What i love about your videos is that your "quic first impressiosn" are deeper and far more informative than entire full reviews made by others.And i still remember when you made a quick personal video to help me with my Nova Air, if you remember... you got a loyal follower that time. Thank you again, and i as always wish you the best.
@@MyDeepGuide: How can I get a better device with real colors other then pail ones and that the ram can be on time where there is no laging or slowness or have a delay, Onycs Boox needs to make them go faster if there is a device out there like a ereader then I need on to read stuff, I might be color blind but the boox service should be makeing them way better then a long time ago.
24:26 The screen is actually greener, not just an optical illusion. You can see red channel is lower than on the Ultra C. Perhaps front light could help to adjust but I wonder if any system level color calibration is available.
The cheap BOOX pens are bizarre. After almost two years of rattling, I finally figured out how to unscrew the top cap, and then used a tiny screwdriver to put the loose screw back in. I thought that rattling was a spare nib, because that’s what others were saying the compartment was for. Curiously, it doesn’t work on the Kindle Scribe, but the Scribe Premium pen works on the Nova Air 1 including the eraser and side button, and the magnetic attachment to the Nova Air is almost perfect. Amazon is having a democratising effect on the e note market, pushing the overall price down and providing a decent cross compatible pen.
I find it strange that the Leaf2 and Page have an SD slot, but the Tab Mini, which would be ideal for large file color comics, art books, magazines, etc. does not. If it did have the SD, or if it were considerably cheaper, I would be all over it. As is... I don't know.
Hey Voja. This is probably a preview of what we want, ie. the Tab Note Air C. I would imagine they will come out with all this in the larger Note screen.
Hi. I am using eink 7 inch from a very begining with keyboard kindle on a start. And from the begining half of my library was books half magazines. I belive there are more people like me and there is a market for this sort of colour smaller factor devices( not only mangas users ). The dream came true with kaleido3. And now i come to the point that reading capabilities will be biggest interest. If you plan to do in depth review please include. For writing i will stay with my air on the go and tab x stationary....
Dropped the ability to add page flip buttons on the cover, I don't see why, it's not like they added a waterproofing rating. Not having physical buttons makes it borderline unusable for me and I'd presume many others coming from the nova air predecessor.
Watching this on my tab mini. It is heavy for its size but feels reassuringly solid. The price and pen downgrade are a disappointment. The screen colours look richer next to tab u c which I don't understand. Maybe MDG will shed light on that.
Probably similar reason as the Leaf 2 in black and white bezels. With more darker bezels (here larger) you increase the contrast between screen and bezel and that would give that illusion. You could make photo side by side and look at the saturation levels.
Thanks for the honest review. Was contemplating if I should upgrade from Nova Air C. Weight and size is a priority for me so your review is very useful.
Thickness. Personally I'm a fan of a bit of thickness. As thin as a clipboard should not be the standard goal, IMHO. Physical books are thicker and comfortable and pleasingly tactile. So somewhere between a clipboard and a Moleskine, closer to the Moleskine.
@@radikl_ed If we wanted clipboards we'd just use clipboards? That doesn't make sense. A case, sure, but that's a device and a case now. Personally, I'd like the bare device to retain a baseline aesthetic thickness. My point is that not everyone wants it to be as thin as possible.
@ryanshanabarger Play nice. Discussions are always a good thing, especially when people have opposing opinions, but they need to be handled in a polite manner, so please try to adhere to that. Thank you.
I agree with you actually. THe trend to thinner and thinner is a bit tiring to me. Had they tried to do that the battery life would most likely be horrid. So I will take the heavier, thicker device for that. I was actually more annoyed by the cover not magnetically staying put…looking forward to its arrival though as I have been eager to try a colored e-ink.
Yeah - the ghosting was unacceptable to me. I could never get it to refresh after I even set it to 1 tap. I could see it in your video as well around 38:00. Is that just due to these Color screens? I never felt like I experienced it from my other Boox devices.
Thank you for this review! Although I honestly want an Air Note C version. I think for me it will be a perfect balance between Tab bulkiness and Nova smaller screen. I want a smaller format, for portable qualities, yet I genuenly like and need the bigger screen. So I guess, personally, I will have to compromise in that regard. Really want a Air Note C version and hope Boox will deliver and has its plans for it!
It is interesting how a number of people express concern about the weight of e-reader devices without acknowledging that they are still often much lighter and more portable - even as 10.2/3” devices - than their hard copy book equivalents. This is especially the case with the Kindle Scribe. Obviously, some people prefer a small form factor - 7/7.8” device rather than a 10.2/3” device but weight-wise the downside of having a heavier than other e-reader device is a little strange. However, to be fair, Voja is not making this hard copy book v Mini Tab C comparison and is not even saying the device is too heavy to use but is just pointing out it is noticeably heavier than previous Boox 7..8” devices. For me, that would t be so much of a problem although lighter and thinner is always going to be a plus. But for others that may be a big drawback so fair enough for this “initial” first impressions review to point that out as an immediately noticeable point. For me the price point would be the biggest drawback, esp with no expandable storage. Can’t see why the sensible choice wouldn’t be to get an iPad mini! More storage more “usability” and thinner if not lighter. Not as good battery and not e-ink but as Voja indicates, once those sorts of considerations outweigh the obvious attractions of an iPad or up to date Android tablet, you really are looking at a pretty niche market.
