The problem is having 10 shadows amped Sukuna have inner monologue talking about “fearing death for the first time” then suddenly jump cut to Gojo slashed in half and stating “I don’t know if I could have beaten even regular sukuna” Don’t gaslight me lol
I mean maaaaaaaaybe gojo is unclear about how sukuna did that so possibly he’s like ehhh maybe he could’ve managed it regardless? It does sound really weird especially when sukunas explanation explicitly states he wanted an example to copy.
The only time Sukuna was EVER slightly worried in that fight is when Gojo was charging up that Amped up Purple. And that's because he was already weakened enough that it COULD actually kill him. Everything else in the fight Sukuna already knew how to handle and wasn't worried. He did underestimate Gojo at times and paid for it though.
I think that’s the best part. You see how crazy the community is going over this? The authors goal is to captivate readers into his story thus Gojo’s death was genius
@dominicwoodford5711 didn't even think about this but that's probably true. The amount of uproar has this chapter the talk of the town, especially for that reason.
I really liked when Gege *told* us that Sukuna can beat Gojo even without TS, but *showed* us Sukuna not being able to beat Gojo using his techniques and completely relying on TS almost the whole fight
Actually Gojo says “he’s not sure if he could’ve won” and in another translation that” it would’ve been damn close” implying they are extremely relative and a fight could go either way. And we literally see sukuna’s domain expansion nearly killing Gojo on top of the fact that sukuna is apparently holding back in some manor soo….
@@brycenb2994 He emphasized on *could've. So Gojo is not sure that he would even have an ability* to defeat Sukuna. So Gojo would've just come close to Sukuna, but not enough to defeat him. Sukuna's domain wasn't even close to killing Gojo. He was not only surviving slashes but fighting Sukuna and landing attacks. Gojo on the other hand caught Sukuna in IV and knocked him out cold. And both times Sukuna was saved by Mahoraga. And after *showing* us all this, Gege expects us to believe that: "Oh, Sukuna didn't even needed TS, he would've won regardless"
thats not what he said. He said that he wasn't sure to be able to defeat sukuna, however same goes for sukuna who had no option to bypass infinity without TS. Without TS, this fight would have continued forever, since gojo can basically not run out of CE. At the end it was Mahorage who allowed sukuna to win.
@@Anorch-oy9jk that statement sets Gojo and Sukuna on the same level, but with Sukuna being slightly superior. Because why would he say "I'm no sure if I could've won" instead of "I could've won" or "I'd had a good chance" or etc. It emphasized on inability to win, instead of possibility of winning. Also rest of the chapter just reinforcers these negative undertones - "he wasn't going all out", "someone stronger than me"
@@seaweather I think sukuna didn't go all out because it was not a wise decision to do so. A fight against gojo is a strategic one and not a rough one like it will be against kishimo. The limitless is a very annoying CT and I suppose that even if you go all out, It won't make any difference unless you use domain amplification or w expansion. So sukuna had to fight passive and use mahoraga to figure out a possibility. I think gojo did give everything he had and it still wasn't enough to kill sukuna. Sukuna was patient and waited for his chance. So, personally I believe that the ten shadow CT made the difference in the fight. Close combat wise gojo was better, strategic planing wise sukuna was better. But sure, I think that makes sukuna a better sorcerer.
I was disappointed by how much Sukuna relied on 10 Shadows during this fight instead of using his own abilities, but your explanation on why he did that makes a lot of sense. In hindsight, that improves the overall quality of the fight for me. Still upset that Gojo got off-screened though, 9/10 fight with a 1/10 ending.
All you would have witnessed is Gojo, after a blink of an eye, starts to cough blood, gets cut in half from his torso. Not only does this look unfitting but also removes the shock factor of it from the previous chapter. I know this personally because I was excited for the next chapter also a bit worried. Seeing Gojo see Geto was great, but Geto and Gojo were talking about things only their older selves would know meaning it wasn’t a flashback. Then Gojo starts hinting he died. But we haven’t seen it yet so it leaves the reader very worried while doubting Gojo is actually dead because of the last chapter and then it finally hits you. I find it very fitting he was off screened. Even his death now makes sense too and wasn’t just bs. Perhaps this makes it sound less bad? I was still mad about it later on when they described what happened in full detail and the binding vow. But that’s what makes it good. Gege knows how to play with emotions and give you false hope without it being necessarily bad writing.
I think the reason people have a big problem with Gojo's death in the most recent chapter is not because he died, and might not even necessarily be because Gojo got off-screened (Though I do imagine that is a big part of it) but that Gege had been doing a pretty good job so far justifying the decisions made within the story between the characters and the "Power Levels" as well as the very limited amount of "Plot Armour" due to just how much of the cast has been killed in these high-pressure situations. Gege killing Gojo off screen after showing proof of Gojo's superior combat skills (What you show to the audience is more relevant to viewers' understanding of a work than statements of power levels or skills are. You can't just say that a character is at a certain level of power, you have to substantiate that claim in an action story for a viewer to buy it. A Shounen Manga is the type of story the audience can expect for the combat to be a big part of the exploration of its universe. It doesn't matter what Gege says, it matters what Gege *Shows* ) Gojo was just winning. He was just not losing. Gege showing Gojo getting KO'd off-screen feels less like an authorial statement or artistic decision and much more fundamentally like a letter of resignation or admittance that they would not rather have to answer what they've previously set up. It's hard to have all the pieces lined up when you're working on a piece of fiction, and especially when you're working under the conditions of Shounen Jump. But I think the reason this one has got everyone raising their eyebrows at it is because Gege did a good job with this kind of stuff before, but doesn't really have a good answer other than not answering it. Gege would rather just ignore or sidestep the issue and hope the audience doesn't pay attention. But of course, the story's not over, and this is just speculation on my part. Another reason is that "In-Universe" it has been set up that one of the reasons Gojo is so cracked and hard to beat is that he has Cursed Abilities and Magics that are specific in aiding reaction time. And when you play into characters in action stories having fundamentally higher reaction time, it can feel cheap to an audience for those characters with said great reflexes to be caught off guard. I think overall, audiences prefer characters with high reaction times to be overwhelmed, rather than to not be able to see a blow coming, which is what a cutaway of that nature implies. Not that Gojo was too tired to dodge, but that he just didn't see this one. Which doesn't seem in line with The Six Eyes. Especially when The Six Eyes is not a Technique that has to be activated, it is just on at all times.
THIS 100000%. You get it. Gege contradicts himself heavy with this chapter and everything he’s shown before. In powerscaling we have to take feats into account, and Sukuna had no feat that suggested he was superior to Gojo. It just was not set up. On top of Sukuna saying a purple would kill him IN HIS INNER MONOLOGUE so there is no reason for him to lie. Then a purple hits him and he offscreens gojo. Like what
This comment is just delusional tbh. Yes Gege showed Gojo winning BUT was Gojo really winning or was Sukuna holding back?? Gege put MUILTIOLE HINTS mid fight showing that sukuna want really going all out. During the domain battle everyone acknowledged that sukuna was taking the riskier routes in the fight. Gojo doubted himself mid fight and even had the Toji “something is off” comment. We also knew sukuna was waiting for mahoragas adaptation but no one expected that sukuna planned on copying the move, we most likely expected mahoraga to be the on killing Gojo, and this is why Gojo said sukuna could do ably beat him without 10S if he can copy what mahoraga did just know he always had the capacity to do that move, but mahoraga simply made it so he didn’t have to go all out and figure it out kid fight. This aside why would you accept that Gojo fights a guy like sukuna and it would be THAT easy, it literally made no sense Sukuna also wasn’t even using his real technique, the whole community just assumed it’s because HE CANT which is something we don’t even know. The people who are mad are 1: fans of Gojo 2: ignored ALL the hints that something was off the entire fight. You can’t say it’s bad writing when you literally ignore all the things the author did to forshadow the outcome.
@@emmanuelomego7080 I don't believe this to be the truth. If Sukuna was trying to kill Gojo, and was capable of killing Gojo handily. He would have done so when he had the monstrous advantage of 3 versus 1. Like it cannot even be explained just how insurmountable of an advantage just 2 versus 1 is in a serious combat context between trained and deadly combatants. And Gojo not only clutched the even more dire straits that were the 3 v 1, he eliminated Sukuna's backup and got it down to a 1 v 1. Sukuna's best chance at landing a "Gotcha" type hit is not here, it is when there are two other incredibly powerful sentient threats occupying Gojo's time and resources during the 3 v 1. I think one of Gege's missteps here is like you said, that it's hard to see coming. But it's not that Gojo fans are trying to huff up some copium, but that Gege didn't write Sukuna's skillset well enough for the audience to buy that he has any right in winning. Especially when Gojo proved he was nasty enough to fight three extremely powerful Curses all at the same time. Sukuna smiling is not proof of anything. Gojo clutching a 3 v 1 and not dying somehow is proof of something, and of much more substantial value to the audience.
@@kylefields3951 I am pretty sure he saw the slash coming. This is because of his six eyes, like you said. But how would Gojo know that slash would cut through space and thereby himself? Atleast thats what I think.
We don’t even see the action of Sukuna releasing the attack. One chapter gojo is smiling and sukuna is leaning on the wall, and the next gojo is cut in half and sukuna is smiling 💀
This is a monstrous comeback! I *have* to give you applause. This is how content creators covering all things comics should handle these situations. For Gojo's survival, we should wait and see. You're right. The subtle way you addressed the fandom's obsession was extremely diplomatic and you earned stripes for that. Let the author write their story. It's supposed to cause an emotional reaction. That's what makes it a good story. Addressing the clues that were littered throughout gives you hella bonus points that other content creators didn't earn for themselves. A lot of jokes are going to stop now, and anyone who lambasted you before will likely drop the issue. It's true that you can't make everyone happy. But you're also not the author of the series. You can only work with the material you're given and maintain neutrality as you do so. The situation is ever changing. This conflict is already off the rails in the most Gege way. And we all know how Gege is. The harder we try to push the story in a certain direction, the harder he / she will troll us. You could turn this follow-up into a master class on how to cover this sort of material and recover from community backlash. Excellent work!
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Word. Six is the first I've observed taking this route. There are even bigger channels who took straight to turning on Gege, just fanning the flames. Sure, they're entitled to their opinions, but they're encroaching on libel, which could get them flagged for take downs. Taking a break to cool off was a big brain play by Six. We're not going to love everything along the way, but have to trust the author because that's who knows the ending. Even if Gojo somehow survives, this loss means something. But we have to wait for it to appear. I hope more content creators learn to follow this example - especially since he opened up the discussion even more in the process. He hit on something that I had said. Gojo would've seen the cursed energy flowing around Sukuna. Something unique happened that wasn't revealed by the black flashback panel showing a Cleave. Gege's being cryptic for good reason, and it's probably going to be important later on. I'm sure we're missing something big about Mahoraga that hasn't been revealed yet. Nothing says that Mahoraga can pass along it's adaptations, but nothing says that it can't. Also, Hollow Purple washes the detonation area in light before it explodes. Mahoraga can move through shadows, so shadows would've been everywhere when it vanished in those two panels from chapter 235. Those shadows can be on the underside of surfaces, which is how Mahoraga came through the floor on Gojo before. Mahoraga suspiciously took minimal damage from Reverse Red in the building. The panels suggest an adaptation to Limitless Blue, but didn't actually say that. It was worded deceptively because Infinity could've caused the badkfire, and Gojo disabled Blue when he intercepted Mahoraga anyway. Also, Blue hit Agito but didn't actually hit Mahoraga at all. Mahoraga was instructed to adapt to Infinity when it was taking damage from Lapse, and it can only adapt to one type at a time, so it couldn't adapt to Blue while adapting to Infinity. All of this makes for a strange combination. When Gojo's arm was cut off, I don't think the model was completed in a way that Sukuna could use. Otherwise, he could've ended Gojo at any time after that. But he waited despite having numerous opportunities. Why? He used Piercing Blood at the end when he had Gojo in perfect position to Cleave him. Why get boomed by the Hollow Purple anyway? Something is missing. So, Six making sure to question how was the right way to go. I bet Gege wants us asking questions.
