On the Cadia point.. In Dark Tide during character creation, if you're playing the guardsman and select Cadia as your homeworld, the game actually just shows a debris field instead of a planet.
I absolutely love that as a world building point because it establishes instantly that the game takes place post turn of the millennium and after the 13th black crusade, but also soon enough that you have normal human people (who are low enough on the totem pole that there's no way they have access to anything life extending) who lived through the fall of cadia as playable characters. Instantly without an explicit date you know the game probably takes place at most like 30-40 years afterwards. the destruction of cadia and the great rift are fresh in everyone's minds still, primaris marines are brand new, etc.
It snapped me out of my staring into the distance and broke my brain for a full second. I had to go back and re listen to it to make sure I heard him right lol
For me, 40K pulls that deep part of my primal curiosity. I _was_ that person that kept asking questions about "why this, why that". And to be fair, my childhood was _full_ of that. "Oh, you like these multicolored Lego robots that you can build and play with? Here's a bunch of books, comics, and online games about why they exist."
@@Dracobyteunfortunately (or fortunately depending on your biases) Cadians have a bunch of New Cadias around. TSons can't exactly make new Rubric Marines. They're all originally part of the OG Legion. Each time an old one dies they just resculpt a new armour suit and drag the soul fragments and dust of the "dead" marine into that suit.
The fact that people outside US, UK, Canada, Japan or some countries in Europea can not even regularly afford to buy ONE 40k miniature should tell you that the tabletop Game is no longer the dominante way to get intro the franchise. Great podcast and great guest!
Well we live in a world where going out to places just to socialize is a becoming a rare event for a lot of kids who grew up with a UA-cam and TikTok on their faces. Going to a hobby shop to play games was already a crapshoot whether the local garbage man decided to take a bath today or not, imagine the kids who will go there and have little or false idea of publicly acceptable behavior. Nah, just stick to the games and online tabletop simulators.
@@janematthews9087 it's expensive yes but i'm in mexico and I have around 8 armies between me and my wife, and there's a decently big community here, the minis are the hobby, the minis are the game, the minis are the main thing.
Bro imagine an Aliens game, but you play as a lictor/genestealer! Crawling through vents, kidnapping guards and probing their mind, evolving and creating a cult
When they said "You couldn't really do a game as a 'nid" my mind IMMEDIATELY went to playing like Assassin's Creed, but you're a Lictor. Tbh though Lictors are kinda enormous, so if you want to be able to fight human sized targets, you've probably got to downgrade that to a Genestealer. Or maybe a Genestealer Cultist, so you can pass as human too. Oh god, I brought it back to "playing as a human" again, JUST GIVE US MORE XENOS GAMES PLEASSSSEEEEEE.
A genestealer cult simulator would be lit where you initially play as a lone genestealer, grow to be a patriarch, micromanage your troops as decades go by and occasionally personally doing mission to ruin the local authorities.
I was introduced to 40K specifically through lore. No tabletop, no 40K games as a kid, Just saw this massively intricate fictional universe and was hooked.
Same here. One of my buddies just started explaining stuff to me during a five hour car ride. That was a year ago, and now I've read at least a dozen books, own a bunch of the video games, and am tentatively considering the tabletop.
Same. When I was in the Air Force a dude I was posted with on shift basically said, “You’re really into sci-fi, have you ever heard of Warhammer?” and that was that.
@@TacticalReaper56don’t like some of his takes but yeah always a good time listening to him. I wish he got Woolie on this episode. Hope he plays space marine 2 with Pat.
@@derpstick5467 Not liking a full third of Pat's takes is really just being on brand at this point. There's a reason why one of his biggest running jokes is a bit called Crazy Talk. Pat is either the most correct person on the planet or giving you nose bleeds with his sheer insanity. He's upsettingly Tzeentchian for someone named AngriestPat but that somehow just wraps back around to making sense for a Tzeentch follower trying to pull one over on you
@@Pragabond I really just don’t like his takes on Rockstar, yes I know they can be a shit company especially after seeing posts about how they’re making it impossible for Linux and Steam Deck users (which has a version of linux as it’s OS) to play GTA online, that’s the latest shitty thing they’ve done but i still like their games, I can’t help it.
Bricky, if you are going to make an introduction to the tabletop, may I come with a suggestion: Make some videos that emphasizes ways to play it in the most down to earth chill version ever. In other words: Only rules, and with substitutes for models! A big dealbreaker is often: You need an army of models, you must paint them, yada yada, and you (or I) get exhausted before I have even attempted to play the game. Make it light hearted, don't focus on the barriers, focus on the gameplay. All you really need is to know the rules well enough, and also a handful of dice. Substitutes for models can be bottle caps, other plastic figures, and substitutes for terrain can be books or any kind of things you have lying around. This doesn't apply if you want to talk about going to tournaments, but I feel like it's a point I rarely see.
Some additional Game ideas that I think would sell: Ork Rougelite game where you progress and loot/salvage different upgrades across a Hivecity/Mechanicus forge world. Each time you die you’re just a new Nob who got promoted because your old Nob died. Hive City Sim, where you start off on a new colony world just after the HH and build and develop your word over the course of millennia, trade deals, Mechanicus intrigue, raising guard regiments, chaos cults, Xenos influence, family drama, mutations, Invasions, Inquisition reviews- the possibilities are endless! Chaos/ Genestealer Cult Sim, building up your cult on a world, different trees for increasing different areas such as the Nobility, Normal Civilians, Under hive gangs, Mechanicus outpost/research and the like when the final part is to summon your Dark Master/ Hive Fleet and try and keep control until they get there!
