AMD K5-PR200 133 MHz - 3dfx Voodoo Rush running Games from 1996/1997!
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2019
- Some 3D accelerated Games from 1996/97, running on a Socket 7 system with AMDs fastest and never officially released K5 CPU, the PR200 with 133MHz (overclocked PR166) and the not so popular 3dfx Voodoo Rush with Alliance AT25 2D core! The used PR166 runs perfectly fine as a PR200 and also with undervolting from the default 3,52V@3,3V! All this retro hardware was from the year 1997 (AMD K5 PR166 Release: January 1997)! The Voodoo Rush should be the successor of the original Voodoo Graphics, but could never prevail. About 10% slower than the Voodoo Graphics, but with a build in Triangle Setup engine, which can help slower CPUs with a weak FPU to achieve a better performance!
I recommend this article for more detailed infos about the Voodoo Rush: vintage3d.org/3dfx2.php
Used resolution: 640x480 (Direct3D, OpenGL, 3dfx Glide)
Hardware: 0:17
Hardware Infos and 3dfx driver settings: 1:02
Small note: 2:58
Games:
F1 Racing Simulation: 3:05
(the flickering in F1 comes from the enabled triple buffering)
GLQuake: 4:35
(the flickering in the HUD comes from the enabled triple buffering)
G-Police: 6:05
Hellbender: 7:35
Interstate 76: 9:04
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II: 10:35
MDK: 12:05
Monster Truck Madness: 13:35
Moto Racer: 15:05
Need for Speed 2 SE: 16:35
P.O.D. Planet of Death: 18:05
Quake 2: 19:35
Tomb Raider 2: 21:05
Turok: 22:35
Wing Commander 5 Prophecy: 24:05
Bonus:
Final Reality Benchmark (full demo): 25:35
System:
AMD K5 PR166 116.7 MHz, 3.52V @ PR200 133MHz, 3.3V
Gigabyte GA-586T2 Rev. 1.2, Intel 430TX, Socket 7 (latest 2.2 Bios)
1x 64MB Mosel-Vitelic SDRAM PC133@66 (64MB is the max. cachable area of the 430TX chipset for best performance)
California Graphics 3D Emotion PCI 6MB, 3dfx Voodoo Rush with Alliance ProMotion AT25 2D core
Terratec Solo 1 (ESS SOLO-1) PCI soundcard
ExcelStor ES3220 20 GB IDE HDD
Toshiba SD-M 1502 DVD-ROM
Enermax EN-365AX 365W ATX 1.3
Windows 98 SE with SP 2.1e
Recorded with Panasonic HC-V180 and StarTech USB32DVCAPRO USB 3.0 Capture Device. - Ігри
If humanity manage to build time machine, I would definately visit 90s once again! And you know why ;)
Thumbs up for Interstate 76! Best game of all time.
its a history!
Brings back a lot of memories, back then I assembled my own PC, combining AMD K6-200MHZ +32MB RAM+Gigabyte GA-586TX2+S3 Virge DX, later on I bought my first 3D accelerator: Voodoo 1, the result was AWESOME!!!
By the way, there's a small story about Voodoo Rush, actually it didn't occur on me, it's my classmate, back then he bought a Voodoo Rush, but not for 3D gaming, he used his PC to play Red Alert. The reason he bought Voodoo Rush was because it has more RAM than his existing display card, which only has 1MB as I remember, and it did perform much faster in Red Alert with Voodoo Rush!!
the voodoo rush actually gets worse performance that the voodoo 1 even though its only 4 megs.Cause the voodoo 1 being only a 3d accelerator is able to focus all of the gpu power to 3d instead of 2d and 3d.I have both of these cards, i actually have several of them lol
The Voodoo rush has no 2d part, so it is not true. Voodoo rush cards mostly did have alliance 2d chips and just took over the 3d part like a usual Voodoo 1 would do. Further more the voodoo rush offered a few more features that helped on lower cpus. The main reason for the lower performance was simpley the lower core clock.
Hellbender, G-Police, WC V - I hardly ever see these in the random 3dfx card videos youtube feeds me!
GLQuake, one of my favourites in this video!
3D accelerated Retro Gaming on a AMD K5, very nice!
Wow, i discover your youtube channel only today. I love th8s kind of video and the hardware you show working at the top 👍
i bought this card for my win98 pentium 1 133 machine with 16 mb ram :D
I remember my first pc was a k5 i stuck a voodoo 2 in it played total air war was sick
greetings from slovakia, good video man. hopefully vlare will come back.
This excellent quality sound and video! Thanks for taking us back in the past.
good old memories, one chipset for all: Cyrix, IDT, AMD and Intel. I have my Soyo SY-5BT with i430TX. Good work!
good times! Guaranteed fun!
Never got the chance of messing around with the voodoo rush back in the day.
I gotta look for one!