@@JimmyCrackorn not sure what youtubers youve been watching but there are plenty of big JJK ones that have been open minded with the out come from understanding how Sukuna pulled off cleave to the meaning of the "dream" and accepting Gojo off screen. They didnt mention any distaste with Gege simply that the outcome wasnt what they expected. Ive been watching various types for this chapter 236 from Gojo being dead to Gojo coming back to break downs from the fight to how the students will rival Sukuna. Theres a much better understanding now that we have had the full translation instead of leaks alone. We can say Gojo is officially dead, the students can learn something from observing Gojos fighting techniques and yes Gojo dialogue and off sceen was shitty but Gege is already moving the plot foward, not much we can do.
@@SemekiIzuio I'm not outing anyone because I don't want to disrespect Six by outright mentioning other channels in his comments, and I definitely don't want to spark rivalries between communities. I'm speaking specifically of those who were upset by chapter 236, not those who suspected more to come before chapter 236. I'm going to refrain from encouraging the team Gojo vs team Sukuna thing because I think it's more nuanced than that. Of those who were upset, Six was the first I've seen to reevaluate, take a minute to calm down, and extend an olive branch. There are a lot of content creators, so I admittedly don't have the same exposure to the range of them as you do. You could've seen others before I have, some I haven't even heard of. So I'm careful not to say the first of all, only the first I've seen. Of those I follow, he's the only one who hasn't called it bad writing, blamed Gege for forgetting stuff, etc, etc. Hell, I predicted this outcome and one of the creators I follow allowed his community to dogpile and flame me for weeks. He's got a huge channel, and I went back solely to call him out on it before unsubscribing. But Six made peace, so full switch. I'll go with the diplomatic creator any day. Some things will make us sour, but that's what makes us appreciate them. Six earned my respect by using that instead of rejecting it. In truth, we like imperfect things because they give us problems to solve so that we aren't bored. A great writer knows how to intentionally disappoint everyone in some way, then tie it all together in the end.
It was how i expected... including sukuna domain of jujutsu to overpower gojo defense. BUT... The gojo character destruction in this chapter... that dont went well. Gege destroyed the character in 1 chapter, killed him offscreen. I dont even wanna know how Yuji will end... Gege hate Yuji too.
Sukuna literally created a hit box and said "anything in this space gets cut." As crazy as it sounds, Infinity is a pretty simple thing to get through if you really think about it. Yes, it stops anything from getting NEAR gojo but it doesnt necessarily stop him from getting HIT. If you can just HIT gojo infinity is useless. He's as durable as any other human he just has mega regeneration if the hit doesnt kill him. So when you HIT him, make that hit count and boom fights done.
@@afewthreads1460 nah he isn’t. Be realistic here. Have you genuinely not noticed how much damage gojo takes when u actually hit him? Man literally go his throat cut out (young gojo but still). The guy literally got murdered. By a guy. With a KNIFE. That’s all it took.
Peak fight... but the end of the fight feels like Gege stabbed us in the back. No one can deny how impressive Gojo looked in the fight, and for all of that be almost debunked in 1 chapter is frustrating. Think about it this way. If Gojo had not said that Sukuna was pretty much stronger than him, most of us would have came to the conclusion that they were somewhat equal with Mahoraga being the deciding factor. NOW you have Gojo's very own words working against you if you have that opinion.
Gojo was being humble IMO. If Mike Tyson said Buster Douglas was the better fighter would anybody realistically look at their two careers and come to that same conclusion?
I think it's less Gojo "glazing" Sukuna as many have taken it. Gojo finally got to go all out and play, he pushed his technique to its utmost limit. Sukuna spent pretty much the entire fight having to use someone else's CT to find a way around Gojo's Infinity. He didn't get to go all out like Gojo finally got to and Gojo feels bad for him bc of that
13:11 He held back because it's not a normal 1v1 . - If Gojo beat Sukuna then that's the end of it. If Sukuna beat Gojo he still has to fight the next challenger(s). I think it was Kukasabe who said that in the chapter, I'm too lazy to check but I just wanted to say that cos it's one of the things that irked me about your video. Not bad overall though, I liked your take on why Gojo shouldn't have regrets despite the loss.
I think what Gojo ment hen he said Sukuna didn't give it his all was that he didn't push him to come up with something on the fly, he didn't make deviate from his original plan, cuz when Gojo said he gave it his all he mentioned something about his quick thinking
When Kenjaku the one that spent every era fighting 6eyes even told Gojo”You really think you beat Sukana”. When Sukana wasn’t even in his 20-fingers form was foreshadowing Gojo defeat. Gojo even started the fight at 120%. Sukana is the king of curses that fought for his position in THE GOLDEN ERA. Everytime Gojo died or got captured was because he was living through the title of “the strongest”.
I’ve been saying what you said repeatedly about the 120% thing. Also Sukuna isn’t one to misjudge things and in the first encounter I’m sure Sukuna says he’d slam Gojo
Gojo started the fight with 120% PURPLE. Not his other stats. Just that move. It's made clear by even Sukuna when he says he tanked because he was in perfect condition and it was far.
@@Sovereign7767 So you saying jogo that was high being worth being 4-6 fingers sukana was stronger than 80-90% of the golden era? I seen that statement by kenjaku to hype up jogo to further his own plans. The golden era go mean much when every reference to Sukuna was in 20 finger form
Been knowing you ever since you hopped on the Naruto debates with Swag and (redacted) the programmer. The way you analyzed sukunas mindset prior to and during the fight earned a sub from me for sure. Amazing interpretation!
😂😂😂straight off the bat we as the audience are seeing the fight through Gojo's eyes most of the time.... take it as something that was soo sudden even he didnt have time to react which kinda makes sense cz he was shocked to be in the afterlife after clearly being on top at the end of 235 ...i think that was the effect gege was going for.....
The thing about this chapter I don't like is how goio says he wouldn't have beaten sukuna even if he didn't have ten shadows even though we know that's just not the case
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350That’s contradictory to the fight without the 10s sukuna wouldn’t know this space cutting slash, I doubt he would’ve found a way out of UV🤷🏽
@@Raptor727 No it isn't contradictory it's been stated even by gojo's companions that sukuna had trump cards and even Gojo questioned why Sukuna was only using the ten shadows and not his own techniques, it's not about what you doubt it's confirmed by the creator of the series and Gojo admitted Sukuna is stronger there's no discussion to be had.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 it still is contradictory to what happened in the fight, sukuna limited himself to using those techniques because his normal moves wouldnt be able to get through limitless. Thats the entire reason he needed to use mahoraga so he could use it as a base line to adapt to limitless and win, without that he cant do so.
The minute you realize that domain clash aside this wasn’t a Gojo vs Sukuna fight, it was Gojo vs “Fully Realized” Megumi. Had a blast with the fight but damn Gojo is half the man he used to be coming out of this fight(sorry had to do it). Even though it’s not completely relevant I love how Kashimo didn’t even let Gojo’s body hit the ground before he arrived on the scene. Gotta love his “I got next” energy. He really saw the strongest sorcerer in the modern era get murked and said “Don’t disappoint me”😂.
Thinking back now, go back and look at the panel where Gojo asks Geto if they should kill everyone in the room while he's holding riko's corpse.. right then and there is the moment where all paths diverged
Imo he died in the last panel in 235 where it says he wins. Wide eyes as if surprised, same with facial expression even his hair is moved back as if something just passed him going fast. It doesn't even show his lower part of his body where he got sliced. I don't think it was off screened. Mahoraga is super fast slices so it would be instant. Also some one that is supposed to be dead wasnt there.
I cant exactly say i was surprised with the outcome but i will say i completely agree with you on how they did it. Reading the chapter was pretty jarring going from week to week. And even rereading afterwards going from the panel of Gojo Wins to Gojo in the afterlife is strange.
@@Lizardgreininja47449 Sounds cope. Sukuna holding back should not be fearing for his life or summoning 2 partners to help him. Holding back implies that he can win without full powers, so why is he at all concerned? The writing simply doesn't make sense. Everyone knew Gojo would lose this fight, but it is not written in a believable way.
nice video i agree with everything u said except for me in chapter 238 it was clear for me that sukuna hiean era would destroy gojo in at mex 2 domain clashes and he even win the fight with the first domain clash if he just keep enchanting his domain sure hit and go hitting gojo with 4 arms with domain amp i dont see gojo living this cause when sukuna won first clash gojo needed to use 100% of his RCT to keep up with sukuna domain but with enchating sukuna would buff the effect 120% so even with 100% RCT gojo cant keep up the pace with sukuna engaging on him and qith the komutoki and its mass do big dmg it will be brutal fight this is why ifeel gege didnt want to let sukuna hiean era body fight gojo cause it will not be even fair with all my respect to gojo but it was stated by the other sukuna in 4 arms is perfection beyond any sorcerer
In retrospect, I think it comes down to the strategy. Gojo fought under the "gotta kill it fast" impression, and in the end, not only that allowed Sukuna to get what he wanted by recieving his jujutsu repeatedly. Sukuna stalled for time cause he needed it to get his upgrade. Had Gojo stalled, it'd be a matter of if the oportunity for a one-first-hit-kill would ever arrive, and if not it'd be at best a stalemate. Personally, I'd think it'd be best if they had killed each other, and then Kenjaku was the guy to deal with from now on. Considering that on top of it all Sukuna now has a tech that can go through the best defense nobody else has, I'm not sure how he can be dealt with in a way that makes sense. Unless he has a timelimit on it, or smt, now that Mahoraga has (presumably) been destroyed. He also has some jujutsu that's supose to be someone elses, like the piercing blood thing. Wonder how that fits into this whole thing.
@@rohanking12able His main advantage is being unreacheable, so bob and weave. He could've not used blue to boost his strikes too, that would've at least slowed down the adaptation. The main unkown factor with that would wether using infinite exclusively as a defensive measure would still proc the adaptation, or if being hit by domex is necessary. However the case, the longer the fight, the bigger Sukuna's advantage gets. Mahoraga's adaptation doesn't seem to stop at any point, from Sukuna's explanation, it progresses with it's limit in the infinite relative to how much data it has. So giving it as little data as possible while looking for gaps, or forcing it indirectly, seems to be the better strategy. Not that it matters much now, cause it seemed half the shikigamis were flat out desintegrated on the fight, so unless he can somehow straight up pheonix down them b*tches, it's just Sukuna with not-quite-10-shadows now. Wich is also not impossible, who knows what else that mofo has on his (metaphorical) sleeves.
