i absolutely love the fact that angelica narrates, its purpose is that alexander and eliza are so hurt and distraught that they cant even begin to describe what they’re going through so angelica is their voice
Renee Elise Goldsberry said in an interview that it was Angelica's fate to be the observer of the Hamiltons after she gave him to her sister. (In the play, not real life) And she does such a wonderful job of capturing the moment in the song. Renee talked about how she had just had her second child when she joined the Hamilton cast and this song hit her hard.
This shows a great difference between Washington and Hamilton. Washington was angry that a duel had happened over someone bad mouthing him. Hamilton did not attempt to stop his son from duelling a man who bad mouthed him. Washington placed lives over pride, Hamilton placed pride over life.
It's actually because honor is at sake. Hence the name affairs of honor. Honor was a huge political & social currency at the time of the founding. George Washington also got heated about attacks on his name & character but he just got loud and let off steam. Very few people were on his status level and you could really only duel equals since you would belittle yourself going at some one less than your status and the same goes for the person considered above your status. Also Washington didn't really have to worry about loss of honor. And by the time Hamilton would have known about his son's duel, it was past the time that Hamilton could stop it if Phillip wanted to keep his own honor.
A song that shows this even more is "Let it go" where Washington and Eliza try to convince Hamilton to calm down, this would happen between "Schulyer defeated" and "Cabinet Battle #2"
Washington could afford to ignore affairs of honor, as he had the status and aristocratic rank to be above all that. That wasn't the case with Hamilton or his son.
shooting someone who threw away their shot is technically murder, and it ruins all their honor and reputation. this is why hamilton didn't expect eacker to shoot, but hamilton DID try to stop the duel at first, he at first tried to tell his son to make peace, but when that failed the only thing he could do was throw away his shot, because usually that would stop the duel, as said if they were a man of honor. the duel lasted a few minutes until hamilton (phillip not alexander) started to aim his pistol at the sky, which eacker mistook for him getting ready to shoot him, so he fired and killed him. hamilton TRIED to stop him, and even if he told him not to do it, knowing phillip he probably would've already done it
I wanna point something out, the girl that talked to Philip in the beginning, was the girl that played the "Bullet" and symbolled death. So basically Phillip was talking or flirting with death itself, and you can see the same girl passing a bullet over Hamilton's head in that one scene for shadowing his death. Everyone that is either talking, or even agreeing with death died in the play. [Except for king George.]
Yes, one thing they never teach us in history is that Hamilton's son was also in a duel. It just makes his life feel even more sad. I'm glad we've moved on past duels, but to be fair, most of the time people did not fire in duels, like they say in the earlier song. You show up for your honor, then you end up walking away from it. Eaker firing earlier was moreso a musical thing. If you recall in Take A Break when Eliza and Philip played the piano and counted in French together, Philip always changed the melody on 7. This is a call-back to that. I don't know if it's known for sure, but it's more likely that Eaker saw Philip's arm move and was afraid he was going to shoot him, so he fired. I don't think he was maliciously shooting early with intent to kill. I have to comment on Lin Manuel's performance in It's Quiet Uptown. I personally love it. Some people think it's bad, I think his cry-singing is very effective and highly emotional. I saw Hamilton live in 2019 with a different cast, and the guy playing Hamilton focused more on singing and sounding good. While it was a beautiful performance of the song, it didn't hit me anywhere near as hard as Lin's performance. I think the beauty of musicals is finding that sweet spot between acting and singing, and I think he nailed it here. Also shoutouts to Anthony Ramos for playing two characters who died too young :[ And an extra piece of information: The Hamilton's had multiple children at this point, their second child, a daughter, was so distraught and traumatized by Philip's death that she kind of regressed to a child-like mental state and often did not even recognize her family. I believe after his death they also adopted a boy and named him Philip after their son.
Pretty sure, historically, the duel was actually really awkward! Philip took his father's advice, and refused to raise his pistol to fire after he and Eacker had counted ten paces and faced each other. Eacker followed and didn't shoot either. For the first minute, both men stood, doing nothing, both refusing to shoot. After a minute, Eacker finally raised his pistol, and Philip did the same (probably aiming to yield). as you said, presumably, Eacker thought he'd shoot, and he shot and struck Philip of course,,, can't really have that in a musical, so I'm glad they just had a quick "bad guy shoot innocent kid" and got it over and done with also, i agree. While Lin may not be the best singer in the OBC, his acting is still PHENOMENAL !! (and his rapping ofc)
@@kiwiparfaits no worries!! i was a MASSIVE hamilton fan during 2017-2020 (i still enjoy it, just not crazy about it) so i used to read up a bit on some of the history!! it's sad how little we know about things like this because it's so easy to lose letters and get misinformation :(
I like Lin's performance and think him not being a flawless singer (not bad at all, just onstage with fuckin powerhouse singers) like the rest of the cast just lends itself as characterization for Hamilton, it's like a constant reminder that he is and always was different. I struggle seeing him played any other way, feels like they'd all blend together
This part always punch’s me in the feels, it’s so heart breaking to see a young person die esp. over something so pity. That being said it took my breath away when I saw this live. The music of his heart beat was so loud & when it stopped you could hear a pin drop in that theater, so sad.