Well the problem is that it is heavier, thicker, more expensive, and has shorter battery lifetime than it's predecessor. The book thing so many people are mentioning is honestly completely irrelevant, when the only relevant point of comparison is this device's direct predecessor, the Nova Air C. Let's not pretend that it doesn't exist, as it does, so no need for book comparisons, as this device is not a book replacement, it is a 7.8" Android tablet with a color e-ink screen, same as the Nova Air C was and it is meant to replace it. It really is as simple as that :)
@@MyDeepGuide I disagree Voja. And yes, I do appreciate the effort that you put into your videos. You are making the same mistake that many of your lesser collegues tend to make: not everybody will consider buying every new (version of a) device when it comes out and will put a lot of weight on a comparison with the immediate predecessor. This goes into the same bucket as criticising Boox for bringing out "too many" incremental updates: it is a ridiculous argument based on an implied assumption that you should buy every version that comes out and that Boox should make that worth your while. But "let's not pretend that" this is how it works for most people. I would argue instead that most people would keep a device for several years before upgrading (or they may not even have an e-device yet) and for them a comparison with an immediate predecessor is only part of the picture, and probably not the most important part. They will need to compare with what they have "now", whatever that is (e.g. books). And I know that you can't cater for everybody in your audience; that would be unreasonable to expect. So comparing with a predecessor is a really good compromise (and the most practical thing to do; and of course you are doing much more than that), but that comparison is only one link in a chain for most people. And "let's not pretend that" for many people there won't be physical books on the other end of that chain. You know: the ones that also fall on top of you if you fall asleep while reading 🙂
Well your argument is flawed because that is exactly what I am talking about. A person who is eyeing to buy a device like this has two devices to choose from, from Boox right now: the Tab Mini C and the Nova Air C. They are even listed side by side as alternatives on the Boox product announcement. So yes, the users like you describe will be making exactly this choice and comparing the Tab Mini C against the Nova Air C, not against a book of any kind. And this is the reason why it should be compared against the Nova Air C, because the users and potential buyers will.
A book can be heavier (especially the big ones that you need to lay on a table) and be uncomfortable to hold, not all books are heavy though. If a device can be lighter and easier to hold than a book then why not make it lighter? In saying that though, seems like the current generation of Boox readers need the big battery due to gpu and there’s no way around it. So we can either buy the lighter previous gen or choose smooth animations and no ghosting at the cost of being heavier. Another alternative is to get rid of the metal case and use plastic to cut down the weight but then you lose the premium metal feel.
@@MyDeepGuide I think the book thing won’t be irrelevant to some people since if they view the Tab Mini C primarily as a deluxe colour e-reader, it’s an obvious comparison to make. However, to be fair, you weren’t making any book comparisons since you were only comparing the device against its colour predecessors rather than against non-devices such as books. Those of us who say “but why all the sounding off about the Tab Mini C’s extra weight?”, are really just saying that for us, that extra weight might not be as major a drawback as it is for your enjoyment of the device. We can’t really dispute your complaint, however, that the Tab Mini C is an unfortunate backward step in being heavier and thicker than its predecessors. That’s an undoubted empirical fact - the extra weight and thickness. How material or serious to enjoyment of the device that is, is a personal choice.
Color eink reader they have also a greenish screen. I prefer non color eink because their white screen feels easy more like the paper of books. Also colors are only 150ppi compared to 300pi for black. Also black is more responsive than colors.
Suggest a new metric: Let's continue with the review as usual and then at the end count number of times when screen didn't respond to the touch. I noticed that none of the reviewers pay attention to it, but it does affect the overall feel of a device quite a lot! In my personal experience I noticed that smaller Boox devices are all less responsive to touch than 10.3 models. Maybe less flex of the screen due to the size? Not sure about others, but for me it's quite annoying and the main reason I abandoned my Nova Air.
A little update: if we ignore some abnormal irresponsiveness in the beginning, there were 24 mistouches out of 118 in total. (~21%). It is quite a lot of repeated touches necessary! P.S. I skipped some frequent repetitive touches when Voja was testing the speed of page flipping. Somehow, when you do often repetitive touches, number of non-registered touches always goes down (from personal experience).... Perhaps, human factor, may be something else.
Have you taken into account the fact that I am presenting this from a very strange angle and I can't properly see the screen and I also make a mistake and not touch the designated areas? Not all non-responses are the machine's fault, some are human error as well :)
Great one Voja, thanks. I am curious to hear you miss your Note Air 1. What exactly do you miss considering all the improvements we have seen in the new products? and also, what would be the best replacement for it today? (thinking of upgrading... maybe...?)
I miss the Nova Air 1, as it is a direct point of comparison. I miss the design/color, the portability, battery life, not getting warm, and the paper like surface on the screen. As for a replacement, well, I'm not the best to ask that, as this is supposed to be it's replacement, and I would get Nova Air 1 any day of the year rather than the Tab Mini, but I am absolutely certain that there will be a significant number of people who will prefer the Tab Mini, because its more than obvious improvements.
@@MyDeepGuideHi Voja, I currently have a Nova Air 2 and thought I wanted a Tab Mini C but based on your review now I think I would try to get a Nova Air C while they still sell, mostly for a very occasional color comic or few book images, or would you advise me to stay put with my current black/white Nova Air 2 I'm perfectly happy with? I use it for notes, projecting my screen in meetings, and for kindle like reading. Would you want to get back your Nova Air? Or would you try to get back to a Nova Air C instead if you could?
I have been using your MMP Meeting guide for two weeks now and really enjoy it, especially using it in conjunction with your MDO planner. Am I able to email specific pages from the Meeting guide to other meeting attendees?.
Thank you for the support! Yes, but the specific actions will vary from platform to platform. But in most of the device what you are looking for is Share or Export. You would export the page in question in format you prefer (PNG or PDF) and then email the exported content to the recipient.
Have found different apps that contain colour need different settings, so one colour setting, say comics is not ideal for say, if you have pictures in the gallery, a bit of sharping for comics makes things a slight bit clearer and looks good, so can optimize the mini tab c or boox go 7 with different colour settings and is a system you got to custom for each app, and depending on colour will need to customize it I love tech abd twinking, so don't mind and when to your liking makes it superior to the kobo Clara and Libra. Also getting a mini C yo compliment my Boox go 7
Yeah, I won't do that anymore, because the test takes a lot of time and effort, and whenever I do it, there are those who want the test to be done in this or in that way, so I'm not going to do that test anymore, and instead will simply show the devices side by side, so that people can take the information how they want.
@@MyDeepGuide Thank you! Showing them side by side (or just saying your impression) is what I meant. Sorry to hear people are bugging you! It was never my intention
My Tab Ultra C weighs exactly what Boox claims to weigh and actually it was only 60gr more than the Note Air 2 (a bit heavier than the official specs), so percentage wise not a big deal. But here this tablet is really overweight!
PDFs can't support mathematical operations without Java Scripting, and these devices do not support Java Scripts inside of PDFs, so unfortunately no, I can't.
my nova2 is 265g and 197.3x137x7.7 so, if the weight was as declared, it would have been 'just' thickier. As for perception, do you think a mini-keyboard cover or even just a cover that keep it standing on a table could be a thing enhancing usability ? (ok, it's unconfortable on an armchair)
@@MyDeepGuide It's a terrible experience to write with that flap on the way. Flipping the flap back creates unbalance when writing so the only way is to get the device out of the case to write.
