This was a show that was underappreciated by me as a kid. But now, I love the manners, gentlemanliness and beauty of the panel and guests. It makes me think of New York theater people having interesting conversations in high rise apartments. Sophisticated entertainment.
From Wiki_ - Aileen Mehle (née Elder, June 10, 1918 - November 11, 2016), known by the pen name Suzy or Suzy Knickerbocker, was an American society columnist, active in journalism for over fifty years. Her column was syndicated to 100 newspapers and read by over 30 million people. She was 48 when this programme was made, and died 50 years later at 98 y.o.
SaveThe TPC Oh-- I meant to the *other* side of the street. I think she looks a bit frightening, mainly cause of the 'do, but her facial expression sure doesn't help.
In the late 1970's and early 1980's, I commuted to NYC from Rockland County on public transportation that may have been named for George Hamilton. It was The Red & Tan Lines.
+What's My Line? Yes, and I know from a couple of years ago, you mentioned that you lived in Rockland at one time. (We discussed the statue in front of the County Courthouse among other things.) My family moved from Queens to Blauvelt when I was 8 in 1960. I went to RCDS from 1963-70 (grades 6-12). Except for about 17 months living in Brooklyn in the mid-70's and my time at college (Cornell), I have lived in Rockland ever since: Piermont, New City, Suffern. From other things you posted, I am fairly certain that you are younger than me, so I don't think our paths crossed. And even if they did, my name is not the same now.
This episode had been recorded the week Danny Kaye and Abraham Ribicoff appeared on WML. Someone had the presence of mind to snap a photo of Kaye and Hamilton together behind the scenes. It is one of the few photos that shows what WML backstage / back hall looked like.
He was the last host in 1975, then the show stopped. Larry Blyden then went to Africa on vacation and was found dead in a one vehicle accident in the desert.
1928gerry She also had an elegance and poise of her own that has been missing since she left. I'm amazed they haven't managed to find any other female in New York to provide even a figment of that since her parting of company with the planet.
I am not a fan of Suzy in this episode but have to give her major props. She wrote six columns a week and in later years wrote for magazines "W" as well as "Wonen's Wear Daily" until 2005 upon retiring in her 80s. She passed at 98 in 2016. I guess "her way" was a part of her success.
Larry Blyden on again. And stay tuned for the next episode. Suzy Knickerbocker is Mystery Guest #1, in the ONLY time she and Phyllis Newman were seen together on the show.
The shape of WML to come 1972-75: Arlene Francis and Larry Blyden together. Blyden is a very good panelist. I'm surprised he did not show up more often on 1966 WML.
Larry Blyden stayed busy with theater roles and also began hosting game shows himself, including a What's My Line syndicated game show in the early 70's. He died not long after that in an auto accident in Europe.
two thoughts: 1. saw a twilight zone the other night with larry blyden and sebastian cabot. was entertaining. 2. a pleasure to see an actor who respects his craft and celebrityhood in george hamilton. his Zorro: The Gay Blade (1981) is a classic with a wonderful score throughout the movie.
+Larry Teren One of my favorite "Twilight Zone" episodes from the original series. It shows off Blyden's acting range and it's interesting how the lack of glasses changes his persona. And avoiding a spoiler as much as I can, it was one of the best episodes at hiding the ending until the very last moment, on a show that was designed to have surprise endings.
From Wikipedia "Also in 2006, it was rumored that Hamilton would replace Bob Barker on The Price Is Right. He did an audition and in March 2007, TMZ reported that Hamilton was a frontrunner to replace Barker. According to Reuters, Hamilton was one of the final three contenders to host the show, alongside Mark Steines and Todd Newton. Soon thereafter, however, Drew Carey was named as Barker's successor. Subsequently, Hamilton has hosted the live stage adaptation of the show, The Price Is Right Live!."
Now, here is where things get quite weird... The next three episodes were also taped for future broadcast. But unlike most pre-taped episodes, these were taped on A MONDAY OF ALL DAYS! To quote Jack Paar, "I kid you not!". Here's what they taped on a Monday in October 1966: Taped: October 17, 1966 Aired: October 23, 1966 Panel: Phyllis Newman, Dick Cavett, AF, BC Mystery Guest #1: Suzy Knickerbocker Mystery Guest #2: Ed Sullivan Taped: October 17, 1966 Aired: November 13, 1966 Panel: AF, Orson Bean, Sue Oakland, BC Mystery Guest: Michael Caine Taped: October 31, 1966 Aired: November 20, 1966 Panel: AF, Larry Blyden, Sheila MacRae, BC Mystery Guest: Virna Lisi
Hmm. No one named Bill associated with any of those episodes. What? Never heard of "Da Doo Ron Ron" by the Crystals? Met him on a Monday and my heart stood still. Da Doo Ron Ron Ron Da Doo Ron Ron Somebody told me that his name was Bill Da Doo Ron Ron Ron Da Doo Ron Ron ua-cam.com/video/L0dikX80Ed8/v-deo.html They don't make songs like that any more!
freeze at 5:58: with the new color cameras the director can get a decent close up of the panelists with their name plates clearly visible. Suzy's name plate has her full-scale pen name on it, but it looks like they had to work at it to squeeze it into the available space.