@@rohanking12able It'd be swortta like the Loen Edwards vs Kamaru Usman fight, if you watch MMA. UFC, in this case. Tho in that particular case I believe it was more a lucky strike that landed, it might have been a strategy from Edwards part. And yes, it is quite possible that it would've been just a slow death, it depends on how much Sukuna really is above Gojo, wich from the last chapter, he still has new tricks to show. Maybe in the end, this boss just has too many hp to be defeated by a single person.
@@sukitta2 yea it's just bad writing. Gojo had no choice but to fight so there's no real option to let Sakuna just kill him slowly while maha just interacts with infinity. Unless he got back up but then what maha negs them? Sakuna had the biggest advantage you could have in a fight. Forced attrition
Nah, I’m sorry, gojo losing is wrong. You can’t write a fight to be so overwhelmingly one sided, with gojo throwing sukuna around, constantly having him about to die, and then turn around and say “sukuna wasn’t giving it his all.” That’s inconsistent narrative. Same with this idea that sukuna didn’t need mahoraga to beat gojo, that simply isn’t true. Mahoraga saved sukuna from certain death in multiple occasions, gojo literally knocked him out at one point. And sukuna wouldn’t have found a way to cut gojo without mahoraga. It’s way more realistic to say that gege just got fed up with the character. That’s just bad writing. I don’t mind that he died, gojo NEEDED to die, but he should never have lost the fight. Would have made way more sense that in his weakened state, kenjaku back stabs him or someone else pins him or something. From the INCEPTION of his character, gojo was meant to be the strongest. This is just bad writing
The point at the end about sukuna not going all out kinda reminds if ssj2 goku vs majin vegeta. But that fight wasn't completely one sided regardless of goku holding back
@@bfuryy yea I compared the 2 different fights because learning the Goku and sukuna were holding back sours the fight for me. Especially after seeing gojo dogwalk sukuna for 9 chapters straight
@@thefool6985 yeah, there wasnt a point in time where vegeta had goku essentially dead, and that happened several times with gojo and sukuna. some people are saying that its because "sukuna cuoldnt use his techniques because of infinity" but that just doesnt sit well with me at all. For one, I see cleave and dismantle as pretty much the same concept as infinity. the ability to instantly bisect anyone who stands in front of you is as negating as no one being able to touch you. there's just no fighting that, its brain dead. infinity was "carrying gojo" so that sukuna couldnt use his techniques because without infinity, you just die LOL. Second, it seems like a huge reach that the fan base is making to say that THAT is what gojo meant. Much more reasonable answer is that gege is petty, or lazy, or got tired of gojo or all three.
My problem with this fight is Sukuna's winning with this world cutting slash that comes out of nowhere when almost every other part of the fight is built upon information we've been given throughout the story... and most of the the cast being reduced to glorified commentator for the whole scene with so much panel dedicated to them dissecting the fight, that's quite the new brand of talk no jutsu here.
sukuna's space slash was not coming nowhere dude.He started learning that technique when maho slashed gojo's hand.And at the end of the fight sukuna fully understood that and enlinghtened.And once he has that op slash he one shotted gojo.Even gojo have returned as many gojo fans wish sukuna will still slash him since his space slash was like 4th dimensional slash.
@@HusLaeAung I admit the final cut was well built up in the span of the fight, it's just that all other part were built upon information we already had given to us bit by bit throughout the whole story so the contrast was a bit jarring.
In my opinion I still think that Gojo is stronger than Sukuna physically but Sukuna’s knowledge, adaptation & preparation for the fight gave him the edge. I feel the fight was “The Greatest Sorcerer vs The Strongest Sorcerer”
Everyone forgot that gojo has teleportation.He can easily escape from the open domain and dodge any attack coming at him by reading the flow of CE and spark with his six eyes. Gege purposefully didn't make gojo use teleportation in this fight. Gojo has already seen mahoraga's slash that cut off his arm.Sukuna copied the same technique,six eyes should have figured out the what that technique is but gege just offscreened the death.
I actually kinda like not seeing the hit, i think it makes the ease at which the attack came more apparent then anyway of showing it. I think the idea is that once sukuna expanded the technique, then gojo just lost. That there wasn't a counter play plausible by gojo once it expanded thus he's done away with just so easily that it wasn't "worth" seeing
Couldn't we get atleast a bit struggle to fight against this evolved sukuna instead we just have gojo probably looking at the spark of dismantle and stood there like "It won't hit me" then dies even though the six eyes will probably tell him that it will hit him.
@@lorhengleap5300 i honestly don't think there could have been a struggle at all regardless if I'm reading this evolution correctly, I think it truly would have been as quick and easy as essentially a snap of the finger and it's over and I think off screening that conveys that better then seeing it imo.
@@lorhengleap5300 if I'm reading it right, then it's technically dodgeable, just not at all plausible if you don't know precisely how it works which gojo couldn't have known or predicted in anyway. I'm thinking from here it's gonna be a bit of an Intel game for everyone to figure out the limits of this expanded technique and probably a lot of death in the process and then yuji being given said Intel to have a go at a sukuna who's relatively weakened from everything, but that's just a guess
Brooo noo, the offscreen dead is actually genius. From the end scene of chapter 235 and the starting panels of chapter 236, you can easily assume what has happened moments before Gojo wakes up to his dead best friend in an airport. Sukuna clearly landed a surprise attack and Gojo is clearly pissed about it. It was a beautiful way for Satoru Gojo to go out.
3:00 Saving the attack that defeated Gojo for later is a GIGANTIC risk but can pay off if executed properly. I like it when storytellers take risk. It makes the story memorable.
We're only getting glimpses. It's torment because we don't have a complete view, and it branches across chapters. Gege's messing with us, but it's working. I wonder what the next clue is going to be, and when it's going to come.
Sorry bro I still dont get it. It was expected from the start that gojo would lose. Of course he would, there would be no point to "fear" a already known to be weaker than Satoru, Kenjaku. The problem for me tho is, summed with getting offscreened, Gojo glazing over Sukuna to the point of forgetting that its Megumi whos suffering with the King, also Kenjaku with Getos body. Mf couldnt save his student nor getos body and in his last conscious moments hes talking about no regrets. Either way, im curious about Hajimes CT.
I think the fact that we don't see the attack that ended Gojo is just Gege being consistent. Gojo died the exact same way Jogo did. He was in the afterlife before he even knew what hit him. There might be meaning in that, which we don't know yet.
😢 why can' t people see this, only if gojo used a binding vow in the second domain clash. If gojo gave up his sure hit effect to make the barrier of his domain stronger in the second domain ckash immediately after sukuna used his binding vow. Then that changes everything gojo would have tied with sukuna and would not have lost to sukuna intact the change in the outcome of the entire fight . And I think that gojo would have won .And I think gege knew this that is why gege didn' t allow this happen because he wanted sukuna to win
How are people still confused by the Sukuna holding back statement. He literally has to fight like 10 more people after Gojo. Hakari, Mei Mei, and Kusakabe all stated this.
I think you're the one who doesn't understand. Sukuna was going all out, he just didn't use his other cursed techniques because they would have been useless against Infinity. But now since everyone else doesn't have Infinity, Sukuna has the freedom to chose whichever technique he wants
@@mrplatinum5987 No, you don't understand. Sukuna not going all out was specifically mentioned when Mei Mei, kusakabe, and Hakari pointed out that he has more fights ahead. Until we see Sukuna's full ct we won't know if he had something else to get through infinity or not.
if you go to chapter 118(I think that was it) Sukuna thanks Megumi for showing him a way, pressumably talking about how to defeat Gojo seeing Mahoraga is how he defeated him, and since we won't have an oficial answer and I want to keep my will to live up, I'll keep thinking he can't win against Gojo without the 10 shadows
@sonicwithglasses131 No. I like both the same and thought at the beginning sukuna would win. Gojo did win but gege needed to get him out of the story I feel. Its hard to have tension in a story with someone like gojo around
I'm not sure how sukuna managed to blitz gojo and his 6 eyes so bad that he got cut in half while he was winning till that point than again he did get cut by mahoraga before so maybe mahoraga has some insanely fast attacks even gojo's 6 eyes can't follow
As Stan Lee once said "the writer decides the winner". At the end of the day you have Sukuna fans happy, Gojo fans angry, and it's all because of a fiction series lol. Gojo fans, this was a very poorly written fight ending, get over it, it's just a manga not real life lol
Lmao for the first half the subtitles were saying the exact opposite of what you were saying. You said you have come to like it overtime and the subtittles said you cant accept it lmfao. Thats genius actually.
Basically what I interpreted from Sukuna’s expiation is that Mahoraga adapts over time and improves the adaptation, when Mahoraga used sukunas power to cut gojo’s arm he didn’t hit infinity but space where gojo’s arm was and it got cut off. Then seeing this Sukuna himself learned how to do it and apply his cursed technique to space itself, then when Sukuna was on his last legs he caught Gojo off guard, by slashing the space where Gojo stood and Satoru got cut in half because of that
Like I said somewhere else, this is Madara 2.0. Gojo was too powerful for the plot and he rightfully proved it during the fight with Sukuna, anyone who read it immediately knows that Gojo was dominating the fight and even the narration supported it and then, out of nowhere and off screen, Gojo dies and even says Sukuna was stronger! Gege was cornered with the story from the very second Gojo was made as strong as he was and decided go get rid of Gojo no matter how dumb or contradictory it was.
Yo kaiyo, how do you think the rest of the cast gonna be able to fight sukuna after he just one shot gojo? Like that final attack feels a little to powerful…
And what does that should mean? It's a tragedy for the story nonetheless. Now Power system that Gege has created is shattered. Gojo was already cut on by the cleave, in DE of Sukuna. And it was useless. Now it's new cut that for some reason ignores that in DE technique is stronger anyway.
Can someone please explain to me, how Sukuna was able to do all this nonsense with Megumi's soul in the fight? Because from my understanding, this contradicts everything that we knew about soul = body and vice versa. This really did feel like Gege writing himself into a corner, trying to outdo himself, and then in typical, Gege-esque fashion, overcomplicating not only what could have been a simple explanaition, but taking completely unnecessary route in this fight for a shock value and some plot shenanigans. So, my questions are, how was Sukuna able to: 1) transfer damage from the previously established brain attacking sure-hit to a soul inside the body he possesses. 2) Seperate during domain clashes his soul and Megumi's body from Megumi's soul, so that his specific CT, imbued into domain, does not protect him, even though it's stated, that his sure affect does not affect him inside the domain, but still, he is fine and Megumi is not.... when the soul is the body and the body is the soul.... 3) Summon Mahoraga twice without hand signs, and only doing non verbal incantation once... without confirming if it was due to some binding vow, no... it's just plot. This is the worst part of the fight in my opinion, necause how CRUCIAL it is to the ovaerall conclusion it was and how utterly dumb it is when you try to understand it. Not only it is written in the most Gege-esque, confusing way, but it's also not gratifying when you figure this shit out, because it makes no goddamn sense.
If you actually thought Gojo was gonna end the series in his first actual fight with Sukuna you're delusional. I always assumed he'd lose but at the very least set the stage for Yuji. You know, the protagonist lol
I mean still, they could have shown the end of the fight proper. Ending such a fight by skipping the final blow, that was bad. I don't know why they did it.
