@@BuilditwithBricks bit of a late response but it's probably bc you are not pulling anything with your locomotive. with more weight and friction on other carriages, you would have to add a rack or switch to a funicuar
Thanks for the comment! A cable railway utilises a permanently attached cable to move trains and engines up a steep gradient. A funicular is also a type of cable railway but utilises two counterbalanced carriages! (This is similar to that but not quite!)
@@akaHarvesteR I know this is intended to be a joke but, there was an accident with a funicular (Kaprun disaster) in which a fan not designed for railway operation started burning. This led to many fatalities as people were trapped in a tunnel with fire. You know how the managers/engineers were able to escape punishment? Declaring that the system is not a train but an inclined elevator.
The World needs more trains with giant lethal propellers on top!!! PS - I'd call 90 degrees a fail, unless you can somehow determine that the loco is providing more climbing force than the winch.
Yeah I’m not sure what health and safety would say about the propellor! The cable railway (similar to a funicular) is a permanently attached cable / train combo used for steep gradients typically railways in mountainous regions. Thanks for the comment!
@@BuilditwithBricks Yup, I've been on plenty of cable railways, funiculars, water lifts... My point is that traction and wheel drive was the point of the experiment. In theory you could have the railway over hanging and as long as magnets held the loco con the track, the winch would pull it up... but that isn't really the loco doing tractive drive work, is it? The same could be true of 90 degrees, unless it can be measured.
@@paulosborne6517 Maybe shed unnecessary weight and use magnet - cog combo again? Less weight, means less magnetic attraction needed Also maybe add metal plate on the whole belly of locomotive, instead of magnet, as that would make it more smooth that having magnets on locomotive too
Quick note, as per real locomotives, the placement of the rods would be more effective if offset 90° from each other rather than having them be 180° as per your video. Also, the rack and pinion is something real railroads use, and the wheels below the tracks is just how roller coasters tend to work. Wonderful illustration of why each is used.
Hi thanks for the comments! I tested front wheel drive on the early models - it worked until the gradient increased, then the slightest lifting of the front wheel meant it had no traction (less compared to the rear wheel drive) and by adding weight forward of that front wheel to get it to stay in the ground effectively made it RWD! Thanks for watching!
3:44 This moment made me laugh😂😂 It's like a steam locomotive running on a thermonuclear engine!😅😂 5:32 Steam locomotive + propeller = Locomotive helicopter😊😂 8:00 Locomotive, hold on!! 😥😥
I have only one issue Connecting rods on sides are supposed to be 90° offset between right/left side, not 180° (that would be same as of they were 0° offset) In your setup, if you turn wheels 90° both rods will align and won't provide torque, as they only push/pull forward/backwards Be separating them 90° you will make sure that at least one side can push/pull the wheels
You should have tried a rack'n'pinion system where the rack is double-sided and mounted sideways, with pinions clamping into it from both sides - thus the pinions can no longer jump teeth.
I only wish that you had given the magnets another go at the end as that would have been as cool as the Treasure Island fan assisted train that you had there. Great vid’!
With 3 traction wheels,. the connection rods should be offset 90 degrees from each other, not 180. This transfers power more evently. (and mirrors a steam locomotive)
Once you add the gears to the track it kinda stops being a train as the drive wheels are entirely unnecessary at that point but any track would require a gear underneath it.
Tbh i think he couldve gotten away from the elevator comparison if there wasnt a pulley system included but i figure the rack and pinion system couldnt get enough traction, which would also explain why nothing was ever mentioned on adding it (only the guide rails and rollers)
Front wheel drive instead of adding weight to the front would have made a world of difference. The fan was also a ridiculous solution instead of simply lowering the centre of gravity
just as a point of technicality, this isn't a "train" going vertical but a locomotive going vertical. do follow up of this with the required carriages to be a proper train :P
2:36 Would've loved to see the front axle to be powered instead of four wheel drive. Instead of pushing all this weight, a smaller weight could be pulled. Eventually, this wouldn't be enough anymore and 6 wheels need to be driven for higher traction. It would be a tangent to well stretch the video a bit more.