Another clue that this episode was taped on October 2, 1966: George says that he'll be starting filming of "Jack of Diamonds", which began filming on October 4 (thank you again, Variety Magazine!) www.varietyultimate.com/search/?page=2&startYear=1966&endYear=1966&search=Jack+Diamonds+George+Hamilton&searchType=&sortBy=DATE&searchDate=&showAll=
Nice catch. . . but then, why is he always looking up and to the left when timing the shows, then? I've commented before that I could never understand why they never thought to put the clock somewhere where his eye line wouldn't be so obviously looking away from the actual show. It's one of the very few things that John does less than fluently in his moderating duties-- I find it pretty distracting.
What's My Line? @Johan Bengtsson: It would have been smarter to put the clock above the camera, and by that make Daly's movements more streamlined, but I like that little peek up to the clock. It makes him calmingly human. ;)
The end of What's My Line was effectually the end of cosmopolitanism on television for most viewers around the country. After this, where else did one see the likes of Bennett, Arlene, and John dressed for dinner in NYC and behaving like adults. I guess you can point to the demise of WML as perhaps the final nail in the coffin of the ladies and gentlemen era of the early 60's I love so much.
I am afraid that the days of genuine manners and simple etiquette are gone--- you CAN find it around but you have to hang out in rare places to observe and be part of it.
People actually denigrate and insult people who behave and speak correctly. They conflate with putting on airs or pretentiousness. Anything denoting class is shot down in the name of phoney, fake egalitarianism. Even people who are affluent strive to dress, speak, and behave as if their origins are in the lower classes, or humble circumstances.
Galileocan g I don't know why you love her either. :) Her face is crammed into the bottom end of her head. You'd think that was due to having a large brain but I doubt it.
I wouldn’t have wanted to be sitting behind Suzy Knickerbocker in a movie theater with that hair. 😜 By the way, just a piece of trivia- she was born Aileen Mehle.
I see in "Up next" an episode from June 20, 1965 with George Hamilton as mystery guest. Couldn't the producers get enough celebrities to avoid repeats so soon?
I hate when they figure out the mystery guest so quickly (and I don't know how they did so here). It robs us of enjoying the guest's playful cat and mouse with the panel. And when the guest is as handsome as George, it's a double shame.
George Hamilton. Speechless. I know he had talent to fall back on, but talk about early luscious period. Gorgeous even. He was on front pages because he had a relationship with the President's daughter, which must have been gall-awful intimidating, given that LBJ could have drafted him to Vietnam if things had gone really bad.
It was Lynda. There were rumors that J. Edgar Hoover had the FBI follow George and tape conversations, etc. I don't know if this was ever confirmed under the Freedom of Information act.
Randy Lovering The show always ends on time. With often entire segments abandoned and rushed goodbyes and a sweating Daly....but at least it does end on the dot.
23:24 -- an illustration of the pervasiveness and good ratings and viewing of Jack Webb's cop show "Dragnet" on NBC-TV. "Dragnet 1966" premiered in January. "Dragnet 1967" had premiered within the past view weeks.
What if you put them on in the morning and wear them the rest of the day? Then you could find them in any room, on your face. At least, that's what I assumed he was thinking.
Does he still promote tanning. After having a scare with skin cancer nearly 5 years ago (luckily it was a basil cell carcinoma...the kind you survive) I do not consider the sun my friend anymore.
What did John Charles Daly know about buffalo that he could say that a buffalo could be domesticated? Clearly the men from South Dakota knew more about Buffalo than did Daly.
I hope mr Hamilton did some more practising on the French, Italian and German accents he was to use in the new film "Jack of Diamonds", because I could not hear any difference...
Johan Bengtsson You probably won't think so, Johan, but I thought his attempt at a German accent sounded more Swedish -- or at least what I, as an American, think of as a Swedish accent. (17:22)
I hope somebody had the presence of mind to snap photos in color of Arlene and Suzy in those dresses. Wowzers. Mike Nichols directed "The Apple Tree" which was written by the same musical theme that gave us "Fiddler on the Roof," based in part on Mark Twain's "Diary of Adam and Eve." and based in other part on something by Jules Fieffer. Sounds interesting all the way around. "Publishing his fool head off." Yes, there's our Bennett all over.
To be specific: THE APPLE TREE was three musical playlets. The first was, indeed, based on Mark Twain's "The Diary of Adam and Eve"; the second was based on Frank R. Stockton's story "The Lady or The Tiger?"; and the third was based on Jules Pfeiffer's "Passionella." The production starred Barbara Harris (who won a Tony Award for Best Actress in a Musical for her performance in THE APPLE TREE), Alan Alda, and Larry Blyden. The show opened at the Shubert Theatre in New York on Tuesday, 18 October 1966 and ran for 463 performances, closing on Saturday, 25 November 1967.