I'm very curious if this supports the erase button from the 2 Pro as I'd probably upgrade to that at some point if purchasing this in the future (it's already down to EUR 460 with case here when taking a refurbished unit). I don't doubt you'll cover that in your full review though given your thoroughness :) At least for now I'll delay until a second generation of the GPU comes out making a smaller battery (and therefore lower weight) feasible. The doubling in weight going from my current Poke3 to a Mini C would be rather painful. I'm assuming they are using a much older GPU production node right now. Hopefully they'll either improve that (as newer ones get cheaper) or optimize the chip design and / or possible software workarounds even further. The Mini C looks lovely for my other use case - I make use of the Boox as an external screen for a Raspberry Pi like computer. Specifically I run a custom terminal emulator with email client / RSS reader over VNC. Being the only one with this use case however... I really do agree with your conclusions re niche... let's just hope there are enough customers to get an improved v2!
Another follow up question for the full review (I really can't stop thinking about this...). Does the Mini C also have Split Screen functionality in NeoReader? As in, reading with two columns? I think this might make it far more useful for the "reading in bed" use case even if it is heavier.
I couldn't withstand the temptation... as such I can already reply to this one in the positive, it has split screen. And it suits my use cases perfectly. Reading in bed is also covered by it. The "newspaper" feel / texture of the new color screen is quite lovely!. Using it with my Samsung Tab S6 pen with eraser button. Even attaches magnetically to the side well. And amusingly fits the case more snugly than the original pen (which I have never really used on the Samsung tablet as I could never find a good position / place in the flat to write on it and the feel wasn't great) P.S Thanks to all your great reviews you now have a new MDO customer too ;)
Can you please clarify if it's possible to change the settings in such a way so that the battery life is longer instead of taking advantage of the GPU and color rendering? I would use this device 90% of the time as I use my current Nova Air, for reading novels. No need for GPU or color. But I wouldn't mind upgrading for the increased b/w ppl as well as that 10% of the time when I might want to tap into GPU/color usage. So, can you sort of 'turn off' the gpu and just have a Nova Air 2 with longer battery?
No you can't, unfortunately. Color is achieved through a passive filter on the screen, so color will always be displayed in color, and GPU cannot be disabled. 8n my opinion they could easily solve both issues through software alone: 1. Enabling the "Bedtime Mode" something that Android already has and it forces the device to display content in grayscale. That way the device would be able to display everything in maximum resolution in grayscale, if that is what the user is looking for. 2. A dedicated refresh mode that doesn't utilize the GPU at all. This should dramatically increase battery life on GPU enabled devices.
Doesn't have a camera😂😂😂 Actually I'm serious about this. With that size, the camera would make it a perfect photo journalism notebook. That said, I love what you have to present and the way you approach it.
I returned my tab ultra c because it was too big, ultra C Mini arriving today. I like your reviews but in this one you are kind of obsessed with the weight, the weight looks similar to the iPhone 13 Pro Max I have. And I like it, weight means to me quality and light devices seem cheap to me. I don’t know how many times you mentioned the weight in your video and this is probably not essential for many users. Waiting for your proper deep guide of this device and without sticking to one feature and repeating it constantly 😊. Anyway, the best reviews of eink devices on this channel 👍
Because it is falsely represented in the specifications, and that potential customers need to be aware of this, since it's not reported elsewhere, and while you may like the weight, other people may not. Return policy with Boox can be problematic, so I want to make sure that people understand what it is exactly that they will be getting for a lot of money that the Tab Mini is going for.
Good video…thank you. Feel more confident in my purchase. I am disappointed that they did not put or even offer a more premium pen with an eraser - especially at the price point.
i think you vastly overestimate the weight component relative to portability. I suppose if you were climbing everest it might be an issue, but a nice solid feel, easy to grip, that doesn't feel like a toy, and feels solid, and like a useful tool I think is important. Being able to play with all the possible devices may skew perception, but I suspect after about a day of carrying it, if it was your only option and you didn't have all the other ones to compare to, it wouldn't matter.
@@MyDeepGuide Not this one. I just have several e-readers/note devices/tablets/PC's, boox, supernote, mobiscribe, kindles, nooks, lenovo android tablets, samsung tablets, surface tablets, and at least for me, the ones that feel more solid are the ones that I prefer, like a fine tool. I don't see the upside personally to being the thinnest and lightest, other than manufacturer bragging rights, but so what? If my note phone weighed 20 more grams, would I stop using it? Nope. Did I buy it because it was the lightest in the class? Nope. Bought it because it did the job. it feels well constructed, and unless it weighed 5 lbs and pulled my pants off when it was in my pocket, it is fine, whatever it weighs. But I'm also from the generation where cars were made of steel and not plastic, and stuff lasted, instead of being thrown away for the next shiny object, so maybe I'm just old and set in my ways.
But would you buy a new model of a phone that was thicker, heavier, more expensive and has a 50% shorter battery life. Do you see that as a justifiable set of compromises for better display quality alone, and nothing else?
@@MyDeepGuide All good points, however, for me specifically, the thicker/heavier part doesn't apply so much, because I like a solid feel. Battery life may be an issue, although basically every electronic chargeable device I own has a place and a charger and is hooked up. For devices that can do wireless charging, there's pads all over the place, and I've tried a few of those add-on wireless/usb things, and some have worked, some havent'... And again, for me, these are tools to do a job, not artwork, not things I'm going to show off to my friends, and so if it's the right tool, then to a point, the price isn't as important. However, all things being equal, software, etc, I would not go out of my way to deliberately choose a heavier device, unless it just felt more solid and more durable. If the uber light one was out of stock, and the other one wasn't, and I needed one, I wouldn't wait, I'd just order the heavier one, and keep on getting stuff done. I remember you saying in a video not too long ago that you kind of had to have an emotional connection with your devices, and perhaps that's coming in to play, in that we just approach the purchase of a new device from completely different perspectives. I buy it to do a job, if something better comes along, the current one gets tossed in a drawer or factory reset and regifted, and the new one gets used. But I have zero attachment to it. I have never rubbed the back of any of my devices to check the "feel in my hands", like you do, I just don't care. As long as it doesn't go shooting across the room when I grab it, it could be made out of peanut butter. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy your channel immensely, I always check your deep reviews before buying any of these type of devices, and I appreciate all the work you put in to them. We just approach these things from different levels. And as another side note, I ended up having to get my parents super thick cases for their two lenovo tablets I got them, because old age and arthritis made it so they had a hard time holding on to the thin one.
