An important thing to note is that Enemy was specifically made for this show not a random ID song they shoved in to the show. As others have mentioned ID has a long history with League of Legend and Riot.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat my friend convinced me to watch this show, and it took me so long to do it because the two biggest things I absolutely cannot stand, #1 being that League of Legends is genuinely one of the least fun games Ive ever had to slog through, and #2 being that Imagine Dragons is absolutely insufferable. I almost stopped watching after the theme song. Im glad I didn't, obviously, but I seriously think this 10/10 show could be somehow even better if it ditched the hipster radio soundtrack.
I love the cut from Viktor in a hospital bed saying "How long do I have", then it immediately cuts to the tarot cards Death and The Magician. Its such a good transition. Not subtle, but this show doesn't need to be subtle to be brilliant
@@TheLangenator Yeah, thanks. I was thinking that but didn't want to give names. It's awesome foreshadowing. I watched it so many times but didn't realize it till I saw your comment 😅
Marcus makes me sad. He saw how his mentor had an underhanded deal with Vander and did the same with Silco out of naiveté and found himself trapped, having made a deal with a monster. Like they say the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
the issue I have with Marcus is that he doesn’t have any empathy or respect for zaunites compared to Grayson who would at least try to understand them and see them as people. everything Marcus did in the first act was out of spite and his desire of control over zaunites, like portrayed in his encounters with Vander. and he locked up a 14-16 years old girl, indirectly killed Benzo and Grayson because of his deal with Silco. he only starts to feel guilt as a corrupt sheriff with a daughter, years after. and again, as portrayed in the grenade scene with Silco, it’s mostly because of his lack of control over the situation. it indeed makes the character flawed and gives him depth, but i hardly feel bad for him. he deserves everything that happens next.
Markus makes it hard for me watch this show. Being betrayed and still making deals with Silco is just dumb as hell. Good intentions aren't worth anything to me if you do the same thing again and expect things to change. Silco changed the deal once in a whim, why shouldn't he continue to behave like that? Making another deal with him is just selling yourself.
@@aaronyayger there’s a misunderstanding that must be my fault because you assume that i don’t emphasize or understand him, i apologize if I explained myself wrongly but those aren’t my words. i do have empathy for him, he has a development of character that deserves attention. but by being human comes human response, it’s perfectly understandable if people have a hang up since he isn’t a appreciable person, that makes bad decisions again and again. Viktor says it himself, we always have a choice, and many are the times he could’ve behaved better. but he’s portrayed as a coward, that has responsibility, yes, but still a coward that can only dream to be as respectable and well driven as Grayson. and of course, i understand your point of view on the character and i only love arcane more now knowing a different opinion
@@Shmebuloksonit’s not that hard to figure out why Marcus is still working with Silco, he has evidence that Marcus was complicit in Graysons death, and later on Silco was threatening to murder his daughter if he didn’t go along with him, they literally say in episode 8 “it’s not about what he had to gain, but what he had to loose”
@@macalveyggg6552 Makes it even worse. He is giving and giving while Silco just needs to hold the threat level. As Viktor said: "There is always a choice". So Markus chose to go on working with Silco instead of confessing one fault so he makes more and more faults to conceal the first one. That's human behaviour, of course, but still pretty dumb. Silco wasn't honest before so why he thinks Silco wouldn't sell him as soon as he's not profitable anymore? Hoping Silco won't betray him is hoping Silco doesn't Silco.
I don't think I've seen a single reactor to this show get that Marcus is trying to follow Grayson's example by working with Silco. He saw her working with Vander (the de facto leader of the undercity) so he tries to do the same with the new leader of the undercity. It doesn't excuse everything he's done, but nobody seems to get his motivations and just label him as trash.
People never seem to understand that Silco has leverage over him and he’s locked into working with Silco. The majority of reactors seem to think that characters all have to be morally black or white. So, even in the face of morally gray actions, they force the characters into the black or white zones that they’ve preconceived in their own heads.
Yup it's a really strange take everyone seems to default to. Same with how Jynx gets main character protection: "Aww but she's mentally ill" Marcus and especially Silco are some of my fav characters in the show as they are nuanced and not cardboard cutout character types
No he isn't, has nothing to do with Grayson. he's stuck because of Episode 3, Silco deliberately engineered the situation to have Marcus implicated in the murder of Grayson and now Marcus can't get out of their arrangement without that coming out. Even in a city as corrupt as Piltover that being found out wouldn't be ignorable. He got himself stuck under Silco's thumb and now it's not just himself at risk but also his daughter. He's too much of a coward to take the personal consequences of owning up and he can't put his daughters life in danger by defying Silco so he's trapped himself.
@@troikas3353 I don't think it's fair to say it has NOTHING to do with Grayson when it shows you a scene of Marcus lamenting his situation with his daughter at Graysons grave. Marcus became the wrong kind of idealist compared to Grayson, again it's a nuance of his character that paper thin ones like Vi lack
@@troikas3353 Correct. Greyson’s dynamic with Vander was one of (almost) equals. Marcus is in Silco’s control. Any attempt by Marcus to extract himself means sacrificing his daughter’s future. Piltover appears to be a rigidly stratified patrician society; Marcus has no family name, thus is on the lowest rungs. Without his position as sheriff, his daughter has no shot at much of a life. All Silco has to do is expose Marcus, and the Piltover council will ruin his life and that of his daughter. Silco doesn’t have to lift a finger to punish any disobedience from Marcus; the very Piltover society Marcus serves will do it for him. And Silco never lets him forget. I feel bad for Marcus; by the time he realized his mistake, it was too late. If he does the “right thing,” it’s his daughter who pays the price. Preventing his daughter from paying that price is the only honorable act left to him.
Most people dismiss Jayce as being an easily misled dope. He is naive to the ways of the world, sure, but he's also frighteningly competent at everything he sets his mind to. Science, manufacturing, administration, diplomacy, the art of the deal, and the art of war. (And judging by Mel's fucked out look, he ain't bad in the sack neither.) The guy doesn't mess around.
"He thought he groomed it all out of you." This is very perceptive. Silco and Powder have an unhealthy relationship. It doesn't actually go to those creepy places but there's an element of it. He's mostly fatherly, but not quite. He needs the affection. And so does she. The complex thing about Silco is that he actually does love Powder, at least he thinks he does, but his weakness is that he doesn't know how to love without needing to control. There's always an element of usury in his relationship to Powder. That mistrust finds its way into the cracks of their relationship.
There is a 1:1 equivalence between those who insist on using the word “groomer” to describe Silco, and those who would side with Piltover continuing to control and dictate Zaun’s future. Silco was right about such people: they will never understand.
@@robertwise2032 As someone who is absolutely not a fan of Piltover and thinks Zaun should have independence from them, I can say that Silco did implement grooming tactics with Jinx. Grooming doesn't always have a sexual element and I think people get hung up on that. The definition of grooming is the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity. To ensure control and loyalty over Jinx Silco did initially utilize these tactics. Again, not sexually but in a way that makes the relationship feel unbalanced and unhealthy. That being said though I do believe Silco loves Jinx and she loved him, but it is in a complex and not so productive way. Doesn't mean it isn't true. I think what tim said is right on the money as is the comment about grooming tactics because from a base level their relationship had those aspects.
@@izcanoli2539Here’s the problem: “grooming” is one of many words in our time that have become what S I Hayakawa called a “snarl word.” A content-free verbal noise that expresses angry emotions and nothing else; in practice, amounting to “something of which one ought to disapprove.” These words function according to archaic mythological concepts of defilement and taboo; wrong opinions and those who hold them must be excluded from the community because all who come too close to them risk becoming accursed. Silco is Jinx’s father, just as surely as Vander was VI’s father. Families in Zaun operate differently than they do in Piltover, or in our world. We see very few people in Zaun of Vander’s or Silco’s age. Look carefully; there appears to be almost an entire generation missing. No one in Zaun, even post-timeskip, has guns except for Jinx. Jinx’s guns are clearly powered by a Shimmer derivative, whereas the enforcers clearly use traditional gunpowder. It’s logical to assume that gunpowder is tightly controlled, and unavailable in the undercity. Vander led a rebellion where one side had melee weapons and one had guns; I suspect that the result was a missing generation. I suspect many, if not most, families in Zaun are “secondhand” out of sheer necessity. There probably is what we would call “grooming” in Zaun, but I see no evidence of it in Silco’s fatherhood, nor in Vander’s. Both of them did their best to make their children strong in an environment where there was never enough to go around. “What makes you different makes you strong.” Every character in Arcane cannot escape a fundamental and unresolved fracture in their society: politically, Zaun is still technically part of Piltover. Culturally, it has not been for a long time. Piltover is literally blind to the fact that Zaun exists as its own culture. They use slurs like “trencher” to describe the inhabitants. This monumental disconnect affects every event and every character. One way or another, situations that are unsustainable will eventually not be sustained.