OK so .. this is about halfway to an insane idea I had , but I'm not even close to knowing enough to modify your work ... How about having a train go all the way around a vertical facing round track? Basically, the 88 stud train track circle is standing up, and i want to be able to have a small train going around that circle. I suspect part of the problem, even beyond solving it the way this video does, would be making any sort of speed consistency between chugging up the one side of the circle vs avoiding free fall down the other side ...
I would suggest a lighter design with all the electronics, especially the battery, infront. The driving wheel for the rack and pinion could either be in the back, or perhaps also in the front, but i think the back is gonna be better as it should prevent slipping. And instead of the winch pulling the train up, you could use it like a spanner, squezeing the train against the wall. Might work without the magnets even, and wont need powered wheels (but extra points if you leave them in and properly drive all of em directly, so in the case of no rack and pinion it could still move
Instead of adding weight further forward, why not move the existing weight further forward. The battery box is the heaviest part of that so it makes more sense to make the locomotive as light as possible then position all the weight as far forwards as possible
This was ridiculously entertaining to watch! But at the 7.5 degree part, I didn’t understand what was happening. Even before you added the band, I thought the train was driven by a pair of wheels so if it wasn’t 2 wheels driving, how many drove it? And what significance did the band play?
I think your center of gravity was way too high making it want to roll backwards. the middle wheel basically did nothing because of the curve of the track. so the front wheel kept it from fully touching the rails. in some of the early tests just running it backwards could have worked due to the heavy battery pack towards the rear making it lift up it reminds me a bit of the MT. Washington cog railway with the engines tipped forwards to be level on the grade.
I never thought that fan would actually work! Colour me surprised, great job.
Yes I’m surprised it permitted such a high angle myself! Thanks!
Real
I pretty much said the exact same thing
@@BuilditwithBricks bit of a late response but it's probably bc you are not pulling anything with your locomotive. with more weight and friction on other carriages, you would have to add a rack or switch to a funicuar
There was nothing stopping it from tipping backwards. Only a small force would suffice which the fan provided
90 degrees: Its an elevator with a bunch of useless parts stuck to it
Thanks for the comment! A cable railway utilises a permanently attached cable to move trains and engines up a steep gradient. A funicular is also a type of cable railway but utilises two counterbalanced carriages! (This is similar to that but not quite!)
@@BuilditwithBricks at a 90 degree slope you dont need a rail anymore because gravity will hold your elevator in place anyways
Yeah a rack and pinion isn't really a train at that point.
@@oPlazmaMCexcept isn’t gravity literally not holding it in place because the railway is now perpendicular to gravity?
@@RaineyPeng gravity still holds it in its place because its the lowest point it can go on a cable
bro reinvented the elevator
Now this means there is a threshold angle at which elevator becomes train.
We'll need another video to pin that down.
but worse
@@akaHarvesteR I know this is intended to be a joke but, there was an accident with a funicular (Kaprun disaster) in which a fan not designed for railway operation started burning. This led to many fatalities as people were trapped in a tunnel with fire.
You know how the managers/engineers were able to escape punishment? Declaring that the system is not a train but an inclined elevator.
@@jossdeiboss wow, that turned dark quickly 😬
I think I heard of the disaster, but didn't know about that bit afterwards, that's horrible
@@akaHarvesteR Yeah, sorry for taking a dark turn. I couldn't resist LOL
The World needs more trains with giant lethal propellers on top!!!
PS - I'd call 90 degrees a fail, unless you can somehow determine that the loco is providing more climbing force than the winch.
Yeah I’m not sure what health and safety would say about the propellor! The cable railway (similar to a funicular) is a permanently attached cable / train combo used for steep gradients typically railways in mountainous regions. Thanks for the comment!