That's all totally fine, and I enjoy having a conversation about a topic from different perspectives, because it challenges my viewpoints and I get to see the validity of my own arguments in a conversation like this, so I consider it valuable :)
I can't speculate on that, as I don't have any facts to support it, but yes, it's not the first time the weight of their device has been mistakenly specified, and not corrected even after being measured.
Or the other videos have a setup like that, so that the screen will be the brightest area in the frame, so the camera will adapt to it and make it seem brighter than it is. Something to think about as well :)
That's the problem and short coming of a BSR device, heavy and bulky. It's a big sacrifice and can see it's another reason the go 7 colour is not a BSR device. Would be to heavy so needing a bigger battery adding a lot of weight or keeping the same weight, but very poor battery life
Are you really complaining about the ~60g more? 😁 If you read a bigger (offline) book, it will be even heavier than that. And the portability is more about the size than the weight. You put in your pocket.
No, I am not complaining about anything. I am commenting on the fact that this device is 32% heavier than it's predecessor and 31% thicker, as other users may be interested to know these facts, especially when you take into consideration the fact that the weight is still being misrepresented on the official specs of the device, which will be misleading for people who are willing to pay the high price tag of this device.
@@MyDeepGuide You are right with the misleading weight information, but personally, I don't mind if a device weights a tiny but more. It sounded a bit like you meant it is not really portable anymore because of the weight. A paper book with 300 to 400 pages will have a weight around 300g to 400g so that is an argument against the 'missing portability'. I see plenty of small children with paper books on the subway, so this kind of 'weight class' is probably not a problem. At least in the 'real world'. :D
@@MyDeepGuide Appreciated you measured the weight and it's about same what Chalid measured at 310g. Pretty odd they get these specs wrong, maybe earlier prototypes were different. For me not a big issue if comparing to the category of color e-ink readers like the Tab Ultra C. My old Kindle Voyage with cover is same weight so should be able to hold it bit longer than a Tab C. If you don't need color, then for sure the lighter devices are nicer to hold.
Yes, but it is not a book.It's a portable Tablet PC, which is the successor of the Nova Air 2 and Nova Air C, so it's being compared to those. Apples to apples, oranges to oranges :)
@@MyDeepGuide It's a hybrid, but mainly it's an e-ink Android tablet. And the keyboard device is missing for a 'Tablet PC'. So, it's not 'really' a Tablet PC but more of a reading device. If you would see it as a Tablet PC, you would have to compare it with similar class. E.g. a Microsoft Surface. Which has double the weight. So, we would have to agree to disagree about the exact specific classification. ;-)
Please don’t buy it . I bought it and it’s very slow and ghosting issues and the screen kept flashing. When I emailed customer service for return they tell you it’s normal. But n their website this tab mini c is advertising as super smooth experience. They tried everything but refused to gave me their return addresses. Until the 4 th time I ask to return and quoted the law in the uk for returning online purchases. Told them their refusal is breaking the law. I finally got it returned.
I'm afraid the device shown isn't quite right. My Tab Mini C has no touch screen problems, and there is no color difference to the Tab Ultra C. As for the weight - it's exactly 34g heavier than my Nova 2 and about 30g lighter than an average 400 page paperback. It depends a lot on how you hold it - for reading I even prefer it to the Leaf2; I hold it in my left hand - thumb and thumb pads in front and the rest of the fingers behind - and read in two columns in landscape format. As for the cover - mine stank like old car tires; only a one-hour bath in vinegar and subsequent thorough washing has caused him to smell slightly of vinegar and rubber.
It's thicker requiring a larger battery with a small factor, but long how does that _'thicker battery'_ last? If it's not very long then you have the worst of both worlds.
I believe is because the size of the market, they buy quite a lot more than Europe! You ser this in most brands. Still a rip off. I think it includes Vat
US prices are priced without VAT. They differ from state to state, but are also missing in normal stores. Super weird as a european to see the final price only at checkout. However US is still cheaper by 20 EUR, even accounting for 20% VAT
What i love about your videos is that your "quic first impressiosn" are deeper and far more informative than entire full reviews made by others.And i still remember when you made a quick personal video to help me with my Nova Air, if you remember... you got a loyal follower that time. Thank you again, and i as always wish you the best.
Thank you very much! :)
@@MyDeepGuide: How can I get a better device with real colors other then pail ones and that the ram can be on time where there is no laging or slowness or have a delay, Onycs Boox needs to make them go faster if there is a device out there like a ereader then I need on to read stuff, I might be color blind but the boox service should be makeing them way better then a long time ago.
Thanks! God Bless you, Voja. I appreciate everything you do for us (subscribers). 😊
Thank you very much for your kindness and generosity! :)
24:26 The screen is actually greener, not just an optical illusion. You can see red channel is lower than on the Ultra C. Perhaps front light could help to adjust but I wonder if any system level color calibration is available.
The cheap BOOX pens are bizarre. After almost two years of rattling, I finally figured out how to unscrew the top cap, and then used a tiny screwdriver to put the loose screw back in. I thought that rattling was a spare nib, because that’s what others were saying the compartment was for. Curiously, it doesn’t work on the Kindle Scribe, but the Scribe Premium pen works on the Nova Air 1 including the eraser and side button, and the magnetic attachment to the Nova Air is almost perfect. Amazon is having a democratising effect on the e note market, pushing the overall price down and providing a decent cross compatible pen.
I find it strange that the Leaf2 and Page have an SD slot, but the Tab Mini, which would be ideal for large file color comics, art books, magazines, etc. does not. If it did have the SD, or if it were considerably cheaper, I would be all over it. As is... I don't know.
Thanks!
Hey Voja. This is probably a preview of what we want, ie. the Tab Note Air C. I would imagine they will come out with all this in the larger Note screen.
Thanks ! Your first impressions are always helping me ! :-)
I legit lol'd with the sound effect on the flap closing. I am trying not to wake my husband up, but every time it made me cackle.