@@robertwise2032Great reply, nailed it. I think while the technical term for "grooming" may be as broad in description as "to manipulate", I can almost guarantee that these two reactors used the word specifically because everything in our current society MUST be icky in a sexual manner when it comes to any two characters of age difference.. The relationship between Jinx and Silcoe is unorthodox and certainly toxic, but it's weirdness ends at father-daughter disfunction.
After finishing this show I watched several videos from pro kickboxers/martial artists who analyzed the fight scenes and broke down every single move they did, the animators studied the fuck out of some fighting to make these scenes. Specifically the fight between Sevika and vi, it’s such a badass scene, and they were so hyped when they watched it.
Never minded the song or band and from an artistic point of view, if I was in their shoes I'd totally want to be in the show, lol. Didn't feel out of place for me and kinda liked it actually. I really do like Vi and Cupcake's dynamic in this episode. Two worlds coming together and working together. Some build up happening that's going to be fun watching the reaction to. Can't wait for the next one ;)
@@ruanpablo2553 Describe me what isn't generic today? I'm really curious about everyone's music taste, i can almost listen to anything til it's good and has a value, a meaning and a standard. And all of you don't understand ID's really long partnership with LoL(Riot) is funny, it goes back to 2014 with Warriors. I guess most of you just jumped on the Arcane hypetrain and that's it. You won't be special if you hate on something or someone popular lol.
Hello, we can see that the episode title "everyone wants to be my enemy" applies to several characters, Powder and her PTSD with ghosts that haunt her, Caitlin going to a place she doesn't know where her mentor was ambushed in an alley, I saw returning to a place that was once his home but is now that of his enemy, Marcus with pressure from Silco on one side and Jace on the other, Jace who now as a counselor is in the sights of the other members of the council. At the beginning we see that Caitlin crosses the line and literally frees Vi and remembers her mentor and her advice in contrast Marcus buries his officers while making a deal with Silco (remember the second episode) "a coin crosses for every crime" and "the "I'll bury everyone," Caitlin takes a risk and settles with Vi while Marcus gives up under pressure from Silco. On the other hand, Victor's condition worsens and he claims to Jave that they should help the people of the suburban district, perhaps he reaches the limit in his investigations, either physically and mentally, alienating himself from others or discovering mysteries that he should not solve, Jace on the other hand. On the other hand, he leaves aside the investigations and surrounds himself with politicians who only want more for themselves and thanks to Mel Medarda, he enters the game and literally puts it into his game, while his mentor Hermeindingger is enjoying the play with his eyes closed, it is The only one left out of these deals (non-spoiler foreshadowing), Vi finds a clue to her sister and gets an enforcer to free her to try to find her. Her Parkour demonstration leaves her freed when she reaches the bottom, breathes and looks up. At first she is quite harsh with her partner but she soon brings her up to speed when she discovers that her sister is now the darling of the district chief. We can see how several characters relate to each other, Jace and Mel as lovers, Victor and Sky only as colleagues but she wants something more, Silco defines himself as a father after baptizing his daughter Jinx, Vi and Caitlin, colleagues?
You may not get why Imagine Dragon's are in the Arcane universe but its pretty obvious. I think you guys are lovely but your missing a lot of the "Tells" the show littters thru each episode. Its very clever writing & direction.❤
Can someone please explain imagine dragons hate? The only argument I ever saw was how thunder, radioactive and believer were mainstream or something. But enemy is genuinely a good song? Also what about bad liar, bones, demons, birds, i bet my life... and so on? They make amazing music and knowing three most popular songs and nothing else and then calling them trash is a little silly
calling any music trash is just a ridiculous take in the first place.. that thing maple said, "theres art.. and then theres this". its like, thats the whole point of art, there is no bad art, its all up to interpretation and what you get out of something. my argument would be if the music is so objectively bad why has it been so popular for so long
I think it's mostly a meme at this point, similar to the Nickelback hate bandwagon about a decade ago. It's just funny and fun to hate on how corny they can be sometimes, idk
@@Kobrakai21 The issue with Nickelback, at least for people that disliked them for more than just the meme factor, was they were very blunt about their music being a product they made to sell. Kroeger has talked about how they use analytics and trend data to make songs that will hit mass market appeal. It's just kinda crappy when there are so many other artists out there that write music because they actually love music and want to express something who don't get a fraction of the airtime Nickelback got on the radio. Especially Rock Radio which has a huge problem with over-relying on established names and decades old bands while new blood in rock struggles to get any time at all, it's part of why Rock as a genre has fallen so far off in relevance.
@@jesterscupcake exactly. If you don't like it, skip it. Frankly at this point I'm getting annoyed by their annoyance. You said you don't like it. We get it, now suck it up and move on.
Why do I get the feeling that most people's disdain for ID is like how most people "hate" pineapple on pizza? I understand that everyone has different tastes, but the consistency feels like bandwagoning...
Eh, there is definitely a taste thing going on here too. I don't think you're 100% incorrect, but I've seen the sentiment from enough people that makes it clear there is more to it than that.
@@patrickcarter2829 Oh its no controversy or drama! Just not everyone's cup of tea. "ID" comes across as "fake" or "produced" to many people, BUT I'm not saying they are. Just saying that's how it comes across sonically. They still have my respect as artists, they just aren't for me. And this feeling certainly isn't limited to ID, entire genres can feel that way to different people depending on their backgrounds.
@@patrickcarter2829they seem like lovely guys. people just don't like their music because it's derivative and overblown and lacks nuance. and that's okay
That's what I thought. It seemed to come out of nowhere, too. Back in the day, I know people grew to dislike them because their hit song Radioactive was so overplayed and thus became repetitive and annoying to some people. That doesn't happen to me but I can understand it. It could just be their genre of music that's disliked, but if that's the case it seems weird to single them out. Your guess is as good as mine.
Meh, the only reason you think the bands inclusion is lame is because you recognize them. A lot of the songs in the show have been diagetic, actually being played in the world either by live musicians in the scene, a phonograph or the jukebox. They did the same thing with Ray Chen this episode, the violinist on the stage was modeled after the series classical music composer, but no one cares cause few people know who he is. Silco and Powder's relationship is deliberately framed as unsettling. It's toxic and abusive in the extreme and they add a lot of little elements to their interactions designed to make your skin crawl. Though predictably there is a subsect of the fandom that completely misunderstands that and thinks the show is saying he's a good "father" to her.
I don't mind diegetic music. I mind imagine dragons. If it was a better band I'd be into it. They've been on a kpop kick lately with their videos so that woulda been better.
The weirdness in the Silco/Jinx relationship is more to demonstrate Jinx's immaturity. He sees her as his daughter but she's stuck in the past and still views herself as a little girl.
Seriously what did imagine dragons do to you lol. The song was written for this show and you only know it, because it's popularity exploded beyond the show. Why? Because it slaps that hard, sorry...
As someone who likes some Imagine Dragons every now and then the best part of this clip was watching Maple & Arianna sit through Enemy with such contempt. Their suffering is too hilarious! Best part of the reaction.
I don't mind Imagine Dragons, but hating them has been a decently common point of view for quite a while. I can see why they would get tired of them though, their music tends to get overplayed.
Imagine Dragons is annoying sounding 🤷♂️ People can dislike whatever music they want to. Claiming its "out of place" or that they're only hating on them because its popular to is just a cope. You just have to accept that not everyone shares your taste in music.
@@TuskyBaby But that's literally what it seems like. Their hate for it is cringe ASF and childish as hell. If they don't like it, fine. But saying "my stomach hurts" when hearing it is hella pathetic.
Lol the band only had a cameo because they're fans and have done music for the game. It did make me cringe a little the first time I watched it. The musician on the stage while Jayce was making deals is also a real person, his name is Ray Chen and his music has been featured in the game as well.
I thought the musicians being in the show was lit. It is also okay to dislike something, but the statements made by the two youtubers here during the Imagine Dragons scene felt so stuck up disrespectful. I thank you for your knowledgeable comment, and I hope they see it so at least they know.
If Grayson had chose to beat Caitlyn, they prob would’ve said “cmon, you could’ve let the kid win!” Lol. In fairness, I think she understood the point of why Grayson let her win once she said the line about “being of service to the city is trophy enough”.
Because people competing in a competition like that don't want to be handed a win, they want to actually achieve it themselves. It's why Cait was annoyed that she thought her parents had payed her off. She was born with a platinum spoon in her mouth but she wants to earn her own achievements. .