The thing you have to understand in a historical context was how seriously a lot of people took their reputation. The phrase "A man's word is his bond" isn't just a platitude. Back then, if rumor got around that you were dishonest, if your word wasn't good, it could be materially damaging. It would affect your ability to make an advantageous marriage, it could affect your children's ability to marry well and function in society. it would affect whether or not tradesmen or business associates were willing to work with you, so if someone disparaged you, it could really do harm to you financially and socially. And, of course, it's impossible to prove a negative. So accusations against someone were sure to travel a lot farther and carry a lot more weight than their defense would. The only way you could really prove yourself the justified party was to say, "See? I'm alive! God wouldn't have let that happen if I weren't righteous and my word good." So it's sort of a holdover from customs of trial by fire or drowning or whatever. So seen in that light, duels made a kind of sense. If you were willing to malign someone, you'd better be confident enough about it to be willing to *stake your life* upon it. And if you were going to accuse someone of maligning you, you'd better be willing to back that up with your life. However, sometimes the insult wasn't worth it. Which is why one accepted resolution of a duel was to fire into the air, basically saying, "Yeah, I still think you're wrong, but it's not worth killing you over. We both showed up, ready to back our words with our lives, so we're both honorable and let's call it a day." This play doesn't give us much context as to how what exactly Phillip's opponent said about Hamilton, but it makes it seem like it was a pretty trivial insult and not really worth calling out Eeker (I'm not sure about the spelling of that). Hamilton encouraging Phillip to throw away his shot seems to signify that the insult was petty, and that Phillip was just being a hothead (like his father, really.) Which makes his death even more tragic because ultimately whatever damage Eeker did to Hamilton's reputation may not have been serious enough to be worth killing or dying for. However, yeah, firing before the count completed was a big no-no. I don't know if Eeker actually did that or if it was just in the play, but if he actually did it, he could be guilty of murder, depending on the laws in the jurisdiction. Even if he wasn't found guilty of murder, you can bet his reputation would be complete mud afterward.
“The moments when you’re in so deep, it feels easier to just swim down.” That line hits me so hard EVERY time. Grief comes in many forms and not just from death. Many of us can relate to that feeling for an innumerable number of reasons. It just touches a place very deep inside. I also heard Lin Manuel Miranda give an interview where someone asked what he says to Phillipa Soo as they turn to walk away at the end of the song. He said he asked if she was ok because he knew about the recent death of a family member and he was worried that the scene was too much. The filming of the movie was done over two days of live performances and then a third day where they came in and did all of the close up shots where a camera had to be on the stage with them. So this scene had to be filmed 3 times and Lin Manuel was very concerned for Phillipa’s well being at that point.
Yes duels are stupid and petty. At this point most people considered them barbaric, and were illegal in most of the states. Both duels, this one and the one hamiltion himself dies in, were entirely avoidable if either party did not have the ego the size of a blimp. It should also be noted that most people didn't actually shoot to kill in these. Aiming off to the side was fairly common.
Interesting historical fact: Philip was brought to the home of his aunt, Angelica, after the duel and it is where he died. Also: The Hamilton family pistols were rigged with hair triggers (though neither Philip nor George actually shot for a minute or so after the count--they were both determined to shoot second).
A little something I've been reading about Philip's funeral is that Alexander was so struck with grief that he had to be held up when approaching the grave I can't imagine how sad it must be to lose a child. Oh and btw the duel didn't happen like this it was legit and he didn't actually shoot too early.
When my brother died (ALS), my mother was able to stand. But I'll never forget her voice as she looked down at him in the casket & said, "it's not supposed to be like this. Children should not go first."
I know I’m late but I Rea wanted to tell you why Philip says “ I’m sorry for forgetting what you taught me”, he says it because he and Eliza used to count to ten in French while playing the piano. He thought that he miss counted and that the count to 10 had already happened but he barely counted to 7
Two things about this part of the musical. 1; Eliza and Angelica are both already wearing black because they’re in mourning about Peggy, who died a few months before Philip. 2; when the music stops when Eliza and Philip are singing, all that’s left are beats that mimic a heart. When the beat stops, Philip is dead. Bonus edit* at the end of Its Quiet Uptown the stage goes to a blackout and you see Philip watching over everything that’s happening.
@@meganrmt Phillip Hamilton wasn’t on stage after he died until the last number so what you saw wasn’t Phillip on the surround it was actually Washington on it
Fun fact: But in real life, Eacker didn’t cheat. He didn’t actually shoot early at 7. They got to 10, but were unsure what to do. So Philip aimed his pistol at the sky, and George Eacker shot him in defense.
In the actual dual he didnt shoot prematurely btw, they stood around for like ten minutes before philip raised his gun and eacker, scared he'd get shot, shot him
This is why duels started getting outlawed. And just because duels were legal in Jersey; didn’t mean consequences weren’t felt. This is also how family grudge matches could happen and endless duels.