Great video.
Something about the K5 and Voodoo makes them work together really well. I tested a PR133 with a Voodoo1 vs Riva128, and Voodoo1 came out on top in all games tested, despite Riva having triangle setup. Maybe it's the low CPU overhead of the Voodoo.
I also have tested the IDT Winchip C6/2 200, AMD K6/K6-II 200, Cyrix 6x86MX PR233 and Pentium-S 200 / 200 MMX. The K5 was my favourite. I also have a K5 PR150, but is not good for overclocking. PR166 was unstable with the PR150, so I have looked for a better K5 CPU that also run stable with PR200 speed and had the luck to get a PR166 with the better C stepping. Real PR200 K5s are very heavy to find...
for Glide and "minigl" games(a wrapper that let specific games run ogl on glide hardware..not a true ogl driver) the perf tended to be better for a few reasons...glide is a low level API, it has direct hardware access, also the minigl wrappers for games tended to be made by 3dfx so were very well optimized for the hardware.
the PowerVR PCx2 cards are actually a bit better then the voodoo for games that support powersgl(quite a few titles of the day did, its very similar to what was used for the arcade hardware the pcx2 is based on so...many game houses had exp with it anyway..)
i would love to see the PowerVR based equiv of the Rush tested, the Apocalypse 5d, unlike the Rush, the 5d also had one of the best 2d chipsets of the day, pair it with a voodoo/voodoo2sli and.. you would have the best of both worlds..
as to nVidia, their drivers back then were not the best optimized, you really needed a k6-2 or better if you wanted optimizations out of nvidia cards..
Great trip down memory lane .... really awesome ! Totally forgot about that Final Reality benchmark :) Really cool...
Thanks for watching and your comment! The Final Reality benchmark was very hardware hungry in 1997, even a Pentium MMX has to fight there in the City Scene.
ThumbsUP for the music!...and for the games!
You finaly did it! Thank you very much! Awesome Video! Sadly i can hit only once the like Button!!!
The same for your newest video.👍🏻
Great video again! ^_^ I was a bit late to watch it. :(
None of this is going on. 🙂
Nice video as always. I like retro pc gaming hardware as you. Rush is rushed. Nice to see it works, but single voodoo1 probably performs better. Is nice to test some socket7 AMD's, but personally I think MMX intructions and Voodoo is just it. For example period correct P55C Pentium 233Mhz MMX (june 1997) + Voodoo1 (1996-7). GlQuake will feel excellent and play well on it, especially with HX or TX chipset
Had this abomination, that was before I had a Voodoo Monster ! :)
I like your videos
voodoo 1 was kind revolution but nvidia Riva TNT1 was crushing Voodoo2 in every way in quality render and 32bit specially tnt2 ultra then it was over i even had TNT1 with voodoo2 sli and only used voodoo2 very rarely then few month later upgraded to TNT2 Ultra still have them all i actually have almost all voodoo line up cause i was building systems from back them
Voodoo Rush image quality is actually really good. Better than Voodoo 2 I think. (And considerably better than Voodoo 1 standalone card with passthrough)
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Mega! Vielen Dank! Aber MW 2 hat gefehlt 😅 hat mich mega an meine Jazz Adrenaline Rush 3d mit P133 erinnert🥰 damals fand ich die Performance wahnsinnig gut. Hätte man mit eine Voodoo 1 gegeben, hätte es mich wohl Ultra überrascht das auch Zb ein P233 der Karte zu noch mehr Performance verhalf. Vielen Dank👌
Danke! MW2 dem Kult Klassikerspiel schlechthin, werde ich mal ein eigenes Video widmen. :)
very nice. i dont think i've seen much of the rush. and i dont think i've ever used a k5!
i am running a similar setup - mmx 166 with banshee on mvp3 chipset. the banshee is really held back by the pentium but it will be getting pulled out tomorrow for my k6-2+ 550 that arrived this afternoon :D i just couldnt stand the framerates, and the pentium was a bonus when i bought the motherboard.
thanks for the video :) edit: poor quake 2 lol
AMD K6-II/III (+) and Voodoo Banshee is a very good combination, also using this CPU for my Banshee system. Yes, Quake 1 and 2 was more optimized for the Pentium CPUs, but its still playable. :)
I remember the fuzzy 2D image off the Rush 😂 glad that era is over
"build in Triangle Setup"
I know Rush was often advertised that way, but even 3dfx Glide documentation says things like: "performance degradation on platforms (e.g. SST-1 and SST-96) that don’t have a triangle setup unit."
SST-96 Specification Changes from SST-1 lists only one triangle affecting difference - Clipping, obvious considering SST-1 had to be modified for windowed modes.