I have similar ideas about your Chaos/Genestealer game. I visualized it as a deck-building title where the cards in your hand determine your actions on each turn.
I love how Pat has this massive elaboration of GW's business model on how all the multi-media properties are just a marketing tool for the miniatures like it's this bizarre anomaly as if Japan hasn't been using this exact business model for at least 50 different toy lines for like 50 years at this point lmao
Space elf Waifus, A robotic kleptomaniac, multiple Doomguy characters, boopable explosive toads, a gundum with a vampire sword, and a 14ft cuddly Jamaican pyromaniac?
Loved having Pat on, this was a great episode. My Warhammer origin story is simple: I encountered it during late elementary/high school TV Tropes scrolling on pages I liked to frequent, and at some point I saw the Angry Marines comic. You know the one. Casual interest without engagement continued from there until I found Adeptus Ridiculous some time after its first anniversary. Then I bought the first Space Marine game, already being aware of its reputation (before AdRic I had also bought Deathwing, but I understandably just played it once). I haven't bought anything else in the franchise, but I have listened to days of lore by this point, and I am content with my long-distance relationship with Warhammer Fantasy and 40K.
Talking about the Burial World in SM2, there’s a data pad on the level where you here that like 9 Trillion people are buried there, which is another wonderful thing showing just how vast the Imperium is.
Id pledge my self to dark powers for a game like this, it could be so fun, the special hero units would be like playing a battle sister or a commisar or like a ogryn the opposing chaos force would get idk a khorn berserker or some stuff along those lines
I call it the Transformers effect. Like the original Truck Robot toy that would become Optimus Prime was a cool toy but only reason why Optimus prime is a Cultural icon is because of how that toy was characterized.
Just weird toys from Japan that they wrote stories for to try to get kids to buy them but ended up having deep emotional stories that still resonate with people today.
My very first brush with 40K was now many years ago because of TotalBisquit and his review of the original Space Marine game. I also watched the campaign of Dark Heresy that he was a part of but I did not really get into the subject matter for real until a couple of years ago. I started out with Sororitas novels, looked up the lore, read Horus Rising and it pretty much spiralled from there.
For anyone wondering. I'm not here to fuck spiders means to you don't want to stand around and do nothing in dingo-speak. Basically it's supposed to mean that if you stand around and do nothing, spiders will eventually start building a web on you, and eventually you have to go home and ruin that work then did. This fact brought to you by a fan of HP Lovecraft's drunken cat.
47:29 The two games I want from 40k are A Halo: Reach style game about either scions or gangers in a genestealer infested hive city slowly getting picked off one by one as they try to escape And A psychological horror game with the EXACT gameplay of space marine, but you're playing as a blood angel durring the devistation of baal and falling to the rage
Between Trazyn, Vect, Rakarth, Lelith and the Drukhari, Motley and the Harlequins, Lucius, Erebus, Eldrad and the Farseers, the Thunder Warriors, Sly Marbo, Draigo, Maugan Ra, Cain, Nemesor Zahndrekh, and the orks in general; I am convinced a part of this universe and its lore is just Jackass 40k edition. ….And I *LOVE* every second of it!
I now imagine all of them on a Drukhari skiff in a hive city with the Changling loudly saying “Hi, I’m tge Changling of Tzeentch; and Welcome to Jackass!” Before crashing through a cathedral window crushing the ecclesiarch in the middle of mass or them running from a herd of angry Groxes.
Lol lol have that soritas on the front lines with the guardsmen and i guarantee the guard will never have a morale issue ever again. The commissariat thanks you for this
Regarding the normal guy with a sword vs everything, one talent description of Volkmar the Grim from TW:WH3 has probably my favourite flavour text: Mere Mortal Men! "But can all the horrors of the world kill these mere mortals?"
40k fighting game? I mean there are 18 primarchs as starting characters, add Valdor, The Emperor and maybe Malcador to the roster as DLCs and you have a decent fighting game.
The 2 missing primarchs can be your custom characters you make, and the hidden characters you unlock can be Ollanius Pius and Omegon who is no different from Alpharius… Or is it?…
I'd at least one fighter from every faction a well like the phinx lords, commander farsight, trazyn, gazgul, and even stuff like vashtorr, be'lakor and the swarmlord if they can use big characters
6:18 Pat's special power took zero time to activate. Because for all their quirks, those games were pretty darn good. Especially their overall campaign structure of a mercenary band's adventure. In fact a game with a more robust budget building on those ideas and bringing more factions into play (or even eclectic forces fitting for a true dogs of war experience) would make a killing.
ok so hear me out for a warhammer 40k game; what if dishonored was multi-player PVP objective base team game.. Inquisition vs cultist openworld PVP action-stealth game, set in hive world. Cultist objective collect objective for chaos ritual while remaining undetected / while the Inquisition agents look for evidence, try to set ambushes at suspect locations and try and prevent the cultist from enacting their chaos Ritual...
I actually just bought my first starter kit for the table top. Huge thanks to you guys for helping me understand the lore and getting me more into the game!
For me the Pipeline was from 40k Lore and this podcast into Kill Team since it's very simplified 40k gameplay and it's a lot more digestible to play compared to full on 40k. Also, I would kill for the Moonbreaker guys to adapt Kill Team into a video game, cuz it's similar in scale to Moonbreaker with rosters that are like 15 at most and a lot of the flow is relatively similar.