This isn’t 100% accurate because Eacker didn’t fire at seven. In real life they both actually stood there for a minute in place after the count to ten. Both men were determined to shoot second apparently. Eventually Eacker and Philip both raised their pistols. Eacker then made a shot that was fully within the rules of dueling. Eacker died a few years later of Tuberculosis.
The shot at seven was more meant to represent Phillip’s life being cut short, he couldn’t count to ten, plus there is the earlier motif of Phillip changing the piano line at 7
This (Quiet Uptown) is my favorite song of the whole play. Thw song and the way it's sung catch me in the feels every time I hear it. Also, the personal behind the scenes story about the song and what it means to the cast is so touching.
yeah a lot of duels were super petty. the point though was defending your honour (or the honour of someone you cared about who the other person insulted). shooting to the sky was a standard result - it was essentially saying "I dont want to fight you, let's negotiate rationally", and if you shot someone who chose to throw their shot then your reputation is screwed. it makes you a coward, shooting someone who's essentially unarmed. and if the point is to defend your honour, then any sane person would choose not to shoot. pretty ironic though that hamilton recommended his own son to throw away his shot after his whole life goals
The genius and care… the Bullet sending Philip to his death, the recurrence of the Ten Duel Commandments chord progression (like in Take a Break) foreshadowing his death.
I love the call back to une deux trois quatre cinq six sept huit neuf . . . And the parallel to the 10 duel commandments . . . Then the heartbreaking Sept huit . . . Unfinished count with mom. Gah. Sept huit is a sad line. Seven eight is when Eaker shot.
I think dueling actually was illegal in New Jersey, but you couldn't get hanged for it, so men would row across the Hudson, have their duel and go back home. A lot of stuff about dueling was sort of performative: you would make a big show of showing up for the duel and then firing into the air, to prove that you weren't a coward, but that you weren't about to kill someone, either. Nowadays we just sue people. 😉
The infections were actually a bigger killer in duels than bullets. A "simple" through-and-through could be survived, but the clothing one wore introduced dirt and foreign matter into the wound, which would lead to infections that were near-impossible to treat.
Historically eeker never cheated the firing of the gun was an accident. Both Hamilton and eeker waited for the other to fire whilest holding both guns In the air. Eeker got exhausted and whilest he was lowering his gun he accidentally pulled the trigger, the round bounced off a rock and then hit Phillip. Lin perfectly put that with having Philip get shot at 7. That being that it was an accidental firing. George eeker didn’t want to kill the young Hamilton child and vice versa.
A lot of people don't seem to understand the context of the time period. There was a great deal of ceremony, ritual and tradition in dueling. While it was becoming more and more illegal at this point in time, it was still a part of the culture and something that could ruin a person if they refused to take part. The allegations would be seen by society as being true because the person was not willing to fight against it. *Especially* if you're the one to make the challenge. By the rules of their society, Phillip had to go to the duel. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it how they thought at the time? Sadly, yes.
This is one of the most changed parts to fit the story instead of following real history that they do in the play. In the real duel, Eaker did not shoot before the count of ten. In fact, both men actually stood there for a bit, refusing to fire. Then, for whatever reason, Eaker lifted his pistol and so did Philip, then Eaker pulled the trigger. Philip then fired too, but it's thought that it was only because of a muscle spasm due to the pain of his wound. One thing that isn't mentioned is that Philip was taken to the home of Angelica and her husband, where he died.
The biggest tragedy of the whole thing is something that isn't mentioned in the play, but that's because she was never made a character. Philip had a younger sister named Angelica and they were extremely close. So much so that, when he died, she had a total mental breakdown that would last for the rest of her life to the point where she was described as being in "eternal childhood".
Philip Hamilton actually was killed in a duel against Eaker.I also read that he died at Angelica´s house. The first argumet between Philip and Eaker went a bit longer than this one though. Philip (I think) first just normally talked to Eaker about what he said about his father (as he did in the show) and then at some point the arguing started until both reuested a duel (I can imagine Philip challenging him first though). Also Philip was not really shot on seven, but about a minute after the count of ten. Philip did just nothing (he also didn't shoot in the air, he just held the gun pointed at the ground which is why he could still be viewed as a potential threat by George Eaker. After a inute of doing nothing Eaker then raisedd his pistol and so did Philip and Eaker shot. When he fell to the groung he shot though, but noone was hit by Philip's bullet. It is also not known if that shot was intended or not. (Just what I read, I do not know this for a fact.)