I think “holding back” is just the wrong verbiage to use. As far as we know, the moves he held back aren’t viable against Infinity. Holding back implies Sukuna had a way around infinity but intentionally didn’t use it - which again, as far as we is absolutely false. Also off-screening the most popular character, the best RCT user not being able to heal when there’s multiple statements implying he should be able to, giving Sukuna an outright broken ability to beat a character the author openly dislikes, thus creating a character so strong (Was Gojo, and now it’s Sukuna) that plot dictates he must be killed or removed from the story but there isn’t seemingly any way to do it without it feeling like it wasn’t given enough thought.
im not exactly sure gojo was referring to his life when saying jujutsu sorcerers can die without regrets. i though he was referring to nanamis experience
If every Cursed energy attack has a spark, And gojo can see cursed energy, How was he hit again? How did he not feel the spark of cursed energy being used? I dont care who won or lost, I dont even read jjk like that. I just want the plot to make sense 🤨
It will not. The more you will think about it, the more power system will be crushed into pieces, now normal attacks are stronger then amped by DE attacks, and character wasn't using it at the best tyme when Gojo was casting red. Instead of unsummoning Maho, he just was screaming for Maho to help, and then use water against red. Asspull from nowhere.
@@ghouluoshe8001 I find it strange because literally up until this point, We've been expanding on all aspects of Jujitsu. Barriers, Heavenly Restrictions and Binding vows. My personal head cannon to correct this chapter would be to have Sakuna make some kind of vow that only activates after his domain is destroyed. That way the whole "You were always holding back" bullshit makes sense and gives Gojos death something backed by something we've consistently seen in the series
Sukuna ain't beating Gojo without Mahoraga none of his own techniques like shrine, the secret open ct or even yorozu's gift would work cuz of infinity & we seen how a Domain Battle goes & Gojo was still winning the whole fight until the very last chapter so Gojo would honestly mid-high diff Sukuna if he doesn't have 10 Shadows or a vessel
Respect to Sukuna, he will talk shit before and whilst fighting you, but by the end of the fight, if he sees you as strong he will commend you for that, such as with Jogo and right now with Gojo.
@@Xeno1_3You people have no critical thinking. They’re literally praising each other out of respect at the end of their fight. But we the audience know for a fact that Sukuna only has DE and 10s to actually get Gojo
His whole life he’d always been treated as the concept of “the strongest”, in the end Gojo‘s character comes full circle. Surrounded by loved ones he spends his final moments not as “the strongest”, but as Satoru Gojo, the human, friend to many, loved by many more
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж You mean Mahoraga. Gojo wiped the floor with regular old Sukuna. If I beat Magnus Carlsen in a chess match with Stockfish helping me out, that doesn't make me better than Magnus.
@justlurkin horrible exemple, sukuna fought mostly alone, mahoraga didnt give a speed dura strength CT or output amp, it was the opposite as sukuna had to take dumb damage and even held back even more than he was already to adapt mahoraga and even then weakned gojo and sukuna wher superior to him, he didnt even adapted in a way sukuna could use so sukuna itself had to figure it out on its own and decide what to do, so literally while helding back, restricted, and in a far weaker body than his old one still beated gojo, and tanking everything gojo throw at him, so no, sukuna>gojo, literally stated that even without 10 shadows sukuna>him😂so there's no point in arguing
@@giovannieriksandu2432Don't waste Ur time man. These gojotards are gonna come up with insane copium even after sukuna beat the allegations. Let him have their own idea. If they want to believe their opinion then they can don't waste Ur time
Nah, Sukuna "feared death for the first time" admited that hollow purple could be fatal to him, just for Gege state that he was holding back, and he could have beaten Gojo without 10S, while the whole thing that made him survive the fight AND his final strike was ALL 10S. Honestly, idk what Gege was thinking him, but I trust him and I still think he is cooking something. This does NOT feel right. Big plot twist incoming.
@@dominicwoodford5711 Im not mad at all that Gojo died, he needed to, and I expected that he would since the beggining, but this was pure bs. Toji was being cautious but he did go all out and never feared anything on the first round, because HE KNEW HE WAS STRONGER. He only showed nervousness and fear when Gojo learned RCT and the true power of limitless. If Sukuna knew he was still holding back and was stronger from the beginning, why did he admitted that Purple could kill him and got desesperated when Gojo launched red in the sky to make the remote purple? Why did he felt nervous for the first time in a 1000 years? Look, if he had thought all the fight that everyone was under control, even if he was getting his ass beated, this would make sense. Maybe he was testing Gojo. But no. Multiple times he feared, he got nervous, he thought he could lose. And while all that he was holding back? Pure bs. Gege just took the fraudkuna trend personally and wanted to prove everything wrong, but this makes no sense. Sukuna needed to win for the story keep going, but the way Gege writed this ending. Honestly doesnt make any sense. I hope Gege is cooking something because this does not feel right at all.
It was never stated he feared death for the first time. It said he experienced the height of tension for the first time in 1000 years. You gojo stans are even making up your own manga to defend him. Read the manga before commenting on it.
I like how you explained the "holding back" element. The thing that makes Sukuna extremely dangerous is he is a Genius Jujutsu problem solver. Which makes it likely that even if 10 Shadows was unavailable he would have found another way around the problem that was Gojo's infinity. Would it have been remotely similar? Maybe, maybe not. Thing is, he had faith in the tool he chose and he played it to the conclusion. And it worked. That does not mean it was impossible for him to put forth another tool to the task and still come out the victor.
I agree. This is what people miss the most. He used Moharaga simply because he had it. If he didn't have it, he would've broke infinity some other way. The attack used was Sukuna's own technique. It wasn't Moharag's. People keep saying that he could have never done it without the 10 shadows. That isn't true.
@@zaerogartorias9890stop lying to yourself for bad writing bruh…you think you are the only one in this ocean of people with a fing brain? Ego crazy lol. No one likes that “should’ve, would’ve, could’ve” nonsense. It’s the fact that during the fight the audience clearly sees sukuna didn’t have something to bypass it and the points that he received dmg or would’ve gotten hurt he used the 10 shadows. You never been in a ball game or argument with someone and they say if they would’ve done this they would win and you would respond “then why didn’t you do it then.” The way some of you guys talk it’s like you do not have real life friends or touch grass bro lol.
I believe it is a stretch to assume that he was going to get past it without Mahoraga. Saying that he was going to do it some other way when sakuna literally says I needed a model on how to do it lets me know that he couldn't on his own. Also I interpret holding back as using things that weren't going to be effective vs. What was
@@ShadeThaArtist Gojo stated he didn't know if he could beat 10 Shadowless Sukuna himself. A stretch? No. Gojo's infinity has weaknesses. We have seen it be breached by multiple different applications and some things (like poison) were mentioned as possible weaknesses but not explored. Sukuna WANTED a model for his CLEAVE. He didn't know how to get his primary attack that he spams the whole series past infinity. But he wanted to, and using Mahoraga, he did. Nowhere does Sukuna state that he needed Mahoraga to win. Only that he used him to win. A subtle, but distinct difference.
@@TyrantofthewindOK you are stating what gojo said, but you are not looking into what the actual attack user says, that he needed a model to bypass infinity. Yes he wanted to do with his technique. The thing is sukuna is a genius at understanding jujutsu sorcery and curse technique. He understood how mahoraga's adaptation works. I don't think any other user of 10S have ever done this or could have done. He understood that mahoraga can provide him that model which he can use to bypass infinity. And he had time to prepare for battle with gojo. Sukuna had used mahoraga before gojo's fight against yorozu, so he definitely knew how to watch mahoraga and use his model. Sukuna wasn't sure of any other way to bypass infinity, but to see mahoraga bypass it. So it's a stretch to consider he could have done it on his own.
I had fun...
We all did.
All of us did
i liked it
SUKUNA IS HIM RAHHHH
Worst panels oat
You can say what you want about Gojo after this fight, but you can’t say he wasn’t a cut above the rest.
He's also half the man he used to be. 😢
You could say Sukuna cut Gojo's life to pieces and ot was Sukuna's last resort
He *was* the strongest modern day sorcerer, and then the reincarnated sorcerers came into the picture.
Technically he is cut above the rest 😂😂😂
Hey cut that out!
Any way you slice it sukuna is pretty sharp.
The problem is having 10 shadows amped Sukuna have inner monologue talking about “fearing death for the first time” then suddenly jump cut to Gojo slashed in half and stating “I don’t know if I could have beaten even regular sukuna”
Don’t gaslight me lol
ong lol
for real
I mean maaaaaaaaybe gojo is unclear about how sukuna did that so possibly he’s like ehhh maybe he could’ve managed it regardless?
It does sound really weird especially when sukunas explanation explicitly states he wanted an example to copy.
Idk he literally couldnt be killed only sealed during the golden age of jujutsu he was always going to be stronger than gojo imo
The only time Sukuna was EVER slightly worried in that fight is when Gojo was charging up that Amped up Purple. And that's because he was already weakened enough that it COULD actually kill him. Everything else in the fight Sukuna already knew how to handle and wasn't worried. He did underestimate Gojo at times and paid for it though.
Narratively speaking, Gojo had to die in order for the story to continue. Still doesn't excuse the fact that he got done the Hashirama treatment.
Or the Yamamoto treatment.
@@janicenascimento9625 I’m crying rn 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think that’s the best part. You see how crazy the community is going over this? The authors goal is to captivate readers into his story thus Gojo’s death was genius
@dominicwoodford5711 didn't even think about this but that's probably true. The amount of uproar has this chapter the talk of the town, especially for that reason.
@@janicenascimento9625Literally this.
I really liked when Gege *told* us that Sukuna can beat Gojo even without TS, but *showed* us Sukuna not being able to beat Gojo using his techniques and completely relying on TS almost the whole fight
Actually Gojo says “he’s not sure if he could’ve won” and in another translation that” it would’ve been damn close” implying they are extremely relative and a fight could go either way. And we literally see sukuna’s domain expansion nearly killing Gojo on top of the fact that sukuna is apparently holding back in some manor soo….
@@brycenb2994 He emphasized on *could've. So Gojo is not sure that he would even have an ability* to defeat Sukuna. So Gojo would've just come close to Sukuna, but not enough to defeat him.
Sukuna's domain wasn't even close to killing Gojo. He was not only surviving slashes but fighting Sukuna and landing attacks.
Gojo on the other hand caught Sukuna in IV and knocked him out cold. And both times Sukuna was saved by Mahoraga. And after *showing* us all this, Gege expects us to believe that: "Oh, Sukuna didn't even needed TS, he would've won regardless"
thats not what he said. He said that he wasn't sure to be able to defeat sukuna, however same goes for sukuna who had no option to bypass infinity without TS. Without TS, this fight would have continued forever, since gojo can basically not run out of CE. At the end it was Mahorage who allowed sukuna to win.
@@Anorch-oy9jk that statement sets Gojo and Sukuna on the same level, but with Sukuna being slightly superior. Because why would he say "I'm no sure if I could've won" instead of "I could've won" or "I'd had a good chance" or etc. It emphasized on inability to win, instead of possibility of winning.
Also rest of the chapter just reinforcers these negative undertones - "he wasn't going all out", "someone stronger than me"
@@seaweather I think sukuna didn't go all out because it was not a wise decision to do so. A fight against gojo is a strategic one and not a rough one like it will be against kishimo. The limitless is a very annoying CT and I suppose that even if you go all out, It won't make any difference unless you use domain amplification or w
expansion. So sukuna had to fight passive and use mahoraga to figure out a possibility. I think gojo did give everything he had and it still wasn't enough to kill sukuna. Sukuna was patient and waited for his chance. So, personally I believe that the ten shadow CT made the difference in the fight. Close combat wise gojo was better, strategic planing wise sukuna was better. But sure, I think that makes sukuna a better sorcerer.