In 1966, were women lawyers really a shocker? Last night, I watched a WMlL episode from the 50s, and the woman was a bar bouncer. That seems much more shocking, even for today. I realize all words/names are made up, at some point, but ‘Knickerbocker’...uh, that a real surname? Sounds like a cookie.
@CMinorOp67 It wasn't until some six years after this episode that a woman could apply for a credit card without a man as co-signer. So, not surprising at all.
"Do you sometimes appear on other pages in addition to the entertainment pages?" Where did that question come from? Hamilton was disguising his voice and all he had heard was "yes".
John Charles Daly implied that Bennett's question showed that he wasn't "fooled", i.e., that he knew who the mystery guest was. The reference to pages other than the entertainment pages may mean that the newspapers were covering the filming of part of a German film in New York as something more than just an entertainment story. It may have been on the business pages or local news pages, for example.
I thought it unusual for John to recommend anyone into the legal profession. A good many lawyers today do not practice because of the glut of those with law degrees. I wonder if this was not the case in 1966?
Joe Postove I'm sure it wasn't. I thought it was also a bit odd that he made such a fuss over a woman lawyer, even though they had already had quite a number of female lawyers and even judges on the show since the very beginning -- and usually attractive ones too.
SaveThe TPC It was not an uncommon expression before, say the 60's. Dictionary.com: "A distaff is the stick onto which wool or flax is wound in spinning. Since spinning was traditionally done by females, distaff took on figurative meanings relating to women or women ’ s work. In the sense of “ female, ” the noun distaff is archaic, but the adjective is in current use: distaff chores, a distaff point of view; the distaff side of the family."
Joe Postove I don't particularly like the expression, and learning its origin doesn't make me like it any better, but I have yet to hear it used anywhere other than on WML. --At least not that I remember.
Larry Blyden asks if the first contestant's occupation has anything to do with a government function. Um, excuse me, but a lawyer's work is almost always some interaction with the government, either in civil or criminal law. Was John napping?
SaveThe TPC But I think the question (would the reporter please check the transcript) was did her line have anything to do with a government function, which a lawyer's duties almost always do.
What's My Line? I think everyone on the show and the staff and crew were all required to wear false eyelashes. I guess that's better than Match Game where everyone had to wear falsies. I think they had a trade out deal with an eyelash manufacturer in Boise.
Since Mr. Houk raised buffalo, I interpreted John's ruling as applying to the product while it was still alive. Even without knowing the size of Arlene & Martin's property in Mount Kisco, it is doubtful that they would have owned any live buffalo.
white americans are mainly descendants of people europe had no use for , the territory was conquered by genocide , guns are okay but nppls taboo , and then there's those creepy brands of christianity too - a highly toxic mixture , which poisons even their "upper class"
+Garacha222 The women are asked because they want to know if the panel should address them as "Miss" or "Mrs." because "Ms." had not yet become commonplace. Seeing that there was no difference in how men were addressed whether married or single, the question was irrelevant for them.
Laughter is Welcome; how is a Lawyer not at the very least partially, provisionally, and/or obliquely (on certain, specific occasions) connected with government ?.. 🤨😐😐
A couple of reasons that she annoys me: Her tone of voice gives the impression that she isn't having a good time -- she often lets words and phrases trail off to a lower pitch and volume, as if she is losing interest even while she's speaking. Her hairstyle, makeup, and wardrobe all give off "artificial" vibes to me, suggesting a lack of self-confidence in her real appearance. I know she had a successful career as a columnist, so she can't have been unintelligent, but if we were at the same party I would not have any urge to sit next to her for a chat.
Anyone think Kickerbocker looks like a parody from Mad magazine?😀... She is very intelligent but she doesn't have a personality that is particularly attractive on tv... I'd rather somebody stuipder but more entertaining!
Seriously, all women watching this, still have something to complain about in 2022? It was remarkable that a woman and yet "pretty" could possibly be a lawyer in 1966. The panel were all thinking about menial service jobs for this woman.
the more i watch of these, the less i like bennett, his introduction of john daly was insulting and nonsensical. everyone else always says something complimentary and bennett always has some cheap shot. and his whining gets old.
Of course they were good friends who were trading insults purely in fun, but I have to agree with you that neither of them were doing that appealingly on this episode. This is just about the least likely episode that one would pick to show to somebody new in order to get them interested in What's My Line?, considering the flat banter between Bennett and John, and the way Suzy drags down the spirits with her bored tone of voice.
+Neil Midkiff I agree with what you have said about this episode in general and Suzy in particular. I would add that John seems particularly nonplussed and distracted by more than just his problems with his desk clock to the point that he is seriously stumbling over his words or at a total loss for words.
It wasn't rude at that time; it was considered a compliment. Much of what we do in the 21st century would be considered rude by people from 1966 if it had been done then. Different times, different standards.
I knw I'm not going to make any friends with this but I find Arlene annoying at best. She is either patronizing to a sickly degree or argumentative out of profound ignorance.