Actually both boys waited a minute after 10 and Philip shot in the air but Eacker shot him the play implies Hamilton indirectly killed his son, and while in real life he kind of did, Eacker shot first so either they both would’ve died or just one, in that way Hamilton indirectly let his son die with a clear conscious
Thanks for these reaction videos. I'm going to see the traveling Broadway production in Honolulu in a couple days and I'm trying to do exposure therapy to prevent ugly-crying in the theatre. I don't think it's gonna work..... 😭
This part of the show when Phillip dies and then when it's quiet uptown starts had a lot of us crying when we were watching the musical. We could hear sniffles all around us
There is an album called Hamilton Mixtape that has selected songs from the musical HAMILTON including cut songs and they are performed by various pop artists. Kelly Clarkson sings "It's Quiet Uptown" (beautifully). However, *my* personal favorite cover was done by Lea Salonga as part of her Dream Again concert tour last year. It's sort of a mashup of the version from the show and the mixtape version by Kelly - and it's GORGEOUS: ua-cam.com/video/C0gA9QS__u8/v-deo.html
The fact that Hamilton died on the same spot his son did is quite sad. Remember in the 1st duel of the show, Aaron Burr comments on how stupid they are and then chooses that as the means to get back at Hamilton for ruining his name when Burr lost the presidency.
How about this can you do your research before you watch play not necessarily research on the play but research on the actual people that the play is based on
Eacker Had Cheated. " 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, BOOM " You can hear that they didn't get to 10 Also. He had pointed the gun upwards, meaning He doesen't WANT to shoot, Eacker is also very Snarky. He just wanted to win to not die. The bullet lodged into his side, As it was the most dangorous spots to shoot,
This whole trio of numbers always gets me....it's so frustrating to see Alexander care so much about honor; he told Philip to throw away his shot to prove himself as a man of honor. At least when Alexander threw away his own shot it was to spare the life of the one man that was there since the beginning, for better or worse- Aaron Burr (I think of it that way due to the "Raise a glass to freedom" part)- not for honor.
shooting someone who threw away their shot is technically murder, and it ruins all their honor and reputation. this is why hamilton didn't expect eacker to shoot, but hamilton DID try to stop the duel at first, he at first tried to tell his son to make peace, but when that failed the only thing he could do was throw away his shot, because usually that would stop the duel, as said if they were a man of honor. the duel lasted a few minutes until hamilton (phillip not alexander) started to aim his pistol at the sky, which eacker mistook for him getting ready to shoot him, so he fired and killed him. hamilton TRIED to stop him, and even if he told him not to do it, knowing phillip he probably would've already done it
In reality, most duels at that time would end with both people throwing away their shots, either by firing into the air or aiming off to the side. Generally, the purpose of a duel wasn't actually to kill or even seriously injure the other person but simply for each man to be given an opportunity to prove his honour by demonstrating that they're willing to take the risk; there were also multiple opportunities written into the standard "codes of conduct" of duelling for the pair or their seconds to negotiate peace and walk away before it comes time to walk the 10 paces precisely for this reason. Honour and personal/family pride were a *huge* deal back then because pretty much every single aspect of people's lives revolved around it - a good reputation and being known to be an honourable person meant good prospects with regards to marriage/job opportunities/accommodation/influence within a community/etc, not to mention an entire family was often judged as a whole rather than as individuals so say Phillip refused to duel or shoots to kill, not only would he be branded a coward but Eliza and Alexander's reputations would take yet another hit and so would the future prospects of their other children. Shooting to kill in a duel was already heavily frowned upon by this point and shooting to kill when the opponent is demonstrating that they're throwing away their shot was seen as an act of murder.
i absolutely love the fact that angelica narrates, its purpose is that alexander and eliza are so hurt and distraught that they cant even begin to describe what they’re going through so angelica is their voice
Renee Elise Goldsberry said in an interview that it was Angelica's fate to be the observer of the Hamiltons after she gave him to her sister. (In the play, not real life) And she does such a wonderful job of capturing the moment in the song. Renee talked about how she had just had her second child when she joined the Hamilton cast and this song hit her hard.
Eliza's scream still gets me every single dang time 😭
From what I heard, Phillipa just received word that her mother passed. So, she channeled that grief.
@@PHSDM104 that was months before they shot the film because this was 2 weeks before she left and she wanted to give it her all is what I heard
It makes me sob everytime 💔
@@toga_uwu4249 yeah, and her mom isn’t dead it’s her grandpa
@@PHSDM104 no her mom is alive it’s her grandpa that passed away
This shows a great difference between Washington and Hamilton. Washington was angry that a duel had happened over someone bad mouthing him. Hamilton did not attempt to stop his son from duelling a man who bad mouthed him. Washington placed lives over pride, Hamilton placed pride over life.
It's actually because honor is at sake. Hence the name affairs of honor. Honor was a huge political & social currency at the time of the founding. George Washington also got heated about attacks on his name & character but he just got loud and let off steam. Very few people were on his status level and you could really only duel equals since you would belittle yourself going at some one less than your status and the same goes for the person considered above your status. Also Washington didn't really have to worry about loss of honor.
And by the time Hamilton would have known about his son's duel, it was past the time that Hamilton could stop it if Phillip wanted to keep his own honor.