I was disappointed by how much Sukuna relied on 10 Shadows during this fight instead of using his own abilities, but your explanation on why he did that makes a lot of sense. In hindsight, that improves the overall quality of the fight for me. Still upset that Gojo got off-screened though, 9/10 fight with a 1/10 ending.
"off screened" is a bit of an overstatement imo. it would have been 2 panels at most and I honestly think they wouldn't be necessary.
All you would have witnessed is Gojo, after a blink of an eye, starts to cough blood, gets cut in half from his torso. Not only does this look unfitting but also removes the shock factor of it from the previous chapter. I know this personally because I was excited for the next chapter also a bit worried. Seeing Gojo see Geto was great, but Geto and Gojo were talking about things only their older selves would know meaning it wasn’t a flashback. Then Gojo starts hinting he died. But we haven’t seen it yet so it leaves the reader very worried while doubting Gojo is actually dead because of the last chapter and then it finally hits you. I find it very fitting he was off screened. Even his death now makes sense too and wasn’t just bs. Perhaps this makes it sound less bad?
I was still mad about it later on when they described what happened in full detail and the binding vow. But that’s what makes it good. Gege knows how to play with emotions and give you false hope without it being necessarily bad writing.
I think the reason people have a big problem with Gojo's death in the most recent chapter is not because he died, and might not even necessarily be because Gojo got off-screened (Though I do imagine that is a big part of it) but that Gege had been doing a pretty good job so far justifying the decisions made within the story between the characters and the "Power Levels" as well as the very limited amount of "Plot Armour" due to just how much of the cast has been killed in these high-pressure situations.
Gege killing Gojo off screen after showing proof of Gojo's superior combat skills (What you show to the audience is more relevant to viewers' understanding of a work than statements of power levels or skills are. You can't just say that a character is at a certain level of power, you have to substantiate that claim in an action story for a viewer to buy it. A Shounen Manga is the type of story the audience can expect for the combat to be a big part of the exploration of its universe. It doesn't matter what Gege says, it matters what Gege *Shows* )
Gojo was just winning. He was just not losing. Gege showing Gojo getting KO'd off-screen feels less like an authorial statement or artistic decision and much more fundamentally like a letter of resignation or admittance that they would not rather have to answer what they've previously set up.
It's hard to have all the pieces lined up when you're working on a piece of fiction, and especially when you're working under the conditions of Shounen Jump. But I think the reason this one has got everyone raising their eyebrows at it is because Gege did a good job with this kind of stuff before, but doesn't really have a good answer other than not answering it. Gege would rather just ignore or sidestep the issue and hope the audience doesn't pay attention. But of course, the story's not over, and this is just speculation on my part.
Another reason is that "In-Universe" it has been set up that one of the reasons Gojo is so cracked and hard to beat is that he has Cursed Abilities and Magics that are specific in aiding reaction time. And when you play into characters in action stories having fundamentally higher reaction time, it can feel cheap to an audience for those characters with said great reflexes to be caught off guard. I think overall, audiences prefer characters with high reaction times to be overwhelmed, rather than to not be able to see a blow coming, which is what a cutaway of that nature implies. Not that Gojo was too tired to dodge, but that he just didn't see this one. Which doesn't seem in line with The Six Eyes. Especially when The Six Eyes is not a Technique that has to be activated, it is just on at all times.
THIS 100000%. You get it. Gege contradicts himself heavy with this chapter and everything he’s shown before. In powerscaling we have to take feats into account, and Sukuna had no feat that suggested he was superior to Gojo. It just was not set up. On top of Sukuna saying a purple would kill him IN HIS INNER MONOLOGUE so there is no reason for him to lie. Then a purple hits him and he offscreens gojo. Like what
This comment is just delusional tbh. Yes Gege showed Gojo winning BUT was Gojo really winning or was Sukuna holding back?? Gege put MUILTIOLE HINTS mid fight showing that sukuna want really going all out. During the domain battle everyone acknowledged that sukuna was taking the riskier routes in the fight. Gojo doubted himself mid fight and even had the Toji “something is off” comment. We also knew sukuna was waiting for mahoragas adaptation but no one expected that sukuna planned on copying the move, we most likely expected mahoraga to be the on killing Gojo, and this is why Gojo said sukuna could do ably beat him without 10S if he can copy what mahoraga did just know he always had the capacity to do that move, but mahoraga simply made it so he didn’t have to go all out and figure it out kid fight. This aside why would you accept that Gojo fights a guy like sukuna and it would be THAT easy, it literally made no sense Sukuna also wasn’t even using his real technique, the whole community just assumed it’s because HE CANT which is something we don’t even know. The people who are mad are 1: fans of Gojo 2: ignored ALL the hints that something was off the entire fight. You can’t say it’s bad writing when you literally ignore all the things the author did to forshadow the outcome.
@@emmanuelomego7080bro didn't get the point
@@emmanuelomego7080 I don't believe this to be the truth. If Sukuna was trying to kill Gojo, and was capable of killing Gojo handily. He would have done so when he had the monstrous advantage of 3 versus 1. Like it cannot even be explained just how insurmountable of an advantage just 2 versus 1 is in a serious combat context between trained and deadly combatants. And Gojo not only clutched the even more dire straits that were the 3 v 1, he eliminated Sukuna's backup and got it down to a 1 v 1.
Sukuna's best chance at landing a "Gotcha" type hit is not here, it is when there are two other incredibly powerful sentient threats occupying Gojo's time and resources during the 3 v 1.
I think one of Gege's missteps here is like you said, that it's hard to see coming. But it's not that Gojo fans are trying to huff up some copium, but that Gege didn't write Sukuna's skillset well enough for the audience to buy that he has any right in winning. Especially when Gojo proved he was nasty enough to fight three extremely powerful Curses all at the same time.
Sukuna smiling is not proof of anything. Gojo clutching a 3 v 1 and not dying somehow is proof of something, and of much more substantial value to the audience.
@@kylefields3951
I am pretty sure he saw the slash coming.
This is because of his six eyes, like you said.
But how would Gojo know that slash would cut through space and thereby himself?
Atleast thats what I think.
Blackbeard taught Sukuna off screen haki 😭
We don’t even see the action of Sukuna releasing the attack. One chapter gojo is smiling and sukuna is leaning on the wall, and the next gojo is cut in half and sukuna is smiling 💀
I have a theory that yuji is gonna absorb gojos left over energy
@@fallen_token The way they animate this is going to be hilarious. People are going to be so confused as to wtf just happened 😂
This is a monstrous comeback! I *have* to give you applause. This is how content creators covering all things comics should handle these situations. For Gojo's survival, we should wait and see. You're right. The subtle way you addressed the fandom's obsession was extremely diplomatic and you earned stripes for that. Let the author write their story. It's supposed to cause an emotional reaction. That's what makes it a good story. Addressing the clues that were littered throughout gives you hella bonus points that other content creators didn't earn for themselves. A lot of jokes are going to stop now, and anyone who lambasted you before will likely drop the issue.
It's true that you can't make everyone happy. But you're also not the author of the series. You can only work with the material you're given and maintain neutrality as you do so. The situation is ever changing. This conflict is already off the rails in the most Gege way. And we all know how Gege is. The harder we try to push the story in a certain direction, the harder he / she will troll us. You could turn this follow-up into a master class on how to cover this sort of material and recover from community backlash. Excellent work!
it's good to see someone who is able to step down and admit that they didn't came to the right conclusion.
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Word. Six is the first I've observed taking this route. There are even bigger channels who took straight to turning on Gege, just fanning the flames. Sure, they're entitled to their opinions, but they're encroaching on libel, which could get them flagged for take downs. Taking a break to cool off was a big brain play by Six. We're not going to love everything along the way, but have to trust the author because that's who knows the ending. Even if Gojo somehow survives, this loss means something. But we have to wait for it to appear.
I hope more content creators learn to follow this example - especially since he opened up the discussion even more in the process. He hit on something that I had said. Gojo would've seen the cursed energy flowing around Sukuna. Something unique happened that wasn't revealed by the black flashback panel showing a Cleave. Gege's being cryptic for good reason, and it's probably going to be important later on. I'm sure we're missing something big about Mahoraga that hasn't been revealed yet.
Nothing says that Mahoraga can pass along it's adaptations, but nothing says that it can't. Also, Hollow Purple washes the detonation area in light before it explodes. Mahoraga can move through shadows, so shadows would've been everywhere when it vanished in those two panels from chapter 235. Those shadows can be on the underside of surfaces, which is how Mahoraga came through the floor on Gojo before. Mahoraga suspiciously took minimal damage from Reverse Red in the building. The panels suggest an adaptation to Limitless Blue, but didn't actually say that. It was worded deceptively because Infinity could've caused the badkfire, and Gojo disabled Blue when he intercepted Mahoraga anyway. Also, Blue hit Agito but didn't actually hit Mahoraga at all. Mahoraga was instructed to adapt to Infinity when it was taking damage from Lapse, and it can only adapt to one type at a time, so it couldn't adapt to Blue while adapting to Infinity.
All of this makes for a strange combination. When Gojo's arm was cut off, I don't think the model was completed in a way that Sukuna could use. Otherwise, he could've ended Gojo at any time after that. But he waited despite having numerous opportunities. Why? He used Piercing Blood at the end when he had Gojo in perfect position to Cleave him. Why get boomed by the Hollow Purple anyway? Something is missing. So, Six making sure to question how was the right way to go. I bet Gege wants us asking questions.
@@JimmyCrackorn not sure what youtubers youve been watching but there are plenty of big JJK ones that have been open minded with the out come from understanding how Sukuna pulled off cleave to the meaning of the "dream" and accepting Gojo off screen. They didnt mention any distaste with Gege simply that the outcome wasnt what they expected.
Ive been watching various types for this chapter 236 from Gojo being dead to Gojo coming back to break downs from the fight to how the students will rival Sukuna. Theres a much better understanding now that we have had the full translation instead of leaks alone. We can say Gojo is officially dead, the students can learn something from observing Gojos fighting techniques and yes Gojo dialogue and off sceen was shitty but Gege is already moving the plot foward, not much we can do.
@@SemekiIzuio I'm not outing anyone because I don't want to disrespect Six by outright mentioning other channels in his comments, and I definitely don't want to spark rivalries between communities. I'm speaking specifically of those who were upset by chapter 236, not those who suspected more to come before chapter 236. I'm going to refrain from encouraging the team Gojo vs team Sukuna thing because I think it's more nuanced than that. Of those who were upset, Six was the first I've seen to reevaluate, take a minute to calm down, and extend an olive branch.
There are a lot of content creators, so I admittedly don't have the same exposure to the range of them as you do. You could've seen others before I have, some I haven't even heard of. So I'm careful not to say the first of all, only the first I've seen. Of those I follow, he's the only one who hasn't called it bad writing, blamed Gege for forgetting stuff, etc, etc. Hell, I predicted this outcome and one of the creators I follow allowed his community to dogpile and flame me for weeks. He's got a huge channel, and I went back solely to call him out on it before unsubscribing. But Six made peace, so full switch. I'll go with the diplomatic creator any day.
Some things will make us sour, but that's what makes us appreciate them. Six earned my respect by using that instead of rejecting it. In truth, we like imperfect things because they give us problems to solve so that we aren't bored. A great writer knows how to intentionally disappoint everyone in some way, then tie it all together in the end.
