrestrained.
That’s a cool theory, but the only wrench I can see getting thrown in is Harry also having super strength while using it despite being a normal dude. But SM is already a strong dude already so maybe the suit doesn’t see a reason to enhance that part
Like believe it's mix both believe symbiote enhance one strength cause peter lot strength into natural strength tend not use lot of cause can't convince Eddy any other host don't power some level super strength from suit
You're not wrong since the Symbiote didn't change Peter's power or amplify it. It was confirmed in Amazing Spider-Man issue 332 that Eddie believed Venom boosted Peter's strength with his. But Venom states Peter was already augmented by the Spider bite confirming Peter has always been stronger than he has let on.
I definitely agree. The Black Suit and Venom has always been my favorite Spider-Man story arc.
It represents his greatest failure as both Peter and Spider-Man. So once the suit finds another host and becomes Venom, it's a manifestation of that failure. However, in some media, Venom goes through a redemption arc and decides to stop trying to kill Spider-Man, so it shows that you can come to terms with your biggest failure and something good can come out of it.
I love this comment! You’ve pointed out exactly why Venom is also my favorite Spider-Man character. Honestly I like him more than Spider-Man! Particularly Eddie Brock. Eddie himself definitely seems like a screw up. Then becomes a very bad villain who constantly antagonizes Spider-Man. But eventually gets himself out of it to become a hero!
I like the Black Suit arc because there are plenty of times in my life where I could've definitely released my suppressed rage to get something done. One of the things that hits home for me is one of the powers the Symbiote gives Peter. The Symbiote doesn't increase Peter's striking strength it just releases the subconscious barrier Peter has to make sure he doesn't seriously hurt someone. That level of ruthlessness mirrors my soul sometimes.
Well… In a way it does that but no it literally does make him stronger it’s used in the capacity of “oh Peter or somebody else needs to get something dangerous done” if a super powered person takes on a symbiote, like Black suit Peter vs red goblin in the comics, it’s a big deal, if you don’t know it’s a long story but to sum it up Green goblin got carnage, Peter borrowed venom, Flash Thompson dies as agent anti venom, sad stuff
Edit: I forgot the it’s a big deal and the comment felt incomplete, my bad entirely
Just to clarify, you accidentally used cutscenes that were unintentionally bugged which caused symbiote tendrils to not appear visually.
Ahh man, it's driving me crazy watching it now 🤣
@@TheBossFighterzlooks like he’s using the force 😂
Ending with the tobey quote “sometimes we have to be steady” is fire 🔥🔥
If I had to draft my ideal version of a Venom story, I'd say that the symbiote should *not* be a magic goo that makes Peter a worse person. I think that cheapens Venom later on if done that way, even if it makes an interesting Peter story. Instead, I'd propose the following: the symbiote and Peter merging together is still a situation that empowers Peter. It provides him with convenience, he provides the symbiote with the adrenaline and emotions that it feeds on. But, the symbiote's lack of understanding of humans and alien-ness is emphasized all the more through the lens of Peter's immaturity. Peter is a teenager (in this hypothetical rewrite, at least; I know he's an adult in the comics when he gets it) and is prone to want things he doesn't need. The symbiote merging with Peter already provides both of them with good feelings, so the symbiote decides to reach out and help Peter obtain those immediate desires that seem like they'd also feel good, damn the consequences.
Initially, Peter might not care too much about how things he wants are inconveniencing people around him, but over time he begins to realize he's being terrible to others. His sense of power and responsibility is out of whack, and it all started when he put on the symbiote. So he tries to remove it, the symbiote is horrified and clings tighter because it doesn't understand why Peter isn't happy with it anymore. It's done everything it could to make him happy. Peter sees this clinging tighter as aggression from the symbiote and tries to destroy it. The symbiote is hurt, but feels betrayed. It did everything it could to help Peter and he turned against it. When it comes across Eddie and bonds with him, it learns about hate and decides to seek revenge alongside him. At the same time, Venom's warped morality can be explained as the symbiote trying to emulate all of the good feelings it got from Peter by fighting crime. It doesn't understand necessarily why beating up bad guys was good for Peter's soul, but it wants Eddie to do the same. But because the proper mentality isn't there, this leads to a Venom that does things like eat people and horrify onlookers, even though he's just trying to help.