@@BuilditwithBricks Yup, I've been on plenty of cable railways, funiculars, water lifts... My point is that traction and wheel drive was the point of the experiment. In theory you could have the railway over hanging and as long as magnets held the loco con the track, the winch would pull it up... but that isn't really the loco doing tractive drive work, is it? The same could be true of 90 degrees, unless it can be measured.
@@paulosborne6517 Maybe shed unnecessary weight and use magnet - cog combo again?
Less weight, means less magnetic attraction needed
Also maybe add metal plate on the whole belly of locomotive, instead of magnet, as that would make it more smooth that having magnets on locomotive too
crazy and amazing, right???
There was a train with a propeller on once, it was called the Schienenzeppelin
We were all surprised by how far the 1 wheel drive went
Me too in all honesty! Thanks for watching !
I didn't think it would have done even half as good as it did
That fan was a really nice out of the box solution!
Thanks! It took the train to a decent angle!!
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Bro helped the human kind to merge Elevator, train and a helicopter. 😂👍
Next stop :- Moon
Thomas had never seen such physics before.
I don't know what I'm more impressed with, how far it got or the ideas you had to get it there.
Thanks for the support!
Quick note, as per real locomotives, the placement of the rods would be more effective if offset 90° from each other rather than having them be 180° as per your video. Also, the rack and pinion is something real railroads use, and the wheels below the tracks is just how roller coasters tend to work. Wonderful illustration of why each is used.
It's called a cogwheel train and there used to be one near where I live that ran in and out of the Ohio river valley!
As I understand it, it's mainly called a rack railway, and there's plenty around the world in the US, Switzerland, and other countries as well.
@@theisraelilocomotive70414 you really had to try to correct me on both points didn't you? You must be fun at parties
Congratulations on creating the most complicated elevator.
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@@Stecus2704 Word
My main takeaway from this video, how surprisingly steep fifteen degrees is.
It's really impressive for a real train to climb even 7 degrees, much less 40
This some Bad Piggies type shenanigans and I love it
5:16 I laughed so much when I saw this 😂😂😂
me too
Instead of adding more weight initially you should have been moving the battery box lower and further forward. IMHO. 🤷
Thanks for the comment! Yep there are lots of ways to move the centre of gravity! I suppose that’s what makes each designer different!
3:10 That fall😂
4:05 0-10-0 locomotive
Wheels at the start: carrying. Wheel by 70 degrees: “yeah we’re just here for moral support😂”
4:04 This makes me want to make my own railway that goes on steep hills
Best one is the propeller fan. How ingenious!
Thanks for the comment!!
amazing experiment
8:55, I can't trust in my eye, it's work at 90 degree, OMG
Now make it 100 degrees
@@Ljfarmer28-ie1fr hit me 1 sub, i gotta try to do it at 100 degree, tks for your challenge so much
i kept screaming: USE FWD!!!
100%, would've made such a difference
Hi thanks for the comments! I tested front wheel drive on the early models - it worked until the gradient increased, then the slightest lifting of the front wheel meant it had no traction (less compared to the rear wheel drive) and by adding weight forward of that front wheel to get it to stay in the ground effectively made it RWD! Thanks for watching!
RWD >>>> FWD always @@BuilditwithBricks
Love ur videos so much. you are genius 🙃love from INDIA😊
Ah thanks! I appreciate your support! Thanks for watching!
Congratulations on creating the best train
How often do you get pieces that break when vehicles fall down? I imagine that fan piece was more fragile than most other pieces
From all my builds I’ve got a growing bin full of broken bits - I’ll probably do a video showcasing them all at some stage!!
3:44 This moment made me laugh😂😂
It's like a steam locomotive running on a thermonuclear engine!😅😂
5:32 Steam locomotive + propeller = Locomotive helicopter😊😂
8:00 Locomotive, hold on!! 😥😥
Ah! I’m glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks!
