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"What is your aim (for the 423rd time)" Joey: "I'm against breeding/exploiting animals." "What is your aim (for the 424th time)"... Also, Soros? Rockfeler? WTH is he on?
This man came across first as a dunce then discourteous and with the 'does it turn you?' on comment a feeble minded creep. Joey does well to stay as calm as he does. I think he's a seriously brave man to speak out with some of the idiots around.
He was so triggered by Joey's sign that he had to just act like a little kid throwing a tantrum. He needed to take a breath and calm down. He just wanted a fight.
I like when Joey starts to answer his arguments one by one and there is nothing left the guy starts to laugh and then gets angry... He knows he's wrong so he ran.
invasive species? the dudes literally got a desk in the middle of a sidewalk, vegans are the invasive species. storming farmers ranches? vegans are the invasive species
„I‘m on board with that“ ...sucks on his milk shake. 😂 I don’t want to give up cheese, because abusing animals isn’t that bad compared do the taste of cheese. Carnist thinking in practice.
i didnt watch all of it but everyone has to transition somehow... not saying we should pat people on the back for cutting down, but we need to respect the transition and this guy is clearly thinking alot more than most carnists do
@@perihelion7445 beimg vegan doesnt require you to equate animals and humans, instead it requires you acknowledge their suffering as more important than your pleasure.
@@perihelion7445 idk i think being pro life and being vegan are two different beliefs and one doesnt necessarily imply the other. you'll meet vegans who are pro life and some who are pro choice. i think suffering occurs naturally in the world but the definition of veganism is to limit the suffering we cause as far as practicable and possible. that applies to humans and non human animals.
Painful to listen to.How is it possible for some people to be so disengaged from the reality of their actions? And a type 2 diabetic desperate to eat cheese and drink milk ? Such aggression towards someone who just wants to ease the suffering animals from an individual with Islam issues. This is a mad mad world. Keep it up joey
Tbf his doctor probably thinks that dairy is fine for diabetics and just told him to stay away from sugar. You have to understand that most people only seek out health advice from their doctors so if the doctor is clueless then they are too.
The farmer only listens to the sound of his own voice - It sounded like he is having an internal battle with that stuff, even using the word murder for the killing of the sheep he farms...he knows, deep down.
@@mrrooter3630 Perhaps that's the case. Joey does listen, and responds to his questions, but this man clearly ignores his replies - making intelligent debate or discussion impossible. I would hazard a guess that the reason for this is that he already knows.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 If ANYTHING, George Soros, Rothschilds and all those surpressors are using THIS GUYS Moral standpoint of exploiting the 'inferior'. They can justify what they do, with the arguments HE uses to justify what HE does to animals. To those self proclaimed elite fu*kers, we are animals too.
Joey: "I'm against all animal exploitation." 2nd guy: "Why don't you talk about halal slaughter? Why are you being so selective?" Talk about projection and a lack of self-awareness. 1st guy was pretty reasonable.
@Nicole Rose I wouldn't say it is a good question at all. It's a way of justifying his own actions by pointing at something someone else is doing that can be considered worse so he feels righteous enough to continue his own barbaric lifestyle. We humans are often guilty of this. I work with a guy who does this. He is smart and claims to love animals yet the "halal" thing is the last pathetic excuse for a justification that he clings to. It's just another form of cowardice. And if we all do this, that is look to what other people are doing that is worse than ourselves as a measure for our values, as opposed to looking at what other people do better than ourselves, then this, collectively, is a huge problem. The former ends in cultural decline and decadence and the end of civilisation and by extension the end of animal rights as it is only civilisation/prosperity that facilitates this in first place. The latter strentghens our moral convictions and integrities and allows for true human evolution toward what we could be. I think it is a mistake to focus on that (halal) in particular because it gives people an excuse/justification for their own actions at the same time as driving a wedge between cultures which would otherwise have a better chance of getting along. Alot of westerners/europeans seem happy to jump at any "reason" to hate muslims, unjustly for the most part, and halal is just another one that helps the ruling class to 'divide and rule'. "Keep the poor and middle class fighting amongst themselves while they run off with all the money". - George Carlin. Works pretty damn well and we should be on guard against this. Probably a longer answer than you needed and a shorter one than I was inclined to give but basically I don't see halal as a big issue. Cruelty is cruelty and debating halal compared to non-halal cruelty just diverts from the main aim of ending animal exploitation, which includes halal anyway. Brings to mind the footage from Earthlings (I think) where they show "kosher" slaughter. It's one of the most deplorable pieces of footage I've seen. I think differentiating between slaughter methods is almost equivalent to getting bogged down in semantics or 'lost in the weeds' so to speak. Focusing on halal is almost akin to people (like the first guy) basically saying "surely there is a more humane way to exploit animals for cheese". Maybe a better way of saying what I am trying to say is that if people arw usually disgusted by what you refer to as "more humane" and are opposed to it in their actions then of course they will be opposed to halal anyway. To me it's a non-issue. Also if Joey were to focus on Halal then this would also lose some of the advantage provided by the 'perceptual contrast principle'. Hope you found an answer somewhere in there :)
@Nicole Rose He does, he's explicitly against it. He doesn't specifically single it out because he's not a welfarist, he's an abolitionist. The difference between halal and other slaughter is a welfarist issue. Focusing on it gives the impression other forms of slaughter are fine.