The thing that got me into Warhammer was imperial knights. No joke, my first time playing 40k was at a demo table at a con a long time ago. And I saw that they have an imperial knight, and immediately fell soul connected to it (but they only let me play marines unfortunately) But I love my giant knight mechs, and I am now getting into some imperial fists. I still don't have my own models, but I would be proud to be a knight pilot, or an imperial fist marine
I first encountered 40k after hearing about the origins of Starcraft, but then started my slide properly with TotalBiscuit's original Space Marine video
As someone who’s finally getting around to buying and painting minis after years of consuming lore and playing the games I would love Ad Ric or Bricky to do an introduction to the 40K Hobby. Have it be the rules of the minis, what army to choose, what models to buy. How to build and paint them. Right now I’m looking at getting into space marines, I wanted to play deathwatch but they are no longer an army as of recently so now it’s trying to figure out what space marines actually do - what all the words mean etc. Having one video or a short series of them explaining all of this would help a ton!
While DK's romcom comment now makes me want a romcom school life novel/comic based in the Scholar Progenia or whatever school for commissars and scions. We all know the original romcom in 40k come from Amber Vale and Ciaphas Cain, Gazkulthraka and Yarrick's tension comes in close second.
I have spent too much time planning out a sequel involving Kais wielding a railgun carbine, fusion blade, and lots of Khorne demons despite my complete lack of experience in game development
I'm one of the people who discovered 40k as a result of star wars constantly kicking me in the nuts and telling me to like it. I was desperate to escape the apathy, so i tried Boltgun, bought some minis and now i tune in for every one of your videos and i can say without a doubt that warhammer has given me far more enjoyment.
Bricky you might want to add advertisements for Adeptus Ridiculous to your faction and timeline videos. I’ve watched a few reactions to them and they almost always want more information on something from them.
Bricky is 100% right i have a first born squad leader who killed a bloodthirster back in 4th edition at my local games workshop to this day he is my only named generic space marine i even free hand painted the laurels of victory around his head
My warhammer origin story is...... kinda vague. My dad wasn't into warhammer specifically, but he always moved in the older board/wargaming community, bought and sold stuff, and had a few boxes with space marines and titans on them lying around. He even had a couple of nearly-complete Epic-scale titans of various kinds, eldar, ork, and I THINK a really old weird design of Warhound or something. There were a couple of moments that actually got ME into the hobby though, one of which being when I saw a squad of Hormagaunts when we were in a wargames shop one time and the design stayed with me so hard that I decided I HAD to find out what they were. I've been a simp for Norn Queens ever since.
With the Horus Heresy, the first 5 books are tied together pretty closely. After that you can jump around all over the place and pretty much just read the books of your favorite Legion.
I got my start in Warhammer because of Bricky. I was watching his videos when every faction explained came out and it immediately hooked me and haven't missed an episode of adric or brickys lore
For warhammer games not imperium focused, have one where you play as a eldar aspect warrior and the gameplay is very much metal gear rising inspired. Like mash buttons to chop a space marine to 20 pieces and use a psychic blast to blow the shrapnel pieces at the other marine.
Somehow I can imagine bigots calling it woke because their precious space marines are getting mogged. But also it won't happen unfortunately. Xenos doesn't get that much love, but perhaps now that GW is getting braver and more susceptible to change, we can finally stop seeing Imperium dominance everywhere. Age of Sigmar does a good job at balancing their factions + respective lores. If only 40k could have that.
If you want to give people an easy route to get into the table top, make an in depth episode of deathwatch. Because controlling a huge army and painting all of them is a bit much, but with death watch you can focus on just one or a few dudes to paint and create a backstory for.
Yes! Thank you Pat! I enjoyed FireWarrior for what it was and I want another game from the Tau perspective. They allow the viewer to see the horror of the Imperium. To view humanity as the alien.
check out the continuation of Pariah Nexus on Warhammer+ called Tithes. The second episode has a Sister of Silence (She does BSL) & the FIRST female Custodes. By the way, I love the portrayal of the female Custodes... she kicks ass in it.
I admit I'm a lame 40k fan. I transplanted from Star Wars I think around the pandemic, because I was just so fucking sick of the Sequels, and I had given up hope of getting a whole show about the Clone Wars with the darker tone of Umbara, and with the Seperatists given the same level of menace and effectiveness they had on Dathomir. Instead, I found Russian Badger's video on Space Marine 1, and realized that Warhammer was much more up my alley in brutality and overall theming than Star Wars.
hell yea. They're both Space Fantasy settings too. They're not hard sci-fi, and people who think the lore is limited in any way by real life bs hasn't gotten into a "is it grimdark or grimderp" discussion concerning Imperial Navy ships using manual human labour to load shells instead of just using goddamned autoloaders.
@@Sercotani Tau win by pure efficiency, not by better tech which the imperium has but we use it so improperly that it's sad. This is the future so why are the mechanicus using binary instead of quantum bits? Tragic comedy setting is what I see. Cheers ☕
Sounds like you just weren't into Star Wars at all, given you don't seem to like the more lightheartedness and noblebrightness of that universe to begin with.
I got into Warhammer when I was about 10 or 11, my best friend growing up was into it, really into Chaos👹👾💀😈 That was late 90's and now im my son is 11 and is named after that friend😂
>has pat over
>new dwarf poster
Coincidence? I think not!
i mean if you combine the bottom two dwarfs too you'd get pat
it's all coming together
they should find a way to work in the book of grudges!
I'm glad for Pat being able to finally turn himself into a severed head in a jar, I know he's been wanting that for a while now
It probably made him a bit taller now that he's gotten rid of the baby legs for metal ones.
It's not quite a toilet, but it's a step in the right direction toward immortality
Forsake baby legs, embarace the Machine God.