Great idea with the fan.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video!
You are so crazy, man! Good job!
This is cool keep up the good videos 👌
Thanks a lot!!
I agree
4:30 for those of you who don’t know, this is how mountain engines work!
8:26 this is also how funicular railways work!
That fan actually impressed me.
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8:27 The useless Elevator 😂
Yeah, I came here to say the same thing.
He invented the elevator 😂.
Great video though.
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I have only one issue
Connecting rods on sides are supposed to be 90° offset between right/left side, not 180° (that would be same as of they were 0° offset)
In your setup, if you turn wheels 90° both rods will align and won't provide torque, as they only push/pull forward/backwards
Be separating them 90° you will make sure that at least one side can push/pull the wheels
It's so cool
Thanks so much for adding those piston rods ( I think they are called that) it makes things looks so much cooler
They are called that. But most refer to them as coupling rods.
Like i predicted, its when u start to go over ~40 degrees angle it gets really difficult. Fun experiment.
The rack and pinion changed it from train into roller coaster, then the rest was just exotic spaceship design with a train randomly included :P
Especially the rail lines are serrated like the Ambarawa and Bedono serrated lines and also in Solok, Sumatra.
if the track is arching the middle wheel pair is in no good contact at anytime.
You should have tried a rack'n'pinion system where the rack is double-sided and mounted sideways, with pinions clamping into it from both sides - thus the pinions can no longer jump teeth.
You should make a video seeing how fast you can make a Lego train go
Make the train all wheel drive
Regardless of how the trains are made to climb. Awesome video m8
Thanks for the support! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I was amazed that the fan worked as well as it did, and impressed that the magnets got it to 80 degrees. But the winch makes it not a train, IMHO.
Weird elevator at the end. :P
I only wish that you had given the magnets another go at the end as that would have been as cool as the Treasure Island fan assisted train that you had there. Great vid’!
cool vids i subscribed
cool, its on point
On Pilatusbahn (over 45 degrees) you can see side cogwheels on both side. The name of technology is "Locher rack system".
In bridgnorth there is a steep railway, it is winch powered
Side rods will make it way easier
With 3 traction wheels,. the connection rods should be offset 90 degrees from each other, not 180. This transfers power more evently. (and mirrors a steam locomotive)
With the last solution, you may have been able to go beyond 90 degrees :) Next time a train loop de loop :D
Funny you should say that…. Check out my LEGO Rollercoaster loop the loop video! There you will find an answer to your question…
@@BuilditwithBricks Indeed. Nice :)
His process of thought: If I take an elevator, add a bunch of useless bits to it and call it a train, some ppl might even believe it
Get a life man, touch grass idk@@oPlazmaMC
Once you add the gears to the track it kinda stops being a train as the drive wheels are entirely unnecessary at that point but any track would require a gear underneath it.
I would say the winch system is kinda missing a point, you could put anything with a magnet on a winch and it would go vertically
i tried using the bendable tracks to make ramps more easily but the trains keep getting stuck
Im going to try this in Satisfactory :D
At what angle is it no longer a train but an elevator?🤣🧐
Tbh i think he couldve gotten away from the elevator comparison if there wasnt a pulley system included but i figure the rack and pinion system couldnt get enough traction, which would also explain why nothing was ever mentioned on adding it (only the guide rails and rollers)
Hold on, that's a rollercoaster, not a train. That's like saying that the Orlando Harry Potter ride is a train just because it is shaped like one.
make tiny vertical trains to replace stairs in buildings!
Front wheel drive instead of adding weight to the front would have made a world of difference. The fan was also a ridiculous solution instead of simply lowering the centre of gravity
just as a point of technicality, this isn't a "train" going vertical but a locomotive going vertical. do follow up of this with the required carriages to be a proper train :P
This is how tech bros "disrupt" 😂
2:36 Would've loved to see the front axle to be powered instead of four wheel drive. Instead of pushing all this weight, a smaller weight could be pulled. Eventually, this wouldn't be enough anymore and 6 wheels need to be driven for higher traction. It would be a tangent to well stretch the video a bit more.