@Nicole Rose Yeah, no problem.Welfarism is the concern with making slaughter more "humane", making cages bigger, taking cows' children away more kindly, hanging a wind-chime in a farrowing crate and so on. In other words, increasing the welfare of that animals you are exploiting. Abolitionism, on the other hand, is trying to end the exploitation of animals.
@Nicole Rose vegans believe that animals are not here for human use. They are fighting for animal rights/liberation. The right to not be used/exploited/enslaved/killed and eaten in situations where it is unnecessary to do so and we have other alternatives. People fighting for animal welfare believe it IS ok for us to use animals, as long as we try to do it in the 'nicest' way we possibly can. Vegans believe there's not a right way to do the wrong thing and animals are here with us, not for us.
I don’t know how you keep your cool so well with people that constantly make logical fallacies like straw man, character assassination, and others. I’m so glad your out there, I wouldn’t have the calmness you do. Keep on doing you brother!
People get so angry when they have to face the truth of what they pay for. That sheep farmer could barely look at the screen showing the dairy industry. I was actually surprised he used the word murder. It’s rare.
I don't know how you keep it together sometimes, that would frustrate the hell out of me to talk to that second guy. Keep doing what you're doing, Joey! #VEGAN
@@morathanan I just looked her up, might want to turn that pent up aggression toward your doc lol. When I got to anti vaccination she lost all credibility. As a vegan I care more about animal welfare, but I can also confirm that it is the healthiest diet I've ever consumed. Gut health well in tact my friend. Maybe give it a shot and see for yourself :) Peace brother
@@mrrooter3630 No I'm not against vaccination at all (I think it's imperative we vaccinate), the doctor he recommended is though. That's why I didn't take his recommendation seriously
It seems to be a way of accusing people of virtue signaling by saying they're too cowardly to criticise Muslims. He's also trying to shift the focus off his own guilty conscience by pointing to something worse.
"I'll accept your objection to Diary if you put up a sign objecting to Halal." Analogy: I'll accept your objection to sexual harassment if you put up a sign objecting to rape.
The question is not even whether the taste of cheese is worth the abuse, exploitation and eventual killing of dairy cows. The question is whether the DIFFERENCE in taste between dairy cheese and non-dairy cheese is worth the abuse, exploitation and eventual killing of dairy cows.
@@dottommytm To be clear, neither one is worth the abuse, exploitation and eventual killing of dairy cows. My point is that the choice isn't cheese or no cheese. Nearly every person one talks to doing vegan outreach has access to non-dairy cheese.
Yes, this is exactly right, I agree with you Rhody, this is the point I always make. Also, it's not about sacrificing taste pleasure because vegans don't experience less taste pleasure. It's just about the temporary inconvenience of re-adjusting your tastebuds.
@@alanpartridge2140 That's interesting. What if you had to do the exploitation yourself. Imagine there is a spinning wheel with spots for milking the cow, jacking off the bull, sticking your arm up the rectum of the dairy cow and injecting her with semen, taking a calf away from her mother, and shooting a male calf in the head. Every time you eat cheese you have to spin the wheel and personally do what it lands on. Do you think you would eat more dairy cheese, the same amount, or less dairy cheese? Or would you possibly consider Miyoko's mozzarella, Chao slices, Follow Your Heart cheddar, cashew cheese sauce, etc.?
I don’t think you’d have enough room on the sign for all the injustices done to animals in this world today🤦🏼♀️but ya Joey why not mention those injustices instead of the one topic that is mentioned on the sign? Damn Joey what are ya thinking ? Sarcasm of course 💁🏼♀️
The sign would stretch all the way down the street and round the corner and down the next street. Actually, this is sounding like a great idea, he should totally do that.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 There'll be one or two things missing and some idiot will ignore the rest and focus on the one thing that's isn't on the sign.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 Yeah I can already picture it. "Ok. Well Im against tha-" "You didn't mention that in the sign. Why are you attacking all the other cruelties and not this one!? " "I am also agains-" "no you're a hypocrite. What's your aim!?"
What about...What about...What about...What about...What about...What about...What about... What about talking about whats on the damn sign, and not running around in circles?
The guy with the Starbucks cup gets it. Good for him and I hope he finds a good vegan 🌱 cheese out there 🙌🏼. There is more options today to chose from. The older guy though 🤦🏻♀️ he knew going into this discussion that he was going to lose his argument. He’s just mad 😠 at the truth and he couldn’t handle it.
"Why don't you care about halal slaughter?" "I do" "Then why don't you have a sign for it?" "Because I'm talking about dairy specifically" "But you're not protesting it" "Not right now" "Why, don't you care about halal slaughter?" Ad infinitum
@@mrrooter3630 What do you mean ? There is no conflict between my actions and my values regarding the ethical treatment of animals which would cause me to feel bad and become angry.
The seed has been sown with the first guy who seems lovely. He just wasn't aware of his own contradictions and he learned more in that short sit down than he had ever learned in his life. A budding vegan. The second guy is much like some of my religious family members who feel nothing when I tell them that animals are sentient and must have equal rights. In fact I think this man is far worse than my family because he comes with an inconsolable agenda. This video was a true contrast of the members in our species. Some realize in that very moment that what they are doing is wrong, and they somehow respect the facts, and others will never conceptually analyze themselves and take their selfish and backward belief systems to their grave. I have both of those people in my family. Sending thoughts of peace, unity, joy and love to anyone who is vegan and is struggling and anyone who is thinking of committing to veganism, and to those who have yet to feel enough to care enough.