Who in his right mind does not?
He can finally be truly clean.
On the Cadia point..
In Dark Tide during character creation, if you're playing the guardsman and select Cadia as your homeworld, the game actually just shows a debris field instead of a planet.
Cadia stands... in pieces.
I absolutely love that as a world building point because it establishes instantly that the game takes place post turn of the millennium and after the 13th black crusade, but also soon enough that you have normal human people (who are low enough on the totem pole that there's no way they have access to anything life extending) who lived through the fall of cadia as playable characters. Instantly without an explicit date you know the game probably takes place at most like 30-40 years afterwards. the destruction of cadia and the great rift are fresh in everyone's minds still, primaris marines are brand new, etc.
@@burnin8ableIts even cooler because sometimes characters reference Guillimans return
@@KraniumZzZz yeah! that would be big news and super recent in the timeline for these normal human folks.
@KraniumZzZz And also pronounce his name as "Gool-ee-mon"
Who doesn't like super soldier with power armor and gun that goes 'Boom.' Oh no, are we Ork? Dakka dakka dakka?
If you want Dakka Dakka Dakka game I recomend Shootas, Blood and Teef because it is Metal Slug / Castle Crashers with Orks.
Best comment 😂
Game Journalists and the so called twitter "weirdos"? 🗿
@@setiem13 You mean grifters?
Don't you know? There gave always been Ork Custodes. Or as I like to call them Ork-stodes
Pat's mic drop at the end nearly caused a car crash for me
The distinction between "freaks" and "weirdos" is immediate.
He's spittin though.
@@daedlus1220 Freak (complimentary) versus weirdo (derogatory) is a very clear distinction.
It snapped me out of my staring into the distance and broke my brain for a full second. I had to go back and re listen to it to make sure I heard him right lol
He's not wrong.
The freaks should just admit that they are compelled by the "step on me muscle mommy" thing and they would win.
I'd kill for a spore like game where you a single tyranid cell multiplying to a hive fleet.
The 'spore' formula of small to big could be done for quite a few things. Could even go the route of a nanomachine up to slowly wake up a tomb world.
I would love this
I'd hide the body for a game like that.
Or Carrion (My wayward son).
Maybe an Orca v Tyranids game where you both expand your numbers from small squads to entire planet-loads of bodies. I think it's even canon!
For me, 40K pulls that deep part of my primal curiosity. I _was_ that person that kept asking questions about "why this, why that".
And to be fair, my childhood was _full_ of that. "Oh, you like these multicolored Lego robots that you can build and play with? Here's a bunch of books, comics, and online games about why they exist."
These LEGO look really weird. Guess what? They are called Bionicle and lived in the Mata Nui Island.
This is one of the most Autism-coded ass comments I've seen in a while
@@Dracobytelego had the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever
Dreadnoughts and fat asses are two of my favorite things after all
There's a dreadnaughty pun here somewhere that I don't have the energy to make something clever out of...
Yoo same
Some Dreadnought: Brother tech marine I am trying to sneak up on the enemy, but the sound of my ironclad ass cheeks keeps alerting the them!
Doge van dyre: sisters of cake are my fav too
🎶These are a few of my favorite thiiiings🎶
Pat is so good at bluntly explaining complex patterns and habits in a simple way that anyone can understand
He does have some sort of psychology degree, I forget what but he is knowledgeable in that field
"What's Cadia?"
"Nothing anymore."
*angry Cadian noises in the background*
"All is dust"
- The one thing Cadians and Thousand Sons have in common.
@@Dracobyteunfortunately (or fortunately depending on your biases) Cadians have a bunch of New Cadias around.
TSons can't exactly make new Rubric Marines. They're all originally part of the OG Legion. Each time an old one dies they just resculpt a new armour suit and drag the soul fragments and dust of the "dead" marine into that suit.
The fact that people outside US, UK, Canada, Japan or some countries in Europea can not even regularly afford to buy ONE 40k miniature should tell you that the tabletop Game is no longer the dominante way to get intro the franchise.
Great podcast and great guest!
The price and just table top in general being more niche is a barrier of entry that make the games the far more popular entry point.
Even then, the tabletop is still very niche. Not everyone has the time and place to play it.
Well we live in a world where going out to places just to socialize is a becoming a rare event for a lot of kids who grew up with a UA-cam and TikTok on their faces.
Going to a hobby shop to play games was already a crapshoot whether the local garbage man decided to take a bath today or not, imagine the kids who will go there and have little or false idea of publicly acceptable behavior.
Nah, just stick to the games and online tabletop simulators.
@@janematthews9087 it's expensive yes but i'm in mexico and I have around 8 armies between me and my wife, and there's a decently big community here, the minis are the hobby, the minis are the game, the minis are the main thing.
@@TheLofren ¿Dónde compraste tus minis? ¿Eres del norte?
Bro imagine an Aliens game, but you play as a lictor/genestealer! Crawling through vents, kidnapping guards and probing their mind, evolving and creating a cult
When they said "You couldn't really do a game as a 'nid" my mind IMMEDIATELY went to playing like Assassin's Creed, but you're a Lictor. Tbh though Lictors are kinda enormous, so if you want to be able to fight human sized targets, you've probably got to downgrade that to a Genestealer. Or maybe a Genestealer Cultist, so you can pass as human too.
Oh god, I brought it back to "playing as a human" again, JUST GIVE US MORE XENOS GAMES PLEASSSSEEEEEE.