OK so .. this is about halfway to an insane idea I had , but I'm not even close to knowing enough to modify your work ... How about having a train go all the way around a vertical facing round track? Basically, the 88 stud train track circle is standing up, and i want to be able to have a small train going around that circle. I suspect part of the problem, even beyond solving it the way this video does, would be making any sort of speed consistency between chugging up the one side of the circle vs avoiding free fall down the other side ...
I would suggest a lighter design with all the electronics, especially the battery, infront. The driving wheel for the rack and pinion could either be in the back, or perhaps also in the front, but i think the back is gonna be better as it should prevent slipping. And instead of the winch pulling the train up, you could use it like a spanner, squezeing the train against the wall. Might work without the magnets even, and wont need powered wheels (but extra points if you leave them in and properly drive all of em directly, so in the case of no rack and pinion it could still move
i need that downforce fan train in a zombie film, and i need it yesterday
Side rods. That’s all you need.
Putting the battery in the front would help
Your lateral connection rod between wheels should be 90 deg phase and not 180 deg. Every real loco has 90 deg.
Nice job on 80K subs:DDDDD
Thanks! 😁
Next video: can a Lego train go upside down?
Instead of adding weight further forward, why not move the existing weight further forward. The battery box is the heaviest part of that so it makes more sense to make the locomotive as light as possible then position all the weight as far forwards as possible
Move the power to the front. FWD has a better chance of gripping power and doesn’t make the train flip backwards as much
The pain that this poor engine is trying to do all of this without coupling rods
And there you go, you've created the Class 08 shunter
Is the last one even a train?
3:20 rods useless (unless only one pare is driven like in 4:15)
Now make a tender engine do it
3:17 HE FINALLY ADDED THE CRANKSHAFT
FRrR
What's a crankshaft?
@@atiniahidayah9841 .
@@atiniahidayah9841 the little bar on the wheels
This was ridiculously entertaining to watch!
But at the 7.5 degree part, I didn’t understand what was happening. Even before you added the band, I thought the train was driven by a pair of wheels so if it wasn’t 2 wheels driving, how many drove it? And what significance did the band play?
The band adds friction between the wheels and the track, thus increasing the ability to climb steeper inclines. Thanks for watching!
I think your center of gravity was way too high making it want to roll backwards.
the middle wheel basically did nothing because of the curve of the track. so the front wheel kept it from fully touching the rails.
in some of the early tests just running it backwards could have worked due to the heavy battery pack towards the rear making it lift up
it reminds me a bit of the MT. Washington cog railway with the engines tipped forwards to be level on the grade.
Bro called a frikin’ elevator a vertical train. War crime for the least efficient energy usage.
Anyone else going crazy over the fact that if the driven wheels were at the front he wouldn't have to keep adding weight
I feel like as soon as we added the teeth to the track everything after that was a fail.
new reason for a third rail on trains!
Fun fact: 2.5 degrees is steep than what is considered mountain-grade for railroads.
4:04 just like snowdon railway.
yeah, btw i know what the snowdon railway is lol
Yea
I think I can. I think I can. I think I can.
Does the winch system actually count as the train moving uphill or a train being towed uphill?
Wouldn't putting the drive wheels/gears at the front work,, as it would pull the train and be less likely to wheelie and fall off?
I can't believe that fan one worked.
When you put on that downforce fan, I immediately saw some Bad Piggies flashbacks
its like The Peak Tram
This L.E.G.O. train will explore the moon gradually when it is a explorer !
이 L.E.G.O. 열차는 달이 탐험가가 되면 서서히 탐사하게 됩니다 !
So plastic have less friction than steel.. quite.a bot so
For making more drive wheels I thought you would attach a bar instead of gear driven