Calm down about “cheese”. 🤦🏽♀️ It’s the rotting, coagulated nipple juice of a non-consenting mother. The things casomorphine does to people’s brains is astonishing.
He was from a sheep farming background. His entire livelihood and the good name of his family were under the accusation of rape. He was apopleptically triggered.
@@owencampbell7956 What deluded that it is a fad that'll soon die down,that it is fashion more than anything, or that the general public don't actually care? Which one do you disagree with?
You know what's awesome about being vegan? I was feeling lazy today so made a quick lunch of pan fried veggies with caramelized onions and as I was eating it I thought to myself "This whole meal has cost me less than $2". I get we are all fighting for the animals, but this method just isn't working. We should sneak attack home makers by telling them about our cheap eats, plant (no pun intended) ideas and let them think they are choosing. I entice soooo many people into eating vegan just by saying things like "oh wow! This recipe is awesome and so cheap to make as well!" Sure, the people are not 100% vegan but even just a meal here and there is a life saved. I find that my "helpfulness" is far more effective then these kind of tactics.
Remember he's from a sheep farming background. He's defending his entire livelihood and the good name of his family from the accusation of rape. It's not just childishness or lack of wisdom; that was a very triggering sign for him. Petulant, childish and unwise as well, of course, but understandable.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 yeah that's my point... The man is what, in his 60s and he still interrupts others when they speak, doesn't listen and just wants to dominate the conversation through being loud and childish. It's just really sad that someone of that age still has this kind of mentality.
@@AliceRoche-ii2ke Oh yeah? Show me a video when he's been as petulant as this man... pointing the finger, asking him why he isn't speaking up about another wrong to justify another. Joey is at least constructive and speaks the truth. He doesn't just throw a tantrum and walk away with things get heated or when he feels like he's losing an argument - which is exactly what this cantankerous old man did! :)
Thank you Joey you bring awareness to these people as they get so aggressive toward you this farmer is getting ridiculous he cant even keep his patience as he keeps cutting Joey as he says he makes all sorts arguments as he walks off wow of course he's was heated he's a farmer
Joey does shit like that the whole time. He interrupts people, he starts big arguments and when he loses and runs off he talks shite behind the person who debunked his propagandas back
I appreciate that you kept on him about even if there weren't alternatives, how can we continue justifying doing that to animals. I think he didn't want to admit it on cam, but he would switch. He was trying to make the argument that humans are greedy, but deep down, if everyone saw the footage and most made the switch, others would follow.
@@carnivore2938 Are you by chance the person who's had a couple different accounts and keeps saying this stuff? Maybe it's time to either talk to the authorities or get counseling.
He's old and has had many decades of being heavily indoctrinated; most younger people are much more aware and have a different attitude. It's the young people that are the future and who will shift us at a faster rate towards change.
@@veganfortheanimals6994 Age is no excuse for his behavior. I'm 57 and was raised on a farm and I don't act like a total c*nt. (Well maybe a little sometimes but not about that :D )
Man that guy just does not listen you have so many videos about different things he just didn’t understand that the topic that day was dairy they are just so brainwashed and they don’t want to admit they are Doing bad things
There were so many aggressive people in these last two videos about dairy. Thank you Joey for having the patience and courage to deal with that crap. People get so defensive about their “right” to exploit animals 🤦🏻♀️ I think it’s going to get a lot worse as veganism gets more and more popular.
@B.M.J. Records not entirely sure what your point is mate. I'm a patron of Joeys, he does stuff his way, and he's doing it, imo, slightly more hard edged and differently than other vegan activists (not going up as far as the ALF of course).
@B.M.J. Records All I'm saying is, Vegans have had their wings clipped so many times this last few years that we're all terrified now of ever being seen as angry. If someone was raping and butchering kids it would be the noblest thing you could do to scream and shout about it, but when it comes to it happening to animals we must all whisper our protests while smiling kindly. Someone SHOULD be taking a more confrontational position on all this. And Joey has the balls to do it. Fair play to him. 👍
@@colinmcnally2280 It takes the entire range of types (but maybe not the PETA style naked women in plastic wrap because that's just like some weird porn)
I'm vegetarian and have been watching your videos to educate myself and decide whether to become vegan. When you said they kill the cows they use to produce milk (bc otherwise there would be too many cows)... idk why I never thought about that, but that did it for me.
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Keep doing the good work👍. Joey you almost won a heart ♥️.
I like cheese, milk and cream
@@alanpartridge2140 🙂💚I like your dad
@@HerbEVore-ti6hs The incredibly vast majority of people believe homicide is wrong you should too
I don't have an issue with Veganism but it is on the average hypocritical.
"What is your aim (for the 423rd time)"
Joey: "I'm against breeding/exploiting animals."
"What is your aim (for the 424th time)"...
Also, Soros? Rockfeler? WTH is he on?
yes, but what was his aim?
He's a wacko nutjob, that believes in Agenda 21.
Yeah, screechingly stupid.
This man came across first as a dunce then discourteous and with the 'does it turn you?' on comment a feeble minded creep. Joey does well to stay as calm as he does. I think he's a seriously brave man to speak out with some of the idiots around.
He is on sheepmilk.., strong shit, puts you in a loop.
The first dude seemed reasonable and wasn't being a dick, respect
Paul Denino but totally dumb 😅
@@Weldras
I'd use the word ignorant
Ok i agree sry on that
And you guys are saying joey doesn't carry on like the last guy. Clear the shit from your eyes
Reasonable how? Opposite is true
WHY isN't ThIs EvEnT aBoUt *HAL-HAL* ? HAL-HAL!!!