![What's My Line? - George Hamilton; Jim Backus [panel] (Jun 20, 1965)](/img/n.gif)
This was a show that was underappreciated by me as a kid. But now, I love the manners, gentlemanliness and beauty of the panel and guests. It makes me think of New York theater people having interesting conversations in high rise apartments. Sophisticated entertainment.
These shows are addictive.
MiketheYung God it has to do with the Charisma of the past Hollywood stars. Today's actors have no soul or personality
Yes!
“A French lady lawyer”😂
From Wiki_ - Aileen Mehle (née Elder, June 10, 1918 - November 11, 2016), known by the pen name Suzy or Suzy Knickerbocker, was an American society columnist, active in journalism for over fifty years. Her column was syndicated to 100 newspapers and read by over 30 million people.
She was 48 when this programme was made, and died 50 years later at 98 y.o.
Arlene is a gas when she stumbles upon the correct answer, like false eyelashes. Her surprise is always genuine!
SHE DOES NOT STUMBLE
SHE CHEATS
Could George Hamilton be any more beautiful here?
goldenthroat86 true
Yes, with a deep TAN.
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Agree
That first contestant could step out onto the street today without changing a hair, her makeup, or her outfit, and still be the height of chic.
Not sure about the hair style (maybe without the flip upward) but I concur with all the rest😃
Rykken Beck -- yep, the hair, too. ;)
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Todd Brandt If I saw anyone who looked like that while I was out doing errands, I'd cross the street. . . ;)
What's My Line?
In which direction? ;)
SaveThe TPC Oh-- I meant to the *other* side of the street. I think she looks a bit frightening, mainly cause of the 'do, but her facial expression sure doesn't help.
Arlene was always a beautiful doll.
And she is 60 here...
In the late 1970's and early 1980's, I commuted to NYC from Rockland County on public transportation that may have been named for George Hamilton. It was The Red & Tan Lines.
You're from Rockland County, too, huh?!?
+What's My Line?
Yes, and I know from a couple of years ago, you mentioned that you lived in Rockland at one time. (We discussed the statue in front of the County Courthouse among other things.)
My family moved from Queens to Blauvelt when I was 8 in 1960. I went to RCDS from 1963-70 (grades 6-12). Except for about 17 months living in Brooklyn in the mid-70's and my time at college (Cornell), I have lived in Rockland ever since: Piermont, New City, Suffern.
From other things you posted, I am fairly certain that you are younger than me, so I don't think our paths crossed. And even if they did, my name is not the same now.
@@loissimmons6558 Ah, yes, I remember now. :)
George Hamilton was such a babe
totally agree
Arlene Francis is so funny here, as usual!
Wow! The hair on Miss Knickerbocker is three times the size of her head and somehow is very flattering.
Looks terrible
It was the hairstyle back then I suppose 😅
I think Suzy Knickerbocker's hair deserved its own introduction on this episode -- yikes!
Yeah. . . her hair has its own zip code.
Based on Suzy's coiffure alone, I think some of us need a new definition of "hair".
many women had a similar style i.e. black female singing groups it was called "the beehive" my mom included
What's My Line? .... :) so funny.
@@orgonkothewildlyuntamed6301 That's not a beehive. It might be a bouffant though.
Hamilton was brilliant in Love At First Bite
This episode had been recorded the week Danny Kaye and Abraham Ribicoff appeared on WML. Someone had the presence of mind to snap a photo of Kaye and Hamilton together behind the scenes. It is one of the few photos that shows what WML backstage / back hall looked like.
One of the panelists, Larry Blyden, later served as the third and last host of WML before his untimely passing in 1975.
He was the last host in 1975, then the show stopped. Larry Blyden then went to Africa on vacation and was found dead in a one vehicle accident in the desert.
I wish they would bring back this program. I could staff the panel and could come up with at least 100 odd occupations
I miss Dorothy and her amazing quick mind.
1928gerry She also had an elegance and poise of her own that has been missing since she left. I'm amazed they haven't managed to find any other female in New York to provide even a figment of that since her parting of company with the planet.
I am not a fan of Suzy in this episode but have to give her major props. She wrote six columns a week and in later years wrote for magazines "W" as well as "Wonen's Wear Daily" until 2005 upon retiring in her 80s. She passed at 98 in 2016. I guess "her way" was a part of her success.
Larry Blyden on again.
And stay tuned for the next episode. Suzy Knickerbocker is Mystery Guest #1, in the ONLY time she and Phyllis Newman were seen together on the show.
The shape of WML to come 1972-75: Arlene Francis and Larry Blyden together. Blyden is a very good panelist. I'm surprised he did not show up more often on 1966 WML.
Larry Blyden stayed busy with theater roles and also began hosting game shows himself, including a What's My Line syndicated game show in the early 70's. He died not long after that in an auto accident in Europe.
@@tj.espygil4544 TERRORISTS SLAUGHTED HIM FOR THE VEHICLE HE WAS DRIVING.
@RonGerstein Your trolling needs work.
I can still see George’s orange glow through the black and white screen.
John did have a clock to keep the show on time
Randy Lovering You're not kidding. He looks at it worryingly, with a strained effort to not look worried, almost every episode.