A song that shows this even more is "Let it go" where Washington and Eliza try to convince Hamilton to calm down, this would happen between "Schulyer defeated" and "Cabinet Battle #2"
Washington could afford to ignore affairs of honor, as he had the status and aristocratic rank to be above all that. That wasn't the case with Hamilton or his son.
shooting someone who threw away their shot is technically murder, and it ruins all their honor and reputation. this is why hamilton didn't expect eacker to shoot, but hamilton DID try to stop the duel at first, he at first tried to tell his son to make peace, but when that failed the only thing he could do was throw away his shot, because usually that would stop the duel, as said if they were a man of honor. the duel lasted a few minutes until hamilton (phillip not alexander) started to aim his pistol at the sky, which eacker mistook for him getting ready to shoot him, so he fired and killed him. hamilton TRIED to stop him, and even if he told him not to do it, knowing phillip he probably would've already done it
@@rarewubbox6413 And that's why many "throwing away their shot" actually acted smarter by shooting downwards into the dirt.
I wanna point something out, the girl that talked to Philip in the beginning, was the girl that played the "Bullet" and symbolled death. So basically Phillip was talking or flirting with death itself, and you can see the same girl passing a bullet over Hamilton's head in that one scene for shadowing his death. Everyone that is either talking, or even agreeing with death died in the play. [Except for king George.]
Also, this particular Bullet is an Oscar winner for the new West Side Story.
It’s cool to see her in this.
Whoa... 😲 That's such a cool detail! Rather morbid, given what happens to Philip, but cool nonetheless!
The transition from Eliza's scream until the end of It's Quite Uptown has me bawling like a baby every time.
same
Phillipa's acting is the only reason I cry in this movie
@@kapipte100%. Eliza is the emotional backbone of this show.
@@CherryBlossom3x3 so true
Yes, one thing they never teach us in history is that Hamilton's son was also in a duel. It just makes his life feel even more sad. I'm glad we've moved on past duels, but to be fair, most of the time people did not fire in duels, like they say in the earlier song. You show up for your honor, then you end up walking away from it.
Eaker firing earlier was moreso a musical thing. If you recall in Take A Break when Eliza and Philip played the piano and counted in French together, Philip always changed the melody on 7. This is a call-back to that. I don't know if it's known for sure, but it's more likely that Eaker saw Philip's arm move and was afraid he was going to shoot him, so he fired. I don't think he was maliciously shooting early with intent to kill.
I have to comment on Lin Manuel's performance in It's Quiet Uptown. I personally love it. Some people think it's bad, I think his cry-singing is very effective and highly emotional. I saw Hamilton live in 2019 with a different cast, and the guy playing Hamilton focused more on singing and sounding good. While it was a beautiful performance of the song, it didn't hit me anywhere near as hard as Lin's performance. I think the beauty of musicals is finding that sweet spot between acting and singing, and I think he nailed it here.
Also shoutouts to Anthony Ramos for playing two characters who died too young :[
And an extra piece of information: The Hamilton's had multiple children at this point, their second child, a daughter, was so distraught and traumatized by Philip's death that she kind of regressed to a child-like mental state and often did not even recognize her family. I believe after his death they also adopted a boy and named him Philip after their son.
Pretty sure, historically, the duel was actually really awkward! Philip took his father's advice, and refused to raise his pistol to fire after he and Eacker had counted ten paces and faced each other. Eacker followed and didn't shoot either. For the first minute, both men stood, doing nothing, both refusing to shoot. After a minute, Eacker finally raised his pistol, and Philip did the same (probably aiming to yield). as you said, presumably, Eacker thought he'd shoot, and he shot and struck Philip
of course,,, can't really have that in a musical, so I'm glad they just had a quick "bad guy shoot innocent kid" and got it over and done with
also, i agree. While Lin may not be the best singer in the OBC, his acting is still PHENOMENAL !! (and his rapping ofc)
@@briqhtlightss ah okay thank you for the information! I've never looked too much into the duels
@@kiwiparfaits no worries!! i was a MASSIVE hamilton fan during 2017-2020 (i still enjoy it, just not crazy about it) so i used to read up a bit on some of the history!! it's sad how little we know about things like this because it's so easy to lose letters and get misinformation :(
They had eight children (including Philip). Their last child was also named Philip and he was about 2 when Alexander died.
I like Lin's performance and think him not being a flawless singer (not bad at all, just onstage with fuckin powerhouse singers) like the rest of the cast just lends itself as characterization for Hamilton, it's like a constant reminder that he is and always was different. I struggle seeing him played any other way, feels like they'd all blend together
That’s the hardest scene in the play for me to watch. I couldn’t imagine losing a child.
I don't even have children but this scene makes me ugly-cry every time.
This part always punch’s me in the feels, it’s so heart breaking to see a young person die esp. over something so pity. That being said it took my breath away when I saw this live. The music of his heart beat was so loud & when it stopped you could hear a pin drop in that theater, so sad.
The thing you have to understand in a historical context was how seriously a lot of people took their reputation. The phrase "A man's word is his bond" isn't just a platitude. Back then, if rumor got around that you were dishonest, if your word wasn't good, it could be materially damaging. It would affect your ability to make an advantageous marriage, it could affect your children's ability to marry well and function in society. it would affect whether or not tradesmen or business associates were willing to work with you, so if someone disparaged you, it could really do harm to you financially and socially.
