I know why I watch these videos, I don’t need any equipment, to be honest I can’t afford it but this guy is super cool to listen to and makes weight lifting so much more enjoyable
I found the RML-390F to be the best in terms of needs and space. Hits that perfect spot of being a little bigger, but not too big (wink wink). I went with the Titan version and while it's fine now and I have no need to change, if I end up buying again, I'll spend a little extra for the Rogue.
@@brandonj1468it may be more stable in the sense it’s less likely to tip, however it can still be a very shaky rack, especially when doing things like pull ups. Most flat footed racks are 4 posts, so no plate storage to help hold it down. You could go 6 post on a normal footed rack and add stability and further that with plate storage as well.
I agree with all points. I wish Rogue would go a different route with their echo series for people wanting all of the features at a much lower cost. Infinity and up is where the value starts.
I see it more as just a way to get your foot in the door, but provides a comparison chart on the product pages which tries to convince people to go Infinity lol.
I had a Rogue 100" RML-690 (so, technically an RML-6100) for a few years. I downsized to a plain Jane R-3 + a plate tree two years ago. I'm happy with the smaller footprint, but if I was thinking outside of the box I would have kept the six post rack and moved the plate storage out to the sides (rather than straight back). It would be similar to the Sorinex Apex or something like that. It would have accomplished the same thing, and kept me from juggling gear. What I loathe about Rogue Monster and Monster Lite racks are the 49" widths. The R-3 fixes that without the need for sandwich j-cups. No regrets overall.
I've thought of doing something similar and maybe even trying to implement the slinger, or a lat pull down to make something similar to the apex as well.
If your J cups don’t have protective plastic to guard barbells, then no big deal. I use the NY Barbells Sumo Rack and lined all 4 metal-only cups with rubber grip stair tread. It has heavy duty adhesive and has yet to peel. Just clean with rubbing alcohol first and then adhere. Works great, protects my bars and is CHEAP.
While it's nice to have its greatly exaggerated. Really othee than appearance who cares aboht the knurling there other than if doing snatch grip pulls with same bar... Not likely. At this price point it's a silly worry and great overrated.
I got the R3 about 2 years ago and it has been a solid rack for my 2 car garage. Like the video noted it is the best rack for most people. However after having it for 2 years I wish I had gotten the RML-3. It is the exact same thing as the R3 except is comes in a 3x3 tube configuration. Having a 3x3 RML series rack at least give you more options to add different accessories given that it looks like Rogue and the industry is moving away from the 2x3. When I browse Facebook marketplace there are more people selling RML adaptable accessories than Infinity adaptable accessories. Also having a 3x3 rack would make the rack look more "beefy". And as of this post the RML-3 is $80 more than the R-3. The small price difference is worth it! Great post because my rack is solid and I believe it is the minimum that most people need for their garage gyms but maybe the video should be amended to say the RML-3. Stay big!
Love my RM-4. Def more expensive, but super versatile and has a reasonable footprint. Also, with the stabilizer bar there was no need to bolt it to the floor and f'up my garage floor.
Hi, could you tell me, if your bolt together version was stable? I am planning on not bolting it to the ground which should work with the R-3 but I am unsure about the bolted version since the often have a suboptimal fit and that is the only one available in europe :/ I am thinking more about the RML-390BT however, since I like the 3x3 format and that I can add accessories anywhere
Don’t forget the little hack of getting the bolted version of the R-3. I’ve had one for the past two years, best decision. Bolted version has the option for a slightly deeper rack and with my 8 ft high garage ceiling, I could bolt my pull-up bar slightly lower so I don’t bang my head.
@@welltbeats it definitely will wobble if you don’t bolt it down. I have seen people use weight storage pins on the rack to weight it down with a bunch of 45s, but I personally wouldn’t feel safe unless it’s bolted. I do however prefer to work outside of the rack with safety arms
I like that the band pegs are included. I *should* have bought this rack instead of my Vanswe with lat pull extension...or, just a reason to buy another rack :) Thanks Brandon!
I bought an RML-6 in blue just like you for my first heavy duty garage gym rack, but when I expanded into a full gym and needed more racks I bought R-3's (connected with 70" pull up bars like Coop's). The R-3's get significantly more use.
Just a thought. For those out there working out with a partner/spouse etc., a 4' deep rack with two bars in play allow pretty decent parallel workouts. Not very easy with a 3' deep rack, even if positioned on the outside with spotter arms.
1:13 I have a cage very similar. Trust me, YOU DONT want it. I have wayyy too many issues, it very much limits my walkout and it limits my space for the weighs on a walkout bang the side of the bars and while going up I bang the j-hooks (I have a combo rack coming)
That's one of the things with Rogue racks people "run into". They're a bit wider but the 2x2 or 2x3 will be easier in that regard compared to the 3x3 stuff. I find 24" deep to be doable, just makes you clean up your walk out.
I really struggle with the short depth and I use the monolift arms for box squatting. I’m not sure you should be relying on good technique when you are in the 90% range to prevent anything. The rack is supposed to save you. I think this would be resolved by using an R4 instead but I might be wrong.
The R3 is a great rack. I love my Fortis Rack. It would be cool if they would do a 6 post with a smaller footprint. Kinda like the RM 3 in a 6 post version. Similar to some of the Elite FTS racks. And Brandon that Boneyard Cerakote Ohio Deadlift Bar I just grabbed was flawless. Not sure why it was in the Boneyard but $285 all in is a steal.
You can get a smaller footprint 6 post, just need to ask and might cost some depending on what you're looking to do. I may add an extension to my RM3 once we're in the new house. What color cerakote did you get?
@@BasementBrandon I got the blue one. Rogue logo on the barbell. And it had the Boneyard end caps. Unlike your 30mm Oly bar.😆 It's a strange bar though. I have been lifting on a stiff bar for 20 years so the flex feels odd. The knurling is more aggressive than my Ohio Power Bar. The flex didn't really come into play till I was around 405. It looks like something fun to change things up with.
It's a great rack. I had it. Only issue I found was that it lacked refinement and some versatility. The main issue i had was that even with the 30 inch depth you cant really train with 2 people on it. You both need to be doing the same exercise. Over time i wanted the finer things the monster line offers and the full rack.