Wow - George Hamilton was sooo handsome.❤
The present and future host on the same episode of WML. The present host, of course is one John Charles Daly. The future host is Larry Blyden.
two thoughts:
1. saw a twilight zone the other night with larry blyden and sebastian cabot. was entertaining.
2. a pleasure to see an actor who respects his craft and celebrityhood in george hamilton. his Zorro: The Gay Blade (1981) is a classic with a wonderful score throughout the movie.
+Larry Teren
One of my favorite "Twilight Zone" episodes from the original series. It shows off Blyden's acting range and it's interesting how the lack of glasses changes his persona. And avoiding a spoiler as much as I can, it was one of the best episodes at hiding the ending until the very last moment, on a show that was designed to have surprise endings.
My favorite was Love at First Bite
@@loissimmons6558 He shows how Clark Kent fools people.
From Wikipedia "Also in 2006, it was rumored that Hamilton would replace Bob Barker on The Price Is Right. He did an audition and in March 2007, TMZ reported that Hamilton was a frontrunner to replace Barker. According to Reuters, Hamilton was one of the final three contenders to host the show, alongside Mark Steines and Todd Newton. Soon thereafter, however, Drew Carey was named as Barker's successor. Subsequently, Hamilton has hosted the live stage adaptation of the show, The Price Is Right Live!."
With or without his famous tan ?
Barry G They were going to make a prize out of it!
Who were the other two???
sic transit gloria ...
George Hamilton was really handsome. 🥰
Yeah. I can see Arlene owning a buffalo and having it around the town house.
:D
"Mahtin, it's time to walk the buffalo."
Historically, the police in my city (known for its cold winters) walked the beat in buffalo coats. (Up to about 50 years ago)
Don't make no damn sense how fine George was. They don't make em like this anymore
Now, here is where things get quite weird...
The next three episodes were also taped for future broadcast. But unlike most pre-taped episodes, these were taped on A MONDAY OF ALL DAYS! To quote Jack Paar, "I kid you not!".
Here's what they taped on a Monday in October 1966:
Taped: October 17, 1966
Aired: October 23, 1966
Panel: Phyllis Newman, Dick Cavett, AF, BC
Mystery Guest #1: Suzy Knickerbocker
Mystery Guest #2: Ed Sullivan
Taped: October 17, 1966
Aired: November 13, 1966
Panel: AF, Orson Bean, Sue Oakland, BC
Mystery Guest: Michael Caine
Taped: October 31, 1966
Aired: November 20, 1966
Panel: AF, Larry Blyden, Sheila MacRae, BC
Mystery Guest: Virna Lisi
Hmm. No one named Bill associated with any of those episodes.
What? Never heard of "Da Doo Ron Ron" by the Crystals?
Met him on a Monday and my heart stood still.
Da Doo Ron Ron Ron
Da Doo Ron Ron
Somebody told me that his name was Bill
Da Doo Ron Ron Ron
Da Doo Ron Ron
ua-cam.com/video/L0dikX80Ed8/v-deo.html
They don't make songs like that any more!
freeze at 5:58: with the new color cameras the director can get a decent close up of the panelists with their name plates clearly visible. Suzy's name plate has her full-scale pen name on it, but it looks like they had to work at it to squeeze it into the available space.
Her last name Knickerbocker had 13 letters in it.
Another clue that this episode was taped on October 2, 1966:
George says that he'll be starting filming of "Jack of Diamonds", which began filming on October 4 (thank you again, Variety Magazine!)
www.varietyultimate.com/search/?page=2&startYear=1966&endYear=1966&search=Jack+Diamonds+George+Hamilton&searchType=&sortBy=DATE&searchDate=&showAll=
Counseling. Well, that is not a clue!
John has a little clock hidden behind his desk. 2:34 You learn something new in every show. :)
Nice catch. . . but then, why is he always looking up and to the left when timing the shows, then? I've commented before that I could never understand why they never thought to put the clock somewhere where his eye line wouldn't be so obviously looking away from the actual show. It's one of the very few things that John does less than fluently in his moderating duties-- I find it pretty distracting.
What's My Line? They should have put the clock above the camera.
Johan Bengtsson Exactly.
What's My Line? @Johan Bengtsson: It would have been smarter to put the clock above the camera, and by that make Daly's movements more streamlined, but I like that little peek up to the clock. It makes him calmingly human. ;)
SuperWinterborn That's what I suggested... :)
Bennett's Weekly Pun: Mr. Choi, since John Daly didn't say so, I'll say it: It's a choi to have you on the program. 21:15
My mind must have still been on Danny Kaye and Chinese cooking. All I kept thinking of was bok choy,
George Hamilton was sort of the male Gabor, semi-famous for being semi-famous.
The end of What's My Line was effectually the end of cosmopolitanism on television for most viewers around the country. After this, where else did one see the likes of Bennett, Arlene, and John dressed for dinner in NYC and behaving like adults. I guess you can point to the demise of WML as perhaps the final nail in the coffin of the ladies and gentlemen era of the early 60's I love so much.