And, of course, it's impossible to prove a negative. So accusations against someone were sure to travel a lot farther and carry a lot more weight than their defense would. The only way you could really prove yourself the justified party was to say, "See? I'm alive! God wouldn't have let that happen if I weren't righteous and my word good." So it's sort of a holdover from customs of trial by fire or drowning or whatever.
So seen in that light, duels made a kind of sense. If you were willing to malign someone, you'd better be confident enough about it to be willing to *stake your life* upon it. And if you were going to accuse someone of maligning you, you'd better be willing to back that up with your life.
However, sometimes the insult wasn't worth it. Which is why one accepted resolution of a duel was to fire into the air, basically saying, "Yeah, I still think you're wrong, but it's not worth killing you over. We both showed up, ready to back our words with our lives, so we're both honorable and let's call it a day."
This play doesn't give us much context as to how what exactly Phillip's opponent said about Hamilton, but it makes it seem like it was a pretty trivial insult and not really worth calling out Eeker (I'm not sure about the spelling of that). Hamilton encouraging Phillip to throw away his shot seems to signify that the insult was petty, and that Phillip was just being a hothead (like his father, really.) Which makes his death even more tragic because ultimately whatever damage Eeker did to Hamilton's reputation may not have been serious enough to be worth killing or dying for.
However, yeah, firing before the count completed was a big no-no. I don't know if Eeker actually did that or if it was just in the play, but if he actually did it, he could be guilty of murder, depending on the laws in the jurisdiction. Even if he wasn't found guilty of murder, you can bet his reputation would be complete mud afterward.
Eliza was wearing black during stay alive reprise because Peggy had recently died :(
I feel like almost everyone ignored peggys death
“The moments when you’re in so deep, it feels easier to just swim down.”
That line hits me so hard EVERY time. Grief comes in many forms and not just from death. Many of us can relate to that feeling for an innumerable number of reasons. It just touches a place very deep inside.
I also heard Lin Manuel Miranda give an interview where someone asked what he says to Phillipa Soo as they turn to walk away at the end of the song. He said he asked if she was ok because he knew about the recent death of a family member and he was worried that the scene was too much. The filming of the movie was done over two days of live performances and then a third day where they came in and did all of the close up shots where a camera had to be on the stage with them. So this scene had to be filmed 3 times and Lin Manuel was very concerned for Phillipa’s well being at that point.
Yes duels are stupid and petty. At this point most people considered them barbaric, and were illegal in most of the states. Both duels, this one and the one hamiltion himself dies in, were entirely avoidable if either party did not have the ego the size of a blimp. It should also be noted that most people didn't actually shoot to kill in these. Aiming off to the side was fairly common.
Interesting historical fact: Philip was brought to the home of his aunt, Angelica, after the duel and it is where he died. Also: The Hamilton family pistols were rigged with hair triggers (though neither Philip nor George actually shot for a minute or so after the count--they were both determined to shoot second).
Hamilton didn't own duel pistols himself, he used a pair that belonged to John Church (Angelica's husband)
A little something I've been reading about Philip's funeral is that Alexander was so struck with grief that he had to be held up when approaching the grave I can't imagine how sad it must be to lose a child. Oh and btw the duel didn't happen like this it was legit and he didn't actually shoot too early.
When my brother died (ALS), my mother was able to stand. But I'll never forget her voice as she looked down at him in the casket & said, "it's not supposed to be like this. Children should not go first."
@@glynnisi Oh that´s sad I´m sorry for your loss
@@glynnisi there are no words for that.. it's going through the unimaginable..
I know I’m late but I Rea wanted to tell you why Philip says “ I’m sorry for forgetting what you taught me”, he says it because he and Eliza used to count to ten in French while playing the piano. He thought that he miss counted and that the count to 10 had already happened but he barely counted to 7
I also saw somewhere else that the line could be referencing a cut song, I don't remember though and I could be wrong
Two things about this part of the musical. 1; Eliza and Angelica are both already wearing black because they’re in mourning about Peggy, who died a few months before Philip. 2; when the music stops when Eliza and Philip are singing, all that’s left are beats that mimic a heart. When the beat stops, Philip is dead.
Bonus edit* at the end of Its Quiet Uptown the stage goes to a blackout and you see Philip watching over everything that’s happening.
I think that’s actually Washington because Anthony and every other person that plays Phillip was never on stage during quiet uptown
@@hamiltonslegacy I’m super confused lol. What do you mean ?
@@meganrmt Phillip Hamilton wasn’t on stage after he died until the last number so what you saw wasn’t Phillip on the surround it was actually Washington on it
@@hamiltonslegacy he’s literally in The World Was Wide Enough.
Fun fact: But in real life, Eacker didn’t cheat. He didn’t actually shoot early at 7. They got to 10, but were unsure what to do. So Philip aimed his pistol at the sky, and George Eacker shot him in defense.