He's nuts about Hal Hal 🤣
Lol the hal-hal killing...
ohh boy white people
Maybe he was upset about HAL in the 2001 space odyssey
if it was about hal-hal "WhY IsNT ThIs EvENt AbOuT aNiMaL fArMiNg?"
Sure he's saying HAL-HELL tbh
At least the first dude was respectful and willing to listen.
@Mark Anthony What
I love how Joey can always tell who’s a farmer right away by how triggered they are. 😂 He’s a pro.
What was his argument? He just got heated and walked away...
Could not handle the truth...
Whatabout something else? Are you Soros Rothschild Rockefeller? Now I'll growl and go away! Checkmate vegan!!!1!
House Vibez It’s hard to argue with religious dogma because it’s designed to loop you into logic errors and guilt.
The King Thats deep..
Are you kidding? Clearly his argument was asking 'whats your aim?' nearly 3000 times. Duh dude.
He was so triggered by Joey's sign that he had to just act like a little kid throwing a tantrum. He needed to take a breath and calm down. He just wanted a fight.
The first guy was a real gentleman, the second guy was a complete thug! Keep up the great work Joey!
Thug. I absolutely love that. Good choice of word👌👍
Interesting that the farmer used the word "murdered" when describing what happens to the cows. They know that's the word.
Damn, I bet that stubborn second guy graduated in denial and whataboutism at Omnivore University smh...
@Herbi Lau 🙂👋🌱💚
I like when Joey starts to answer his arguments one by one and there is nothing left the guy starts to laugh and then gets angry... He knows he's wrong so he ran.
Defensive attack-troll rage-quits at having his 'gotcha' questions reasonably answered.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 great argument, carnist
@@carnivore2938 🤣
He got angry because he quickly realized he had no argument
To be fair , it is really frustrating when that happens .
@@isupportthecurrentthing.1514 No doubt, that's not really a good reason to call someone a wacko though lol
He is the embodyment of whataboutism.
@@summerlauren1051 Oh yeah ?
WELL I HAVE NO RESPONSE FOR THAT , YOU DAMN WACKO !
@@isupportthecurrentthing.1514 😉
*Laughs in Muslim* It’s not just halal that has to go, all of it has to go. Thanks Joey, big supporter of yours.
Is Muslim a language? "How does one laugh in Muslim?"
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet that's a meme,mate. Calm down
"Laugh's in Muslim" Amazing!
I love meat
DARK Angel555 same bro I’m eating chicken right now
Animal exploiters are used to be sponsored all the time, thats why he expects Joey to be too
100% support you & the cause brother, we need to keep spreading the truth
What's the truth exactly?
ibrezzly Tv that these animals are exploited and tortured? Is that not obvious?
@@nicholasharfield8780 Lol, we all know what hes trying to do
@@noturdad101
...Yeah. End unnecessary animal cruelty for the sake of the needless victims.
www.ecowatch.com/vegan-climate-change-2558286917.html
What truth morons
"You're an invasive species" you got that right Joey.
You're an invasive species. Go live with some aliens
invasive species? the dudes literally got a desk in the middle of a sidewalk, vegans are the invasive species. storming farmers ranches? vegans are the invasive species
@@travelandshred4690 you are wrong
@@CainDA2003 you are right
@@travelandshred4690 it sounds like you took invasive species and ran away with it LMAO
If you ever have to choose between being kind or being right, choose being kind and you will always be right.
Fact
Beautiful.
It's not always the best way of living sadly but good one
that old guy is walking boomer meme
„I‘m on board with that“ ...sucks on his milk shake. 😂
I don’t want to give up cheese, because abusing animals isn’t that bad compared do the taste of cheese.
Carnist thinking in practice.
i didnt watch all of it but everyone has to transition somehow... not saying we should pat people on the back for cutting down, but we need to respect the transition and this guy is clearly thinking alot more than most carnists do
Yet does your moral and ethical stance extend to humans?
@@perihelion7445 beimg vegan doesnt require you to equate animals and humans, instead it requires you acknowledge their suffering as more important than your pleasure.
@@joe_laird
But don't Vegans generally see humans as the source of all the world's woes hence aren't pro-life?
@@perihelion7445 idk i think being pro life and being vegan are two different beliefs and one doesnt necessarily imply the other. you'll meet vegans who are pro life and some who are pro choice. i think suffering occurs naturally in the world but the definition of veganism is to limit the suffering we cause as far as practicable and possible. that applies to humans and non human animals.
Painful to listen to.How is it possible for some people to be so disengaged from the reality of their actions? And a type 2 diabetic desperate to eat cheese and drink milk ? Such aggression towards someone who just wants to ease the suffering animals from an individual with Islam issues. This is a mad mad world. Keep it up joey
Tbf his doctor probably thinks that dairy is fine for diabetics and just told him to stay away from sugar. You have to understand that most people only seek out health advice from their doctors so if the doctor is clueless then they are too.
Landon P. Most doctors are actually only prescribers.Just hand out the pills and hope for the best
Jeremy Allen That isn’t true at all. If they have a diabetic patient they will almost always talk briefly about diet or refer them to a dietician .
Well you gotta admit I love Me some Milk
That's how you lot sound to most normal people
The farmer only listens to the sound of his own voice - It sounded like he is having an internal battle with that stuff, even using the word murder for the killing of the sheep he farms...he knows, deep down.