I am afraid that the days of genuine manners and simple etiquette are gone--- you CAN find it around but you have to hang out in rare places to observe and be part of it.
People actually denigrate and insult people who behave and speak correctly. They conflate with putting on airs or pretentiousness. Anything denoting class is shot down in the name of phoney, fake egalitarianism. Even people who are affluent strive to dress, speak, and behave as if their origins are in the lower classes, or humble circumstances.
BC behaving as an adult ? oh my , i never noticed 😎
Ok....I don't know why, but I just love Suzy Knickerbocker!
Galileocan g I don't know why you love her either. :) Her face is crammed into the bottom end of her head. You'd think that was due to having a large brain but I doubt it.
No mention of Arlene's play "Dinner At Eight". It only ran for 127 performances and I wonder if it was struggling under the inky thumb of bad reviews?
I read a review of it in The Chicago Tribune in from early October 1966 which was pretty damning.
I wouldn’t have wanted to be sitting behind Suzy Knickerbocker in a movie theater with that hair. 😜
By the way, just a piece of trivia- she was born Aileen Mehle.
i'd bury my nose in her hair and totally forget the movie 😎
21:20 -- oh Bennett. Go to your room.
I would imagine that Bennett had lots of toys and sending him to his room wouldn't be much of a punishment.
I thought it was a great pun. And the guy loved it. What's not to like?
Surprising that Susie's neck could support that helmet or hair!
Hair is very heavy, where you come from ?
In retrospect Mr Daly should of appear on the color version of what's my line as a mystery guest in the syndication version
I see in "Up next" an episode from June 20, 1965 with George Hamilton as mystery guest.
Couldn't the producers get enough celebrities to avoid repeats so soon?
I hate when they figure out the mystery guest so quickly (and I don't know how they did so here). It robs us of enjoying the guest's playful cat and mouse with the panel. And when the guest is as handsome as George, it's a double shame.
Sometimes they cheated. I suspect "Knickerbocker" had inside info.
George Hamilton. Speechless. I know he had talent to fall back on, but talk about early luscious period. Gorgeous even. He was on front pages because he had a relationship with the President's daughter, which must have been gall-awful intimidating, given that LBJ could have drafted him to Vietnam if things had gone really bad.
Is that why Arlene asked if she could hear his Texan accent? :) 18:50
Johan Bengtsson soulierinvestments
I wondered about both those things -- thanks for clearing up the mysteries!
Yep, at this point in time George was dating either Lynda or Luci. I forget which one.
It was Lynda. There were rumors that J. Edgar Hoover had the FBI follow George and tape conversations, etc. I don't know if this was ever confirmed under the Freedom of Information act.
That clock is used to time the show so it ends on time
Randy Lovering The show always ends on time. With often entire segments abandoned and rushed goodbyes and a sweating Daly....but at least it does end on the dot.
How many times does Bennett have to ask if the guest is connected with food or drink and then get it wrong every time lol
Because Bennett Cerf is STUPID.
23:24 -- an illustration of the pervasiveness and good ratings and viewing of Jack Webb's cop show "Dragnet" on NBC-TV. "Dragnet 1966" premiered in January. "Dragnet 1967" had premiered within the past view weeks.
But they didn't bother to change the names to protect the innocent ...
So handsome and elegant
If I heard John Daley correctly, how could a buffalo ever be domesticated?
Eyelashes are definitely found in particular parts of the home - the bedroom or the bathroom. Sometimes I wonder about John Charles Daly’s answers.
What if you put them on in the morning and wear them the rest of the day? Then you could find them in any room, on your face. At least, that's what I assumed he was thinking.
Is it I or there is really some tension between Bennett and Larry?
George Hamilton still doesn't have his distinct suntan yet.
Imagine if he had it by now, and this episode survived in color.
Does he still promote tanning. After having a scare with skin cancer nearly 5 years ago (luckily it was a basil cell carcinoma...the kind you survive) I do not consider the sun my friend anymore.
Don't forget once you tan you have already damaged your skin.
What did John Charles Daly know about buffalo that he could say that a buffalo could be domesticated? Clearly the men from South Dakota knew more about Buffalo than did Daly.
This is the same John Charles Daly who once thought the Dakotas were east of the Mississippi.
I always found him a know it all and a snob. He and Bennett Cerf could hold a snob-off. 🤔
BRB, gonna make a time machine for 1966, find a phone book, and look up that lawyer.
I hope mr Hamilton did some more practising on the French, Italian and German accents he was to use in the new film "Jack of Diamonds", because I could not hear any difference...
Johan Bengtsson
You probably won't think so, Johan, but I thought his attempt at a German accent sounded more Swedish -- or at least what I, as an American, think of as a Swedish accent. (17:22)
SaveThe TPC I admit that it could pass as a Swedish accent but not a German, not even an American version of a movie-Nazi (Ah zo, vatt iz diz?) :-)
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John Daly seemed rather tired and sharp on this episode. But the lovely blond lawyer cheered him up a bit.