@@Pler1978 I find that racks that lack depth don't allow you to bench on the front then squat in the rack at the same time. Not a deal breaker but just something to keep in mind that over time may become annoying.
Rogue Europe need to supply the R-3 in shorty, they have the bolt together but the solid one is sort after and be better option for peoples pockets here
I'm used to squatting in a gym that most likely has 40" depth, vs the 24" or 30" you're reviewing here for this rack. Do you think it's a big adjustment to go from 40" to say 24" or is it just something that'll be easy to get used to? I can't consider anything more than 24" due to the limited space we have at home. I'm also thinking about the RML-3W Fold Back Wall Mount as well (for the footprint situation).
Picked up a 90’ RM-3 this past November. I really love it. Would absolutely never go for any less than a full cage. The peace of mind I get knowing I’ll be safe when going for PRs or reps to failure inside the rack is worth every penny for me. Also I’m 6’2 with a 77in reach and comfortably do overhead press inside the 90’ rack, with about 1’ or so of room.
@@BasementBrandon would you say this isn‘t worth the extra stability and mounting possibilites? The R-3 looks a lot more fragile especially without bolting them down
Def a deeper rack is preferable for some (I think 30" is most ideal), but for the width, they're identical on the inside (43") but the R3 actually gives you 1" more space on the exterior of the rack (2x3 vs 3x3), so it's probably more ideal for those who have issues hitting the uprights!
I have the R-4 of the Infinity line. Like Wild Bill says, the versatility is incredible. I have a matador for dips, single landmine for shoulders and back, X-43M Crossmember to hang my TRX strap off of and do different pull ups off of and Infinity Slinger to work triceps, abs and lats. Love my rig
Accessories are one thing, but also even if you never hit/exceed the max capacity, you get a lot closer to "maxing" out the rack. LEt's say you squat 500lbs, that puts you at 83% capacity vs a 1500lbs rated rack at 33%. This means if you get stronger you risk some serious injury, but also can easily outgrow the rack.
There's a video somewhere around of chad wesley smith failing like a 800lb squat in a r3. Not sure how many times it could take a fail like that but sure held up that 1 time.
Hell yah. Awesome review. Been trying to figure out wut rack to go with. Looks like im probably going rogue. Does the monster lite have a shorter height version like the r3??
We do not have access to "Monster" brand products in AU. I think our equivalent is the RML-390BT which comes in 24" and 30" depth, just not sure if that is the inner squat depth or if that includes 6" for the posts. How realistic is it to use this for plate storage? I can imagine a loaded barbell would interfere with the weights, so if you want all in one you'd want a deeper model or by separate for storage. Having never squatted in a rack, it feels like even 30" will feel small. I also wonder how easy it would be getting a 2.2 meter barbell into such a narrow cage, thinking the half rack (mounted to a wall or floor) with spotter arms would be the better option for small spaces.
I believe they will be coming soon. Those depths just refer to the room inside the rack. You can still do plate storage on them, but need to get creative in placement.
@@BasementBrandon It all depends on your space I suppose. I have a meager 3.5 x 3.6m (11.48' x 11.81') to setup a home gym and need to consider the space around the rack and where I'm facing when trying to squat. I'm thinking that I'll be squatting outside of the rack/cage and will rely on the spotter arms. I'm also expecting that maneuvering a barbell into the cage would also get tricky in a small space; you definitely want to walk it in to avoid injury. We do get most of the Monster Lite stuff, just not the big brother line. Thanks.
Brandon as you know i"ve been back and forth with Rep and looking at there racks but now i've been looking at Rogue thanks to your videos lol.. I'm looking at the RM-4 Fortis Rack or the 490C RML rack. My question is i can add the same attachments to the Fortis as a Monster Lite Rack? You are right though attachments get a little pricer on the Lite series... I feel like i could get the rack faster through Rogue then Rep at the moment
do you think a 24" depth in enough room to squat inside the rack? I'm 6'2 and about 200lbs. Seriously considering the R3 but might go with something bigger if the dimensions are too small.. thanks!
I’ve had the R-3BT in the 40” dee variant for years. I love it! It’s been in storage a few years, and I’m about to reassemble it and bolt it down to a new platform.
ive been debating between this and a foldable wall mount rack just so I can park my car in the garage if guests come over to free up the driveway. Im a little leery about how well a wall mounted foldable rack would hold 400-500 pounds though. Bandon have you ever talked about a budget deadlift option? platforms are obscenely expensive and bumper plates are big enough it can limit how much weight you can use.
My only issue with a folding rack is you can't workout inside it (with safeties). In terms of holding weight, they should be good as long as it's anchored correctly. For DL platforms, you can build your own very easily. Would suggest a base later of 4'x8" plywood (
Iam on the same boat. I do not know which one to buy r3 or foldable one? The folder one comes with spotter arms though:) no peg for bands or rack pulls:(
Need some advice: Rogue R3 vs Rogue SML-2C (with spotter arms) in terms of versatility (bench, squat, pull-ups)? Money is not a factor. Height is not a factor. However, I have steel plates and my floor is double layer of stall mats (1.5 inches thick). Since my flooring is all stall mats, I wouldnt want to drill into them if possible (not sure if the mat integrity is comprised).
What are your thoughts or other people thoughts on the RML-390F FLAT FOOT option from Rogue. For a little bit more than 100$ Canadian this was the option I selected 4 years ago and still to this day I wouldn't change a thing since no need to bolt it to the ground and you got about 6" more within the cage 24" vs 30". Dont know why this option is not more popular since seeing this rack in home gym is still rare.
I just don't like the feel or look of a flat foot rack personally. I know it helps if you can't bolt down, but I've seen a lot of people have issues with them in home environments due to a sloped floor.
I went with the RML390 F, because I needed a flat foot rack, since im in an apartment, cant bolt to floor, and don't want a fat ass plywood chunk in my tiny living room. Costed about 100 bucks more, but for the flat feet, and the 3x3 steel, im not complaining. wouldve liked the cheaper accessories tho.