@@troikas3353 yes, I get that on a general level, but im speaking within the context of that scene. I understand the psychology of Caitlyn’s character and why she would hate the idea of someone letting her win / her parents orchestrating a win for her.
This is my favorite episode because it's such a good midpoint. Every storyline gets some kind of transformative change. And those changes set up the powerful episodes to come.
I think it also does a great job of showing that everyone has complex motivations. Mel is using Jayce, but she's also attracted to him. Jayce wants to do right but he's tempted by his passions. Viktor has a personal stake in Hextek that's starting to show elements of self-destructiveness. Silco is both nurturing and manipulative with Powder, caring but cynical, fatherly with uncomfortable groomer subtext. Vi subtly reveals that she's attracted to Cait. Cait is a consummate professional who helped break someone out of prison.
@@xwx111 I'm just not a fan of their other music. Their other popular singles like Thunder, Radioactive & Believer, I really don't like and actively avoid. But something about Enemy works for me, I don't know what it is, but it's the one ID song I like.
Can we skip over the trashy and cringe hate on ID after this video? I could care less about their music, but its clear from the comments that the whining is getting a little old. You don't hate them for any specific reasons other than its popular to hate them, which is ironic. Also, to ignore the relationship between LoL and ID is just being ignorant.
Ya’ll really need to see the music video that the show produce “enemy” by imagine dragons. They showed scenes from them all being kids that we didn’t get to see in the show. Like they showed powder jamming with ekko.
In the intro flashback Greyson asks young Cait “that begs the question young Kiriman, what are you shooting for?” In the end of the episode we see Cait not shoot to kill but to defend a life.
Okay, think of Imagine Dragons what you will, but they are one of the reasons that this show ever saw the light of day. At this point it just feels bad to see that level of contempt.
@@felezeros4556 That editing, comment and exaggerated reaction is not them "not liking the song", its them showing extreme contempt. Feels shitty because without Imagine Dragons they wouldnt even get to watch the show. THATS what Im on about.
@@felezeros4556 Praeco made a whole comment about how no studio wanted to work with them, Imagine Dragons "went to war" so that they would be allowed to contribute to the soundtrack. Getting Imagine Dragons convinced other artists/studios and that talent being attached convinced Riot to see this project through. Fucking Google it.
I think their big issue with Enemy is that they think Riot picked an ID song and stuffed it into Arcane. They don't know that ID and Riot have worked together for years and ID wrote Enemy specifically for Arcane.
To be fair I don't think Marcus is a scumbag here. Just like the woman who worked with vander. In order to avoid deaths he tries to appease the conflict like she did.
That was distracting, just shit talking them the entire scene. I don't care what anyone's opinion is regarding personal taste, but let people like things, g'damn. It's like asking a catholic how they feel about other religions, except nobody actually asked.
i'm so astonished that they watched Vi flirt with Cait with dead pan faces liiiikkeeee... i guess that's straight women for u idk. anywho, caitlyn wasn't wrong in her aim at sevika. she wasn't aiming to kill her but dismantle or unarm.
“that’s straight women for u” lmaooo so real cause i was shipping them so hard when that happened & it’s like one of my favorite moments 😭 i’ll feel bad about this comment if they’re not really straight though
ive liked watching you guys over multiple shows but i gotta say, watching you guys hating so much on imagine dragons is like watching catholics hating on other religions, music is art, art is for interpretation, you dont like it fine and youre allowed to, but your hate for it doesnt make everyone else wrong either.
Silco gets so much undue hate, especially with regard to Jinx. Because he's "the villain," people think that he's "grooming" her, "manipulating" her," or somehow "using" her. None of that is true. Arcane's characters are as far from one-dimensional as you get. Those who think Silco is being "creepy" with Jinx are projecting. While Jinx often acts like a child around Silco, that's part of HER character. The baptism scene is to show similarity yet a stark contrast with Silco's "baptism" by Vander.
It's a tough one on the grooming but maybe we can call it heavily enabling her with bad guidance too so they're feeding into her own echo chamber. And she has dependency issues masked as daddy issues so it feels more creepy when silco is trying to be close and nice to her but mostly because she didn't set the boundaries herself. She even sits on his lap and plays cutesy because she can't tell what is acceptable in her in her mind and often acts like a child because of it when hiding her insecurities...until they boil and then angry loud more mature powder (or jinx I guess) pops out only to escape and hide behind the baby powder (no pun intended) afterwards. Silco is enabling her, indoctrinating her? Sure. But because she's the one that's not drawing boundaries because of her dependency and insecurities issues, it looks like he's grooming her when you look at it from outside both their POVs
@@jusker25 Jinx was trying to beat Vi's score from when Vi was younger than she was at the time, and still couldn't beat it. I feel like Mylo's comment about Vi being, "Twice the person at half her age," really rang true to her in that moment.
Vi was protective with Powder as Powder was jusr a child back then. She encouraged her when she's confident Powder can do it but of course when Vi saw what happened to Vander as her sister she'll be protective of her, she didnt wanna lose her. She's wrong losing her temper and hitting Powder that time and she would apologize if only Marcus didnt get her.
I honestly don't even see how Mel is being selfish. She told him the truth--that he's painting a target on his back--gave him advice on how not to get backstabbed, and asked for nothing in return. Yes, it does end up letting her stay closer to him, but that was far from a guarantee, and Jayce always had the choice to follow her advice or not. I think she legitimately saw Jayce as a good change for the council. They were corrupt whether he was there or not, but now she has someone who can help manipulate that corruption for more altruistic goals.
She told him because she hoped he would do exactly what he did - curry favor with the council to increase his own standing - while simultaneously ingratiating herself with him. She did the same thing with Councilor Hoskel; she got in his good graces and when it came time to vote for Jayce's expulsion, she used that trust to get Hoskel's vote. She straight up said it herself that Jayce was a better "investment" than expected. That's what he is to her: a tool she can use to gain better control over the council. Perhaps she actually does care for him, but her actions are still manipulative. Good intentions are besides the point - Mel is manipulative. Not necessarily selfish, but, c'mon, she didn't do all that because she _liked_ him.
why are jinx and silco such terrible people though? they're fighting for their freedom and that of a lot of other people. piltover and its enforcers are basically an occupying army
Silco created what is effectively supermeth and deliberately spread it throughout his own city to create an addiction epidemic as a means of garnering control, generating income, and he used it in lethal human experimentation on children in an effort to create disposable foot soldiers he can create and discard as needed. Cait mentions in E4 that all of Powders violent attacks prior to her assault on the square were confined in Undercity, Silco was using her to murder other Zaunites that didn't bow to him (and in Act 1 he was paying the very corrupt enforcers he's allegedly fighting against to brutalize his own people). Silco's rhetoric is revolutionary, he talks a big game about how much he loves his people, but his actions are a polar contrast to those sentiments. What he actually wants is control and to hurt Topside as revenge for the pain he's personally suffered. Silco is a victim of this city, and he is sympathetic for what he's suffered. But he is also one of the most vile villains in recent media. Powder is also the only major Zaunite we see who never gives any opinion on the Topside/Undercity situation. She doesn't think that broadly, her focus is entirely on pleasing Silco in exchange for the validation he provides. Her motivation is her toxic codependency on Silco, she doesn't actually care about Zaun from what we can tell, she just needs to be useful to Silco and will do whatever she thinks will make her valuable to him. Which includes murdering countless people for his benefit.
There's no shame in pausing the episode if you have something long to say. There's nothing more irritating as a reaction viewer than the reactor missing key lines or events cause they were too busy talking over dialogue.
What's the deal with ID? Is it the song that people find cringe or do they have a hard time separating art from artist? (Implying the band has drama i'm unaware of?)
I've asked around, and it just seems that people find ID's music "uninspiring," for lack of better word. Pretty much, people think all their music sounds the same. Personally, I think the disdain is overblown, like pineapple on pizza.
My dislike for all of their songs translates into my dislike for the band. Until covering this show I've never met anyone who likes the band. Apparently their fans play league.