He's using words like that to try and get joey to listen to him
@@mrrooter3630 Perhaps that's the case. Joey does listen, and responds to his questions, but this man clearly ignores his replies - making intelligent debate or discussion impossible. I would hazard a guess that the reason for this is that he already knows.
Cool as a cucumber, Joey. Great job. Patience of a saint.
Lol, when that guy started going on about Soros and Rockefeller, nutter
He’s not wrong though on that front. They do fund the vegan cause - and even though it is a good cause, it is for nefarious reasons.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 If ANYTHING, George Soros, Rothschilds and all those surpressors are using THIS GUYS Moral standpoint of exploiting the 'inferior'. They can justify what they do, with the arguments HE uses to justify what HE does to animals. To those self proclaimed elite fu*kers, we are animals too.
And now they are funding veganism in order to not be suspected, as they always try.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 What would be point of that?
Amazing my man🙏🏻 Keep spreading the good word🌱🐮🐷🐔🐰🐟🐑🦃🦆
That second guy 😂 What a train wreck!
Joey: "I'm against all animal exploitation."
2nd guy: "Why don't you talk about halal slaughter? Why are you being so selective?"
Talk about projection and a lack of self-awareness.
1st guy was pretty reasonable.
@Nicole Rose I wouldn't say it is a good question at all. It's a way of justifying his own actions by pointing at something someone else is doing that can be considered worse so he feels righteous enough to continue his own barbaric lifestyle. We humans are often guilty of this. I work with a guy who does this. He is smart and claims to love animals yet the "halal" thing is the last pathetic excuse for a justification that he clings to. It's just another form of cowardice. And if we all do this, that is look to what other people are doing that is worse than ourselves as a measure for our values, as opposed to looking at what other people do better than ourselves, then this, collectively, is a huge problem. The former ends in cultural decline and decadence and the end of civilisation and by extension the end of animal rights as it is only civilisation/prosperity that facilitates this in first place. The latter strentghens our moral convictions and integrities and allows for true human evolution toward what we could be.
I think it is a mistake to focus on that (halal) in particular because it gives people an excuse/justification for their own actions at the same time as driving a wedge between cultures which would otherwise have a better chance of getting along. Alot of westerners/europeans seem happy to jump at any "reason" to hate muslims, unjustly for the most part, and halal is just another one that helps the ruling class to 'divide and rule'.
"Keep the poor and middle class fighting amongst themselves while they run off with all the money". - George Carlin.
Works pretty damn well and we should be on guard against this.
Probably a longer answer than you needed and a shorter one than I was inclined to give but basically I don't see halal as a big issue. Cruelty is cruelty and debating halal compared to non-halal cruelty just diverts from the main aim of ending animal exploitation, which includes halal anyway.
Brings to mind the footage from Earthlings (I think) where they show "kosher" slaughter.
It's one of the most deplorable pieces of footage I've seen.
I think differentiating between slaughter methods is almost equivalent to getting bogged down in semantics or 'lost in the weeds' so to speak.
Focusing on halal is almost akin to people (like the first guy) basically saying "surely there is a more humane way to exploit animals for cheese".
Maybe a better way of saying what I am trying to say is that if people arw usually disgusted by what you refer to as "more humane" and are opposed to it in their actions then of course they will be opposed to halal anyway. To me it's a non-issue.
Also if Joey were to focus on Halal then this would also lose some of the advantage provided by the 'perceptual contrast principle'.
Hope you found an answer somewhere in there :)
@Nicole Rose He does, he's explicitly against it. He doesn't specifically single it out because he's not a welfarist, he's an abolitionist. The difference between halal and other slaughter is a welfarist issue. Focusing on it gives the impression other forms of slaughter are fine.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 Exactly. That is a more succinct way of putting it.
@Nicole Rose Yeah, no problem.Welfarism is the concern with making slaughter more "humane", making cages bigger, taking cows' children away more kindly, hanging a wind-chime in a farrowing crate and so on. In other words, increasing the welfare of that animals you are exploiting. Abolitionism, on the other hand, is trying to end the exploitation of animals.
@Nicole Rose vegans believe that animals are not here for human use. They are fighting for animal rights/liberation. The right to not be used/exploited/enslaved/killed and eaten in situations where it is unnecessary to do so and we have other alternatives. People fighting for animal welfare believe it IS ok for us to use animals, as long as we try to do it in the 'nicest' way we possibly can. Vegans believe there's not a right way to do the wrong thing and animals are here with us, not for us.
I don’t know how you keep your cool so well with people that constantly make logical fallacies like straw man, character assassination, and others. I’m so glad your out there, I wouldn’t have the calmness you do. Keep on doing you brother!
OMG that last guy. They just clump ideologies together without accepting that they are usually distinct.
Same as you Vegans
Joey “ George Soros sponsored” Carbstong 🤦♂️
"George Soros" is going to be my new drinking game.
We need to oppose the globalists agenda to implement halal veganism into Inuit society! Fight the power! ✊️
He could very well be and doesn’t know it.
You obviously aren’t clued in to the gIobaIist agenda.
The cognitive dissonance in full effect.
Thank you Joey for everything you're doing!
People get so angry when they have to face the truth of what they pay for. That sheep farmer could barely look at the screen showing the dairy industry. I was actually surprised he used the word murder. It’s rare.
His carnist nonsense got destroyed by facts and logic 100%! Louis Gedo where are you ;)
Yes, where is he lately? I've been missing his positive comments
@@carnivore2938 evidence?