A Nid game seems like it's be a rouge like where you're expected to die eventually and restart from the beginning
A genestealer cult simulator would be lit where you initially play as a lone genestealer, grow to be a patriarch, micromanage your troops as decades go by and occasionally personally doing mission to ruin the local authorities.
@vegladex you could play as a leaper. they're small and weaker than lictor's but it could still work
@@thefanciesttortoise557 Oh of course, good call! I would scream if they insisted on calling them "Von Ryan's" every time though.
Thank you Pat for those closing words
I was introduced to 40K specifically through lore. No tabletop, no 40K games as a kid, Just saw this massively intricate fictional universe and was hooked.
Same here. One of my buddies just started explaining stuff to me during a five hour car ride. That was a year ago, and now I've read at least a dozen books, own a bunch of the video games, and am tentatively considering the tabletop.
@ArchangelAzriel1223 I'm currently building a 1000pt army not out of official GW minis, but out of custom 40K Not-Legos, so much cheaper.
Same. When I was in the Air Force a dude I was posted with on shift basically said, “You’re really into sci-fi, have you ever heard of Warhammer?” and that was that.
Nice to see Crazy Talk get out once in awhile. Love his solo stuff. All of them tbh. But those were the days.
I mean he has a weekly podcast with Woolie
@@SwagBroPlays i know. Just out with other creators. Pats fun
@@TacticalReaper56don’t like some of his takes but yeah always a good time listening to him. I wish he got Woolie on this episode. Hope he plays space marine 2 with Pat.
@@derpstick5467 Not liking a full third of Pat's takes is really just being on brand at this point. There's a reason why one of his biggest running jokes is a bit called Crazy Talk. Pat is either the most correct person on the planet or giving you nose bleeds with his sheer insanity.
He's upsettingly Tzeentchian for someone named AngriestPat but that somehow just wraps back around to making sense for a Tzeentch follower trying to pull one over on you
@@Pragabond I really just don’t like his takes on Rockstar, yes I know they can be a shit company especially after seeing posts about how they’re making it impossible for Linux and Steam Deck users (which has a version of linux as it’s OS) to play GTA online, that’s the latest shitty thing they’ve done but i still like their games, I can’t help it.
>mentions romcom
>the infinite and the divine appears on the backdrop
i see you
"... And the freaks would help fight the weirdos"
Makes ya proud to be on the internet
... for once.
1:09:58 I love how Pat's last comment comes off in a way you know exactly who the "freaks" are and who the "weirdos" are and how they are different.
Let them Fight
Maan the pain when one of the weirdo videos get recommended...
"hEnRy cAvIlLe jOiNs wAr aGaInSt aMaZoN aNd wOkE aGeNdA-".....eww
@@DjaffOfficial MASS EXODUS WARHAMMER FAND REJECT GAMES WORKSHOP'S WOKE CUSTODES HENRY CAVILL CANCELS SPACE MARINE 2
@@DjaffOfficialah, that shit
The fact that you made Pat’s dream reality by ridding him if the weakness of his flesh, is too damn good hah
Good attention to detail of Pat being a head in a robot body. He talked about hating having to excrete waste as he finds it disgusting.
“From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me.”
Pat would 100% join the Cult Mechanicus just so he could focus less on eating and shitting and more on gaming and yelling at people
Only part they missed was the toilet bit
Bricky, if you are going to make an introduction to the tabletop, may I come with a suggestion:
Make some videos that emphasizes ways to play it in the most down to earth chill version ever. In other words: Only rules, and with substitutes for models!
A big dealbreaker is often: You need an army of models, you must paint them, yada yada, and you (or I) get exhausted before I have even attempted to play the game. Make it light hearted, don't focus on the barriers, focus on the gameplay. All you really need is to know the rules well enough, and also a handful of dice.
Substitutes for models can be bottle caps, other plastic figures, and substitutes for terrain can be books or any kind of things you have lying around.
This doesn't apply if you want to talk about going to tournaments, but I feel like it's a point I rarely see.
Speaking of virtual 40k: you can actually find a table and armies on table top sim. So you could in theory go full on simulating a table top
Some additional Game ideas that I think would sell:
Ork Rougelite game where you progress and loot/salvage different upgrades across a Hivecity/Mechanicus forge world. Each time you die you’re just a new Nob who got promoted because your old Nob died.
Hive City Sim, where you start off on a new colony world just after the HH and build and develop your word over the course of millennia, trade deals, Mechanicus intrigue, raising guard regiments, chaos cults, Xenos influence, family drama, mutations, Invasions, Inquisition reviews- the possibilities are endless!
Chaos/ Genestealer Cult Sim, building up your cult on a world, different trees for increasing different areas such as the Nobility, Normal Civilians, Under hive gangs, Mechanicus outpost/research and the like when the final part is to summon your Dark Master/ Hive Fleet and try and keep control until they get there!
I have similar ideas about your Chaos/Genestealer game. I visualized it as a deck-building title where the cards in your hand determine your actions on each turn.
I also want an Eldar Game in the same way Banner Saga / Oregon Trailer was.
I had an idea years ago for Tyranid plague Inc.
A Natural Selection style game, but with Nids.
Game like Alien: Isolation where you're a guardman on a ship with a genestealer and trying to survive
I love how Pat has this massive elaboration of GW's business model on how all the multi-media properties are just a marketing tool for the miniatures like it's this bizarre anomaly as if Japan hasn't been using this exact business model for at least 50 different toy lines for like 50 years at this point lmao
Like Gundam?
holy shit i thought i was the only one, typed up a long comment just for bricky and DK to be like omg you're right we're so unique and this is WHY!