It is always ready for a fight, it seems! 👊
Lack of SD card expansion gives me some pause, but I suppose I can make use of personal or public cloud if I get that many comics.
Hi. I am using eink 7 inch from a very begining with keyboard kindle on a start. And from the begining half of my library was books half magazines. I belive there are more people like me and there is a market for this sort of colour smaller factor devices( not only mangas users ). The dream came true with kaleido3. And now i come to the point that reading capabilities will be biggest interest. If you plan to do in depth review please include. For writing i will stay with my air on the go and tab x stationary....
Dropped the ability to add page flip buttons on the cover, I don't see why, it's not like they added a waterproofing rating. Not having physical buttons makes it borderline unusable for me and I'd presume many others coming from the nova air predecessor.
Thanks. Saw the green tint too. If it had a mcrosd,I would have been tempted. My tab ultra c is on ts way (!)
Could you please compare the pen latency between Supernote and Mini C?
Thank you for your sharing!!! It's helps a lot!!
Watching this on my tab mini. It is heavy for its size but feels reassuringly solid. The price and pen downgrade are a disappointment. The screen colours look richer next to tab u c which I don't understand. Maybe MDG will shed light on that.
Probably similar reason as the Leaf 2 in black and white bezels. With more darker bezels (here larger) you increase the contrast between screen and bezel and that would give that illusion. You could make photo side by side and look at the saturation levels.
@@luc7976 I'll check it out.
Thanks for the honest review. Was contemplating if I should upgrade from Nova Air C. Weight and size is a priority for me so your review is very useful.
I really would like to somehow apply this unsaturated color scheme to all of my non-eink screens. I kind of love it.
44:47 Also manga is black and white, so the colour doesn't change much.
Thickness. Personally I'm a fan of a bit of thickness. As thin as a clipboard should not be the standard goal, IMHO. Physical books are thicker and comfortable and pleasingly tactile. So somewhere between a clipboard and a Moleskine, closer to the Moleskine.
You can always add thickness with a case. If we wanted thick books we’d just use books.
@@radikl_ed If we wanted clipboards we'd just use clipboards? That doesn't make sense.
A case, sure, but that's a device and a case now. Personally, I'd like the bare device to retain a baseline aesthetic thickness. My point is that not everyone wants it to be as thin as possible.
@@t0dd000 lmao you’re delusional
@ryanshanabarger Play nice. Discussions are always a good thing, especially when people have opposing opinions, but they need to be handled in a polite manner, so please try to adhere to that. Thank you.
I agree with you actually. THe trend to thinner and thinner is a bit tiring to me. Had they tried to do that the battery life would most likely be horrid. So I will take the heavier, thicker device for that. I was actually more annoyed by the cover not magnetically staying put…looking forward to its arrival though as I have been eager to try a colored e-ink.
Yeah - the ghosting was unacceptable to me. I could never get it to refresh after I even set it to 1 tap. I could see it in your video as well around 38:00. Is that just due to these Color screens? I never felt like I experienced it from my other Boox devices.
The restraint needed to wait before you open it up is pretty impressive.
Thank you for this review! Although I honestly want an Air Note C version. I think for me it will be a perfect balance between Tab bulkiness and Nova smaller screen. I want a smaller format, for portable qualities, yet I genuenly like and need the bigger screen. So I guess, personally, I will have to compromise in that regard. Really want a Air Note C version and hope Boox will deliver and has its plans for it!
I just wish that Supernote had a device with colour screen of this quality.
what's funny to me is that I wish Boox had exactly this device but with the A6X2's screen!
It is interesting how a number of people express concern about the weight of e-reader devices without acknowledging that they are still often much lighter and more portable - even as 10.2/3” devices - than their hard copy book equivalents. This is especially the case with the Kindle Scribe. Obviously, some people prefer a small form factor - 7/7.8” device rather than a 10.2/3” device but weight-wise the downside of having a heavier than other e-reader device is a little strange. However, to be fair, Voja is not making this hard copy book v Mini Tab C comparison and is not even saying the device is too heavy to use but is just pointing out it is noticeably heavier than previous Boox 7..8” devices.
For me, that would t be so much of a problem although lighter and thinner is always going to be a plus. But for others that may be a big drawback so fair enough for this “initial” first impressions review to point that out as an immediately noticeable point.
For me the price point would be the biggest drawback, esp with no expandable storage. Can’t see why the sensible choice wouldn’t be to get an iPad mini! More storage more “usability” and thinner if not lighter. Not as good battery and not e-ink but as Voja indicates, once those sorts of considerations outweigh the obvious attractions of an iPad or up to date Android tablet, you really are looking at a pretty niche market.
Well the problem is that it is heavier, thicker, more expensive, and has shorter battery lifetime than it's predecessor.
The book thing so many people are mentioning is honestly completely irrelevant, when the only relevant point of comparison is this device's direct predecessor, the Nova Air C. Let's not pretend that it doesn't exist, as it does, so no need for book comparisons, as this device is not a book replacement, it is a 7.8" Android tablet with a color e-ink screen, same as the Nova Air C was and it is meant to replace it. It really is as simple as that :)
@@MyDeepGuide I disagree Voja. And yes, I do appreciate the effort that you put into your videos.
You are making the same mistake that many of your lesser collegues tend to make: not everybody will consider buying every new (version of a) device when it comes out and will put a lot of weight on a comparison with the immediate predecessor. This goes into the same bucket as criticising Boox for bringing out "too many" incremental updates: it is a ridiculous argument based on an implied assumption that you should buy every version that comes out and that Boox should make that worth your while.
But "let's not pretend that" this is how it works for most people. I would argue instead that most people would keep a device for several years before upgrading (or they may not even have an e-device yet) and for them a comparison with an immediate predecessor is only part of the picture, and probably not the most important part. They will need to compare with what they have "now", whatever that is (e.g. books).
And I know that you can't cater for everybody in your audience; that would be unreasonable to expect. So comparing with a predecessor is a really good compromise (and the most practical thing to do; and of course you are doing much more than that), but that comparison is only one link in a chain for most people. And "let's not pretend that" for many people there won't be physical books on the other end of that chain. You know: the ones that also fall on top of you if you fall asleep while reading 🙂
Well your argument is flawed because that is exactly what I am talking about. A person who is eyeing to buy a device like this has two devices to choose from, from Boox right now: the Tab Mini C and the Nova Air C. They are even listed side by side as alternatives on the Boox product announcement.