I hope somebody had the presence of mind to snap photos in color of Arlene and Suzy in those dresses. Wowzers.
Mike Nichols directed "The Apple Tree" which was written by the same musical theme that gave us "Fiddler on the Roof," based in part on Mark Twain's "Diary of Adam and Eve." and based in other part on something by Jules Fieffer. Sounds interesting all the way around.
"Publishing his fool head off." Yes, there's our Bennett all over.
To be specific: THE APPLE TREE was three musical playlets. The first was, indeed, based on Mark Twain's "The Diary of Adam and Eve"; the second was based on Frank R. Stockton's story "The Lady or The Tiger?"; and the third was based on Jules Pfeiffer's "Passionella." The production starred Barbara Harris (who won a Tony Award for Best Actress in a Musical for her performance in THE APPLE TREE), Alan Alda, and Larry Blyden. The show opened at the Shubert Theatre in New York on Tuesday, 18 October 1966 and ran for 463 performances, closing on Saturday, 25 November 1967.
Larry played the serpent in the first act, an interesting casting considering his role on an episode of "Twilight Zone" a few years earlier.
George was a handsome devil indeed!
I notice that whenever a European contestant comes on - Arlene picks up a British accent.
Where is Mr. Choi now?
There was another French beauty as a WML contestant three years ago.
Poor Buffalo😢 No Wonder theyre almost extinct! I'm glad people don't wear Buffalo coats anymore!
The Animal as Untermensch was no big issue back then . Mind you : it still isn't but awareness has grown over those 5-6 decades
The French Lawyer lady is so beautiful I would kill to have her hair !!!!
Killing would never achieve what you want, especially her. Be careful what you sAY,monsignor
I wonder if she shares any DNA with Ricky Gervais? Distant cousins I'd reckon.
15:16 That was odd. Arlene's arm swinging out and then the moment or two between her and the other woman panelist. Odd
In 1966, were women lawyers really a shocker? Last night, I watched a WMlL episode from the 50s, and the woman was a bar bouncer. That seems much more shocking, even for today.
I realize all words/names are made up, at some point, but ‘Knickerbocker’...uh, that a real surname? Sounds like a cookie.
Where do you think the NY Knicks got their name?
@CMinorOp67 It wasn't until some six years after this episode that a woman could apply for a credit card without a man as co-signer. So, not surprising at all.
Lol…I have no recollection posting this. Nor any idea why I seemed shocked by “Knickerbocker”.
But thanks for the insight, ya’ll. 😀👍
"Do you sometimes appear on other pages in addition to the entertainment pages?" Where did that question come from? Hamilton was disguising his voice and all he had heard was "yes".
John Charles Daly implied that Bennett's question showed that he wasn't "fooled", i.e., that he knew who the mystery guest was. The reference to pages other than the entertainment pages may mean that the newspapers were covering the filming of part of a German film in New York as something more than just an entertainment story. It may have been on the business pages or local news pages, for example.
I thought it unusual for John to recommend anyone into the legal profession. A good many lawyers today do not practice because of the glut of those with law degrees. I wonder if this was not the case in 1966?
Joe Postove
I'm sure it wasn't. I thought it was also a bit odd that he made such a fuss over a woman lawyer, even though they had already had quite a number of female lawyers and even judges on the show since the very beginning -- and usually attractive ones too.
SaveThe TPC I like his use of the phrase "the distaff side". Wasn't that a little old even by 1966?
Joe Postove
WML is the only place I have *ever* heard that expression.
SaveThe TPC It was not an uncommon expression before, say the 60's. Dictionary.com: "A distaff is the stick onto which wool or flax is wound in spinning. Since spinning was traditionally done by females, distaff took on figurative meanings relating to women or women ’ s work. In the sense of “ female, ” the noun distaff is archaic, but the adjective is in current use: distaff chores, a distaff point of view; the distaff side of the family."
Joe Postove
I don't particularly like the expression, and learning its origin doesn't make me like it any better, but I have yet to hear it used anywhere other than on WML. --At least not that I remember.
Larry Blyden asks if the first contestant's occupation has anything to do with a government function. Um, excuse me, but a lawyer's work is almost always some interaction with the government, either in civil or criminal law. Was John napping?
Joe Postove
But she didn't work *for* the government, so her job is not a governmental function.
SaveThe TPC But I think the question (would the reporter please check the transcript) was did her line have anything to do with a government function, which a lawyer's duties almost always do.
I don't agree. Depending on the specific practice area, it is quite possible for a lawyer to have very little to do with the government.
Didn't we have a false eyelasher on earlier in the 60's?
At least one, yes.
They seemed to love contestants who had something to do with eyelashes. There was that man who made eyelash curlers not too many episodes back, too.
What's My Line? I think everyone on the show and the staff and crew were all required to wear false eyelashes. I guess that's better than Match Game where everyone had to wear falsies. I think they had a trade out deal with an eyelash manufacturer in Boise.
An Australian was asked, "What's the difference between a buffalo and a bison"?. He replied, "You can't wash your hands in a buffalo."