@@carnivore2938 well I don't follow you around, so how would I know lol.
@@michelleyb8536 louis gedo is sorting some stuffs in other countries. I confused louis gedo by talking about karma.
I don't know how you keep it together sometimes, that would frustrate the hell out of me to talk to that second guy. Keep doing what you're doing, Joey! #VEGAN
@@morathanan I just looked her up, might want to turn that pent up aggression toward your doc lol. When I got to anti vaccination she lost all credibility. As a vegan I care more about animal welfare, but I can also confirm that it is the healthiest diet I've ever consumed. Gut health well in tact my friend. Maybe give it a shot and see for yourself :) Peace brother
@@morathanan this is how you guys sound to farmers and normal people when you used obsurd words out of context.
You sound like the man your criticising right now
@@Ragin08 are you saying your anti vax
@@mrrooter3630 No I'm not against vaccination at all (I think it's imperative we vaccinate), the doctor he recommended is though. That's why I didn't take his recommendation seriously
Hallal tho, Rothschilds tho, Selective tho, Eskimos tho... 😆 This dude is all over the place, he's an illogical machine gun.
Humans are an odd animal!!!!
You are doing amazing joey
Is that older guy opposing Halal or Muslims? He was very laser-focused on the subject.
Is it wrong to oppose barbaric practices of a religion?
Or is catholic pedophilia perfectly alright?
@@alanpartridge2140 Are you saying that older guy supports pedophilia because he didn't mention it?
It seems to be a way of accusing people of virtue signaling by saying they're too cowardly to criticise Muslims. He's also trying to shift the focus off his own guilty conscience by pointing to something worse.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 No not at all but being opposed to halal and certain islamic practices is a perfectly legitimate standpoint
Alan Partridge, It was very odd he wouldn't discuss the topic at hand. How is Halal anymore barbaric that none Halal meat?
every single thing the guy could reel off you had an answer for, never seen some1 struggle so hard in an argument
The classical reaction if someone don’t have arguments. Good Job 💪
Ah a vegan then
Yep a meat eater, with no argument period. Good job joey
@@angelnblak8049 ahh a vegan with an argument
"I'll accept your objection to Diary if you put up a sign objecting to Halal."
Analogy: I'll accept your objection to sexual harassment if you put up a sign objecting to rape.
Good one, I would comment "lol" and add a smiley when it´s not that sad.
What a nice respectable guy, much easier to talk with than the first guy stuck on greenhouse gasses lol
Thank you Joey for what you do.💗💗💗
For the animals ✊
For the meat eaters & milk drinkers ✊
@@S.R._.848 you mean animal abusers
The question is not even whether the taste of cheese is worth the abuse, exploitation and eventual killing of dairy cows. The question is whether the DIFFERENCE in taste between dairy cheese and non-dairy cheese is worth the abuse, exploitation and eventual killing of dairy cows.
No, its the first one. Even if vegan cheese didnt exist the morals wouldnt change
@@dottommytm To be clear, neither one is worth the abuse, exploitation and eventual killing of dairy cows. My point is that the choice isn't cheese or no cheese. Nearly every person one talks to doing vegan outreach has access to non-dairy cheese.
I would say so, yes.
Yes, this is exactly right, I agree with you Rhody, this is the point I always make. Also, it's not about sacrificing taste pleasure because vegans don't experience less taste pleasure. It's just about the temporary inconvenience of re-adjusting your tastebuds.
@@alanpartridge2140 That's interesting. What if you had to do the exploitation yourself. Imagine there is a spinning wheel with spots for milking the cow, jacking off the bull, sticking your arm up the rectum of the dairy cow and injecting her with semen, taking a calf away from her mother, and shooting a male calf in the head. Every time you eat cheese you have to spin the wheel and personally do what it lands on. Do you think you would eat more dairy cheese, the same amount, or less dairy cheese? Or would you possibly consider Miyoko's mozzarella, Chao slices, Follow Your Heart cheddar, cashew cheese sauce, etc.?
The old guy in the hat…a perfect example of how to implement ‘gish galloping’ when you have no logical argument.
Excellent job, Joey! You are my inspiration 🌱
He only heard his om Words, really scary. How could you not hit him? Impressive
I see, you can´t hit every omnivore though. We all know their behaviour when confronted with the truth.
I don’t think you’d have enough room on the sign for all the injustices done to animals in this world today🤦🏼♀️but ya Joey why not mention those injustices instead of the one topic that is mentioned on the sign? Damn Joey what are ya thinking ? Sarcasm of course 💁🏼♀️
The sign would stretch all the way down the street and round the corner and down the next street. Actually, this is sounding like a great idea, he should totally do that.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 There'll be one or two things missing and some idiot will ignore the rest and focus on the one thing that's isn't on the sign.
@@azzat-9046 "Yes, but what about lab-rat nail clipping in Luxemburg, why don't you mention that, hypocrite!"
@@fearofaveganplanet8513
Yeah I can already picture it.
"Ok. Well Im against tha-"
"You didn't mention that in the sign. Why are you attacking all the other cruelties and not this one!? "
"I am also agains-"
"no you're a hypocrite. What's your aim!?"
There are some great vegan cheeses now. Even supermarket own brands are great. That second guy was hilarious.
That dude surviving the urban lifestyle like an Eskimo 😆😆😆
10:44 they both have their hands on the table the same way. LOL
What about...What about...What about...What about...What about...What about...What about...
What about talking about whats on the damn sign, and not running around in circles?