It was how i expected... including sukuna domain of jujutsu to overpower gojo defense. BUT...
The gojo character destruction in this chapter... that dont went well. Gege destroyed the character in 1 chapter, killed him offscreen. I dont even wanna know how Yuji will end... Gege hate Yuji too.
Finally FOLKS THE VIDEO WEVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR
my bad gang. Also you had first comment!
The one indeed...
honestly, this was a beautiful break down of the whole fight
Sukuna literally created a hit box and said "anything in this space gets cut." As crazy as it sounds, Infinity is a pretty simple thing to get through if you really think about it. Yes, it stops anything from getting NEAR gojo but it doesnt necessarily stop him from getting HIT. If you can just HIT gojo infinity is useless. He's as durable as any other human he just has mega regeneration if the hit doesnt kill him. So when you HIT him, make that hit count and boom fights done.
Underrated comment 🔥
Cook again
I always knew from the first moment we saw those eyes
He is sans undertale
He is FAR more durable than the normal human, that statement is crazy
@@afewthreads1460 nah he isn’t. Be realistic here. Have you genuinely not noticed how much damage gojo takes when u actually hit him? Man literally go his throat cut out (young gojo but still). The guy literally got murdered. By a guy. With a KNIFE. That’s all it took.
Peak fight... but the end of the fight feels like Gege stabbed us in the back.
No one can deny how impressive Gojo looked in the fight, and for all of that be almost debunked in 1 chapter is frustrating.
Think about it this way. If Gojo had not said that Sukuna was pretty much stronger than him, most of us would have came to the conclusion that they were somewhat equal with Mahoraga being the deciding factor. NOW you have Gojo's very own words working against you if you have that opinion.
Gege just shit on the story
Gojo was being humble IMO. If Mike Tyson said Buster Douglas was the better fighter would anybody realistically look at their two careers and come to that same conclusion?
@@GodKiller97 Gojo? Like the idea, but don't excuse the trash execution.
I think it's less Gojo "glazing" Sukuna as many have taken it. Gojo finally got to go all out and play, he pushed his technique to its utmost limit. Sukuna spent pretty much the entire fight having to use someone else's CT to find a way around Gojo's Infinity. He didn't get to go all out like Gojo finally got to and Gojo feels bad for him bc of that
Sukuna and Gojo are not even close to being equal. Sukuna was dominating most of the fight
RIP my 7th favorite white haired character
13:11 He held back because it's not a normal 1v1 .
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If Gojo beat Sukuna then that's the end of it. If Sukuna beat Gojo he still has to fight the next challenger(s). I think it was Kukasabe who said that in the chapter, I'm too lazy to check but I just wanted to say that cos it's one of the things that irked me about your video. Not bad overall though, I liked your take on why Gojo shouldn't have regrets despite the loss.
I think what Gojo ment hen he said Sukuna didn't give it his all was that he didn't push him to come up with something on the fly, he didn't make deviate from his original plan, cuz when Gojo said he gave it his all he mentioned something about his quick thinking
Great vid broski. I agree with the characterization of Gojo section completely
"Somehow Sukuna returned"
please stop lmao
honestly you bringing up that gojo is sukuna's "toji" is helping me cope a lot better
Yeaaaa run that back lil boy🗣🗿🗣🗿
In all seriousness I respect yall and the goat, Gg's.
Really like your takes on Gojo's character as well. W video
When Kenjaku the one that spent every era fighting 6eyes even told Gojo”You really think you beat Sukana”. When Sukana wasn’t even in his 20-fingers form was foreshadowing Gojo defeat. Gojo even started the fight at 120%. Sukana is the king of curses that fought for his position in THE GOLDEN ERA. Everytime Gojo died or got captured was because he was living through the title of “the strongest”.
On the latest chapter we found out Gojo really didn’t understand why he was the strongest or who he was outside of his 6eyes
I’ve been saying what you said repeatedly about the 120% thing. Also Sukuna isn’t one to misjudge things and in the first encounter I’m sure Sukuna says he’d slam Gojo
Gojo started the fight with 120% PURPLE. Not his other stats. Just that move. It's made clear by even Sukuna when he says he tanked because he was in perfect condition and it was far.
golden era doesn't mean much tbh, even jogo was stated to be worth more than the people that sukuna fought in the 1000 year of his life
@@Sovereign7767 So you saying jogo that was high being worth being 4-6 fingers sukana was stronger than 80-90% of the golden era? I seen that statement by kenjaku to hype up jogo to further his own plans. The golden era go mean much when every reference to Sukuna was in 20 finger form
“Wait until I got over all of my rage”
Real and true 😭
The Quality Allready went downhill after the domain battles, in my humble Opinion.
Been knowing you ever since you hopped on the Naruto debates with Swag and (redacted) the programmer. The way you analyzed sukunas mindset prior to and during the fight earned a sub from me for sure. Amazing interpretation!
😂😂😂straight off the bat we as the audience are seeing the fight through Gojo's eyes most of the time.... take it as something that was soo sudden even he didnt have time to react which kinda makes sense cz he was shocked to be in the afterlife after clearly being on top at the end of 235 ...i think that was the effect gege was going for.....
The thing about this chapter I don't like is how goio says he wouldn't have beaten sukuna even if he didn't have ten shadows even though we know that's just not the case
It is the case because Gege made it so.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 you have to be illiterate
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350That’s contradictory to the fight without the 10s sukuna wouldn’t know this space cutting slash, I doubt he would’ve found a way out of UV🤷🏽
@@Raptor727 No it isn't contradictory it's been stated even by gojo's companions that sukuna had trump cards and even Gojo questioned why Sukuna was only using the ten shadows and not his own techniques, it's not about what you doubt it's confirmed by the creator of the series and Gojo admitted Sukuna is stronger there's no discussion to be had.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 it still is contradictory to what happened in the fight, sukuna limited himself to using those techniques because his normal moves wouldnt be able to get through limitless. Thats the entire reason he needed to use mahoraga so he could use it as a base line to adapt to limitless and win, without that he cant do so.
The minute you realize that domain clash aside this wasn’t a Gojo vs Sukuna fight, it was Gojo vs “Fully Realized” Megumi.
Had a blast with the fight but damn Gojo is half the man he used to be coming out of this fight(sorry had to do it).
Even though it’s not completely relevant I love how Kashimo didn’t even let Gojo’s body hit the ground before he arrived on the scene. Gotta love his “I got next” energy.
He really saw the strongest sorcerer in the modern era get murked and said “Don’t disappoint me”😂.
why sukuna didn't use megumi domain expansion ?
Nicely explained
Actually the best interpretation of the fight I’ve seen, props dude 🔥
Honestly i loved the fight, i even like the ending. But im also not a salty fan boy 💀 Cant wait to see where Gege goes!
Thinking back now, go back and look at the panel where Gojo asks Geto if they should kill everyone in the room while he's holding riko's corpse.. right then and there is the moment where all paths diverged
Imo he died in the last panel in 235 where it says he wins. Wide eyes as if surprised, same with facial expression even his hair is moved back as if something just passed him going fast. It doesn't even show his lower part of his body where he got sliced. I don't think it was off screened. Mahoraga is super fast slices so it would be instant. Also some one that is supposed to be dead wasnt there.
I think him “Going North” might’ve been a metaphor for a new six eyes user being born
I cant exactly say i was surprised with the outcome but i will say i completely agree with you on how they did it. Reading the chapter was pretty jarring going from week to week. And even rereading afterwards going from the panel of Gojo Wins to Gojo in the afterlife is strange.
Sakuna was holding back.That is the reason gojo was winning this far
@@Lizardgreininja47449 what part of my comment did you misunderstand?
@@Lizardgreininja47449 Sounds cope. Sukuna holding back should not be fearing for his life or summoning 2 partners to help him. Holding back implies that he can win without full powers, so why is he at all concerned? The writing simply doesn't make sense. Everyone knew Gojo would lose this fight, but it is not written in a believable way.
nice video i agree with everything u said except for me in chapter 238 it was clear for me that sukuna hiean era would destroy gojo in at mex 2 domain clashes and he even win the fight with the first domain clash if he just keep enchanting his domain sure hit and go hitting gojo with 4 arms with domain amp i dont see gojo living this cause when sukuna won first clash gojo needed to use 100% of his RCT to keep up with sukuna domain but with enchating sukuna would buff the effect 120% so even with 100% RCT gojo cant keep up the pace with sukuna engaging on him and qith the komutoki and its mass do big dmg it will be brutal fight this is why ifeel gege didnt want to let sukuna hiean era body fight gojo cause it will not be even fair with all my respect to gojo but it was stated by the other sukuna in 4 arms is perfection beyond any sorcerer
This video was a phenomenal point of view of chapter 236.
Idk what ppl wanted to see. Gojo standing there and then falling in half? Sukuna attacks are invisible
smoking dat gojo pack
In retrospect, I think it comes down to the strategy. Gojo fought under the "gotta kill it fast" impression, and in the end, not only that allowed Sukuna to get what he wanted by recieving his jujutsu repeatedly. Sukuna stalled for time cause he needed it to get his upgrade. Had Gojo stalled, it'd be a matter of if the oportunity for a one-first-hit-kill would ever arrive, and if not it'd be at best a stalemate. Personally, I'd think it'd be best if they had killed each other, and then Kenjaku was the guy to deal with from now on. Considering that on top of it all Sukuna now has a tech that can go through the best defense nobody else has, I'm not sure how he can be dealt with in a way that makes sense. Unless he has a timelimit on it, or smt, now that Mahoraga has (presumably) been destroyed. He also has some jujutsu that's supose to be someone elses, like the piercing blood thing. Wonder how that fits into this whole thing.
How could gojo have stalled?
@@rohanking12able His main advantage is being unreacheable, so bob and weave. He could've not used blue to boost his strikes too, that would've at least slowed down the adaptation. The main unkown factor with that would wether using infinite exclusively as a defensive measure would still proc the adaptation, or if being hit by domex is necessary. However the case, the longer the fight, the bigger Sukuna's advantage gets. Mahoraga's adaptation doesn't seem to stop at any point, from Sukuna's explanation, it progresses with it's limit in the infinite relative to how much data it has. So giving it as little data as possible while looking for gaps, or forcing it indirectly, seems to be the better strategy. Not that it matters much now, cause it seemed half the shikigamis were flat out desintegrated on the fight, so unless he can somehow straight up pheonix down them b*tches, it's just Sukuna with not-quite-10-shadows now. Wich is also not impossible, who knows what else that mofo has on his (metaphorical) sleeves.
@@sukitta2 I just don't see how you can win that way that's just a slow death.
@@rohanking12able It'd be swortta like the Loen Edwards vs Kamaru Usman fight, if you watch MMA. UFC, in this case. Tho in that particular case I believe it was more a lucky strike that landed, it might have been a strategy from Edwards part. And yes, it is quite possible that it would've been just a slow death, it depends on how much Sukuna really is above Gojo, wich from the last chapter, he still has new tricks to show. Maybe in the end, this boss just has too many hp to be defeated by a single person.