Nice! I'm not a fan of flat foot racks as I find they don't translate well to garages or basements with a slight grade, glad it's been working for you!
@@BasementBrandon Hello. Thank you for the video. I ran across your post regarding floor grade and I have that problem in my garage. What are the solutions people are using? Building a floor platform that level and then bolting the rack to that platform?
They offer some affordable options (especially if you're in canada), but they have weird sizes of their racks (like 2.3"x2.3"), use lower gauge steel, and are limited in adapting other brands accessories.
@@BasementBrandon you're spot on with all of this. Personally, I love the light commercial rack I got from them. Only cost me 700-750 CAD shipped I believe, so I could focus on getting a high quality barbell from Rogue. I don't mind the size or am too picky about anything, I expect the rack to get beat up and scratched. There are some flaws to it though, such as what you mentioned and also problems with roller cup stability, and the rack coming in with scuffs. Also, there were no tools that came within the boxes to screw everything in which was also a bit frustrating.
@@nikhilsrl no problem. This is why I went with them too. Read my reply to Brandon, and read his too. Overall I'm happy with the rack, and I hope you find one that fits your needs!
I know nubies today believe they need top notch equipment from the start, you don't. And no it's not an investment, most people quit. A typical fitness center only has 10-20% of their members actually show up (been a trainer for 17 years). Small percentage of of those lift any real weight. Rogue equipment is not necessary for anyone training less than 5 years or so. Get any bench and pillars and see if you stick with it.
I wouldn't say Rogue is top notch in all circumstances, but they offer the best value to quality ratio and have extremely high resale values, if one does choose to sell it. I would also say that training at home is not for everyone.
Hey Brandon, do you think the infinity series will ever get the plate loaded version of the slinger? This is a major thing holding me back from going with the R-3 over Rml490c or RM3
Does it have enough room to squat inside the squat rack comfortably? I don't have a huge walk out, but I do take a step back, and I was concerned about depth.
Are there any main functional differences between the Monster Lite and infinity line? I’m trying to convince my SO who wants to buy an Amazon squat rack to save money over quality.
The Rep PR-4000 24" is almost exact price, except 3x3" uprights. Are you saying the Rouge R3 is better based on the infinity cheaper accessories...or just better as far as the Rouge choices?
@@BasementBrandon At 6,4 are you able to perform military presses standing inside the cage without banging the crossmembers? Thanks for a very informative chanel!
What’s the reason for the holes on the side of the uprights that looks like the 1” hole then right below what it looks like a 5/8” hole. Sort of like a tear drop look.
How do I know if a rack is going to be too short for me? I'm 6'1" (and still growing) and my dad is 6'4". We both plan on using whatever rack we decide to buy, we just don't know which one that is yet. I read the reviews on one of their racks and there were a couple minor complaints about it not being made for tall people (I don't recall which rack exactly I was looking at).
As long as it has a spot for a j-cup that is at least shoulder height you'll be fine. Most short racks start at 80" so it shouldn't be a problem as long as you're at that point.
What are your thoughts on body solid racks? A local store has one on sale and from what I've read it sounds too be a good product. But I know nothing about racks
Depends which one you're looking at. The more affordable ones I'd put in the beginner category as they don't have many options and aren't rated that hight for total capacity.
Any experience with the Rogue RML-90SLIM Rack? I’m trying to find the best space efficient option, it’s one I haven’t seen anyone review. Obviously you have to use spotter arms given it’s not a full rack. I was wondering if this is more stable than their folding option.
price and size (in terms of shipping), BT is bolt together meaning more pieces vs the r-3 which is basically two welded sides that connect via a pull up bar.
@@BasementBrandon thank you for the prompt response! One more question if you dont mind, im looking for a rack that doesnt need to be bolted down, any recommendations based on your experience?
Personally I'd go RM3 and buy the half rack feet to stabilize it. You could also look at some of their squat stands or flat feet rack, but they have limited expandibility.
According to a Rogue rep, the Infinity series will be discontinued. I have the R-3. Love it and the Infinity accessories. I had contacted Rogue late last year about whether they would be making an Infinity version of the Squat Handles and that was part of their response saying that they were not at this time and it's possible that they may not be able to. Sad to see this value going away!
Doesn’t make any sense to me. Infinity is where they came from. Actually, if Titan are just raping their Infinity sales maybe they just drop it and let Titan work out how to rip off their Monster Lite designs for the 2x3? Australia doesn’t have any infinity. It’s all monster lite. This could be a good test case.
Since I think I'm the same height at you (6 foot 3) do you think theres enough space to sumo deadlift inside of the r-3 without issues? It looks a bit cramped on the picture but it could just be the angle. Thanks! Edit: actually, since theres band pins on either side i d presume there should be enough room?
Inside there is 43" (49" total counting the uprights). Rogue has some of the widest racks so if you could sumo in one, Rogue would be the choice. Depends on how wide your sumo pull is.
The welded R 3 might be a serious problem. I had this concern to. Depends on your platform choices. You need a single piece from side to side... but this isn’t a big deal if you can bolt the cross beams to different heights or add blocks. I have a 1.5” height platform underneath the welded R3 and I would hit the cross beams with an extreme sumo position. If you have a deadlift bar, this will help A LOT as you are pretty close to the cross beams.
The best rack for most people is an el cheapo Ebay China made rack. Those can hold more than enough weight for most. There is no need for the Average Joe to buy Rogue. Edited for spelling
I have an rml 3 bolted to a platform in my living room. I live in a 625 sq ft 2nd floor condo. 5 barbells, 685# of plates, c2 rower, airdyne, kettlebells, med balls, dumbells, sandbag, plyo box, etc and I still have a fully functioning living space. With proper planning, you can do a lot with little space. Except for the cardio and box, it's all in a 5'x10' area
@@BasementBrandon Yes you are correct. I'm debating on the X-3 Series Bolt Down Power Rack | Tall | 36 titan or the ROGUE RML-490, although the Rogue is twice the price but the quality if much better....
Are you sponsored by rogue? the best power rack for MOST people would probably be something like the rep fitness 1100, is just $230, and the quality is amazing (as all RepFitness products). Like rogue is awesome if you have the money but I don't understand why you keep recommending their products even in a budget when there is other awesome companies (Not titan fitness) that do it for half the price. Love your videos tho lol.