@@Dracobyte Gundam, pokemon, Yugioh, transformers, bayblade and a dozen other anime from the early 2000s. but yeah you get the idea.
How Transformers became a thing
Yeah, it's pretty much now the adult modern day version for the toys sold for Saturday morning cartoons, but made increasingly more expensive
Dreadnoughts and “well build” murder nun zealots, and Orkz… what more can we ask for?
Big titty Eldar waifus, a robotic kleptomaniac, and a 14ft cuddly Jamaican pyromaniac?
Space elf Waifus, A robotic kleptomaniac, multiple Doomguy characters, boopable explosive toads, a gundum with a vampire sword, and a 14ft cuddly Jamaican pyromaniac?
How could I have forgotten about “Boop the Snoot?”
Moar Dakka, there's always room for moar dakka!
@@khylerbane4523 Do not boop that merry suicide bomber!
Loved having Pat on, this was a great episode. My Warhammer origin story is simple: I encountered it during late elementary/high school TV Tropes scrolling on pages I liked to frequent, and at some point I saw the Angry Marines comic. You know the one. Casual interest without engagement continued from there until I found Adeptus Ridiculous some time after its first anniversary. Then I bought the first Space Marine game, already being aware of its reputation (before AdRic I had also bought Deathwing, but I understandably just played it once). I haven't bought anything else in the franchise, but I have listened to days of lore by this point, and I am content with my long-distance relationship with Warhammer Fantasy and 40K.
Same here, although I dont think it was the Angry Marines but a bunch of short stories on 1d4chan. I still remember "Son of a Woodsman". Classic.
Pat's words of wisdom at the end were immaculate, so true
Yoooo all we need is woolie and we could have a castle adeptus beastious.
Yes please
God, I so badly want an Adepta Sororitas spin on Space Marine's gameplay.
I too want the drop pod to be a whole cathedral.
Absolutely yes. A first person VR game doesn’t do it for me
I'd love a fromsoft style soroitas game
Now that you've gotten Pat on here, you have to get Plague of Gripes.
This plasma pistol got me movin like a genestealer uprising
Talking about the Burial World in SM2, there’s a data pad on the level where you here that like 9 Trillion people are buried there, which is another wonderful thing showing just how vast the Imperium is.
I mean that dude is definitely going through Tzeenchian corruption, so his exact count is probably a little off.
Tzeentch's divine number is 9, could be why he chose that burial world in the first place
I'm always here for Bricky's love for Andor
Okay, hear me out:
Star wars Battlefront, but 40k.
For a moment I confused that game's name with SW Battlegrounds, which was basically Age of Empires 2 with a SW skin over it.
Sabbat worlds crusade so it's be guard vs blood pact
I do you one better
Warno, but 40k
Id pledge my self to dark powers for a game like this, it could be so fun, the special hero units would be like playing a battle sister or a commisar or like a ogryn the opposing chaos force would get idk a khorn berserker or some stuff along those lines
@@SabeSilver what is warno?
I call it the Transformers effect. Like the original Truck Robot toy that would become Optimus Prime was a cool toy but only reason why Optimus prime is a Cultural icon is because of how that toy was characterized.
Fellow Transformers fan here. That's an excellent way of putting it.
Just weird toys from Japan that they wrote stories for to try to get kids to buy them but ended up having deep emotional stories that still resonate with people today.
Curse of the horned Rat has an absolute banger OST. Perfect to play in a DnD game.
My very first brush with 40K was now many years ago because of TotalBisquit and his review of the original Space Marine game. I also watched the campaign of Dark Heresy that he was a part of but I did not really get into the subject matter for real until a couple of years ago. I started out with Sororitas novels, looked up the lore, read Horus Rising and it pretty much spiralled from there.
Totalbiscuit got a special mention in the Space Marine 2 credits.
TB was also my intro to Warhammer, but was because of his video about Blood Bowl
For anyone wondering.
I'm not here to fuck spiders means to you don't want to stand around and do nothing in dingo-speak.
Basically it's supposed to mean that if you stand around and do nothing, spiders will eventually start building a web on you, and eventually you have to go home and ruin that work then did.
This fact brought to you by a fan of HP Lovecraft's drunken cat.
Oh snap it’s Pat
31:30 this is so true, the knight goes so hard like that is why melee is honourable (it's the same reason martials are fun in ttrpgs).
47:29
The two games I want from 40k are
A Halo: Reach style game about either scions or gangers in a genestealer infested hive city slowly getting picked off one by one as they try to escape
And
A psychological horror game with the EXACT gameplay of space marine, but you're playing as a blood angel durring the devistation of baal and falling to the rage
I'm unreasonably excited that Pat is back
AMAZING video. Made up for the last one. 😏 Seriously, though, Pat was a joy, and you boys brought your A game. 💪
Between Trazyn, Vect, Rakarth, Lelith and the Drukhari, Motley and the Harlequins, Lucius, Erebus, Eldrad and the Farseers, the Thunder Warriors, Sly Marbo, Draigo, Maugan Ra, Cain, Nemesor Zahndrekh, and the orks in general; I am convinced a part of this universe and its lore is just Jackass 40k edition.
….And I *LOVE* every second of it!
I now imagine all of them on a Drukhari skiff in a hive city with the Changling loudly saying “Hi, I’m tge Changling of Tzeentch; and Welcome to Jackass!” Before crashing through a cathedral window crushing the ecclesiarch in the middle of mass or them running from a herd of angry Groxes.
It would be nice to have some of these characters in a 40k fighting game.
Hey inferior lifeforms, my name is Trazyn the Infinite and today I'm going to be stealing a whole fucking warzone. Welcome to Jackass!