Love that comment. What about...
What about the holocaust that's going on right here, right now.
The guy with the Starbucks cup gets it. Good for him and I hope he finds a good vegan 🌱 cheese out there 🙌🏼. There is more options today to chose from. The older guy though 🤦🏻♀️ he knew going into this discussion that he was going to lose his argument. He’s just mad 😠 at the truth and he couldn’t handle it.
Bless your soul Joey. You are a true hero in the face of this crazy evil world. Keep going my brother ✊
Sounds like the old farmer is going crazy over conspiracy theories, and doesn't understand that animal exploitation is an actual issue.
04:59 - I agree with Eric Idle here. Nothing tastes as good as important having good values and aligning your actions with them is.
Oh gosh what's wrong with people... 😑
Whataboutism. I wonder how you can stay calm. thanks for speaking up!
That last guy "why aren't we talk about everything, all the time, all at once, at the same time? You're gutless!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You're the best Joey !
"Why don't you care about halal slaughter?"
"I do"
"Then why don't you have a sign for it?"
"Because I'm talking about dairy specifically"
"But you're not protesting it"
"Not right now"
"Why, don't you care about halal slaughter?"
Ad infinitum
"Rothschild's tho!"
11:57 What is wrong with this guy ? Probably intense cognitive dissonance going on.
Same can be said about you Vegans
@@mrrooter3630 What do you mean ? There is no conflict between my actions and my values regarding the ethical treatment of animals which would cause me to feel bad and become angry.
He got triggered on every level possible.
#KudosJoey 👌
Joey shartstrong
@@the1stdanielgavin83 Joey Barfstrong
The seed has been sown with the first guy who seems lovely. He just wasn't aware of his own contradictions and he learned more in that short sit down than he had ever learned in his life. A budding vegan.
The second guy is much like some of my religious family members who feel nothing when I tell them that animals are sentient and must have equal rights. In fact I think this man is far worse than my family because he comes with an inconsolable agenda.
This video was a true contrast of the members in our species. Some realize in that very moment that what they are doing is wrong, and they somehow respect the facts, and others will never conceptually analyze themselves and take their selfish and backward belief systems to their grave. I have both of those people in my family.
Sending thoughts of peace, unity, joy and love to anyone who is vegan and is struggling and anyone who is thinking of committing to veganism, and to those who have yet to feel enough to care enough.
And death to all who oppose vegans right? Lol
🤙
Intelligent Design that 1st guy was so cute, excited for him
Have a shot for every red herring this guy throws out
Lb96 nah I don’t want to end up getting my stomach pumped
Are you trying to put me in the ground?
Ah you done really well there Joey. That man was so angry. His thinking is on such a different level. Respect✌
Calm down about “cheese”. 🤦🏽♀️ It’s the rotting, coagulated nipple juice of a non-consenting mother. The things casomorphine does to people’s brains is astonishing.
It is literally, white blood.
George Soros Tho
Also the Camels abused in Saudi Arabia totally justify whatever else. smh
Pomo Dorino Obviously
Yeah thats a new one
Rhinoinasuit Like there wasn’t enough genius ones to deal with 🤦🏻♂️
@@RunningIntoMyself their creative stupidity keeps us from getting bored atleast! I'll give them that
Joey you global elitist you shilling for the oat milk and hummus industries LOL
Are you gay with him because if your not stop commenting shit
Save the animals from the abattoir. Let them roam and enjoy the world.
That second dude was really weird. What was even his point?
his point was he didn't want Joey saying and showing these truths.
He was from a sheep farming background. His entire livelihood and the good name of his family were under the accusation of rape. He was apopleptically triggered.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 false accusations hurt people.
@@AliceRoche-ii2ke Yeah, not false though.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 definitely false.
And it's not the first time I have heard farmers use that word somewhat unconsciously.
respect to the vegan lad that walked past with the vegan hoodie on!
You said it all. Veganism is just a fashion trend it'll die down soon, people don't actually care
@@alanpartridge2140 youre either a troll or deluded lol.
@@owencampbell7956 What deluded that it is a fad that'll soon die down,that it is fashion more than anything, or that the general public don't actually care?
Which one do you disagree with?
@@owencampbell7956 Why does he need to project his diet? Jeezo people are so boring nowadays.
@@alanpartridge2140 whats so fashionable by not killing innocent creatures?
I HATE how people try to minimise the pain of animals! They try to bring up other issues they think are more important. Disgusting! 😡
The only value this man has brought to the conversation is coining the term "Hellhell"
Well done Joey!!!! Keep educating these people. Such a disconnect!
Thank you Joey for speaking up for the victims 👍👍
You know what's awesome about being vegan? I was feeling lazy today so made a quick lunch of pan fried veggies with caramelized onions and as I was eating it I thought to myself "This whole meal has cost me less than $2".
I get we are all fighting for the animals, but this method just isn't working. We should sneak attack home makers by telling them about our cheap eats, plant (no pun intended) ideas and let them think they are choosing.
I entice soooo many people into eating vegan just by saying things like "oh wow! This recipe is awesome and so cheap to make as well!" Sure, the people are not 100% vegan but even just a meal here and there is a life saved.
I find that my "helpfulness" is far more effective then these kind of tactics.