Ever heard the phrase "you get what you pay for"? I am dubious of the quality on a $200 rack. Regardless of what company makes it. I spent more than that on my last barbell purchase. A rack is a major purchase and one you hope to only do once. Why cheap out? Only way I see myself replacing my current Monster Rack is for a 6 post version. I wish they made the RM3 in a 6 post version.
Valentin The rack is $230 because it has no availability for attachments and is wobbly 1’ by 1’ hardware. You are probably correct that a cheap rack like that would be best for most looking to just workout. This however is a powerlifting specific channel and the difference between a flimsy $230 rack and an overbuilt $800-1200 rack is night and day for a powerlifter. Options like rack customization, adding attachments, using bands or reverse bands are not available on a $230 rack. Also I’m not sure where you’re coming from trying to say that Rogue is more expensive than REP. REP also offers 3’ by 3’ steel racks for essentially the same price as Rogue. If any business is the most expensive it would be EliteFTS. Also Shipping from REP is very expensive. I live in NY and the shipping on a Rack and accessories from REP was over $200 more expensive than shipping from Rogue for me. All in all I’d agree with Brandon that Rogue for the most part is the best bang for your buck.
Brandon you’re still making videos??? Dawg I was like 16, 17 when I was watching your videos. I’m 25 now lol. Shows longevity man!
Hah still getting out at least 1 a week!
I’ve had one for almost a year now - my first serious setup. Absolutely love it in terms of fit and functionality. No regrets at all.
awesome to hear!
I have the RML3, and I love it!
Good to hear!
I know why I watch these videos, I don’t need any equipment, to be honest I can’t afford it but this guy is super cool to listen to and makes weight lifting so much more enjoyable
Thanks Matt!
I found the RML-390F to be the best in terms of needs and space. Hits that perfect spot of being a little bigger, but not too big (wink wink). I went with the Titan version and while it's fine now and I have no need to change, if I end up buying again, I'll spend a little extra for the Rogue.
Nice, Personally just not a fan of flat footed racks.
Aren't they more stable when you dont want to bolt down?@@BasementBrandon
@@brandonj1468 Not necessarily
Could you explain? @@BasementBrandon
@@brandonj1468it may be more stable in the sense it’s less likely to tip, however it can still be a very shaky rack, especially when doing things like pull ups. Most flat footed racks are 4 posts, so no plate storage to help hold it down. You could go 6 post on a normal footed rack and add stability and further that with plate storage as well.
2:06 - Damn spotters!!! If the spotters hadn't touched the bar, he would've had that EASILY!!!
ALL YOU BRO!!
Brandon Campbell Diamond Lol! Exactly! YOU GOT THIS!!
I agree with all points. I wish Rogue would go a different route with their echo series for people wanting all of the features at a much lower cost. Infinity and up is where the value starts.
I see it more as just a way to get your foot in the door, but provides a comparison chart on the product pages which tries to convince people to go Infinity lol.
I had a Rogue 100" RML-690 (so, technically an RML-6100) for a few years. I downsized to a plain Jane R-3 + a plate tree two years ago. I'm happy with the smaller footprint, but if I was thinking outside of the box I would have kept the six post rack and moved the plate storage out to the sides (rather than straight back). It would be similar to the Sorinex Apex or something like that. It would have accomplished the same thing, and kept me from juggling gear.
What I loathe about Rogue Monster and Monster Lite racks are the 49" widths. The R-3 fixes that without the need for sandwich j-cups. No regrets overall.
I've thought of doing something similar and maybe even trying to implement the slinger, or a lat pull down to make something similar to the apex as well.
Have had my R 3 for nearly a year - added in the neutral grip chin bar - many options available and very safe as you point out - it’s fantastic
Appreciate the first hand feedback!
Neutral grip chin-up bar is the tits, so much better than the fat skinny
If your J cups don’t have protective plastic to guard barbells, then no big deal. I use the NY Barbells Sumo Rack and lined all 4 metal-only cups with rubber grip stair tread. It has heavy duty adhesive and has yet to peel. Just clean with rubbing alcohol first and then adhere. Works great, protects my bars and is CHEAP.
It goes beyond just that, not a lot of great accessories for 2x2 and the ones that are don't have the nicer finishes.
While it's nice to have its greatly exaggerated. Really othee than appearance who cares aboht the knurling there other than if doing snatch grip pulls with same bar... Not likely. At this price point it's a silly worry and great overrated.
I bought one based on your recommendation and I absolutely love it ! Thanks
Awesome to hear!
I got the R3 about 2 years ago and it has been a solid rack for my 2 car garage. Like the video noted it is the best rack for most people. However after having it for 2 years I wish I had gotten the RML-3. It is the exact same thing as the R3 except is comes in a 3x3 tube configuration. Having a 3x3 RML series rack at least give you more options to add different accessories given that it looks like Rogue and the industry is moving away from the 2x3. When I browse Facebook marketplace there are more people selling RML adaptable accessories than Infinity adaptable accessories. Also having a 3x3 rack would make the rack look more "beefy". And as of this post the RML-3 is $80 more than the R-3. The small price difference is worth it!
Great post because my rack is solid and I believe it is the minimum that most people need for their garage gyms but maybe the video should be amended to say the RML-3.
Stay big!
Yeah said to see Rogue doesn't seem to be supporting the 2x3 world much any more :(
Love my RM-4. Def more expensive, but super versatile and has a reasonable footprint. Also, with the stabilizer bar there was no need to bolt it to the floor and f'up my garage floor.
Love my Monster too, just for most I think they're not willing to drop that kind of money, nor do they care about some of the premiums.
Love this rack, I take this rack over a 3x3 rogue rack any day.
I think a lot of people would like this better as Rogue racks are fairly wide so having that 2” extra width back makes a big difference.
Hard to disagree! I started with the R-3 (Bolt together) and owned it for 2 years before the upgrade. It’s a great rack.
Def a rack for the people!