Lord, Motley is such a funny little guy
Lol lol have that soritas on the front lines with the guardsmen and i guarantee the guard will never have a morale issue ever again. The commissariat thanks you for this
Not just the guardsmen, but the guardswomen too! (Theyre all lesbians)
It would be cool to have a Sororitas game similar to Chaosgate: Daemonhunters.
That "I'm still standing" song was made a while ago. It popped up for me when I had my imstill standing Playlist
YAY PATS BACK I MISS PAT DUDE IS FUNNY. And while talking to him its like he gets you and thr conversation qnd doesnt deviate off topic
Regarding the normal guy with a sword vs everything, one talent description of Volkmar the Grim from TW:WH3 has probably my favourite flavour text:
Mere Mortal Men! "But can all the horrors of the world kill these mere mortals?"
Adeptus Ridiculous featuring Just a Little Guy
I remember how I got into 40k. In the 1990s, I won a copy of the Epic 40k from a contest in an AOL chat room.
40k fighting game? I mean there are 18 primarchs as starting characters, add Valdor, The Emperor and maybe Malcador to the roster as DLCs and you have a decent fighting game.
And give the license to Arc System Works.
Russ with the most high flying wrestler moves.
@@sessy01 his crown move: "The back breaker"
The 2 missing primarchs can be your custom characters you make, and the hidden characters you unlock can be Ollanius Pius and Omegon who is no different from Alpharius…
Or is it?…
I'd at least one fighter from every faction a well like the phinx lords, commander farsight, trazyn, gazgul, and even stuff like vashtorr, be'lakor and the swarmlord if they can use big characters
No, Dorn asked what the color scheme for the lost Legions were, and upon remembering them "OH GOD, THEY LOOK LIKE CONCORD CHARACTERS!"
I got into 40K through WesHammer and his shorts, eventually growing to listening to him, adeptus ridiculous and other podcasts while I work.
6:18 Pat's special power took zero time to activate.
Because for all their quirks, those games were pretty darn good. Especially their overall campaign structure of a mercenary band's adventure.
In fact a game with a more robust budget building on those ideas and bringing more factions into play (or even eclectic forces fitting for a true dogs of war experience) would make a killing.
ok so hear me out for a warhammer 40k game; what if dishonored was multi-player PVP objective base team game.. Inquisition vs cultist openworld PVP action-stealth game, set in hive world. Cultist objective collect objective for chaos ritual while remaining undetected / while the Inquisition agents look for evidence, try to set ambushes at suspect locations and try and prevent the cultist from enacting their chaos Ritual...
I actually just bought my first starter kit for the table top. Huge thanks to you guys for helping me understand the lore and getting me more into the game!
For me the Pipeline was from 40k Lore and this podcast into Kill Team since it's very simplified 40k gameplay and it's a lot more digestible to play compared to full on 40k. Also, I would kill for the Moonbreaker guys to adapt Kill Team into a video game, cuz it's similar in scale to Moonbreaker with rosters that are like 15 at most and a lot of the flow is relatively similar.
I feel like going from SM2 to the Warhammer 40 Wrath and Glory tabletop RPG is one of the easist way to getting into more IRL warhammer.
How so? Honest question.
Wrath and Glory is a lot like DnD, but its alot more focused on cool naratives without the minute mechanics of other 40k rpgs.@Dracobyte
The thing that got me into Warhammer was imperial knights.
No joke, my first time playing 40k was at a demo table at a con a long time ago. And I saw that they have an imperial knight, and immediately fell soul connected to it (but they only let me play marines unfortunately)
But I love my giant knight mechs, and I am now getting into some imperial fists. I still don't have my own models, but I would be proud to be a knight pilot, or an imperial fist marine
I wish there was a Game about Knights / Chaos Knights. Either turn based like Front Misión or action similar to Armored Core.
@@Dracobyte bro, I would love a Gundam like vr game where you become the knight pilot
I first encountered 40k after hearing about the origins of Starcraft, but then started my slide properly with TotalBiscuit's original Space Marine video
As someone who’s finally getting around to buying and painting minis after years of consuming lore and playing the games I would love Ad Ric or Bricky to do an introduction to the 40K Hobby. Have it be the rules of the minis, what army to choose, what models to buy. How to build and paint them.
Right now I’m looking at getting into space marines, I wanted to play deathwatch but they are no longer an army as of recently so now it’s trying to figure out what space marines actually do - what all the words mean etc. Having one video or a short series of them explaining all of this would help a ton!
Pat's way of being a guest is apparently "When it's time to close it out, drop a live grenade in the room and immediately leave"
While DK's romcom comment now makes me want a romcom school life novel/comic based in the Scholar Progenia or whatever school for commissars and scions. We all know the original romcom in 40k come from Amber Vale and Ciaphas Cain, Gazkulthraka and Yarrick's tension comes in close second.
Fire Warrior deserves a Remake
100%
Yup. The Tau and specially the auxiliares deserves some love.
I have spent too much time planning out a sequel involving Kais wielding a railgun carbine, fusion blade, and lots of Khorne demons despite my complete lack of experience in game development
Honestly the civilain people havi g to live part is one of the reasons i love dan abnetts inquisition books.
I'm one of the people who discovered 40k as a result of star wars constantly kicking me in the nuts and telling me to like it.
I was desperate to escape the apathy, so i tried Boltgun, bought some minis and now i tune in for every one of your videos and i can say without a doubt that warhammer has given me far more enjoyment.