@@sukitta2 yea it's just bad writing. Gojo had no choice but to fight so there's no real option to let Sakuna just kill him slowly while maha just interacts with infinity. Unless he got back up but then what maha negs them? Sakuna had the biggest advantage you could have in a fight. Forced attrition
Nah, I’m sorry, gojo losing is wrong. You can’t write a fight to be so overwhelmingly one sided, with gojo throwing sukuna around, constantly having him about to die, and then turn around and say “sukuna wasn’t giving it his all.” That’s inconsistent narrative. Same with this idea that sukuna didn’t need mahoraga to beat gojo, that simply isn’t true. Mahoraga saved sukuna from certain death in multiple occasions, gojo literally knocked him out at one point. And sukuna wouldn’t have found a way to cut gojo without mahoraga. It’s way more realistic to say that gege just got fed up with the character. That’s just bad writing. I don’t mind that he died, gojo NEEDED to die, but he should never have lost the fight. Would have made way more sense that in his weakened state, kenjaku back stabs him or someone else pins him or something. From the INCEPTION of his character, gojo was meant to be the strongest. This is just bad writing
The point at the end about sukuna not going all out kinda reminds if ssj2 goku vs majin vegeta. But that fight wasn't completely one sided regardless of goku holding back
@@thefool6985DBZ is not good example cause it a horrible show and I love DBZ. JJK ain’t DBZ
@@brandonjablasone7544i think he meant like he's just holding back with a trump card bro.
@@bfuryy yea I compared the 2 different fights because learning the Goku and sukuna were holding back sours the fight for me. Especially after seeing gojo dogwalk sukuna for 9 chapters straight
@@thefool6985 yeah, there wasnt a point in time where vegeta had goku essentially dead, and that happened several times with gojo and sukuna. some people are saying that its because "sukuna cuoldnt use his techniques because of infinity" but that just doesnt sit well with me at all. For one, I see cleave and dismantle as pretty much the same concept as infinity. the ability to instantly bisect anyone who stands in front of you is as negating as no one being able to touch you. there's just no fighting that, its brain dead. infinity was "carrying gojo" so that sukuna couldnt use his techniques because without infinity, you just die LOL. Second, it seems like a huge reach that the fan base is making to say that THAT is what gojo meant. Much more reasonable answer is that gege is petty, or lazy, or got tired of gojo or all three.
Now sukuna even has another form he never used shown in the leaks bro really was holding back crazy kashimo the goat gotta pull up thou
My problem with this fight is Sukuna's winning with this world cutting slash that comes out of nowhere when almost every other part of the fight is built upon information we've been given throughout the story... and most of the the cast being reduced to glorified commentator for the whole scene with so much panel dedicated to them dissecting the fight, that's quite the new brand of talk no jutsu here.
sukuna's space slash was not coming nowhere dude.He started learning that technique when maho slashed gojo's hand.And at the end of the fight sukuna fully understood that and enlinghtened.And once he has that op slash he one shotted gojo.Even gojo have returned as many gojo fans wish sukuna will still slash him since his space slash was like 4th dimensional slash.
@@HusLaeAung I admit the final cut was well built up in the span of the fight, it's just that all other part were built upon information we already had given to us bit by bit throughout the whole story so the contrast was a bit jarring.
in the words of a very wise man "Stand proud, you're strong"
gege hate gojo why would he revive him ? what a fake hope people make for them self to feel good ......
Excellent take
This fight must have been so hard to write on a technical standpoint! I'm really satisfied with the conclusion, even though I'm a hardcore Gojo fan. 😅
I hated them killing gojo I am not happy lol but Ik they won’t bring him back idk if they can after having already revived him once.
In my opinion I still think that Gojo is stronger than Sukuna physically but Sukuna’s knowledge, adaptation & preparation for the fight gave him the edge.
I feel the fight was “The Greatest Sorcerer vs The Strongest Sorcerer”
You know….
Yuta is a long distance relative to Gojo, meaning he could be considered a recipient of the Six Eyes👀
dosen't work like that..
Not a half bad theory lol
Everyone forgot that gojo has teleportation.He can easily escape from the open domain and dodge any attack coming at him by reading the flow of CE and spark with his six eyes.
Gege purposefully didn't make gojo use teleportation in this fight.
Gojo has already seen mahoraga's slash that cut off his arm.Sukuna copied the same technique,six eyes should have figured out the what that technique is but gege just offscreened the death.
He did that so he don’t have to explain it. Asspull
I like this video a lot Mr. Six
I leave it as gojo was so strong he had to be offscreenen for us to believe the lose
I actually kinda like not seeing the hit, i think it makes the ease at which the attack came more apparent then anyway of showing it. I think the idea is that once sukuna expanded the technique, then gojo just lost. That there wasn't a counter play plausible by gojo once it expanded thus he's done away with just so easily that it wasn't "worth" seeing
That's not the problem. The dude needed 10 shadows then they say he just wanted it
Couldn't we get atleast a bit struggle to fight against this evolved sukuna instead we just have gojo probably looking at the spark of dismantle and stood there like "It won't hit me" then dies even though the six eyes will probably tell him that it will hit him.
@@lorhengleap5300 i honestly don't think there could have been a struggle at all regardless if I'm reading this evolution correctly, I think it truly would have been as quick and easy as essentially a snap of the finger and it's over and I think off screening that conveys that better then seeing it imo.
@misterunlovely If it isn't dodgeable then idk what the rest gonna do
@@lorhengleap5300 if I'm reading it right, then it's technically dodgeable, just not at all plausible if you don't know precisely how it works which gojo couldn't have known or predicted in anyway. I'm thinking from here it's gonna be a bit of an Intel game for everyone to figure out the limits of this expanded technique and probably a lot of death in the process and then yuji being given said Intel to have a go at a sukuna who's relatively weakened from everything, but that's just a guess
Hopefully we get some kind of flashback of what happened from kashimos POV while mid fight or smth like that
Sukuna has always been the strongest
Brooo noo, the offscreen dead is actually genius. From the end scene of chapter 235 and the starting panels of chapter 236, you can easily assume what has happened moments before Gojo wakes up to his dead best friend in an airport. Sukuna clearly landed a surprise attack and Gojo is clearly pissed about it. It was a beautiful way for Satoru Gojo to go out.
3:00 Saving the attack that defeated Gojo for later is a GIGANTIC risk but can pay off if executed properly. I like it when storytellers take risk. It makes the story memorable.
We're only getting glimpses. It's torment because we don't have a complete view, and it branches across chapters. Gege's messing with us, but it's working. I wonder what the next clue is going to be, and when it's going to come.
Sorry bro I still dont get it.
It was expected from the start that gojo would lose. Of course he would, there would be no point to "fear" a already known to be weaker than Satoru, Kenjaku. The problem for me tho is, summed with getting offscreened, Gojo glazing over Sukuna to the point of forgetting that its Megumi whos suffering with the King, also Kenjaku with Getos body. Mf couldnt save his student nor getos body and in his last conscious moments hes talking about no regrets. Either way, im curious about Hajimes CT.
The slash was basically a “purple”.
I was mad gojo died but the off screen kill was for respect I feel.
I think the fact that we don't see the attack that ended Gojo is just Gege being consistent. Gojo died the exact same way Jogo did. He was in the afterlife before he even knew what hit him. There might be meaning in that, which we don't know yet.
For people he respects he gives them a cool final cutscene
the honored 1/2 😭😭
😢 why can' t people see this, only if gojo used a binding vow in the second domain clash. If gojo gave up his sure hit effect to make the barrier of his domain stronger in the second domain ckash immediately after sukuna used his binding vow. Then that changes everything gojo would have tied with sukuna and would not have lost to sukuna intact the change in the outcome of the entire fight . And I think that gojo would have won .And I think gege knew this that is why gege didn' t allow this happen because he wanted sukuna to win
How are people still confused by the Sukuna holding back statement. He literally has to fight like 10 more people after Gojo. Hakari, Mei Mei, and Kusakabe all stated this.
I think you're the one who doesn't understand. Sukuna was going all out, he just didn't use his other cursed techniques because they would have been useless against Infinity. But now since everyone else doesn't have Infinity, Sukuna has the freedom to chose whichever technique he wants
@@mrplatinum5987 No, you don't understand. Sukuna not going all out was specifically mentioned when Mei Mei, kusakabe, and Hakari pointed out that he has more fights ahead. Until we see Sukuna's full ct we won't know if he had something else to get through infinity or not.
I was waiting for this one
if you go to chapter 118(I think that was it) Sukuna thanks Megumi for showing him a way, pressumably talking about how to defeat Gojo seeing Mahoraga is how he defeated him, and since we won't have an oficial answer and I want to keep my will to live up, I'll keep thinking he can't win against Gojo without the 10 shadows
Gojo beat Sukuna but lost to gege. Simple as that
So delusion ?
Exactly Gege is Gojos biggest hater.
Exactly
@sonicwithglasses131 No. I like both the same and thought at the beginning sukuna would win. Gojo did win but gege needed to get him out of the story I feel. Its hard to have tension in a story with someone like gojo around
I'm not sure how sukuna managed to blitz gojo and his 6 eyes so bad that he got cut in half while he was winning till that point than again he did get cut by mahoraga before so maybe mahoraga has some insanely fast attacks even gojo's 6 eyes can't follow
As Stan Lee once said "the writer decides the winner".
At the end of the day you have Sukuna fans happy, Gojo fans angry, and it's all because of a fiction series lol. Gojo fans, this was a very poorly written fight ending, get over it, it's just a manga not real life lol
Lmao for the first half the subtitles were saying the exact opposite of what you were saying. You said you have come to like it overtime and the subtittles said you cant accept it lmfao. Thats genius actually.
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Basically what I interpreted from Sukuna’s expiation is that Mahoraga adapts over time and improves the adaptation, when Mahoraga used sukunas power to cut gojo’s arm he didn’t hit infinity but space where gojo’s arm was and it got cut off. Then seeing this Sukuna himself learned how to do it and apply his cursed technique to space itself, then when Sukuna was on his last legs he caught Gojo off guard, by slashing the space where Gojo stood and Satoru got cut in half because of that
Ngl, I had thought that for Gojo's ideals to be realized, he would have to lose for his students to win.
Like I said somewhere else, this is Madara 2.0.
Gojo was too powerful for the plot and he rightfully proved it during the fight with Sukuna, anyone who read it immediately knows that Gojo was dominating the fight and even the narration supported it and then, out of nowhere and off screen, Gojo dies and even says Sukuna was stronger!
Gege was cornered with the story from the very second Gojo was made as strong as he was and decided go get rid of Gojo no matter how dumb or contradictory it was.
But nothing has changed, instead of Gojo, its Sukuna that corner Gege the same exact way.
finally dude 😭
This fight, like many other things in life, can be viewed as a glass half lower body or half upper body
People saying Gojo’s character was “assassinated” is just insane. Even more so when all the people saying that are Gojo fans 😭
Yo kaiyo, how do you think the rest of the cast gonna be able to fight sukuna after he just one shot gojo? Like that final attack feels a little to powerful…
And what does that should mean? It's a tragedy for the story nonetheless. Now Power system that Gege has created is shattered. Gojo was already cut on by the cleave, in DE of Sukuna. And it was useless. Now it's new cut that for some reason ignores that in DE technique is stronger anyway.
Can someone please explain to me, how Sukuna was able to do all this nonsense with Megumi's soul in the fight? Because from my understanding, this contradicts everything that we knew about soul = body and vice versa.
This really did feel like Gege writing himself into a corner, trying to outdo himself, and then in typical, Gege-esque fashion, overcomplicating not only what could have been a simple explanaition, but taking completely unnecessary route in this fight for a shock value and some plot shenanigans.