Just a random idea that came to mind, since I can't help but feel that "pure evil Venom" kind of cheapens his complexity and basically just turns him into a buffer Carnage.
THIS! This is actual writing I wish you were on the marvel team as a higher up producer, giving ideas that are incredible seems to be a skill you have in droves!
Please make a video on this, I'd love to watch you talk about this!
@@TheBossFighterz I literally wanna make a podcast just to make this guy my first guest and just pick his brain for ideas about media that gets mistreated by some creatives and writers
@@gabrieldevoogel6225 Please do it bud, you'll do so well!
@@TheBossFighterz I mean I’ll have to get a mic soon then lol, I’ll make sure to get you in the loop when it drops
Watching Peter struggle with “addiction” and hearing him say things I myself had also said in the past really broke me. When he gets confronted by MJ and harry, the people who care about him the most, and he returns their genuine concerns with hate and anger I couldn’t help but cry as I saw myself in him. The way he gets defensive and not willing to listen, how he says “it makes me a better Spider-Man” knowing he’s lying to himself just to keep the symbiote, it’s a perfect representation of what addiction feels like. It leaves you lonely so that the only thing capable of filling that loneliness is the addiction itself.
If you are struggling with any kind of addiction, being substance abuse, gambling, or anything. Seek help. It doesn’t make you weak. It takes a lot of strength and effort to reject temptation, and even more to climb out of the void of addiction. I love you, and you deserve a chance to be happy
I love the video, but I can’t help but be distracted by the fact that the symbiote tendrils are just not there during the beginning and end of the Kraven fight.
Also great video analysis. I love Black Suit Spidey because I just think it’s an awesome story and a great design.
Oh man, I have no idea how I overlooked this, it's driving me so crazy haha
😂
Personally I just appreciate this story of release turned into a power trip. Cause honestly as relatable as Spider-Man is already, we all have a limit to how much we can take before we break and Peter getting external stimuli to let it out without any filter, it's a powerful beat of realism especially when we say or do something we did because of strong emotions brewing into anger as we begin to regret whats been done. Touching back on the relatable note he rapidly becomes cautios with every because of how hes treated them and is regretful after realizing how hes acted once he rids himself of the overwhelming stimuli.
Simply put, the Black Suit for Peter is the equivalent of drugs for a addicts or alcohol for drunkards, and as most scenarios as this go it takes a friend...
"Spider-Man didn't save me back there, Miles did."
-The colour/look
- venom is my favourite villain
- The powers
- Freedom it brings
- Darkness of it
- the status and symbol of it
Wow! VERY well done video! You made me love symbiote spider-man even more!
I love him for "SHOCKER! YOU CAN'T ESCAPE ME! I'LL CHASE YOU 'TILL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!!!", "Drive That Funky Soul" and "Why don't you pop some more pills say how you really feel?" In other words I love it for the memes.
Very deep video bro! I think Anyone such as Spiderman in some point believes that an addiction can make you overcome your most darkest moments in life, specially the sad ones.
this is what people mean when they say they relate to spider-man, like having people that don’t one hundred percent appreciate your efforts, having a bunch of mental issues,trying to not give into the temptation of anger and rage, feeling alone, feeling like you weren’t worth anything to anyone, feeling lost and hopeless.
Damn nice video this has to be my favourite one out of the rest
Thanks man I appreciate it
The more you keep the outside calm,the more chaotic it gets inside.He suffered long enough.About time the spoiled people around him felt his pain.
Unlike the loyal and understanding symbiote.Pain is the greatest teacher.
this essay style format is very cool
such a well done video
Thank you bud!
CONGRATS ON GETTING 16K VIEWS!!! This is the first video I've watched of yours, and I'm glad to see you grow 🎉
keep it up man, loved the vid🙏🏼🔥
More to come soon bud!