@@Diegesis huh strange, I've always thought they were liked especially by the pop followers considering their fear of genre music lmao the more you know
The band of Image Dragons was the show because of the music video for "Enemy", which was completely animated in the style of the show lol. Even if it's not considered canon, you should watch the music video in your free time. Especially after finishing the show since having context for the characters makes everything about it greater. Plus, their is a guest singer in the full song so you might like him more than Image Dragons
You are very funny haha... important moment that you can't skip. At least the last song of the season is singing by Sting and you can't skip Sting. Anyway, all the music was created thinking in Arcane and the season one have very good songs in my opinion. Arcane season one It was created with a lot of love, with great attention to every detail. Many different artists working together on this amazing project that cost them six years of work
One huge narrative I wish they fleshed out better was Marcus A lot of people watch this show and end with their view of him just being "he's a douche" which is fair, because the CRUMBS of good intentions and motives they gave him were very brief and unclear for most viewers
we never actually see Silco take physical of advantage of Jinx, yet Mel does actually abuse her position of power with Jayce. I'm not intelligent enough to know what that means....
Yeah, this is my favorite episode. This is where the story gets more complicated, and less YA, and the animators start flexing like maniacs (the parkour, the concert scene, the sex/blood montage, the brutal fight scene at the end).
Silco and Jinx's relationship gives adult with a very very young child vibes which obviously feels super mega creepy with Jinx being a young adult or close enough (she's either 17 or 18). Their relationship is not healthy, there's definitely codependency and that's part of what the creepiness is supposed to display. Being codependent as an adult to their kid is really really bad. As for Cait, she absolutely could have killed Sevika, with the first shot even, guns are still ridiculously powerful even against shimmered individuals, especially if there's enough distance or surprise and in this scenario Cait was perfectly positioned. But I mean that would have been very antithetical to the whole "what are you shooting for" from the start (well unless they wanted to write Cait as a cold blooded killer I suppose xD). Plus Cait probably doesn't even know for sure Sevika is a criminal, she just knows Vi tried to give her the slip to go beat up an older lady, and even injuries in the undercity can easily lead to death (gun shots are never healthy but gun shots in a poisoned environment without good access to healthcare is basically a death sentence) so she can't really shoot her in the arm or leg either.
Came across your 1x1 reaction for some reason and it got me back to rewatching this show for the 4th time, thanks for making me appreciate all the artists in this show again!
It must be understood that Powder lost his parents in the revolution went she was just a child. She killed almost all her “friends”and her adoptive father by an accident trying to help her older sister and was “abandoned” by her older sister, the only bond she had left and the closest thing to a mother And I say “friends” because the only friend she had who was of a similar age… I can’t say any more
I really like how they make strong female character like this, which every film should have done it before. Vi uses force to win, but she get beat up all the time and get back like a champ, Jinx is more fragile so she rely on other people and trap, Mel uses her wit and beauty to control those around her. It not like other shows where the girl just talking shit and beat the shit out of everyone she see no matter how illogical it is
Feels so validated to see that Im not the only one who cannot stand the constant Imagine Dragons with this show. Really, I think a lot of this soundtrack hurt this show, if Im being honest. The first season is still ABSOLUTELY a 10/10, but the nonstop reliance on "wannabe hipster radio music" to sell the emotions is so....not necessary. Because the emotion is already there. And its strong, stronger than just about any show Ive ever watched. Its like adding a laugh track to a comedy special thats already insanely funny, its just redundant. This applies to all of the music in this show, but Imagine Dragons specifically is just one of the one bands I genuinely cannot stand. Its soulless car commercial music.
It's always so interesting to watch people react to Marcus in particular. People really like to throw him under the bus - and fair enough I guess - he committed some serious sins. But he also protected VI by putting her in prison without record. LOL fucked up, but any other action and Silco would've found her. Furthermore, after the timeskip, I see a man who's doing everything he can to make it right - he's just not equipped to do it. Nobody seems to really pick up on how much he's tried to change. He's no longer a hot head looking to punish any "trencher" who steps out of line. He WORKS with the Undercity, like his predecessor. It's just unfortunate he's in bed with the worst of the Undercity in Silco. He KEPT the bloody coin from all those years ago. That should tell you everything you need to know about him. A deeply flawed man, but one who recognized his mistake and is trying to do better. It just ends up being too little too late. It's very sad, if you ask me. Also yeah, the Imagine Dragons bit was too far for me. Practically the only piece of the entire show that I cringe at. I don't care how big of fans they are, they got to write the damn theme song. They don't need to be IN the damn show. Kind of lame, imo. The Kazoo was a great touch Chad. LMAO
EPISODE 8 SPOILER: Similar to what you said about two blue haired characters with opposite demeanors, one of the reasons i love this show is how much diversity there is in general. I love the contrast for example between a hyperfeminine black woman like Mel and her masculine badass mother.
Jinx getting the hextech working off of just testing and some spare notes just shows how brilliant she is and it's super tragic If Powder hadn't gone through the episode 3 trauma, and somehow met up with Viktor, just think of how much they could have accomplished together 😭
You guys should react to "Get Jinxed". Its a music video about Jinxs' character in League of Legends. It wont spoil anything about Arcane. Its just a fun music video for a very catchy song!
real question : so people hate Imagine Dragons so much ? I listen to a shit ton of music genres, and in the genre they're in, I never found that they made terrible music at all. And Ennemy is a pretty decent song overall with decent lyrics. Why all the hate? Is this just a meme?
One does not simply "skip" the imagined dragons! Muahahaha!
I knew this was coming from the moment Maple saw the intro.
Atleast it's short Maple, atleast it's short lool.
"Awwwww tha Mizzereee"
The most awesomest kazoo performance ever that made you two so angry! 😂😂
Amazing musical adaptation in your edition 😂🙌👏👏👏
Every artist has a cameo in the show, not just Imagined Dragons.
An important thing to note is that Enemy was specifically made for this show not a random ID song they shoved in to the show. As others have mentioned ID has a long history with League of Legend and Riot.
Another important thing to keep in mind is Imagine Dragons sucks and that song is gratingly bad.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat my friend convinced me to watch this show, and it took me so long to do it because the two biggest things I absolutely cannot stand, #1 being that League of Legends is genuinely one of the least fun games Ive ever had to slog through, and #2 being that Imagine Dragons is absolutely insufferable. I almost stopped watching after the theme song. Im glad I didn't, obviously, but I seriously think this 10/10 show could be somehow even better if it ditched the hipster radio soundtrack.
I love the cut from Viktor in a hospital bed saying "How long do I have", then it immediately cuts to the tarot cards Death and The Magician. Its such a good transition. Not subtle, but this show doesn't need to be subtle to be brilliant
Plus, the figure on the Magician card looks *very* familiar to someone familiar to someone who knows where the story is going
@@TheLangenator yep
of course, the Death tarot doesn't mean "death", but transformation. Magician, the ability to create change.
@@TheLangenator I don't know the lore, but I played the game. Was it the third 'arm' at the back that hints at what you are talking about?
@@TheLangenator Yeah, thanks. I was thinking that but didn't want to give names. It's awesome foreshadowing. I watched it so many times but didn't realize it till I saw your comment 😅
Marcus makes me sad. He saw how his mentor had an underhanded deal with Vander and did the same with Silco out of naiveté and found himself trapped, having made a deal with a monster. Like they say the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
the issue I have with Marcus is that he doesn’t have any empathy or respect for zaunites compared to Grayson who would at least try to understand them and see them as people. everything Marcus did in the first act was out of spite and his desire of control over zaunites, like portrayed in his encounters with Vander. and he locked up a 14-16 years old girl, indirectly killed Benzo and Grayson because of his deal with Silco. he only starts to feel guilt as a corrupt sheriff with a daughter, years after. and again, as portrayed in the grenade scene with Silco, it’s mostly because of his lack of control over the situation. it indeed makes the character flawed and gives him depth, but i hardly feel bad for him. he deserves everything that happens next.
Markus makes it hard for me watch this show. Being betrayed and still making deals with Silco is just dumb as hell. Good intentions aren't worth anything to me if you do the same thing again and expect things to change. Silco changed the deal once in a whim, why shouldn't he continue to behave like that? Making another deal with him is just selling yourself.
@@aaronyayger there’s a misunderstanding that must be my fault because you assume that i don’t emphasize or understand him, i apologize if I explained myself wrongly but those aren’t my words. i do have empathy for him, he has a development of character that deserves attention. but by being human comes human response, it’s perfectly understandable if people have a hang up since he isn’t a appreciable person, that makes bad decisions again and again. Viktor says it himself, we always have a choice, and many are the times he could’ve behaved better. but he’s portrayed as a coward, that has responsibility, yes, but still a coward that can only dream to be as respectable and well driven as Grayson. and of course, i understand your point of view on the character and i only love arcane more now knowing a different opinion
@@Shmebuloksonit’s not that hard to figure out why Marcus is still working with Silco, he has evidence that Marcus was complicit in Graysons death, and later on Silco was threatening to murder his daughter if he didn’t go along with him, they literally say in episode 8 “it’s not about what he had to gain, but what he had to loose”
@@macalveyggg6552 Makes it even worse. He is giving and giving while Silco just needs to hold the threat level. As Viktor said: "There is always a choice". So Markus chose to go on working with Silco instead of confessing one fault so he makes more and more faults to conceal the first one. That's human behaviour, of course, but still pretty dumb. Silco wasn't honest before so why he thinks Silco wouldn't sell him as soon as he's not profitable anymore? Hoping Silco won't betray him is hoping Silco doesn't Silco.