So, my questions are, how was Sukuna able to:
1) transfer damage from the previously established brain attacking sure-hit to a soul inside the body he possesses.
2) Seperate during domain clashes his soul and Megumi's body from Megumi's soul, so that his specific CT, imbued into domain, does not protect him, even though it's stated, that his sure affect does not affect him inside the domain, but still, he is fine and Megumi is not.... when the soul is the body and the body is the soul....
3) Summon Mahoraga twice without hand signs, and only doing non verbal incantation once... without confirming if it was due to some binding vow, no... it's just plot.
This is the worst part of the fight in my opinion, necause how CRUCIAL it is to the ovaerall conclusion it was and how utterly dumb it is when you try to understand it.
Not only it is written in the most Gege-esque, confusing way, but it's also not gratifying when you figure this shit out, because it makes no goddamn sense.
If you actually thought Gojo was gonna end the series in his first actual fight with Sukuna you're delusional. I always assumed he'd lose but at the very least set the stage for Yuji. You know, the protagonist lol
If overcoming the technique which killed Gojo is going to be essential to defeating sukuna, then it makes sense that it wasn’t shown on panel
Nobody has a chance if he just takes a rest
I mean still, they could have shown the end of the fight proper. Ending such a fight by skipping the final blow, that was bad. I don't know why they did it.
Did you read 237..... Gojo's efforts went for naught
I think “holding back” is just the wrong verbiage to use. As far as we know, the moves he held back aren’t viable against Infinity.
Holding back implies Sukuna had a way around infinity but intentionally didn’t use it - which again, as far as we is absolutely false.
Also off-screening the most popular character, the best RCT user not being able to heal when there’s multiple statements implying he should be able to, giving Sukuna an outright broken ability to beat a character the author openly dislikes, thus creating a character so strong (Was Gojo, and now it’s Sukuna) that plot dictates he must be killed or removed from the story but there isn’t seemingly any way to do it without it feeling like it wasn’t given enough thought.
1.9 repeating and 2 actually are the same number.
1/3 = 0.3 repeating.
Multiply both by 3
3/3 = 0.9 repeating.
1 = 0.9 repeating.
Add 1
2 = 1.9 REPEATING
Time for gojos space-TIME abilities to show up🙂🙂
they wont, hes dead as fuck and will never ever in a trillion years return
Gege killed off his own version of Superman 🤦🏿♂️🙄
im not exactly sure gojo was referring to his life when saying jujutsu sorcerers can die without regrets. i though he was referring to nanamis experience
Does anyone know the song at the start?
If every Cursed energy attack has a spark, And gojo can see cursed energy, How was he hit again? How did he not feel the spark of cursed energy being used? I dont care who won or lost, I dont even read jjk like that. I just want the plot to make sense 🤨
It will not. The more you will think about it, the more power system will be crushed into pieces, now normal attacks are stronger then amped by DE attacks, and character wasn't using it at the best tyme when Gojo was casting red. Instead of unsummoning Maho, he just was screaming for Maho to help, and then use water against red. Asspull from nowhere.
@@ghouluoshe8001 I find it strange because literally up until this point, We've been expanding on all aspects of Jujitsu. Barriers, Heavenly Restrictions and Binding vows. My personal head cannon to correct this chapter would be to have Sakuna make some kind of vow that only activates after his domain is destroyed. That way the whole "You were always holding back" bullshit makes sense and gives Gojos death something backed by something we've consistently seen in the series
Dosent his new slash pretty much spawn the slash on the target, no mattre what, inside them ect?
It's weird no one what this might mean for the main character....because the Manga has one
i mean reread the fight everything Sukuna was doing makes so much sense.
Just Pissed that's it😢
Sukuna ain't beating Gojo without Mahoraga none of his own techniques like shrine, the secret open ct or even yorozu's gift would work cuz of infinity & we seen how a Domain Battle goes & Gojo was still winning the whole fight until the very last chapter so Gojo would honestly mid-high diff Sukuna if he doesn't have 10 Shadows or a vessel
I knew it was over for Gojo when that fire extinguisher got yeeted at him💀 keep up the good work six
No way that's the move that showed you how the fight would end
@@sixfromtokyo That wasnt Sukuna that threw it. That was Gege💀
@@maliklofton9148 LOL
@@SlickEvan I felt the pettiness in that panel🤣
@@maliklofton9148 everyone talking about how sukuna had a 3v1 advantage. But it was really a 4v1 with the help of fire extinguisher-san.
Respect to Sukuna, he will talk shit before and whilst fighting you, but by the end of the fight, if he sees you as strong he will commend you for that, such as with Jogo and right now with Gojo.
10 shadows
He's like a fighting game player
@rohanking12able gojo said he don’t need that you can cope lmao
@@Xeno1_3You people have no critical thinking. They’re literally praising each other out of respect at the end of their fight. But we the audience know for a fact that Sukuna only has DE and 10s to actually get Gojo
@@jeremiahp5634u didn't read the manga gojo stated himself it wouldn't be easy even without 10s sukuna only speed up the process lol
His whole life he’d always been treated as the concept of “the strongest”, in the end Gojo‘s character comes full circle. Surrounded by loved ones he spends his final moments not as “the strongest”, but as Satoru Gojo, the human, friend to many, loved by many more
Still the 2 strongest after Sukuna But also a Teacher, a friend.
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж You mean Mahoraga. Gojo wiped the floor with regular old Sukuna. If I beat Magnus Carlsen in a chess match with Stockfish helping me out, that doesn't make me better than Magnus.
@justlurkin horrible exemple, sukuna fought mostly alone, mahoraga didnt give a speed dura strength CT or output amp, it was the opposite as sukuna had to take dumb damage and even held back even more than he was already to adapt mahoraga and even then weakned gojo and sukuna wher superior to him, he didnt even adapted in a way sukuna could use so sukuna itself had to figure it out on its own and decide what to do, so literally while helding back, restricted, and in a far weaker body than his old one still beated gojo, and tanking everything gojo throw at him, so no, sukuna>gojo, literally stated that even without 10 shadows sukuna>him😂so there's no point in arguing
@@giovannieriksandu2432Don't waste Ur time man. These gojotards are gonna come up with insane copium even after sukuna beat the allegations. Let him have their own idea. If they want to believe their opinion then they can don't waste Ur time
@@justlurkinno matter how many punches you throw if you got knocked out you lose.
this was singlehandedly one of the most toxic anime community events of all time
But ALSO one of the most entertaining
Also brought out some of the funniest memes and agendas
Yes. Like the biggest I’ve seen in recent years.
Also it’s exposing people who don’t understand character writing more complex than Naruto
@@Zypixer malfunctioning shrine meme made me spit out my food when I first saw it.
@@SenatorWOOMY-xi9hl them mahodaddy memes were absolutely pure gold man, so hilarious
Nah, Sukuna "feared death for the first time" admited that hollow purple could be fatal to him, just for Gege state that he was holding back, and he could have beaten Gojo without 10S, while the whole thing that made him survive the fight AND his final strike was ALL 10S. Honestly, idk what Gege was thinking him, but I trust him and I still think he is cooking something. This does NOT feel right. Big plot twist incoming.
Look at it how Toji did. Toji was being cautious. Sukuna was probably doing the same. Toji foreshadowed a lot
@@dominicwoodford5711 Im not mad at all that Gojo died, he needed to, and I expected that he would since the beggining, but this was pure bs. Toji was being cautious but he did go all out and never feared anything on the first round, because HE KNEW HE WAS STRONGER. He only showed nervousness and fear when Gojo learned RCT and the true power of limitless. If Sukuna knew he was still holding back and was stronger from the beginning, why did he admitted that Purple could kill him and got desesperated when Gojo launched red in the sky to make the remote purple? Why did he felt nervous for the first time in a 1000 years? Look, if he had thought all the fight that everyone was under control, even if he was getting his ass beated, this would make sense. Maybe he was testing Gojo. But no. Multiple times he feared, he got nervous, he thought he could lose. And while all that he was holding back? Pure bs. Gege just took the fraudkuna trend personally and wanted to prove everything wrong, but this makes no sense. Sukuna needed to win for the story keep going, but the way Gege writed this ending. Honestly doesnt make any sense. I hope Gege is cooking something because this does not feel right at all.
@@dominicwoodford5711the Toji fit needs to be locked away and guarded at all times.
@@SenatorWOOMY-xi9hl foreal!! 😂
Shit would be crazy if Yuji pulls it out
It was never stated he feared death for the first time. It said he experienced the height of tension for the first time in 1000 years. You gojo stans are even making up your own manga to defend him. Read the manga before commenting on it.
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I like how you explained the "holding back" element. The thing that makes Sukuna extremely dangerous is he is a Genius Jujutsu problem solver. Which makes it likely that even if 10 Shadows was unavailable he would have found another way around the problem that was Gojo's infinity. Would it have been remotely similar? Maybe, maybe not.
Thing is, he had faith in the tool he chose and he played it to the conclusion. And it worked. That does not mean it was impossible for him to put forth another tool to the task and still come out the victor.
I agree. This is what people miss the most. He used Moharaga simply because he had it. If he didn't have it, he would've broke infinity some other way. The attack used was Sukuna's own technique. It wasn't Moharag's. People keep saying that he could have never done it without the 10 shadows. That isn't true.
@@zaerogartorias9890stop lying to yourself for bad writing bruh…you think you are the only one in this ocean of people with a fing brain? Ego crazy lol. No one likes that “should’ve, would’ve, could’ve” nonsense. It’s the fact that during the fight the audience clearly sees sukuna didn’t have something to bypass it and the points that he received dmg or would’ve gotten hurt he used the 10 shadows. You never been in a ball game or argument with someone and they say if they would’ve done this they would win and you would respond “then why didn’t you do it then.” The way some of you guys talk it’s like you do not have real life friends or touch grass bro lol.
I believe it is a stretch to assume that he was going to get past it without Mahoraga. Saying that he was going to do it some other way when sakuna literally says I needed a model on how to do it lets me know that he couldn't on his own. Also I interpret holding back as using things that weren't going to be effective vs. What was
@@ShadeThaArtist Gojo stated he didn't know if he could beat 10 Shadowless Sukuna himself. A stretch? No.
Gojo's infinity has weaknesses. We have seen it be breached by multiple different applications and some things (like poison) were mentioned as possible weaknesses but not explored.
Sukuna WANTED a model for his CLEAVE. He didn't know how to get his primary attack that he spams the whole series past infinity. But he wanted to, and using Mahoraga, he did.
Nowhere does Sukuna state that he needed Mahoraga to win. Only that he used him to win. A subtle, but distinct difference.
@@TyrantofthewindOK you are stating what gojo said, but you are not looking into what the actual attack user says, that he needed a model to bypass infinity. Yes he wanted to do with his technique. The thing is sukuna is a genius at understanding jujutsu sorcery and curse technique. He understood how mahoraga's adaptation works. I don't think any other user of 10S have ever done this or could have done. He understood that mahoraga can provide him that model which he can use to bypass infinity. And he had time to prepare for battle with gojo. Sukuna had used mahoraga before gojo's fight against yorozu, so he definitely knew how to watch mahoraga and use his model. Sukuna wasn't sure of any other way to bypass infinity, but to see mahoraga bypass it. So it's a stretch to consider he could have done it on his own.