He and bennet had just had an argument. He was mad.
11:55: "is it a product I might own?" Well, maybe not in 1956, but I've certainly had it in my not especially bohemian household. Even as an entree.
Since Mr. Houk raised buffalo, I interpreted John's ruling as applying to the product while it was still alive. Even without knowing the size of Arlene & Martin's property in Mount Kisco, it is doubtful that they would have owned any live buffalo.
And why, Mr. Daly, would it be so hard to believe Miss Gervais was a lawyer? Such rampant sexism in the 1960s.
white americans are mainly descendants of people europe had no use for , the territory was conquered by genocide , guns are okay but nppls taboo , and then there's those creepy brands of christianity too - a highly toxic mixture , which poisons even their "upper class"
You answered your own question.
Bennett, your puns are simply Choi-ous!
he's more of a kill-choi to me
Have the male contestants ever been introduced with a question of "are you married?" The women are usually asked it in a different way
Garacha222 Before John Daly got married I always felt he was asking for his own 411🤣
+Garacha222
The women are asked because they want to know if the panel should address them as "Miss" or "Mrs." because "Ms." had not yet become commonplace. Seeing that there was no difference in how men were addressed whether married or single, the question was irrelevant for them.
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they could have done away with it early by using ma'am and sir
Laughter is Welcome; how is a Lawyer not at the very least partially, provisionally, and/or obliquely (on certain, specific occasions) connected with government ?.. 🤨😐😐
Well said - I think 😀
Alluring French woman.
Oui!
I don't know why, but I find Suzy Knickerbocker just so annoying.
A couple of reasons that she annoys me: Her tone of voice gives the impression that she isn't having a good time -- she often lets words and phrases trail off to a lower pitch and volume, as if she is losing interest even while she's speaking. Her hairstyle, makeup, and wardrobe all give off "artificial" vibes to me, suggesting a lack of self-confidence in her real appearance. I know she had a successful career as a columnist, so she can't have been unintelligent, but if we were at the same party I would not have any urge to sit next to her for a chat.
Suzy is a little bit campy
Also love seeing old Adolf after the 1965 arrests. You can see the behind his projection hes getting beaten harshly.
Anyone think Kickerbocker looks like a parody from Mad magazine?😀... She is very intelligent but she doesn't have a personality that is particularly attractive on tv... I'd rather somebody stuipder but more entertaining!
Seriously, all women watching this, still have something to complain about in 2022? It was remarkable that a woman and yet "pretty" could possibly be a lawyer in 1966. The panel were all thinking about menial service jobs for this woman.
"Better" doesn't equal "perfect", or even "good enough".
The first contestant is a lawyer so I might as well plead guilty now. I throw myself on the mercy of her.
Objection!
I bet she looked gorgeous in the black robe with white collar that French lawyers wear in court.
Johan Bengtsson I heard she wore sexy lace underpants, and that's all, under her judicial robes. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
@gcjerryusc Your Honor, again I must throw myself into the private robes of the court!
T0george hmilton... this is before meryl streep
A lady lawyer 😜
One of the biggest hair ever. Arlene, bags under the eyes ? A lady Lawyer, still surprised in 1966 ?
I hate the continuous onslaught of sexist comments..sickening...not cute, not funny...
Those comments are charming! When men were gentlemen and women were ladies.
Tough! You poor victim, always being put down by awful males.
GEORGE IS A PAL..JE
Suzy Knickerbocker.
A $300 haircut on a ten cent head.
the more i watch of these, the less i like bennett, his introduction of john daly was insulting and nonsensical. everyone else always says something complimentary and bennett always has some cheap shot. and his whining gets old.
tomitstube
Of course they were good friends who were trading insults purely in fun, but I have to agree with you that neither of them were doing that appealingly on this episode. This is just about the least likely episode that one would pick to show to somebody new in order to get them interested in What's My Line?, considering the flat banter between Bennett and John, and the way Suzy drags down the spirits with her bored tone of voice.
+Neil Midkiff
I agree with what you have said about this episode in general and Suzy in particular. I would add that John seems particularly nonplussed and distracted by more than just his problems with his desk clock to the point that he is seriously stumbling over his words or at a total loss for words.
every paradise is entitled to at least one serpent , hence the cerf
But he has a son at Hahvud!!!
Mucho Cringe when americans "pronounce" foreign names
Ms Gervais's eyes scanning the audience almost reads as mental noting the howlers in order to sue them 😅
I can't believe people are so rude as to whistle at a stranger in a studio
It wasn't rude at that time; it was considered a compliment. Much of what we do in the 21st century would be considered rude by people from 1966 if it had been done then. Different times, different standards.
Only the hot ones. It would be rude NOT to!
george hamilton yuck
DO NOT LIKE THAT KNICKERBOCKER PERSON AT ALL!!!! AROGANT AND COINCIDED AS HELL !!!
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I knw I'm not going to make any friends with this but I find Arlene annoying at best. She is either patronizing to a sickly degree or argumentative out of profound ignorance.