Hi, could you tell me, if your bolt together version was stable? I am planning on not bolting it to the ground which should work with the R-3 but I am unsure about the bolted version since the often have a suboptimal fit and that is the only one available in europe :/ I am thinking more about the RML-390BT however, since I like the 3x3 format and that I can add accessories anywhere
I train in a tiny space and got an R-3. Perfect for my small garage gym.
Def a worthy rack!
Don’t forget the little hack of getting the bolted version of the R-3. I’ve had one for the past two years, best decision. Bolted version has the option for a slightly deeper rack and with my 8 ft high garage ceiling, I could bolt my pull-up bar slightly lower so I don’t bang my head.
Nice!
Would you say the bolted version is still stable without bolting it to the ground?
@@welltbeats it definitely will wobble if you don’t bolt it down. I have seen people use weight storage pins on the rack to weight it down with a bunch of 45s, but I personally wouldn’t feel safe unless it’s bolted. I do however prefer to work outside of the rack with safety arms
@@sirkam111 ok, thanks, then I‘ll probably go with the RML-390F instead
I like that the band pegs are included. I *should* have bought this rack instead of my Vanswe with lat pull extension...or, just a reason to buy another rack :)
Thanks Brandon!
Hah I find myself trying to find reasons not to buy stuff these days, Have a slight problem.
I bought an RML-6 in blue just like you for my first heavy duty garage gym rack, but when I expanded into a full gym and needed more racks I bought R-3's (connected with 70" pull up bars like Coop's). The R-3's get significantly more use.
Sounds like quite the set up!
Just a thought. For those out there working out with a partner/spouse etc., a 4' deep rack with two bars in play allow pretty decent parallel workouts. Not very easy with a 3' deep rack, even if positioned on the outside with spotter arms.
Right on
SM-2 is the best for me. It’s not to big or small just perfect.
Right on!
1:13 I have a cage very similar. Trust me, YOU DONT want it. I have wayyy too many issues, it very much limits my walkout and it limits my space for the weighs on a walkout bang the side of the bars and while going up I bang the j-hooks (I have a combo rack coming)
That 24" depth is a deal breaker for me. I have a longer walkout when squatting and 24" is to narrow. 30-36" inside depth is perfect.
That's one of the things with Rogue racks people "run into". They're a bit wider but the 2x2 or 2x3 will be easier in that regard compared to the 3x3 stuff. I find 24" deep to be doable, just makes you clean up your walk out.
I really struggle with the short depth and I use the monolift arms for box squatting. I’m not sure you should be relying on good technique when you are in the 90% range to prevent anything. The rack is supposed to save you. I think this would be resolved by using an R4 instead but I might be wrong.
@@BasementBrandon unless youre Brian shaw size it's a non issue...
@@Pler1978 Shaw would hate life if he had to squat in such an enclosed space for his huge ass body would have NO space
The R3 is a great rack. I love my Fortis Rack. It would be cool if they would do a 6 post with a smaller footprint. Kinda like the RM 3 in a 6 post version. Similar to some of the Elite FTS racks. And Brandon that Boneyard Cerakote Ohio Deadlift Bar I just grabbed was flawless. Not sure why it was in the Boneyard but $285 all in is a steal.
You can get a smaller footprint 6 post, just need to ask and might cost some depending on what you're looking to do. I may add an extension to my RM3 once we're in the new house. What color cerakote did you get?
HR2 pieces combined with R3 pieces?
@@BasementBrandon I got the blue one. Rogue logo on the barbell. And it had the Boneyard end caps. Unlike your 30mm Oly bar.😆 It's a strange bar though. I have been lifting on a stiff bar for 20 years so the flex feels odd. The knurling is more aggressive than my Ohio Power Bar. The flex didn't really come into play till I was around 405. It looks like something fun to change things up with.
This is what i have! solid rack and hasnt failed me yet
My man
Reminds me of baywatch
It's a great rack. I had it. Only issue I found was that it lacked refinement and some versatility. The main issue i had was that even with the 30 inch depth you cant really train with 2 people on it. You both need to be doing the same exercise. Over time i wanted the finer things the monster line offers and the full rack.
@@Pler1978 I find that racks that lack depth don't allow you to bench on the front then squat in the rack at the same time. Not a deal breaker but just something to keep in mind that over time may become annoying.
I could see that, if someone wanted to have dual set ups something that was 43" for depth would probably be a better starting point.
Rogue Europe need to supply the R-3 in shorty, they have the bolt together but the solid one is sort after and be better option for peoples pockets here
ah bummer
I'm used to squatting in a gym that most likely has 40" depth, vs the 24" or 30" you're reviewing here for this rack. Do you think it's a big adjustment to go from 40" to say 24" or is it just something that'll be easy to get used to? I can't consider anything more than 24" due to the limited space we have at home. I'm also thinking about the RML-3W Fold Back Wall Mount as well (for the footprint situation).
I think 24 is a bit tight (but doable). Rogue's racks tend to be a little wider so that may be an added issue at that depth.
Picked up a 90’ RM-3 this past November. I really love it. Would absolutely never go for any less than a full cage. The peace of mind I get knowing I’ll be safe when going for PRs or reps to failure inside the rack is worth every penny for me. Also I’m 6’2 with a 77in reach and comfortably do overhead press inside the 90’ rack, with about 1’ or so of room.
I'm partial to that rack as well :) What color did you get?
Brandon Campbell Diamond Got it in black, looks sharp with my dark colored beater bar and York legacy plates.
Can do that on foldable rack too with spotter arms right?
I went with RML-3 and it was the best decision I ever made.
Def a good rack too, but no shorty option and the rack and accessories are more $.
@@BasementBrandon would you say this isn‘t worth the extra stability and mounting possibilites? The R-3 looks a lot more fragile especially without bolting them down
@@welltbeats I think bolting this particular rack is a must.
I bought the rml-490 a couple years back and like it for the extra depth vs the r-3 and extra width vs the r-4.
Def a deeper rack is preferable for some (I think 30" is most ideal), but for the width, they're identical on the inside (43") but the R3 actually gives you 1" more space on the exterior of the rack (2x3 vs 3x3), so it's probably more ideal for those who have issues hitting the uprights!
1000% agree!
Thanks Matt!