Omg, feel sorry for how stupid the last man is at his age. Incredibly petulant. Not wise at all. How do you reach that age and be so childish? Ffs
Remember he's from a sheep farming background. He's defending his entire livelihood and the good name of his family from the accusation of rape. It's not just childishness or lack of wisdom; that was a very triggering sign for him. Petulant, childish and unwise as well, of course, but understandable.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 yeah that's my point... The man is what, in his 60s and he still interrupts others when they speak, doesn't listen and just wants to dominate the conversation through being loud and childish. It's just really sad that someone of that age still has this kind of mentality.
@@Baz87100 which is exactly what joey does.
@@AliceRoche-ii2ke Oh yeah? Show me a video when he's been as petulant as this man... pointing the finger, asking him why he isn't speaking up about another wrong to justify another. Joey is at least constructive and speaks the truth. He doesn't just throw a tantrum and walk away with things get heated or when he feels like he's losing an argument - which is exactly what this cantankerous old man did! :)
Thanks for your work Joey! Always motivates me to do activism, too. More people need to know about this cruelty.
Peace and have a nice day.🌱
Thank you Joey you bring awareness to these people as they get so aggressive toward you this farmer is getting ridiculous he cant even keep his patience as he keeps cutting Joey as he says he makes all sorts arguments as he walks off wow of course he's was heated he's a farmer
Joey does shit like that the whole time. He interrupts people, he starts big arguments and when he loses and runs off he talks shite behind the person who debunked his propagandas back
I appreciate that you kept on him about even if there weren't alternatives, how can we continue justifying doing that to animals. I think he didn't want to admit it on cam, but he would switch. He was trying to make the argument that humans are greedy, but deep down, if everyone saw the footage and most made the switch, others would follow.
I laughed so hard when he asked if Rockefeller or Rothschild sponsors Joey. Hahahah Carnist thinking.
It´s not that utopic. Soros sponsors FFF, for example.
PAMELA soooooooo funny
Someone gives a shit, must be government conspiracy. LMAO
I am in awe of how calm you are with these people. Keep up the good work man.
*Create a Better World by........Going and Living Vegan*
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For sure!
@@carnivore2938 Teenagers Lives Matter
@@carnivore2938 Sounds like someone is looking for attention.
@@carnivore2938 Are you by chance the person who's had a couple different accounts and keeps saying this stuff? Maybe it's time to either talk to the authorities or get counseling.
you handled that angry farmer perfectly, your responses were quick and effective.. he made a fool of himself, emotions got the better of him.
Says the Vegan.👌
That second guys brainwashed mind made me worry about what we have ahead of us as movement
He's old and has had many decades of being heavily indoctrinated; most younger people are much more aware and have a different attitude. It's the young people that are the future and who will shift us at a faster rate towards change.
@@veganfortheanimals6994 yes!
@@veganfortheanimals6994 Age is no excuse for his behavior. I'm 57 and was raised on a farm and I don't act like a total c*nt. (Well maybe a little sometimes but not about that :D )
I wouldn't worry about it - just enjoy the challenge. Brainwashed ignorance puts up a lot of bluster but it's actually a really feeble position.
You guys sound like Alex Jones
The Inuit or Eskimos who hunt for survival are long gone. They all have grocery stores in their villages.
Man that guy just does not listen you have so many videos about different things he just didn’t understand that the topic that day was dairy they are just so brainwashed and they don’t want to admit they are Doing bad things
Nor do you like to admit you still kill animals.
The 2nd guy could not hold a proper conversation 😂 kept changing the topic every 2 seconds "what about the reindeer tho" like dude 1 thing at a time
"Isn´t there a more humane way to kill animals?"🤔 Yeah, I´ve heard that question before in my conversations with omnivores.
@Mind Deep It can take several shots to kill an animal that way.
Lol, you are an Omnivore.
There are more humane ways to kill an animal. It's called a gun
@@mrrooter3630 yeah, you're right.
@@mrrooter3630 The other person deleted their comment, but as I pointed out, it can take several shots to kill an animal that way.
This so funny, he tried to put you in your place and say how nutters you are but just showed over 10k (and counting) ppl how nutters he is.
damn these people so hostile man!
There were so many aggressive people in these last two videos about dairy. Thank you Joey for having the patience and courage to deal with that crap. People get so defensive about their “right” to exploit animals 🤦🏻♀️ I think it’s going to get a lot worse as veganism gets more and more popular.
Keep it up man. I think there's definitely a niche somewhere between Earthling Ed and the ALF and you're filling it doing stuff like this. 👍
@B.M.J. Records not entirely sure what your point is mate. I'm a patron of Joeys, he does stuff his way, and he's doing it, imo, slightly more hard edged and differently than other vegan activists (not going up as far as the ALF of course).
@B.M.J. Records All I'm saying is, Vegans have had their wings clipped so many times this last few years that we're all terrified now of ever being seen as angry. If someone was raping and butchering kids it would be the noblest thing you could do to scream and shout about it, but when it comes to it happening to animals we must all whisper our protests while smiling kindly. Someone SHOULD be taking a more confrontational position on all this. And Joey has the balls to do it. Fair play to him. 👍
@@colinmcnally2280 It takes the entire range of types (but maybe not the PETA style naked women in plastic wrap because that's just like some weird porn)
Will someone please think of the Hal hal
I'm happy to be a non-vegan.
Same, it's nice to not be a sheep.
@NooMax4ever oh good idea! I think I'll do that. thanks!☺
Keep them coming, i will keep sharing
I'm vegetarian and have been watching your videos to educate myself and decide whether to become vegan. When you said they kill the cows they use to produce milk (bc otherwise there would be too many cows)... idk why I never thought about that, but that did it for me.