Hey Boss, Great video for such a small youtuber, keep up the good work. 🙌
Your videos are soo good I really hope one day you get a chance to get more attention and get the popularity you deserve ❤
I'm gonna be honest I originally started this channel so I could one day blow up, but now I'm doing this as a hobby for fun. Thanks for sticking around bud hopefully someday we do blow up :)
@@TheBossFighterz Yeah best of luck 🤞
@@TheBossFighterz Thx 🙏
Hey man i just wanna tell you that you have something special here, your voice is fantastic and your way of explaining things is remarkable
you should continue making these types of videos and don't stress about the views and subscribers
over a period of time ur efforts will compound and you'll find success whilst just doing the thing you love
That's not to say you shouldn't always be finding ways to make your videos better, but not at the sake of your sanity
Consistency + gradual growth and increase in quality and you have something special
If you make a video on a trend than its bound to go viral
Anyways keep up the work brother
and do the handwork especially if you don't feel like it
Bro how do u not have more subs wtf love your video on this topic
Subbed, fantastic video! 💯😃
This Video is Symbolic the Symbiote itself is Symbolic and can be seen as your Shadow Self
There's no way! That's incredible, do you think they intended that by naming it "symbiote"
great video man!
After so many adaptations of the symbiote being an inherently negative force and making Peter aggressive and darker, I wish we could get some adaptations where the symbiote is just misguided and only becomes evil after getting rejected by Peter. This take on the black suit arc that's been the status quo since Spider-Man: The Animated Series is a fantastic one, but I think we've reached a point where we can try a different approach for the black suit and how it hinders Peter's life before becoming Venom
like honestly, i wouldn't mind an universe where the symbiote helps peter and it goes as normal but eventually turns good after rejoinging with peter or something, I don't know man, I just want Peter to get a break from having to be so selfless it legitimately tramatizes him, and that's part of why I like black suit spiderman, because he gets to just let go for a bit
I'd love to see a new take on this story soon!
@mrnobody38 I think that would be cool, have a story where Peter and the symbiote can actually stay joined together, tty something new. I fif like that they basically did this with Anti-Venom but ain't hope that they'll add a twist and have it be a new symbiote that Peter teaches to be good.
This is a thing that exists, multiple versions of venom simply wanted to help peter, if you read the original comics, the symbiote had almost no downsides, it didn't make peter aggressive or anything, the only reason it goes on to become venom is because peter took off the symbiote after he found out it was alive, and the symbiote hates him after that
@@Monkeylighthouse I know it's a thing that exists, I'm saying that it needs to be used in more adaptations. Since this is how the original comic did it, why doesn't more media use that characterization of the symbiote more often? Spider-Man The Animated Series invented the black suit story structure everyone has come to know, and it's a great one, but now we've seen this story structure so many times that it'd be nice to see an adaptation that tries something different.
My favourite story arc in superhero history ❤️
Amazing video man!
Great video man
Thanks bud!
LEGENDARY VIDEO GAME I LOVED HOW DETAILED TO THE COMICBOOK IT WAS !! it was a GREAT RIDE I CANT WAIT FOR THE DLC missions!! 🕸️🕸️🕸️
I guess we like do to the sharp contrast it provides to Peter himself. It makes him more aggressive, vengeful, and warped.
But as we all know, Peter was able to overcome it.
And I think that's why we love it
“Black suit Spider-Man, Peter these are incredible. We gotta have these Jonah!!!”
Nice content bro, found you from hamza’s channel
I love when Peter gets tired of current situations he’s in, and the suit pops up to bring out his inner rage😈.
Same, omg you should have seen my reaction 😂
PLEASE make a video on Insomniac's Venom too!
If the symbiote simply amplifies what is already here, does that mean it would have no effect on an angel ?
It would turn it into a South Park angel lol
This is amazing.
bro the way u was talkin abt peters problems was peak icl. bro got abt every problem in the book so thats y hes relateable 😭
I can say as an addict, who has also been traumatized and taken advantage of by terrible people...this story sticks with me better than any other.
Peter's pain and anger is completely valid. After enough pain, there's only so much a person can take. But responding with rage and vengeance is never the answer. It's lonely, and makes the pain worse.
Much like Peter after he gets the Symbiote off, I still struggle to recognize that I'm not just slime wearing human skin. But nobody is. We're all human, and no matter how dark our lives seem to be, we can recognize what we've done wrong, and resolve to be better.
Spider Man 2 Carnage DLC Cutscene Concept. (Miles goes to The Crimson Flames!)
Miles: I got a SYMBIOTE?!