Great content. This helps a lot. Thank you!
Glad to hear it!
What are the downsides of the less stout racks. If you’re squats are less than 600lbs, does anyone really need the monster vs the infinity line?
Accessories come to mind. The Monster line usually gets the newest stuff first and then the RML and maybe it trickles down after that.
I have the R-4 of the Infinity line. Like Wild Bill says, the versatility is incredible. I have a matador for dips, single landmine for shoulders and back, X-43M Crossmember to hang my TRX strap off of and do different pull ups off of and Infinity Slinger to work triceps, abs and lats. Love my rig
Accessories are one thing, but also even if you never hit/exceed the max capacity, you get a lot closer to "maxing" out the rack. LEt's say you squat 500lbs, that puts you at 83% capacity vs a 1500lbs rated rack at 33%. This means if you get stronger you risk some serious injury, but also can easily outgrow the rack.
There's a video somewhere around of chad wesley smith failing like a 800lb squat in a r3. Not sure how many times it could take a fail like that but sure held up that 1 time.
Hell yah. Awesome review. Been trying to figure out wut rack to go with. Looks like im probably going rogue. Does the monster lite have a shorter height version like the r3??
Don't believe so :(
We do not have access to "Monster" brand products in AU. I think our equivalent is the RML-390BT which comes in 24" and 30" depth, just not sure if that is the inner squat depth or if that includes 6" for the posts. How realistic is it to use this for plate storage? I can imagine a loaded barbell would interfere with the weights, so if you want all in one you'd want a deeper model or by separate for storage. Having never squatted in a rack, it feels like even 30" will feel small. I also wonder how easy it would be getting a 2.2 meter barbell into such a narrow cage, thinking the half rack (mounted to a wall or floor) with spotter arms would be the better option for small spaces.
I believe they will be coming soon. Those depths just refer to the room inside the rack. You can still do plate storage on them, but need to get creative in placement.
@@BasementBrandon It all depends on your space I suppose. I have a meager 3.5 x 3.6m (11.48' x 11.81') to setup a home gym and need to consider the space around the rack and where I'm facing when trying to squat. I'm thinking that I'll be squatting outside of the rack/cage and will rely on the spotter arms. I'm also expecting that maneuvering a barbell into the cage would also get tricky in a small space; you definitely want to walk it in to avoid injury. We do get most of the Monster Lite stuff, just not the big brother line. Thanks.
Brandon as you know i"ve been back and forth with Rep and looking at there racks but now i've been looking at Rogue thanks to your videos lol.. I'm looking at the RM-4 Fortis Rack or the 490C RML rack. My question is i can add the same attachments to the Fortis as a Monster Lite Rack? You are right though attachments get a little pricer on the Lite series... I feel like i could get the rack faster through Rogue then Rep at the moment
No, fortis is 1" hardware, so the monster lite would be too small!
do you think a 24" depth in enough room to squat inside the rack? I'm 6'2 and about 200lbs. Seriously considering the R3 but might go with something bigger if the dimensions are too small.. thanks!
I have no issues (6'3")
I’ve had the R-3BT in the 40” dee variant for years. I love it! It’s been in storage a few years, and I’m about to reassemble it and bolt it down to a new platform.
Right on!
Major spotter fail in that clip.
Almost had it...
ive been debating between this and a foldable wall mount rack just so I can park my car in the garage if guests come over to free up the driveway. Im a little leery about how well a wall mounted foldable rack would hold 400-500 pounds though. Bandon have you ever talked about a budget deadlift option? platforms are obscenely expensive and bumper plates are big enough it can limit how much weight you can use.
My only issue with a folding rack is you can't workout inside it (with safeties). In terms of holding weight, they should be good as long as it's anchored correctly. For DL platforms, you can build your own very easily. Would suggest a base later of 4'x8" plywood (
Iam on the same boat. I do not know which one to buy r3 or foldable one? The folder one comes with spotter arms though:) no peg for bands or rack pulls:(
Need some advice: Rogue R3 vs Rogue SML-2C (with spotter arms) in terms of versatility (bench, squat, pull-ups)?
Money is not a factor. Height is not a factor.
However, I have steel plates and my floor is double layer of stall mats (1.5 inches thick). Since my flooring is all stall mats, I wouldnt want to drill into them if possible (not sure if the mat integrity is comprised).
I don't think you can get away with a r3 without bolting, so that kind of answers the question. Could also look into a flat foot rack.
Any opinion on the RML-390F? It's a little deeper but doesn't have to be bolted. Decisions decisions!
I'm not a fan of flat foot racks personally, but I know many who have that rack and love it.
Is there a big difference between the R3 and the 390C? Thanks.
size of tubes and accessories.
What are your thoughts or other people thoughts on the RML-390F FLAT FOOT option from Rogue. For a little bit more than 100$ Canadian this was the option I selected 4 years ago and still to this day I wouldn't change a thing since no need to bolt it to the ground and you got about 6" more within the cage 24" vs 30". Dont know why this option is not more popular since seeing this rack in home gym is still rare.
I just don't like the feel or look of a flat foot rack personally. I know it helps if you can't bolt down, but I've seen a lot of people have issues with them in home environments due to a sloped floor.
Only downside, I believe, is that you have to bolt the rack down.
Matthew Joynt agreed but it’s easy to make a cheap platform to do so!
Very helpful, thank you.
You're welcome!
Unfortunately here in Australia we don't get the full range of racks.
Ah sorry to hear!
@@BasementBrandon at least we get Rogue products many I own.
I went with the RML390 F, because I needed a flat foot rack, since im in an apartment, cant bolt to floor, and don't want a fat ass plywood chunk in my tiny living room. Costed about 100 bucks more, but for the flat feet, and the 3x3 steel, im not complaining. wouldve liked the cheaper accessories tho.
Nice! I'm not a fan of flat foot racks as I find they don't translate well to garages or basements with a slight grade, glad it's been working for you!
@@BasementBrandon Hello. Thank you for the video. I ran across your post regarding floor grade and I have that problem in my garage. What are the solutions people are using? Building a floor platform that level and then bolting the rack to that platform?