So yes, the users like you describe will be making exactly this choice and comparing the Tab Mini C against the Nova Air C, not against a book of any kind. And this is the reason why it should be compared against the Nova Air C, because the users and potential buyers will.
A book can be heavier (especially the big ones that you need to lay on a table) and be uncomfortable to hold, not all books are heavy though. If a device can be lighter and easier to hold than a book then why not make it lighter?
In saying that though, seems like the current generation of Boox readers need the big battery due to gpu and there’s no way around it. So we can either buy the lighter previous gen or choose smooth animations and no ghosting at the cost of being heavier.
Another alternative is to get rid of the metal case and use plastic to cut down the weight but then you lose the premium metal feel.
@@MyDeepGuide I think the book thing won’t be irrelevant to some people since if they view the Tab Mini C primarily as a deluxe colour e-reader, it’s an obvious comparison to make. However, to be fair, you weren’t making any book comparisons since you were only comparing the device against its colour predecessors rather than against non-devices such as books.
Those of us who say “but why all the sounding off about the Tab Mini C’s extra weight?”, are really just saying that for us, that extra weight might not be as major a drawback as it is for your enjoyment of the device. We can’t really dispute your complaint, however, that the Tab Mini C is an unfortunate backward step in being heavier and thicker than its predecessors. That’s an undoubted empirical fact - the extra weight and thickness. How material or serious to enjoyment of the device that is, is a personal choice.
Color eink reader they have also a greenish screen. I prefer non color eink because their white screen feels easy more like the paper of books.
Also colors are only 150ppi compared to 300pi for black.
Also black is more responsive than colors.
Suggest a new metric: Let's continue with the review as usual and then at the end count number of times when screen didn't respond to the touch. I noticed that none of the reviewers pay attention to it, but it does affect the overall feel of a device quite a lot!
In my personal experience I noticed that smaller Boox devices are all less responsive to touch than 10.3 models. Maybe less flex of the screen due to the size?
Not sure about others, but for me it's quite annoying and the main reason I abandoned my Nova Air.
A little update: if we ignore some abnormal irresponsiveness in the beginning, there were 24 mistouches out of 118 in total. (~21%).
It is quite a lot of repeated touches necessary!
P.S.
I skipped some frequent repetitive touches when Voja was testing the speed of page flipping. Somehow, when you do often repetitive touches, number of non-registered touches always goes down (from personal experience).... Perhaps, human factor, may be something else.
Have you taken into account the fact that I am presenting this from a very strange angle and I can't properly see the screen and I also make a mistake and not touch the designated areas? Not all non-responses are the machine's fault, some are human error as well :)
Great one Voja, thanks. I am curious to hear you miss your Note Air 1. What exactly do you miss considering all the improvements we have seen in the new products? and also, what would be the best replacement for it today? (thinking of upgrading... maybe...?)
I miss the Nova Air 1, as it is a direct point of comparison. I miss the design/color, the portability, battery life, not getting warm, and the paper like surface on the screen.
As for a replacement, well, I'm not the best to ask that, as this is supposed to be it's replacement, and I would get Nova Air 1 any day of the year rather than the Tab Mini, but I am absolutely certain that there will be a significant number of people who will prefer the Tab Mini, because its more than obvious improvements.
Thanks, now it makes a lot more sense. I think you said "Note Air" in the video 😊
@@MyDeepGuideHi Voja, I currently have a Nova Air 2 and thought I wanted a Tab Mini C but based on your review now I think I would try to get a Nova Air C while they still sell, mostly for a very occasional color comic or few book images, or would you advise me to stay put with my current black/white Nova Air 2 I'm perfectly happy with? I use it for notes, projecting my screen in meetings, and for kindle like reading. Would you want to get back your Nova Air? Or would you try to get back to a Nova Air C instead if you could?
I have been using your MMP Meeting guide for two weeks now and really enjoy it, especially using it in conjunction with your MDO planner. Am I able to email specific pages from the Meeting guide to other meeting attendees?.
Thank you for the support! Yes, but the specific actions will vary from platform to platform. But in most of the device what you are looking for is Share or Export. You would export the page in question in format you prefer (PNG or PDF) and then email the exported content to the recipient.
Hello I have Boox C pro but the color when I print is very different I see on the table
RIP Voja, after eating that desiccant bag! But seriously thanks for the videos. They must take a lot of work.
Yez they do, dat'z why I must haz ma nOm NoMz!
Have found different apps that contain colour need different settings, so one colour setting, say comics is not ideal for say, if you have pictures in the gallery, a bit of sharping for comics makes things a slight bit clearer and looks good, so can optimize the mini tab c or boox go 7 with different colour settings and is a system you got to custom for each app, and depending on colour will need to customize it
I love tech abd twinking, so don't mind and when to your liking makes it superior to the kobo Clara and Libra.
Also getting a mini C yo compliment my Boox go 7
😌😌😌 Thank you!
I’m on the market for a colored one :) what’s your favorite one in color? The Boox tab c?
So, are you saying this is a heavy metal version? 20:21
Oh yeah :)
Could you say - does the Gallery 3 better than Kaleido 3 in color? Any comparison?
Waiting for the full review!
have you been reading any sheet music on a 7.8 Inch tablet? If so, what was your experience like?
No, as that would be too small for me.
Do you think the next version is coming soon?
Thank you! This is so good. Can you please compare the greyness of the background to no color devices?
Yeah, I won't do that anymore, because the test takes a lot of time and effort, and whenever I do it, there are those who want the test to be done in this or in that way, so I'm not going to do that test anymore, and instead will simply show the devices side by side, so that people can take the information how they want.
@@MyDeepGuide Thank you! Showing them side by side (or just saying your impression) is what I meant. Sorry to hear people are bugging you! It was never my intention
You didn't bug me at all :)
My Tab Ultra C weighs exactly what Boox claims to weigh and actually it was only 60gr more than the Note Air 2 (a bit heavier than the official specs), so percentage wise not a big deal. But here this tablet is really overweight!