Bricky you might want to add advertisements for Adeptus Ridiculous to your faction and timeline videos. I’ve watched a few reactions to them and they almost always want more information on something from them.
I agree with the closing statement
Bricky is 100% right i have a first born squad leader who killed a bloodthirster back in 4th edition at my local games workshop to this day he is my only named generic space marine i even free hand painted the laurels of victory around his head
As soon as I learned about dreadnoughts and salamanders I knew this was the thing for me.
The Salamanders are the biggest bros in all of fiction. Straight up.
I'm so hyped for Mechanicus 2 to have a Necron Campaign.
Got Mr. 22 inch inseam on the pod? Very nice. Zaibatsu represent.
My warhammer origin story is...... kinda vague. My dad wasn't into warhammer specifically, but he always moved in the older board/wargaming community, bought and sold stuff, and had a few boxes with space marines and titans on them lying around. He even had a couple of nearly-complete Epic-scale titans of various kinds, eldar, ork, and I THINK a really old weird design of Warhound or something. There were a couple of moments that actually got ME into the hobby though, one of which being when I saw a squad of Hormagaunts when we were in a wargames shop one time and the design stayed with me so hard that I decided I HAD to find out what they were. I've been a simp for Norn Queens ever since.
Ahhh I forgot how fun the starts of quite but slowly goes more and more animated and insane Pat could be
With the Horus Heresy, the first 5 books are tied together pretty closely. After that you can jump around all over the place and pretty much just read the books of your favorite Legion.
I got my start in Warhammer because of Bricky. I was watching his videos when every faction explained came out and it immediately hooked me and haven't missed an episode of adric or brickys lore
I got into it painting with my dad and brother. First book from 40k I read was nightbringer.
Anyone else read Nightbringer?
For warhammer games not imperium focused, have one where you play as a eldar aspect warrior and the gameplay is very much metal gear rising inspired. Like mash buttons to chop a space marine to 20 pieces and use a psychic blast to blow the shrapnel pieces at the other marine.
Somehow I can imagine bigots calling it woke because their precious space marines are getting mogged.
But also it won't happen unfortunately. Xenos doesn't get that much love, but perhaps now that GW is getting braver and more susceptible to change, we can finally stop seeing Imperium dominance everywhere.
Age of Sigmar does a good job at balancing their factions + respective lores. If only 40k could have that.
I got started in Warhammer through Bricky’s intro video. Stayed in the hobby due to a mix of lore and sunk cost fallacy.
If you want to give people an easy route to get into the table top, make an in depth episode of deathwatch. Because controlling a huge army and painting all of them is a bit much, but with death watch you can focus on just one or a few dudes to paint and create a backstory for.
Would that not also be true number of models wise for custodes?
Oh hell yea my 2 favorite youtube groups are back together!
Petition for Bricky to make a 40K Miniatures Video
from collecting. painting and playing
HUMANS ARE SPACE ORKS!!!! One of my favorite sub-genres.
Yes! Thank you Pat! I enjoyed FireWarrior for what it was and I want another game from the Tau perspective. They allow the viewer to see the horror of the Imperium. To view humanity as the alien.
did not expect final comment. glad it happened.
To reiterate: Just read the Horus Heresy in order. You can skip some but the payoff of The End and The Death is soooo goood
I need a "Glip Shitto" shirt, Bricky. Make it happen.
I don't know if someone mentioned it, but Dawn of War 2 Retribution does have a Tyranid campaign.
I was re watching Bricky’s Boltgun game review and I think that pocket dimension in Space Marine 2 was a Labyrinth similar to the ones in Boltgun
Pat is like a wise old man who is completely ignorant. Love that guy.
I got into Warhammer by one of the Mobile games. Horus Heresy: Drop Assault
it was the visuals that made me say "ah ok this is cool"
2 best friends pat it’s been yeaaaaars
Also Fisticuffs.
check out the continuation of Pariah Nexus on Warhammer+ called Tithes. The second episode has a Sister of Silence (She does BSL) & the FIRST female Custodes. By the way, I love the portrayal of the female Custodes... she kicks ass in it.
Cool!
I was that dude in chat that told Pat about the dusk raiders… me and like 5 other guys
I admit I'm a lame 40k fan.
I transplanted from Star Wars I think around the pandemic, because I was just so fucking sick of the Sequels, and I had given up hope of getting a whole show about the Clone Wars with the darker tone of Umbara, and with the Seperatists given the same level of menace and effectiveness they had on Dathomir.
Instead, I found Russian Badger's video on Space Marine 1, and realized that Warhammer was much more up my alley in brutality and overall theming than Star Wars.
hell yea. They're both Space Fantasy settings too. They're not hard sci-fi, and people who think the lore is limited in any way by real life bs hasn't gotten into a "is it grimdark or grimderp" discussion concerning Imperial Navy ships using manual human labour to load shells instead of just using goddamned autoloaders.
@@Sercotani Tau win by pure efficiency, not by better tech which the imperium has but we use it so improperly that it's sad. This is the future so why are the mechanicus using binary instead of quantum bits? Tragic comedy setting is what I see. Cheers ☕
Sounds like you just weren't into Star Wars at all, given you don't seem to like the more lightheartedness and noblebrightness of that universe to begin with.
I got into Warhammer when I was about 10 or 11, my best friend growing up was into it, really into Chaos👹👾💀😈 That was late 90's and now im my son is 11 and is named after that friend😂
BEST POSTER EVER!!!! Literally signed up for patreon for the poster!
15 hours or Gaunt ghost are the best books to start with
PAAAAAT. Best collab ever
Yeah!
Pat is wonderful