"What is truth but a survivor's story?" -- this show drops some fantastic lines in such an understated, offhand manner.
"In our pursuit to do great, we failed to do good."
@@adamisajoker Reminds me of an MLK line, "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
Imagine Dragons and Riot go waaaay back, they earned theiy’re spot in the show
True. Those old LoL MLG commercials went hard.
*there
@@OrdinaryCritic thnx
@@kingkaidelam2997 Actually, it's "their"
@@JustLiesNOR fixed it
I don't think I've seen a single reactor to this show get that Marcus is trying to follow Grayson's example by working with Silco. He saw her working with Vander (the de facto leader of the undercity) so he tries to do the same with the new leader of the undercity.
It doesn't excuse everything he's done, but nobody seems to get his motivations and just label him as trash.
People never seem to understand that Silco has leverage over him and he’s locked into working with Silco. The majority of reactors seem to think that characters all have to be morally black or white. So, even in the face of morally gray actions, they force the characters into the black or white zones that they’ve preconceived in their own heads.
Yup it's a really strange take everyone seems to default to.
Same with how Jynx gets main character protection: "Aww but she's mentally ill"
Marcus and especially Silco are some of my fav characters in the show as they are nuanced and not cardboard cutout character types
No he isn't, has nothing to do with Grayson. he's stuck because of Episode 3, Silco deliberately engineered the situation to have Marcus implicated in the murder of Grayson and now Marcus can't get out of their arrangement without that coming out. Even in a city as corrupt as Piltover that being found out wouldn't be ignorable. He got himself stuck under Silco's thumb and now it's not just himself at risk but also his daughter. He's too much of a coward to take the personal consequences of owning up and he can't put his daughters life in danger by defying Silco so he's trapped himself.
@@troikas3353 I don't think it's fair to say it has NOTHING to do with Grayson when it shows you a scene of Marcus lamenting his situation with his daughter at Graysons grave.
Marcus became the wrong kind of idealist compared to Grayson, again it's a nuance of his character that paper thin ones like Vi lack
@@troikas3353 Correct.
Greyson’s dynamic with Vander was one of (almost) equals.
Marcus is in Silco’s control.
Any attempt by Marcus to extract himself means sacrificing his daughter’s future. Piltover appears to be a rigidly stratified patrician society; Marcus has no family name, thus is on the lowest rungs. Without his position as sheriff, his daughter has no shot at much of a life. All Silco has to do is expose Marcus, and the Piltover council will ruin his life and that of his daughter. Silco doesn’t have to lift a finger to punish any disobedience from Marcus; the very Piltover society Marcus serves will do it for him. And Silco never lets him forget.
I feel bad for Marcus; by the time he realized his mistake, it was too late. If he does the “right thing,” it’s his daughter who pays the price. Preventing his daughter from paying that price is the only honorable act left to him.
Most people dismiss Jayce as being an easily misled dope. He is naive to the ways of the world, sure, but he's also frighteningly competent at everything he sets his mind to. Science, manufacturing, administration, diplomacy, the art of the deal, and the art of war. (And judging by Mel's fucked out look, he ain't bad in the sack neither.) The guy doesn't mess around.
People today often mistake sincerity for naivety.
"He thought he groomed it all out of you." This is very perceptive. Silco and Powder have an unhealthy relationship. It doesn't actually go to those creepy places but there's an element of it. He's mostly fatherly, but not quite. He needs the affection. And so does she. The complex thing about Silco is that he actually does love Powder, at least he thinks he does, but his weakness is that he doesn't know how to love without needing to control. There's always an element of usury in his relationship to Powder. That mistrust finds its way into the cracks of their relationship.
There is a 1:1 equivalence between those who insist on using the word “groomer” to describe Silco, and those who would side with Piltover continuing to control and dictate Zaun’s future.
Silco was right about such people: they will never understand.
@@robertwise2032 As someone who is absolutely not a fan of Piltover and thinks Zaun should have independence from them, I can say that Silco did implement grooming tactics with Jinx. Grooming doesn't always have a sexual element and I think people get hung up on that. The definition of grooming is the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity. To ensure control and loyalty over Jinx Silco did initially utilize these tactics. Again, not sexually but in a way that makes the relationship feel unbalanced and unhealthy. That being said though I do believe Silco loves Jinx and she loved him, but it is in a complex and not so productive way. Doesn't mean it isn't true. I think what tim said is right on the money as is the comment about grooming tactics because from a base level their relationship had those aspects.
@@izcanoli2539Here’s the problem:
“grooming” is one of many words in our time that have become what S I Hayakawa called a “snarl word.”
A content-free verbal noise that expresses angry emotions and nothing else; in practice, amounting to “something of which one ought to disapprove.”
These words function according to archaic mythological concepts of defilement and taboo; wrong opinions and those who hold them must be excluded from the community because all who come too close to them risk becoming accursed.
Silco is Jinx’s father, just as surely as Vander was VI’s father.
Families in Zaun operate differently than they do in Piltover, or in our world.
We see very few people in Zaun of Vander’s or Silco’s age. Look carefully; there appears to be almost an entire generation missing. No one in Zaun, even post-timeskip, has guns except for Jinx. Jinx’s guns are clearly powered by a Shimmer derivative, whereas the enforcers clearly use traditional gunpowder. It’s logical to assume that gunpowder is tightly controlled, and unavailable in the undercity. Vander led a rebellion where one side had melee weapons and one had guns; I suspect that the result was a missing generation. I suspect many, if not most, families in Zaun are “secondhand” out of sheer necessity.
There probably is what we would call “grooming” in Zaun, but I see no evidence of it in Silco’s fatherhood, nor in Vander’s. Both of them did their best to make their children strong in an environment where there was never enough to go around.
“What makes you different makes you strong.”
Every character in Arcane cannot escape a fundamental and unresolved fracture in their society: politically, Zaun is still technically part of Piltover. Culturally, it has not been for a long time. Piltover is literally blind to the fact that Zaun exists as its own culture. They use slurs like “trencher” to describe the inhabitants. This monumental disconnect affects every event and every character. One way or another, situations that are unsustainable will eventually not be sustained.
@@robertwise2032Great reply, nailed it.
I think while the technical term for "grooming" may be as broad in description as "to manipulate", I can almost guarantee that these two reactors used the word specifically because everything in our current society MUST be icky in a sexual manner when it comes to any two characters of age difference..
The relationship between Jinx and Silcoe is unorthodox and certainly toxic, but it's weirdness ends at father-daughter disfunction.
After finishing this show I watched several videos from pro kickboxers/martial artists who analyzed the fight scenes and broke down every single move they did, the animators studied the fuck out of some fighting to make these scenes. Specifically the fight between Sevika and vi, it’s such a badass scene, and they were so hyped when they watched it.
Never minded the song or band and from an artistic point of view, if I was in their shoes I'd totally want to be in the show, lol. Didn't feel out of place for me and kinda liked it actually.
I really do like Vi and Cupcake's dynamic in this episode. Two worlds coming together and working together. Some build up happening that's going to be fun watching the reaction to. Can't wait for the next one ;)
bruh yall tripping with the imagine dragons hate
lmfao the kazoo got me good guys
I find it funny that everyone either loves or hates the ID song, there is no in between.
I don’t really like imagine dragons, but I love enemy
yeah not really what I listen to but it doesn't bother me like that. To me it kinda fits the show
@@ratpwn Well yea, she is overreacting. Like "My stomach hurts", bruh.