@@connorjamison3244 I think most of the issues stem from trying to deadlift. I would say to build a platform and then shim it so it's level.
Bells of steel has some awesome racks too for a good price.
They offer some affordable options (especially if you're in canada), but they have weird sizes of their racks (like 2.3"x2.3"), use lower gauge steel, and are limited in adapting other brands accessories.
Thanks for that info. I am in Canada and buying anything from the U.S can be a killer due to shipping and duties.
@@BasementBrandon you're spot on with all of this. Personally, I love the light commercial rack I got from them. Only cost me 700-750 CAD shipped I believe, so I could focus on getting a high quality barbell from Rogue. I don't mind the size or am too picky about anything, I expect the rack to get beat up and scratched. There are some flaws to it though, such as what you mentioned and also problems with roller cup stability, and the rack coming in with scuffs. Also, there were no tools that came within the boxes to screw everything in which was also a bit frustrating.
@@nikhilsrl no problem. This is why I went with them too. Read my reply to Brandon, and read his too. Overall I'm happy with the rack, and I hope you find one that fits your needs!
Do you prefer the cable set up you have on your rack? Or would you prefer a separate cable system? Space not being a big issue
I don't find the slinger to be a great option. I have a few videos on it.
I have the Slinger on my R-4 and I like it. I am space constrained and it saves on space.
I know nubies today believe they need top notch equipment from the start, you don't. And no it's not an investment, most people quit. A typical fitness center only has 10-20% of their members actually show up (been a trainer for 17 years). Small percentage of of those lift any real weight. Rogue equipment is not necessary for anyone training less than 5 years or so. Get any bench and pillars and see if you stick with it.
I wouldn't say Rogue is top notch in all circumstances, but they offer the best value to quality ratio and have extremely high resale values, if one does choose to sell it. I would also say that training at home is not for everyone.
Hey Brandon, do you think the infinity series will ever get the plate loaded version of the slinger? This is a major thing holding me back from going with the R-3 over Rml490c or RM3
I do not think it will TBH.
@@BasementBrandon would the monster kit fit or no way?
Anyone try to attach a HR-2 conversion kit to this rack for plate storage yet?
I feel like I've seen something like that on IG
Can you store plates on this, and if so, do you have to bolt it to the ground? Thanks Brandon!
Yes you would have to bolt. Prob don't want to store plates on here. Would likely hit them.
Does it have enough room to squat inside the squat rack comfortably? I don't have a huge walk out, but I do take a step back, and I was concerned about depth.
I find it to be ok, personally I like a 30" depth rack, def makes you clean up your walkout if you have a sloppy one!
do you have to bold down the r-3 because that's a deal-breaker for me?
Yep!
Has Rogue discontinued the infinity series, just bought a R3-BT, but could not find safety straps online.
The owner has said they have not.
Are there any main functional differences between the Monster Lite and infinity line? I’m trying to convince my SO who wants to buy an Amazon squat rack to save money over quality.
RML has more accessories, but not by that much (around 15 or so). Regardless, either will be far better than almost any rack on Amazon.
The Rep PR-4000 24" is almost exact price, except 3x3" uprights. Are you saying the Rouge R3 is better based on the infinity cheaper accessories...or just better as far as the Rouge choices?
This video was specifically talking about Rogue products and not other manufacturers.
@@BasementBrandon
At 6,4 are you able to perform military presses standing inside the cage without banging the crossmembers? Thanks for a very informative chanel!
Isac Coly if you have the 90” version and a wide OHP grip I could see it potentially working, but I’d feel better outside the rack still.
What’s the reason for the holes on the side of the uprights that looks like the 1” hole then right below what it looks like a 5/8” hole. Sort of like a tear drop look.
On the Monster racks? It's a keyhole and certain attachments can be used on them.
How do I know if a rack is going to be too short for me? I'm 6'1" (and still growing) and my dad is 6'4". We both plan on using whatever rack we decide to buy, we just don't know which one that is yet. I read the reviews on one of their racks and there were a couple minor complaints about it not being made for tall people (I don't recall which rack exactly I was looking at).
As long as it has a spot for a j-cup that is at least shoulder height you'll be fine. Most short racks start at 80" so it shouldn't be a problem as long as you're at that point.
What are your thoughts on body solid racks? A local store has one on sale and from what I've read it sounds too be a good product. But I know nothing about racks
Depends which one you're looking at. The more affordable ones I'd put in the beginner category as they don't have many options and aren't rated that hight for total capacity.
@@BasementBrandon I guess I fit that build then. I'm not looking to lift heavy. Maybe put a max of 200 lbs on the bar for a squat.
I can’t find the infinity safety straps anymore on rogue or anywhere
Don't believe they make them.
Can you review the Rogue combo rack please?
If I get my hands on one.
Any experience with the Rogue RML-90SLIM Rack? I’m trying to find the best space efficient option, it’s one I haven’t seen anyone review. Obviously you have to use spotter arms given it’s not a full rack. I was wondering if this is more stable than their folding option.
Just came out last week, so you won't find much feedback on it.
Brandon Campbell Diamond Thanks for the reply. Oh, didn’t realize it was new. That makes more sense then, it looks promising for budget and space.
Will I be able to add accessories to foldable rack if I wanted too? Plani g on buying the trolly arms:)
Brandon, what's the difference / pros and cons of the R-3 and R-3 BT?
price and size (in terms of shipping), BT is bolt together meaning more pieces vs the r-3 which is basically two welded sides that connect via a pull up bar.
@@BasementBrandon thank you for the prompt response! One more question if you dont mind, im looking for a rack that doesnt need to be bolted down, any recommendations based on your experience?
This channel is basically becoming a rogue ad
Nah, I review a lot of Rogue stuff as it's the most popular and usually some of best built, but I give them plenty of criticism as well.
What do you think of the shortie version ?
I use it in a gym I visit in Seattle. Works fine outside of having to bend your legs to do pull-ups.
Do you think 24 inches is enough depth to Squat, bench and row?
I think it's sufficient, although I prefer 30"
I'm 6'2" and I haven't had any issues benching or squatting inside, but I would have preferred the 30"
If I wanted a quality rogue rack for powerlifting (squat around 500) that DOES NOT need to be bolted down what would you suggest?