2:13 the funny part about this is he never came back he quite LITERALLY GHOSTED THEM 👻(get it cause he died)
In the actual dual he didnt shoot prematurely btw, they stood around for like ten minutes before philip raised his gun and eacker, scared he'd get shot, shot him
They stood there for 1 minute not 10 minutes
@@hamiltonslegacy yeah
What makes it worse is that it apparently wasn't even on purpose, Philip did not mean to raise is gun he had a spasm
@@HoneyBunches44 no he was trying to raise his gun to the sky, it was george that got scared by that and shot
This is why duels started getting outlawed. And just because duels were legal in Jersey; didn’t mean consequences weren’t felt. This is also how family grudge matches could happen and endless duels.
This isn’t 100% accurate because Eacker didn’t fire at seven. In real life they both actually stood there for a minute in place after the count to ten. Both men were determined to shoot second apparently. Eventually Eacker and Philip both raised their pistols. Eacker then made a shot that was fully within the rules of dueling. Eacker died a few years later of Tuberculosis.
The shot at seven was more meant to represent Phillip’s life being cut short, he couldn’t count to ten, plus there is the earlier motif of Phillip changing the piano line at 7
This (Quiet Uptown) is my favorite song of the whole play. Thw song and the way it's sung catch me in the feels every time I hear it. Also, the personal behind the scenes story about the song and what it means to the cast is so touching.
yeah a lot of duels were super petty. the point though was defending your honour (or the honour of someone you cared about who the other person insulted). shooting to the sky was a standard result - it was essentially saying "I dont want to fight you, let's negotiate rationally", and if you shot someone who chose to throw their shot then your reputation is screwed. it makes you a coward, shooting someone who's essentially unarmed. and if the point is to defend your honour, then any sane person would choose not to shoot. pretty ironic though that hamilton recommended his own son to throw away his shot after his whole life goals
The genius and care… the Bullet sending Philip to his death, the recurrence of the Ten Duel Commandments chord progression (like in Take a Break) foreshadowing his death.
And the heartbeat!! So powerful live in the theater you can feel the heart beat and when it stops it’s literally breathtaking!
OK WHAT HOW DID I NEVER KNOW UNTIL NOW THAT ELIZA IS STILL ON THE STAGE JUST IN THE BACK FACING THE WALL?!?!?
I love the call back to une deux trois quatre cinq six sept huit neuf . . . And the parallel to the 10 duel commandments . . . Then the heartbreaking Sept huit . . . Unfinished count with mom. Gah. Sept huit is a sad line. Seven eight is when Eaker shot.
Philip did die and his sister actually went crazy because of it and was sent to a mental hospital
I think dueling actually was illegal in New Jersey, but you couldn't get hanged for it, so men would row across the Hudson, have their duel and go back home. A lot of stuff about dueling was sort of performative: you would make a big show of showing up for the duel and then firing into the air, to prove that you weren't a coward, but that you weren't about to kill someone, either. Nowadays we just sue people. 😉
The infections were actually a bigger killer in duels than bullets.
A "simple" through-and-through could be survived, but the clothing one wore introduced dirt and foreign matter into the wound, which would lead to infections that were near-impossible to treat.
I always burst into tears every time I watch Philip's death. He's soul is so pure. I even watched it countless times and am still crying.
Historically eeker never cheated the firing of the gun was an accident. Both Hamilton and eeker waited for the other to fire whilest holding both guns In the air. Eeker got exhausted and whilest he was lowering his gun he accidentally pulled the trigger, the round bounced off a rock and then hit Phillip. Lin perfectly put that with having Philip get shot at 7. That being that it was an accidental firing. George eeker didn’t want to kill the young Hamilton child and vice versa.
The way I cackled when he got shot. Bc he was supposed to blow us all away and he got blown away 💀💀💀
This blew me away 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was in Hamilton yesterday and I would say this was the most inpactful song in it and there were so many great songs…
Yes. Phillip Hamilton actually died in a ill- considered duel
A lot of people don't seem to understand the context of the time period. There was a great deal of ceremony, ritual and tradition in dueling. While it was becoming more and more illegal at this point in time, it was still a part of the culture and something that could ruin a person if they refused to take part. The allegations would be seen by society as being true because the person was not willing to fight against it. *Especially* if you're the one to make the challenge. By the rules of their society, Phillip had to go to the duel. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it how they thought at the time? Sadly, yes.
This is one of the most changed parts to fit the story instead of following real history that they do in the play. In the real duel, Eaker did not shoot before the count of ten. In fact, both men actually stood there for a bit, refusing to fire. Then, for whatever reason, Eaker lifted his pistol and so did Philip, then Eaker pulled the trigger. Philip then fired too, but it's thought that it was only because of a muscle spasm due to the pain of his wound. One thing that isn't mentioned is that Philip was taken to the home of Angelica and her husband, where he died.
The biggest tragedy of the whole thing is something that isn't mentioned in the play, but that's because she was never made a character. Philip had a younger sister named Angelica and they were extremely close. So much so that, when he died, she had a total mental breakdown that would last for the rest of her life to the point where she was described as being in "eternal childhood".
that was so funny " i don't want to interrupt this scene" by doing just that lol
Philip Hamilton actually was killed in a duel against Eaker.I also read that he died at Angelica´s house. The first argumet between Philip and Eaker went a bit longer than this one though. Philip (I think) first just normally talked to Eaker about what he said about his father (as he did in the show) and then at some point the arguing started until both reuested a duel (I can imagine Philip challenging him first though). Also Philip was not really shot on seven, but about a minute after the count of ten. Philip did just nothing (he also didn't shoot in the air, he just held the gun pointed at the ground which is why he could still be viewed as a potential threat by George Eaker. After a inute of doing nothing Eaker then raisedd his pistol and so did Philip and Eaker shot. When he fell to the groung he shot though, but noone was hit by Philip's bullet. It is also not known if that shot was intended or not.