Could you make an organizer or personal finance record? but I would like it to be possible to add or subtract
PDFs can't support mathematical operations without Java Scripting, and these devices do not support Java Scripts inside of PDFs, so unfortunately no, I can't.
my nova2 is 265g and 197.3x137x7.7 so, if the weight was as declared, it would have been 'just' thickier. As for perception, do you think a mini-keyboard cover or even just a cover that keep it standing on a table could be a thing enhancing usability ? (ok, it's unconfortable on an armchair)
That flap you hate so much, anyway, attaches on the back magnetically, so that it doesn't close in front on its own :D
No! It just wants to fight! 👊
@@MyDeepGuide It's a terrible experience to write with that flap on the way. Flipping the flap back creates unbalance when writing so the only way is to get the device out of the case to write.
I'm very curious if this supports the erase button from the 2 Pro as I'd probably upgrade to that at some point if purchasing this in the future (it's already down to EUR 460 with case here when taking a refurbished unit). I don't doubt you'll cover that in your full review though given your thoroughness :)
At least for now I'll delay until a second generation of the GPU comes out making a smaller battery (and therefore lower weight) feasible. The doubling in weight going from my current Poke3 to a Mini C would be rather painful. I'm assuming they are using a much older GPU production node right now. Hopefully they'll either improve that (as newer ones get cheaper) or optimize the chip design and / or possible software workarounds even further.
The Mini C looks lovely for my other use case - I make use of the Boox as an external screen for a Raspberry Pi like computer. Specifically I run a custom terminal emulator with email client / RSS reader over VNC. Being the only one with this use case however... I really do agree with your conclusions re niche... let's just hope there are enough customers to get an improved v2!
Another follow up question for the full review (I really can't stop thinking about this...). Does the Mini C also have Split Screen functionality in NeoReader? As in, reading with two columns? I think this might make it far more useful for the "reading in bed" use case even if it is heavier.
I couldn't withstand the temptation... as such I can already reply to this one in the positive, it has split screen. And it suits my use cases perfectly. Reading in bed is also covered by it. The "newspaper" feel / texture of the new color screen is quite lovely!. Using it with my Samsung Tab S6 pen with eraser button. Even attaches magnetically to the side well. And amusingly fits the case more snugly than the original pen (which I have never really used on the Samsung tablet as I could never find a good position / place in the flat to write on it and the feel wasn't great)
P.S Thanks to all your great reviews you now have a new MDO customer too ;)
Price is definitely very high but size is more then ok and weight is little more then i would like
Can you please clarify if it's possible to change the settings in such a way so that the battery life is longer instead of taking advantage of the GPU and color rendering? I would use this device 90% of the time as I use my current Nova Air, for reading novels. No need for GPU or color. But I wouldn't mind upgrading for the increased b/w ppl as well as that 10% of the time when I might want to tap into GPU/color usage.
So, can you sort of 'turn off' the gpu and just have a Nova Air 2 with longer battery?
No you can't, unfortunately. Color is achieved through a passive filter on the screen, so color will always be displayed in color, and GPU cannot be disabled. 8n my opinion they could easily solve both issues through software alone:
1. Enabling the "Bedtime Mode" something that Android already has and it forces the device to display content in grayscale. That way the device would be able to display everything in maximum resolution in grayscale, if that is what the user is looking for.
2. A dedicated refresh mode that doesn't utilize the GPU at all. This should dramatically increase battery life on GPU enabled devices.
Doesn't have a camera😂😂😂
Actually I'm serious about this. With that size, the camera would make it a perfect photo journalism notebook.
That said, I love what you have to present and the way you approach it.
Bro right
Will the pen with the eraser work on the tab Mini?
Yes, it will work on any Boox device that supports EMR pens, Tab Mini included.
I returned my tab ultra c because it was too big, ultra C Mini arriving today. I like your reviews but in this one you are kind of obsessed with the weight, the weight looks similar to the iPhone 13 Pro Max I have. And I like it, weight means to me quality and light devices seem cheap to me. I don’t know how many times you mentioned the weight in your video and this is probably not essential for many users. Waiting for your proper deep guide of this device and without sticking to one feature and repeating it constantly 😊. Anyway, the best reviews of eink devices on this channel 👍
Because it is falsely represented in the specifications, and that potential customers need to be aware of this, since it's not reported elsewhere, and while you may like the weight, other people may not. Return policy with Boox can be problematic, so I want to make sure that people understand what it is exactly that they will be getting for a lot of money that the Tab Mini is going for.
Good video…thank you. Feel more confident in my purchase. I am disappointed that they did not put or even offer a more premium pen with an eraser - especially at the price point.
Its hard to tell the performance just by tap gestures imo.
i think you vastly overestimate the weight component relative to portability. I suppose if you were climbing everest it might be an issue, but a nice solid feel, easy to grip, that doesn't feel like a toy, and feels solid, and like a useful tool I think is important. Being able to play with all the possible devices may skew perception, but I suspect after about a day of carrying it, if it was your only option and you didn't have all the other ones to compare to, it wouldn't matter.
Have you handled it personally?
@@MyDeepGuide Not this one. I just have several e-readers/note devices/tablets/PC's, boox, supernote, mobiscribe, kindles, nooks, lenovo android tablets, samsung tablets, surface tablets, and at least for me, the ones that feel more solid are the ones that I prefer, like a fine tool. I don't see the upside personally to being the thinnest and lightest, other than manufacturer bragging rights, but so what? If my note phone weighed 20 more grams, would I stop using it? Nope. Did I buy it because it was the lightest in the class? Nope. Bought it because it did the job. it feels well constructed, and unless it weighed 5 lbs and pulled my pants off when it was in my pocket, it is fine, whatever it weighs. But I'm also from the generation where cars were made of steel and not plastic, and stuff lasted, instead of being thrown away for the next shiny object, so maybe I'm just old and set in my ways.
But would you buy a new model of a phone that was thicker, heavier, more expensive and has a 50% shorter battery life. Do you see that as a justifiable set of compromises for better display quality alone, and nothing else?
@@MyDeepGuide All good points, however, for me specifically, the thicker/heavier part doesn't apply so much, because I like a solid feel. Battery life may be an issue, although basically every electronic chargeable device I own has a place and a charger and is hooked up. For devices that can do wireless charging, there's pads all over the place, and I've tried a few of those add-on wireless/usb things, and some have worked, some havent'... And again, for me, these are tools to do a job, not artwork, not things I'm going to show off to my friends, and so if it's the right tool, then to a point, the price isn't as important. However, all things being equal, software, etc, I would not go out of my way to deliberately choose a heavier device, unless it just felt more solid and more durable. If the uber light one was out of stock, and the other one wasn't, and I needed one, I wouldn't wait, I'd just order the heavier one, and keep on getting stuff done.