@@ruanpablo2553 Describe me what isn't generic today? I'm really curious about everyone's music taste, i can almost listen to anything til it's good and has a value, a meaning and a standard. And all of you don't understand ID's really long partnership with LoL(Riot) is funny, it goes back to 2014 with Warriors. I guess most of you just jumped on the Arcane hypetrain and that's it. You won't be special if you hate on something or someone popular lol.
yup! HATE IT lol
Hello, we can see that the episode title "everyone wants to be my enemy" applies to several characters, Powder and her PTSD with ghosts that haunt her, Caitlin going to a place she doesn't know where her mentor was ambushed in an alley, I saw returning to a place that was once his home but is now that of his enemy, Marcus with pressure from Silco on one side and Jace on the other, Jace who now as a counselor is in the sights of the other members of the council. At the beginning we see that Caitlin crosses the line and literally frees Vi and remembers her mentor and her advice in contrast Marcus buries his officers while making a deal with Silco (remember the second episode) "a coin crosses for every crime" and "the "I'll bury everyone," Caitlin takes a risk and settles with Vi while Marcus gives up under pressure from Silco. On the other hand, Victor's condition worsens and he claims to Jave that they should help the people of the suburban district, perhaps he reaches the limit in his investigations, either physically and mentally, alienating himself from others or discovering mysteries that he should not solve, Jace on the other hand. On the other hand, he leaves aside the investigations and surrounds himself with politicians who only want more for themselves and thanks to Mel Medarda, he enters the game and literally puts it into his game, while his mentor Hermeindingger is enjoying the play with his eyes closed, it is The only one left out of these deals (non-spoiler foreshadowing), Vi finds a clue to her sister and gets an enforcer to free her to try to find her. Her Parkour demonstration leaves her freed when she reaches the bottom, breathes and looks up. At first she is quite harsh with her partner but she soon brings her up to speed when she discovers that her sister is now the darling of the district chief. We can see how several characters relate to each other, Jace and Mel as lovers, Victor and Sky only as colleagues but she wants something more, Silco defines himself as a father after baptizing his daughter Jinx, Vi and Caitlin, colleagues?
You may not get why Imagine Dragon's are in the Arcane universe but its pretty obvious.
I think you guys are lovely but your missing a lot of the "Tells" the show littters thru each episode. Its very clever writing & direction.❤
Can someone please explain imagine dragons hate? The only argument I ever saw was how thunder, radioactive and believer were mainstream or something. But enemy is genuinely a good song? Also what about bad liar, bones, demons, birds, i bet my life... and so on? They make amazing music and knowing three most popular songs and nothing else and then calling them trash is a little silly
calling any music trash is just a ridiculous take in the first place.. that thing maple said, "theres art.. and then theres this". its like, thats the whole point of art, there is no bad art, its all up to interpretation and what you get out of something. my argument would be if the music is so objectively bad why has it been so popular for so long
I think it's mostly a meme at this point, similar to the Nickelback hate bandwagon about a decade ago. It's just funny and fun to hate on how corny they can be sometimes, idk
@@Kobrakai21 The issue with Nickelback, at least for people that disliked them for more than just the meme factor, was they were very blunt about their music being a product they made to sell. Kroeger has talked about how they use analytics and trend data to make songs that will hit mass market appeal. It's just kinda crappy when there are so many other artists out there that write music because they actually love music and want to express something who don't get a fraction of the airtime Nickelback got on the radio. Especially Rock Radio which has a huge problem with over-relying on established names and decades old bands while new blood in rock struggles to get any time at all, it's part of why Rock as a genre has fallen so far off in relevance.
It's weird, I just skip it. I don't like imagine dragons either, but they're over the top just to troll at this point.
@@jesterscupcake exactly. If you don't like it, skip it. Frankly at this point I'm getting annoyed by their annoyance. You said you don't like it. We get it, now suck it up and move on.
Why do I get the feeling that most people's disdain for ID is like how most people "hate" pineapple on pizza?
I understand that everyone has different tastes, but the consistency feels like bandwagoning...
Eh, there is definitely a taste thing going on here too. I don't think you're 100% incorrect, but I've seen the sentiment from enough people that makes it clear there is more to it than that.
@@cubdumpster5422 perhaps, but I have yet to find any real controversy or drama related to them. Unless it was recent.
@@patrickcarter2829 Oh its no controversy or drama! Just not everyone's cup of tea. "ID" comes across as "fake" or "produced" to many people, BUT I'm not saying they are. Just saying that's how it comes across sonically. They still have my respect as artists, they just aren't for me. And this feeling certainly isn't limited to ID, entire genres can feel that way to different people depending on their backgrounds.
@@patrickcarter2829they seem like lovely guys. people just don't like their music because it's derivative and overblown and lacks nuance. and that's okay
That's what I thought. It seemed to come out of nowhere, too. Back in the day, I know people grew to dislike them because their hit song Radioactive was so overplayed and thus became repetitive and annoying to some people. That doesn't happen to me but I can understand it. It could just be their genre of music that's disliked, but if that's the case it seems weird to single them out. Your guess is as good as mine.
I don't mind the song, but the kazoo cover absolutely destroyed me! lol. I had to pause and take a minute.
Same! xD originally its a badass moment in the series, but the kazoo made it hilarious xD
Meh, the only reason you think the bands inclusion is lame is because you recognize them. A lot of the songs in the show have been diagetic, actually being played in the world either by live musicians in the scene, a phonograph or the jukebox. They did the same thing with Ray Chen this episode, the violinist on the stage was modeled after the series classical music composer, but no one cares cause few people know who he is.
Silco and Powder's relationship is deliberately framed as unsettling. It's toxic and abusive in the extreme and they add a lot of little elements to their interactions designed to make your skin crawl. Though predictably there is a subsect of the fandom that completely misunderstands that and thinks the show is saying he's a good "father" to her.
I don't mind diegetic music. I mind imagine dragons. If it was a better band I'd be into it. They've been on a kpop kick lately with their videos so that woulda been better.
@@Diegesis "A better band." Who would you like to see in there?
literally anyone else.
The weirdness in the Silco/Jinx relationship is more to demonstrate Jinx's immaturity. He sees her as his daughter but she's stuck in the past and still views herself as a little girl.
Seriously what did imagine dragons do to you lol. The song was written for this show and you only know it, because it's popularity exploded beyond the show. Why? Because it slaps that hard, sorry...
They’re my enemy
Because ID are super overexposed and people are sick of them.
Not to mention they created one of the worst “popular” songs of all time in “Thunder”.
The song is dog 💩 but you do you 😂
It doesn't have a soul, it sounds so white, if you know what I mean
As someone who likes some Imagine Dragons every now and then the best part of this clip was watching Maple & Arianna sit through Enemy with such contempt. Their suffering is too hilarious! Best part of the reaction.
Dude the issue Maple and Arianna have with Imagine Dragons seems so out of place. Do they and the band have history?
I don't mind Imagine Dragons, but hating them has been a decently common point of view for quite a while. I can see why they would get tired of them though, their music tends to get overplayed.
In my generation it was Nickleback, their generation is ID.
They hate it because it's popular for the most part. They wouldn't have nearly as big of a problem with it if they didn't know about ID at all.
Imagine Dragons is annoying sounding 🤷♂️
People can dislike whatever music they want to. Claiming its "out of place" or that they're only hating on them because its popular to is just a cope. You just have to accept that not everyone shares your taste in music.
@@TuskyBaby But that's literally what it seems like. Their hate for it is cringe ASF and childish as hell.
If they don't like it, fine. But saying "my stomach hurts" when hearing it is hella pathetic.
Lol the band only had a cameo because they're fans and have done music for the game. It did make me cringe a little the first time I watched it. The musician on the stage while Jayce was making deals is also a real person, his name is Ray Chen and his music has been featured in the game as well.
I thought the musicians being in the show was lit. It is also okay to dislike something, but the statements made by the two youtubers here during the Imagine Dragons scene felt so stuck up disrespectful. I thank you for your knowledgeable comment, and I hope they see it so at least they know.
How is it shitty to let a child win a competition as an adult?
If Grayson had chose to beat Caitlyn, they prob would’ve said “cmon, you could’ve let the kid win!” Lol. In fairness, I think she understood the point of why Grayson let her win once she said the line about “being of service to the city is trophy enough”.
Because people competing in a competition like that don't want to be handed a win, they want to actually achieve it themselves. It's why Cait was annoyed that she thought her parents had payed her off. She was born with a platinum spoon in her mouth but she wants to earn her own achievements. .
@@troikas3353 yes, I get that on a general level, but im speaking within the context of that scene. I understand the psychology of Caitlyn’s character and why she would hate the idea of someone letting her win / her parents orchestrating a win for her.
@@troikas3353 I wasn't talking about cait. I was talking about the people reacting.
This is my favorite episode because it's such a good midpoint. Every storyline gets some kind of transformative change. And those changes set up the powerful episodes to come.
I think it also does a great job of showing that everyone has complex motivations. Mel is using Jayce, but she's also attracted to him. Jayce wants to do right but he's tempted by his passions. Viktor has a personal stake in Hextek that's starting to show elements of self-destructiveness. Silco is both nurturing and manipulative with Powder, caring but cynical, fatherly with uncomfortable groomer subtext. Vi subtly reveals that she's attracted to Cait. Cait is a consummate professional who helped break someone out of prison.