Connors: It's called Crimson Symbiote. It's an evolved and the definitive version of the Symbiote. He gave up to you?!
Miles: No. I was at death edge and
Connors: And he **chose** you.
Connors: The Crimson Symbiote is more dangerous than I thought! We need to call OsCorp we need to destroy this thing!
Crimson Miles: Destroy *us*?! **burns Connors' phone**
Crimson Miles: You said "he chose you" Doctor. You can trust me. Trust the Crimson Flames. *Everything Burns!*
I love this man, great concept!
There is a a "what if" story where the symbiote actually cares for peter but is abandoned when peter finds out what it actually is turning the symbiotes love into hate for the wall crawler.
Excellent video, will you be making one on Peter with Anti Venom?
Probably not tbh, I only chose the black suit as it sums up my thoughts on Peter and Venom in one video.
@@TheBossFighterz fair enough. I kind of just wanted to hear your take on it because I think it’s awesome and should be a permanent addition to Insomniac Peter. Though, there is a very vocal piece of the community that dislike it.
This video is pure cinema kepp going please
Dw there's another on the way soon!
Eithe the insomniac version of Peter was more willing to accept the power the black suit gave him, or the suit had a stronger influence on him compared to other versions of the black suit.
Damn I didn’t know the symbiotic had flying powers as well
I’m soo sad 😢 for Peter
Peter Parker is such a tragic character
It makes him a better spider man
A question I often ask, I don’t get it, I couldn’t wait to get that symbiote off
Its really great and in the thumb nail what does it all say?
whats the backround song?
It wasn't until I was an adult that I realized that the symbiote is an allegory for substance abuse, the episode "Intervention" of Spectacular Spider-Man makes much more sense now.
I think this story including Miles really helped because other adaptations like the 90's cartoon, Spectacular, and the best movie of all time all had to have Peter stop and see for himself that he's starting to go down a dark path and that he should put an end to it before it's too late, but in this story more people know Peter's identity so we can see more people express concern rather than frustration towards him, and with Miles acting as the voice of reason rather than Peter having to do everything himself, we get to see him so much further than most other adaptations
90's cartoon he almost kills a bunch of guys but always snaps himself out of it
Spectacular had him mostly just be a huge dick and more aggressive fighter
The only movie to have 110% on rotten tomatoes made him more cocky and spiteful rather than vengeful and aggressive
This game lets Peter go full rampage, relentlessly beating the crap out of hunters, Conners, and only failing to kill Kraven because Miles intervened, on top of treating everyone around him as horribly as the villains
I love most any adaptation of this storyline, but having so many more characters know Peter is Spider-Man and having Miles act as all the best parts of what Spider-Man should be allows Peter to block out his inner voice and indulge so much more in using the suit
Love the video but, why is he missing tendrils in the cutscenes?
Peter paarkeerrr hoossst I love your accent
Easily without a doubt the best symbiote Spider Man
Two corrections: One, Harry is Peter’s best friend, not his brother. Two, Martin Li didn’t kill Aunt May, neither did Doctor Octopus. It was a series of events involving both of them which led to it being released and ultimately killing her.
He meant harry and peter are close like brothers
In my mind, Peter isn’t responsible for Otto’s turn. I feel it’s Otto’s responsibility’s for himself turning into Doc Ock and his aunt’s death along with Li. Everyone has a conscience and Otto knew what he was doing. He wanted revenge and, yes, he was presented with charm with good intentions, but he still had resentment he didn’t deal with properly. Not that Norman didn’t play a hand in Otto’s fall, and he himself did do bad things as to not lose his son, but Otto came so very close to be worse than Norman. Who knows how bad Norman will be in the third entry?
Peter isn’t supposed to float in that cutscene it’s a glitch.
Why do I like Black Suit Spider-Man? Because he looks badass af that’s why.
This is why it should have won Game of The Year
Baldur's Gate 3 though
peter does not levitate when he is trying to kill kraven, there are missing some of the tendrils attached to the tree
When writing that part, I didn't mean he was literally levitating above him. However the cutscene I used implies that he does... so my bad 🤣
Black Suit Spiderman is quite literally him IDK about yall but that's my 🐐
People are saying Spiderman 2 was a terrible game but this guy pretty much sums up what Spiderman 2 and symbiote arc was all about and Kraven arc.