(Just what I read, I do not know this for a fact.)
Actually both boys waited a minute after 10 and Philip shot in the air but Eacker shot him the play implies Hamilton indirectly killed his son, and while in real life he kind of did, Eacker shot first so either they both would’ve died or just one, in that way Hamilton indirectly let his son die with a clear conscious
I thought we were waiting on the last song. You have me on pins and needles waiting for the ending.
I'll add to what was said about the duel already and say that George Eacker managed to die before Alexander Hamilton (some months difference).
Tuberculosis sucks.
Oml i always cry when i see this 😭
In my opinion Alexander Hamilton killed Philip Hamilton because he gave his his guns to Philip and he also told Philip to aim towards the sky
Thanks for these reaction videos. I'm going to see the traveling Broadway production in Honolulu in a couple days and I'm trying to do exposure therapy to prevent ugly-crying in the theatre. I don't think it's gonna work..... 😭
This part of the show when Phillip dies and then when it's quiet uptown starts had a lot of us crying when we were watching the musical. We could hear sniffles all around us
7:30 yea eliza and alexander stayed with him for 14 hours until he died
back to rewatch
There is an album called Hamilton Mixtape that has selected songs from the musical HAMILTON including cut songs and they are performed by various pop artists. Kelly Clarkson sings "It's Quiet Uptown" (beautifully). However, *my* personal favorite cover was done by Lea Salonga as part of her Dream Again concert tour last year. It's sort of a mashup of the version from the show and the mixtape version by Kelly - and it's GORGEOUS: ua-cam.com/video/C0gA9QS__u8/v-deo.html
It's quiet uptown.
The only thing not personal to me that has ever made me cry.
It truly did the unimaginable.
George Eacker didn't shoot at 7, they actually just stared at each other for a full minute then he shot.
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4:50 to be fair it was literally the 1800s
Am I the only one who still cries when Phillip dies? :(
The fact that Hamilton died on the same spot his son did is quite sad. Remember in the 1st duel of the show, Aaron Burr comments on how stupid they are and then chooses that as the means to get back at Hamilton for ruining his name when Burr lost the presidency.
Philip getting shot
Yes this was real.
How about this can you do your research before you watch play not necessarily research on the play but research on the actual people that the play is based on
Eacker Had Cheated. " 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, BOOM " You can hear that they didn't get to 10
Also. He had pointed the gun upwards, meaning He doesen't WANT to shoot,
Eacker is also very Snarky. He just wanted to win to not die.
The bullet lodged into his side, As it was the most dangorous spots to shoot,
This whole trio of numbers always gets me....it's so frustrating to see Alexander care so much about honor; he told Philip to throw away his shot to prove himself as a man of honor. At least when Alexander threw away his own shot it was to spare the life of the one man that was there since the beginning, for better or worse- Aaron Burr (I think of it that way due to the "Raise a glass to freedom" part)- not for honor.
shooting someone who threw away their shot is technically murder, and it ruins all their honor and reputation. this is why hamilton didn't expect eacker to shoot, but hamilton DID try to stop the duel at first, he at first tried to tell his son to make peace, but when that failed the only thing he could do was throw away his shot, because usually that would stop the duel, as said if they were a man of honor. the duel lasted a few minutes until hamilton (phillip not alexander) started to aim his pistol at the sky, which eacker mistook for him getting ready to shoot him, so he fired and killed him. hamilton TRIED to stop him, and even if he told him not to do it, knowing phillip he probably would've already done it
honor wasn't just honor back then, it was reputation, it was everything
In reality, most duels at that time would end with both people throwing away their shots, either by firing into the air or aiming off to the side. Generally, the purpose of a duel wasn't actually to kill or even seriously injure the other person but simply for each man to be given an opportunity to prove his honour by demonstrating that they're willing to take the risk; there were also multiple opportunities written into the standard "codes of conduct" of duelling for the pair or their seconds to negotiate peace and walk away before it comes time to walk the 10 paces precisely for this reason. Honour and personal/family pride were a *huge* deal back then because pretty much every single aspect of people's lives revolved around it - a good reputation and being known to be an honourable person meant good prospects with regards to marriage/job opportunities/accommodation/influence within a community/etc, not to mention an entire family was often judged as a whole rather than as individuals so say Phillip refused to duel or shoots to kill, not only would he be branded a coward but Eliza and Alexander's reputations would take yet another hit and so would the future prospects of their other children. Shooting to kill in a duel was already heavily frowned upon by this point and shooting to kill when the opponent is demonstrating that they're throwing away their shot was seen as an act of murder.