I'm no Imagine Dragons fan, but even I think Enemy is a pretty good song, despite the band behind it.
@@xwx111 I'm just not a fan of their other music. Their other popular singles like Thunder, Radioactive & Believer, I really don't like and actively avoid.
But something about Enemy works for me, I don't know what it is, but it's the one ID song I like.
Can we skip over the trashy and cringe hate on ID after this video? I could care less about their music, but its clear from the comments that the whining is getting a little old. You don't hate them for any specific reasons other than its popular to hate them, which is ironic. Also, to ignore the relationship between LoL and ID is just being ignorant.
The kazoo cover of Imagine Dragons was just immaculate 😂
Respect Imagine Dragons, they have been connected to League of Legends since 2014.
Why is the left girl such a hater on Imagine Dragons lmao
Ya’ll really need to see the music video that the show produce “enemy” by imagine dragons. They showed scenes from them all being kids that we didn’t get to see in the show. Like they showed powder jamming with ekko.
Lol pretty sure most people enjoy the intro actually xD like you two are the first ones I've seen that have that big of a problem with it
i believe that. imagine dragons is mass appeal. most people liked NSYNC in the late 90's
Swifties maybe
In the intro flashback Greyson asks young Cait “that begs the question young Kiriman, what are you shooting for?” In the end of the episode we see Cait not shoot to kill but to defend a life.
Okay, think of Imagine Dragons what you will, but they are one of the reasons that this show ever saw the light of day. At this point it just feels bad to see that level of contempt.
what are you on about? They do not like the song, big deal
@@felezeros4556 That editing, comment and exaggerated reaction is not them "not liking the song", its them showing extreme contempt. Feels shitty because without Imagine Dragons they wouldnt even get to watch the show.
THATS what Im on about.
@@Serryy Again where do you get the idea from that IM made Arcane possible. What kind of weird head canon is that?
@@felezeros4556 Praeco made a whole comment about how no studio wanted to work with them, Imagine Dragons "went to war" so that they would be allowed to contribute to the soundtrack. Getting Imagine Dragons convinced other artists/studios and that talent being attached convinced Riot to see this project through.
Fucking Google it.
I think their big issue with Enemy is that they think Riot picked an ID song and stuffed it into Arcane. They don't know that ID and Riot have worked together for years and ID wrote Enemy specifically for Arcane.
"Isn't not organic matter?" Wow, she got that so quickly. I love how they analyze this show. I can't wait for more!!!
Is not not?
To be fair I don't think Marcus is a scumbag here. Just like the woman who worked with vander. In order to avoid deaths he tries to appease the conflict like she did.
Guys the song is cliche and not very good. It's not torture though. Chill.
I like the song.
That was distracting, just shit talking them the entire scene. I don't care what anyone's opinion is regarding personal taste, but let people like things, g'damn. It's like asking a catholic how they feel about other religions, except nobody actually asked.
It's a very good song
i'm so astonished that they watched Vi flirt with Cait with dead pan faces liiiikkeeee... i guess that's straight women for u idk. anywho, caitlyn wasn't wrong in her aim at sevika. she wasn't aiming to kill her but dismantle or unarm.
“that’s straight women for u” lmaooo so real cause i was shipping them so hard when that happened & it’s like one of my favorite moments 😭 i’ll feel bad about this comment if they’re not really straight though
Personally I like the imagine dragons cameo, but to each their own
ive liked watching you guys over multiple shows but i gotta say, watching you guys hating so much on imagine dragons is like watching catholics hating on other religions, music is art, art is for interpretation, you dont like it fine and youre allowed to, but your hate for it doesnt make everyone else wrong either.
Silco gets so much undue hate, especially with regard to Jinx. Because he's "the villain," people think that he's "grooming" her, "manipulating" her," or somehow "using" her. None of that is true. Arcane's characters are as far from one-dimensional as you get. Those who think Silco is being "creepy" with Jinx are projecting. While Jinx often acts like a child around Silco, that's part of HER character. The baptism scene is to show similarity yet a stark contrast with Silco's "baptism" by Vander.
It's a tough one on the grooming but maybe we can call it heavily enabling her with bad guidance too so they're feeding into her own echo chamber.
And she has dependency issues masked as daddy issues so it feels more creepy when silco is trying to be close and nice to her but mostly because she didn't set the boundaries herself. She even sits on his lap and plays cutesy because she can't tell what is acceptable in her in her mind and often acts like a child because of it when hiding her insecurities...until they boil and then angry loud more mature powder (or jinx I guess) pops out only to escape and hide behind the baby powder (no pun intended) afterwards.
Silco is enabling her, indoctrinating her? Sure. But because she's the one that's not drawing boundaries because of her dependency and insecurities issues, it looks like he's grooming her when you look at it from outside both their POVs
Wow, some of the things they are saying are so painful knowing how the rest of the show goes.
It's so funny how some people hate the imagine dragons song so much and others love it lmao
"You were twice the person at half her age."
Yeah, my third time watching this show that clicked in that scene.
Wait can one of you explain??
@@jusker25 Jinx was trying to beat Vi's score from when Vi was younger than she was at the time, and still couldn't beat it. I feel like Mylo's comment about Vi being, "Twice the person at half her age," really rang true to her in that moment.
"She is working *alll* the levels"
"Sometimes u just gotta do some blood magic dawg" LMAO MAPLEEE 🤣
Vi was protective with Powder as Powder was jusr a child back then. She encouraged her when she's confident Powder can do it but of course when Vi saw what happened to Vander as her sister she'll be protective of her, she didnt wanna lose her.
She's wrong losing her temper and hitting Powder that time and she would apologize if only Marcus didnt get her.
I get hating on imagine dragons generally. but whats with the raging hate boner for the opening?
It plays imagine dragons
Every time something big is done with magic in this show, blood is shed in front of one of the hex-gems.
"Is it not organic matter?" Half organic, half artificial, all mystical.
Enemy was specifically made for this show
I honestly don't even see how Mel is being selfish. She told him the truth--that he's painting a target on his back--gave him advice on how not to get backstabbed, and asked for nothing in return. Yes, it does end up letting her stay closer to him, but that was far from a guarantee, and Jayce always had the choice to follow her advice or not. I think she legitimately saw Jayce as a good change for the council. They were corrupt whether he was there or not, but now she has someone who can help manipulate that corruption for more altruistic goals.
She told him because she hoped he would do exactly what he did - curry favor with the council to increase his own standing - while simultaneously ingratiating herself with him. She did the same thing with Councilor Hoskel; she got in his good graces and when it came time to vote for Jayce's expulsion, she used that trust to get Hoskel's vote. She straight up said it herself that Jayce was a better "investment" than expected. That's what he is to her: a tool she can use to gain better control over the council. Perhaps she actually does care for him, but her actions are still manipulative. Good intentions are besides the point - Mel is manipulative. Not necessarily selfish, but, c'mon, she didn't do all that because she _liked_ him.
f you guys i like the song 😂
i have no qualms with you diggin it :)
why are jinx and silco such terrible people though? they're fighting for their freedom and that of a lot of other people. piltover and its enforcers are basically an occupying army
Silco created what is effectively supermeth and deliberately spread it throughout his own city to create an addiction epidemic as a means of garnering control, generating income, and he used it in lethal human experimentation on children in an effort to create disposable foot soldiers he can create and discard as needed. Cait mentions in E4 that all of Powders violent attacks prior to her assault on the square were confined in Undercity, Silco was using her to murder other Zaunites that didn't bow to him (and in Act 1 he was paying the very corrupt enforcers he's allegedly fighting against to brutalize his own people).
Silco's rhetoric is revolutionary, he talks a big game about how much he loves his people, but his actions are a polar contrast to those sentiments. What he actually wants is control and to hurt Topside as revenge for the pain he's personally suffered. Silco is a victim of this city, and he is sympathetic for what he's suffered. But he is also one of the most vile villains in recent media.
Powder is also the only major Zaunite we see who never gives any opinion on the Topside/Undercity situation. She doesn't think that broadly, her focus is entirely on pleasing Silco in exchange for the validation he provides. Her motivation is her toxic codependency on Silco, she doesn't actually care about Zaun from what we can tell, she just needs to be useful to Silco and will do whatever she thinks will make her valuable to him. Which includes murdering countless people for his benefit.
They were talking over it so much, that they missed why Vi calls her cupcake.
Why
There's no shame in pausing the episode if you have something long to say. There's nothing more irritating as a reaction viewer than the reactor missing key lines or events cause they were too busy talking over dialogue.