I remember you saying in a video not too long ago that you kind of had to have an emotional connection with your devices, and perhaps that's coming in to play, in that we just approach the purchase of a new device from completely different perspectives. I buy it to do a job, if something better comes along, the current one gets tossed in a drawer or factory reset and regifted, and the new one gets used. But I have zero attachment to it. I have never rubbed the back of any of my devices to check the "feel in my hands", like you do, I just don't care. As long as it doesn't go shooting across the room when I grab it, it could be made out of peanut butter.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy your channel immensely, I always check your deep reviews before buying any of these type of devices, and I appreciate all the work you put in to them. We just approach these things from different levels.
And as another side note, I ended up having to get my parents super thick cases for their two lenovo tablets I got them, because old age and arthritis made it so they had a hard time holding on to the thin one.
That's all totally fine, and I enjoy having a conversation about a topic from different perspectives, because it challenges my viewpoints and I get to see the validity of my own arguments in a conversation like this, so I consider it valuable :)
The official specs are 264g. They've got the weight wrong for other devices IIRC. Maybe the other specs are wrong too.
No, they are not, as the CPU, ram, storage, thickness all checks out.
@@MyDeepGuide So it is very odd that they get something very basic and easily measured so wrong. Maybe these are marketing grams!
I can't speculate on that, as I don't have any facts to support it, but yes, it's not the first time the weight of their device has been mistakenly specified, and not corrected even after being measured.
The table is so white it dims the screen of the TMC. It seems greyer than other videos I've seen.
Or the other videos have a setup like that, so that the screen will be the brightest area in the frame, so the camera will adapt to it and make it seem brighter than it is. Something to think about as well :)
@@MyDeepGuide notice that when you zoom in, the screen is a lot more visible.
@@MyDeepGuide don't worry, your videos are superb.
That's the problem and short coming of a BSR device, heavy and bulky. It's a big sacrifice and can see it's another reason the go 7 colour is not a BSR device. Would be to heavy so needing a bigger battery adding a lot of weight or keeping the same weight, but very poor battery life
Wish it had a microSD card slot and 8gb of ram...
Are you really complaining about the ~60g more? 😁
If you read a bigger (offline) book, it will be even heavier than that. And the portability is more about the size than the weight. You put in your pocket.
No, I am not complaining about anything. I am commenting on the fact that this device is 32% heavier than it's predecessor and 31% thicker, as other users may be interested to know these facts, especially when you take into consideration the fact that the weight is still being misrepresented on the official specs of the device, which will be misleading for people who are willing to pay the high price tag of this device.
@@MyDeepGuide You are right with the misleading weight information, but personally, I don't mind if a device weights a tiny but more.
It sounded a bit like you meant it is not really portable anymore because of the weight.
A paper book with 300 to 400 pages will have a weight around 300g to 400g so that is an argument against the 'missing portability'. I see plenty of small children with paper books on the subway, so this kind of 'weight class' is probably not a problem. At least in the 'real world'. :D
@@MyDeepGuide Appreciated you measured the weight and it's about same what Chalid measured at 310g. Pretty odd they get these specs wrong, maybe earlier prototypes were different.
For me not a big issue if comparing to the category of color e-ink readers like the Tab Ultra C. My old Kindle Voyage with cover is same weight so should be able to hold it bit longer than a Tab C. If you don't need color, then for sure the lighter devices are nicer to hold.
Yes, but it is not a book.It's a portable Tablet PC, which is the successor of the Nova Air 2 and Nova Air C, so it's being compared to those. Apples to apples, oranges to oranges :)
@@MyDeepGuide It's a hybrid, but mainly it's an e-ink Android tablet. And the keyboard device is missing for a 'Tablet PC'. So, it's not 'really' a Tablet PC but more of a reading device.
If you would see it as a Tablet PC, you would have to compare it with similar class. E.g. a Microsoft Surface. Which has double the weight.
So, we would have to agree to disagree about the exact specific classification. ;-)
Please don’t buy it . I bought it and it’s very slow and ghosting issues and the screen kept flashing. When I emailed customer service for return they tell you it’s normal. But n their website this tab mini c is advertising as super smooth experience. They tried everything but refused to gave me their return addresses. Until the 4 th time I ask to return and quoted the law in the uk for returning online purchases. Told them their refusal is breaking the law. I finally got it returned.
Too bad there's no waterproofing.
No SD, no pen 2, kinda not worth the price of admission.
I'm afraid the device shown isn't quite right. My Tab Mini C has no touch screen problems, and there is no color difference to the Tab Ultra C.
As for the weight - it's exactly 34g heavier than my Nova 2 and about 30g lighter than an average 400 page paperback. It depends a lot on how you hold it - for reading I even prefer it to the Leaf2; I hold it in my left hand - thumb and thumb pads in front and the rest of the fingers behind - and read in two columns in landscape format.
As for the cover - mine stank like old car tires; only a one-hour bath in vinegar and subsequent thorough washing has caused him to smell slightly of vinegar and rubber.
Well, it's a production model I received, so that's then even more worrying if you can't know what kind of a device you'll end up with.
Thank you i just ordered it 🩷 i need it for manga and comics
How do u like it so far?
It's thicker requiring a larger battery with a small factor, but long how does that _'thicker battery'_ last? If it's not very long then you have the worst of both worlds.
Less than Nova Air 1, 2 or C, so yes, worst of both worlds, thicker, heavier, shorter battery life
a price in USA shop is 450USD,
in EU is 500EUR
infact 450USD is ~400EUR
Why we (EU citizens) are ripped of so heavly?
I suppose the US price does not include VAT
I believe is because the size of the market, they buy quite a lot more than Europe! You ser this in most brands. Still a rip off. I think it includes Vat
US prices are priced without VAT. They differ from state to state, but are also missing in normal stores. Super weird as a european to see the final price only at checkout. However US is still cheaper by 20 EUR, even accounting for 20% VAT
@@HolgerNestmann thanks for that information! Yes, it is weird!
That soundtrack makes me flee! That infra-sound of a pounding heart is nauseous.