Not really because the majority says it's an awesome game. It's the best Marvel game ever. Just ignore those people since there are more love then hate for the game. Especially since it's well received by critics and fans and sold plenty of copies well.
Because he looks so fucking cool!
Haha the suit is so awesome, which black suit is your favourite?
@@TheBossFighterz In general, my favorite must be the one from the 1994 animated series.
The light blue outline looks great & I like to bulky physique.
As for Spider-Man 2 (PS5), it's the more mutated surge version of the suit. I like how creepy it looks and how close Peter were to turn into the actual Venom.
Because the symbiote reminds people of themselves
why and how does Peter float when trying to execute Kraven? the symbiote has never been established to violate the laws of gravity on it's own power in this game.
i thought there were tentacles leveraging off the ground or tree in my playthrough but no, his Peter is just fucking floating in this one
You said a Spider-Man. No mainline Peter Parker is THE Spider-Man
Wait I'm so confused does Peter actually start levitating when he's about to kill kraven??
The cutscene he used was bugged and didn’t have tendrils
It is simply a license to ill
I feel like I’m grappling with my, real life, version of this. Maybe it’s just part of becoming a man. I think it is. The things that give you power, do in fact matter as I’m discovering. For me, and I can’t believe I’m saying this in a public forum but it’s women, alcohol, weed, parties, praise, awards, and feeling like I’m in control, but the truth is we are only in control of ourselves. The weird part is I want to give it up, but I’m not sure how, and I don’t want to unless I get something better in return, which makes me wonder if sometimes you need that “symbiote”…
That's the beauty of the character because it asks these questions.😊
Didn't mean to add the emoji, I'm sorry if you're struggling bud, we all have our own symbiotes that we struggle with.
5:39 I just realise that spider man levitates here 😭 goddamn that’s the dumbest shit. That looks unfinished
It’s a bug there are tendrils there but the bug causes them to disappear.
As much as I hate to say it Insomiac didn’t do well with the symbiote
They did the addiction allegory really good, but it was just too rushed, and the symbiote shouldn’t make u evil, u should make the symbiote angry, cuz it learns form its hosts, but the game makes it just seem like it’s the symbiotes fault, but really it should be his, and he didnt really do much like it was fairly easy to figure him afterwards, and venom was just plain bad
@@bionicslipper4027 yep
real
Why are you keep saying that Lee killed Peter’s aunt? He did not
ya it was doc ocks fault
Norman's fault. Yeah doc ock and Lee triggered it. But It all starts with Norman
I guess it's up to interpretation. Doc ock released Devils Breath in time square, however Lee's bombing at Norman's parade inspired him to pursue his plans with the sinister six. Yes you are correct Lee didn't kill May directly. He definitely influenced the events that caused it. What do you think?
@@LordDeathAku No he didn't release devil's breath, he just wanted a cure for his son
@@TheBossFighterz with this logic you can say that Norman Osborn killed Mileses father, cause Lee bombed the parade trying to take revenge on Norman for what he did to him. So if Osborn wasn’t the reason of what happened to Lee when he was a kid, Jefferson Davis would be alive
Lee has a very indirect relation to May’s death to blame him for it anyhow
We all love seeing the dark side, and the purer the hero the more exciting to see what its like to see them fall
bcuz he so col
People don’t pay attention to the person they move on if they did you would have 42k subscribers that’s the problem unless you appear in the big games or have a check it’s sad
Tell me how I saw “Trump” in the thumbnail before realizing it actually says “Trauma” 😂
I just like to see goody two shoes Peter go absolute ham. It's cathartic.
And I still think Peter and Venom separating in Spider's Shadow kinda defeats the purpose of the What-If.
all you said was nice, too bad none of that was conveyed in the story
Weird cutscene glitch lol
Cuz he black
Why is it written "trump" in the video thumbnail
It says "trauma" but the symbiote font makes it look like "trump" lol
Cause Trump is the GOAT
1:41 Immediate dislike NOT A PARASITE! Rude very rude to Venom’s character shame on you sir
TRUMP
When Peter lost the symbiote, the story got pretty ass ngl.