What's the deal with ID? Is it the song that people find cringe or do they have a hard time separating art from artist? (Implying the band has drama i'm unaware of?)
I've asked around, and it just seems that people find ID's music "uninspiring," for lack of better word. Pretty much, people think all their music sounds the same.
Personally, I think the disdain is overblown, like pineapple on pizza.
My dislike for all of their songs translates into my dislike for the band. Until covering this show I've never met anyone who likes the band. Apparently their fans play league.
@@Diegesis huh strange, I've always thought they were liked especially by the pop followers considering their fear of genre music lmao the more you know
@@patrickcarter2829 yeah agreed, they're just another band made to please the most, a" stranger things of music", let's say
@@aaronyayger having a nuanced view in the social media era? Imagine
I absolutely LOVED the freaking kazoo over the Enemy song, that made my night, thank you!
Not the kazoo 😂😂😂
The kazoo had me dyin
The band of Image Dragons was the show because of the music video for "Enemy", which was completely animated in the style of the show lol.
Even if it's not considered canon, you should watch the music video in your free time. Especially after finishing the show since having context for the characters makes everything about it greater. Plus, their is a guest singer in the full song so you might like him more than Image Dragons
19:22 my favorite thing in the whole wide world now. 😂😂😂
What you did with the song killed me. Lmfaoooo
You are very funny haha... important moment that you can't skip. At least the last song of the season is singing by Sting and you can't skip Sting.
Anyway, all the music was created thinking in Arcane and the season one have very good songs in my opinion.
Arcane season one It was created with a lot of love, with great attention to every detail.
Many different artists working together on this amazing project that cost them six years of work
I recommend you watch
Arcane: Bridging the Rift Documentary.
You have it on UA-cam in five parts
The soundtrack is really good tbf, it's only imagine dragons that is so out of place lol
Our love is easily a top 5 song of all time for me
@@Quzga Hahaha…
@@Quzga. Very good song
Your kazoo cover is a work of art... whoever came up with that is a genius.
Absolute red flags of people you both are
Enemy is my least favourite part of the show.
I still love this episode for all the Vi and Caitlin scenes and the Sevika fight.
One huge narrative I wish they fleshed out better was Marcus
A lot of people watch this show and end with their view of him just being "he's a douche" which is fair, because the CRUMBS of good intentions and motives they gave him were very brief and unclear for most viewers
Yes. Yes vi should’ve thought before she punched. Will this be a lesson she learns by the end of the season?
"Punch first, ask questions later!" Vi staying true to her future self in the game
I could not wait for the band 🤣🤣 the gals have now technically been to an Imagine Dragons concert 🤣🤣
lol
we never actually see Silco take physical of advantage of Jinx, yet Mel does actually abuse her position of power with Jayce.
I'm not intelligent enough to know what that means....
Yeah, this is my favorite episode. This is where the story gets more complicated, and less YA, and the animators start flexing like maniacs (the parkour, the concert scene, the sex/blood montage, the brutal fight scene at the end).
the kazoo cover for the imagine dragons song made me lose it 100% 🤣
Silco and Jinx's relationship gives adult with a very very young child vibes which obviously feels super mega creepy with Jinx being a young adult or close enough (she's either 17 or 18). Their relationship is not healthy, there's definitely codependency and that's part of what the creepiness is supposed to display. Being codependent as an adult to their kid is really really bad.
As for Cait, she absolutely could have killed Sevika, with the first shot even, guns are still ridiculously powerful even against shimmered individuals, especially if there's enough distance or surprise and in this scenario Cait was perfectly positioned. But I mean that would have been very antithetical to the whole "what are you shooting for" from the start (well unless they wanted to write Cait as a cold blooded killer I suppose xD).
Plus Cait probably doesn't even know for sure Sevika is a criminal, she just knows Vi tried to give her the slip to go beat up an older lady, and even injuries in the undercity can easily lead to death (gun shots are never healthy but gun shots in a poisoned environment without good access to healthcare is basically a death sentence) so she can't really shoot her in the arm or leg either.
Loool the kazoo cover of enemy. This is why i love this channel, awesome reactions and hilarious editing!
Came across your 1x1 reaction for some reason and it got me back to rewatching this show for the 4th time, thanks for making me appreciate all the artists in this show again!
As much as yall hate the song, I recommend watching the music video at some point before episode 7. It just adds a little bit to that ep in my opinion
It must be understood that Powder lost his parents in the revolution went she was just a child.
She killed almost all her “friends”and her adoptive father by an accident trying to help her older sister and was “abandoned” by her older sister, the only bond she had left and the closest thing to a mother
And I say “friends” because the only friend she had who was of a similar age…
I can’t say any more
I really like how they make strong female character like this, which every film should have done it before. Vi uses force to win, but she get beat up all the time and get back like a champ, Jinx is more fragile so she rely on other people and trap, Mel uses her wit and beauty to control those around her. It not like other shows where the girl just talking shit and beat the shit out of everyone she see no matter how illogical it is
Is the kazoo killed me.
I'm surprised you glossed over caitlyns interaction with the patron at the brothel. Kind of a HUGE hint to her future interactions and interest in VI.
The fight choreography is so great in this show...and yea the dragons areny my favorite, bit this show is so good i honesty didnt mind
Thank you for taking the time to shit on the musical scene.
I love the reaction, right? But my favorite part is Adrianna and Maple cringing to the band putting themselves into the show!!! 😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤
Feels so validated to see that Im not the only one who cannot stand the constant Imagine Dragons with this show. Really, I think a lot of this soundtrack hurt this show, if Im being honest. The first season is still ABSOLUTELY a 10/10, but the nonstop reliance on "wannabe hipster radio music" to sell the emotions is so....not necessary. Because the emotion is already there. And its strong, stronger than just about any show Ive ever watched. Its like adding a laugh track to a comedy special thats already insanely funny, its just redundant.
This applies to all of the music in this show, but Imagine Dragons specifically is just one of the one bands I genuinely cannot stand. Its soulless car commercial music.
There is no bad episode of Arcane
To quote the great Walter Bishop, Jayce fell right into her vagenda.
It's always so interesting to watch people react to Marcus in particular. People really like to throw him under the bus - and fair enough I guess - he committed some serious sins. But he also protected VI by putting her in prison without record. LOL fucked up, but any other action and Silco would've found her.
Furthermore, after the timeskip, I see a man who's doing everything he can to make it right - he's just not equipped to do it. Nobody seems to really pick up on how much he's tried to change. He's no longer a hot head looking to punish any "trencher" who steps out of line. He WORKS with the Undercity, like his predecessor. It's just unfortunate he's in bed with the worst of the Undercity in Silco.
He KEPT the bloody coin from all those years ago. That should tell you everything you need to know about him. A deeply flawed man, but one who recognized his mistake and is trying to do better. It just ends up being too little too late. It's very sad, if you ask me.
Also yeah, the Imagine Dragons bit was too far for me. Practically the only piece of the entire show that I cringe at. I don't care how big of fans they are, they got to write the damn theme song. They don't need to be IN the damn show. Kind of lame, imo. The Kazoo was a great touch Chad. LMAO
EPISODE 8 SPOILER:
Similar to what you said about two blue haired characters with opposite demeanors, one of the reasons i love this show is how much diversity there is in general. I love the contrast for example between a hyperfeminine black woman like Mel and her masculine badass mother.
This show just does contrasts perfectly. Vander/Vi. Vander/Silco. Grayson/Marcus. Hell, even Jayce and Viktor are Cold War opposites of each other.
20:00 you fckn killed me with this I laughed so hard. This song gets so annoying so fast I hated that they put them in the show.
Jinx getting the hextech working off of just testing and some spare notes just shows how brilliant she is and it's super tragic
If Powder hadn't gone through the episode 3 trauma, and somehow met up with Viktor, just think of how much they could have accomplished together 😭
You guys should react to "Get Jinxed". Its a music video about Jinxs' character in League of Legends. It wont spoil anything about Arcane. Its just a fun music video for a very catchy song!
Dope! I'll see about it!
Jayce folded instantly like he got cooter kicked
18:03 Magister Maple of Tevinter
Kazoo Imagine Dragons....that is all people.... that's the highlight of this video 😂❤
Kazoo over the Imagine Dragons… so good!
real question : so people hate Imagine Dragons so much ?
I listen to a shit ton of music genres, and in the genre they're in, I never found that they made terrible music at all. And Ennemy is a pretty decent song overall with decent lyrics.
Why all the hate? Is this just a meme?
Vi and Cait are such a couple. So fast.
I so look forward to and hope the writers push their relationship together. It would break me if they end up fighting.
you know Viktor does the Hextech and Jayce the Sextech