Personally I'd go RM3 and buy the half rack feet to stabilize it. You could also look at some of their squat stands or flat feet rack, but they have limited expandibility.
@@BasementBrandon Brandon you’re the goat. Built 2 “budget” rogue home gyms for powerlifting following your guides and you always reply. Thanks 🙏
@@josurke Must have a big budget i nthat case! 😅 appreciate it!
@@BasementBrandon What about just going RM4 with the stabilizer bar...?
@@josurke I sitll might worry about tipping unless you have plate storage or the feet.
According to a Rogue rep,
the Infinity series will be discontinued.
I have the R-3. Love it and the Infinity accessories. I had contacted Rogue late last year about whether they would be making an Infinity version of the Squat Handles and that was part of their response saying that they were not at this time and it's possible that they may not be able to. Sad to see this value going away!
I just don't think it makes sense for most (or Rogue), they want you to get into their other lines where there's more options to spend more money :)
Doesn’t make any sense to me. Infinity is where they came from. Actually, if Titan are just raping their Infinity sales maybe they just drop it and let Titan work out how to rip off their Monster Lite designs for the 2x3?
Australia doesn’t have any infinity. It’s all monster lite. This could be a good test case.
What's the main difference between the r3 and the rml3? I know it's 2x3 vs 3x3 steel but are there any other differences?
attachment availability and customization
@@BasementBrandon thanks brandon, I appreciate the response.
Since I think I'm the same height at you (6 foot 3) do you think theres enough space to sumo deadlift inside of the r-3 without issues? It looks a bit cramped on the picture but it could just be the angle. Thanks!
Edit: actually, since theres band pins on either side i d presume there should be enough room?
Why would you deadlift inside a rack? Aside from the band pegs, it's a dumb concept to do
Limitted space?
Inside there is 43" (49" total counting the uprights). Rogue has some of the widest racks so if you could sumo in one, Rogue would be the choice. Depends on how wide your sumo pull is.
@@BasementBrandon ok thanks brandon
The welded R 3 might be a serious problem. I had this concern to. Depends on your platform choices. You need a single piece from side to side... but this isn’t a big deal if you can bolt the cross beams to different heights or add blocks. I have a 1.5” height platform underneath the welded R3 and I would hit the cross beams with an extreme sumo position. If you have a deadlift bar, this will help A LOT as you are pretty close to the cross beams.
Is the RML3 and R3 the same thing?
No r3 is 2x3, rml is 3x3.
Does this need to be bolted down ?
Yes, but it's much easier to build a standalone platform than other similar racks.
Do you need to bolt this 4 post rack down?
Yes
The best rack for most people is an el cheapo Ebay China made rack. Those can hold more than enough weight for most. There is no need for the Average Joe to buy Rogue.
Edited for spelling
Disagreed. While china offers some budget friendly options, it comes at the cost of lower quality, customer service, and accessories.
Can you pay them extra to install it?
No
@@BasementBrandon lol ok good to know thanks for the info.
Looking at all these racks while not having enough space for them in my small apartment lol
I’ve seen some racks in bedrooms. Just saying.
@@BasementBrandon Literally just scanned my bedroom after your comment to see if it would fit and considered it lol.
I have an rml 3 bolted to a platform in my living room. I live in a 625 sq ft 2nd floor condo. 5 barbells, 685# of plates, c2 rower, airdyne, kettlebells, med balls, dumbells, sandbag, plyo box, etc and I still have a fully functioning living space. With proper planning, you can do a lot with little space. Except for the cardio and box, it's all in a 5'x10' area
Got the R-3 cuz its what I could afford...no regrets
Right on!
too bad the S&H is about 300 dollars shipped to Texas...
I just checked and it's $125.
@@BasementBrandon Yes you are correct.
I'm debating on the X-3 Series Bolt Down Power Rack | Tall | 36 titan or the ROGUE RML-490, although the Rogue is twice the price but the quality if much better....
I am about to start watching. I have the R3. I am expecting that to be the answer.
Yes!
Hah there ya go!
3 views, 5 likes. Gains
CG KAJ my man
Are you sponsored by rogue? the best power rack for MOST people would probably be something like the rep fitness 1100, is just $230, and the quality is amazing (as all RepFitness products). Like rogue is awesome if you have the money but I don't understand why you keep recommending their products even in a budget when there is other awesome companies (Not titan fitness) that do it for half the price. Love your videos tho lol.
Valentin he supports Rogue because theyre American. RepFitness is built by Chinese kids in sweatshops.
Ever heard the phrase "you get what you pay for"? I am dubious of the quality on a $200 rack. Regardless of what company makes it. I spent more than that on my last barbell purchase. A rack is a major purchase and one you hope to only do once. Why cheap out? Only way I see myself replacing my current Monster Rack is for a 6 post version. I wish they made the RM3 in a 6 post version.
Valentin The rack is $230 because it has no availability for attachments and is wobbly 1’ by 1’ hardware. You are probably correct that a cheap rack like that would be best for most looking to just workout. This however is a powerlifting specific channel and the difference between a flimsy $230 rack and an overbuilt $800-1200 rack is night and day for a powerlifter. Options like rack customization, adding attachments, using bands or reverse bands are not available on a $230 rack. Also I’m not sure where you’re coming from trying to say that Rogue is more expensive than REP. REP also offers 3’ by 3’ steel racks for essentially the same price as Rogue. If any business is the most expensive it would be EliteFTS. Also Shipping from REP is very expensive. I live in NY and the shipping on a Rack and accessories from REP was over $200 more expensive than shipping from Rogue for me. All in all I’d agree with Brandon that Rogue for the most part is the best bang for your buck.
@@Stang_Gang_8 Elite FTS shipping expensive? Sorinex has joined the chat.
He's just a Rogue groupie and welcomes their jizzims 7 days a week across his face
I cant stand Westside spacing
no? how come?
Does the r3 need to be bolted to the ground?
Yes.
was that guy okay in the middle of the video?
As far as I know!
Again one minute ago 😁
jeroen uijlen quick on the draw!
highlights 69 hahaha
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