Vsync can also not be disabled on the SST-96, says the SST-96 technical spec document . Triple Buffering is the only option, but some games like GLQuake or F1 Racing simulation in this video, are flickering, after enabling this feature.
you still alive? We miss your videos
Finally!!! A video showing that the voodoo rush in FACT did NOT suck as so many like to report. My 1st entry into the Glide era was with the Diamond Monster Fusion pci card, god I loved that thing!
Diamond Monster Fusion is not a Voodoo Rush card though (just mentioning it in case you think it is).
@@armorgeddon Why thank you! Yes, the fusion was the banshee chip which I was weary of getting recalling the abysmal reviews of the rush at the time, hence what brought me here as there was no youtube back in 98. My 12yr old self would have been content with the rush now that I see this : D
:-) I also skipped getting a Voodoo Graphics or Rush which I thought about pimping my Pentium 100@120 with back in the day. A year later I got a Pentium II and I ordered that one with a Banshee. The shop choose a Creative 3D Blaster Banshee AGP as the model of card and I was very happy with it until I could afford the Voodoo5. I still have that Banshee card and a duplicate which my best friend bought for himself in 1999. Both still work despite it's passive cooler hooray. The Monster Fusion in contrast has active cooling which really makes sense on a Banshee. Greetings!
@@armorgeddon I rocked the fusion PCI for a little over a year in my rig until I came across a bare OEM Voodoo 3 3000 for $35 at the local computer fair I couldnt turn that down! Win XP is what forced me to give up 3DFX for my Geforce 256 ddr which I still have today. My banshee and my V3 have seemed to gotten lost in the shiffle sadly.
turning down the computer opponents in moto racer really helps the framerate. i put it down to 8 i think and got an extra 10 or so fps. i might also be confusing myself with redline racer's options but it works in that too.
Please show a comparison of this system with voodoo1
Cool to see it tested, seems slow but hey it's fun
*_Das waren noch Zeiten Geil_*
Your videos are excellent. Why did you stop posting new ones ?
Never saw a K5 PR166 that is so nice for overclocking, also works fine with 133 MHz in Windows and still runs with only 3.3V! You got a K5 Gold edition!
I bought the K5 PR166 as an untested processor.
Runs really nice!
@@matthias3236 Luck!
Not bad for a AMD K5 with the slow FPU unit !
I also have a K5 system and I prefer this processor over the classic Pentium.
👍👍👍👍. Now I understand why Rush wasn’t so in love with gamers of it’s time...and the case is not only on slow AMD K5, I think Voodoo could take all games shown in this video with fixed 30 frames per second, and even more.
The K5 is a good CPU, I like it, in special the Integer performance is nice and its a not often seeing retro build (K5 + Voodoo). The Voodoo helps the K5 a lot in 3D accelerated games.
3Dfx_Aslinger I have anything against K5, I’m sure that if there would Pentium 133, or something like that, in this build with Rush, the result could be very same, it is the Rush what can’t accelerate games with enough speed.
Yes, the Rush scales not so good with faster CPUS, than the classic Voodoo Graphics SST-1.
How do you get a fps counter in turok?
19:40 is that trent reznor or am i wrong?
Where's Unreal, Quake 3, Descent 3, and Half Life
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Why are the numbers on the HUD flickering in GLQuake?
Some games are flickering with Enabled Triple Buffering on the Voodoo Rush, the same in F1 Racing Simulation, but gives more performance. Maybe has to do with the 2D/3D chip combination.
I am Turok! Man, that was long time ago! I remeber playing tis game back in the day of some sort of S3 card, gaming back then was way diffrent from now. More interesting and worth attention, now is too many stupid games. Who's making them zombies?
I have legit copy of G-Police still. It is so weird to see them in 640*480. I dont think I can play them like this now. Ok. Im not the 4k gamer, but 640*480... Ok I play some N64 games on 40" TV with even less resolution. Anyway.
F1 Racing Simulation so smooth on a Rush? I had a Penitum 100 with a Voodoo Graphics back in the day and it didn't run that smooth. Quake with Fraps???
I had a Pentium 90 with a Voodoo 1 4MB in 1997 and also played this game, but don't remember how it went. The enabled triple buffer gives a little bit smoother experiences in F1 Racing Simulation, but also shows a flickering in this game, as you can see on the screen edges. Yes, Fraps works also in OpenGL mode. This was my first test and use with a Voodoo Rush to get some experiences with this card.
Aaaa, ol' Winbond BIOS!
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Nice, but what is slower ? K5 or Rush ?
Thanks for the question! The Voodoo Rush could also benefit from a faster CPU, like a Pentium 200, but not so much as with the classic Voodoo Graphics. I have choosed this combination, to see how the K5 can handle 3D Games with the help of 3dfx Voodoo power! There is article of the Voodoo Rush, linked above in the video description.
Thank you. Very good job !
Played both Quake III and Unreal Tournament with P200 MMX and Voodoo Rush and well, this 3dfx was an exercice in patience, not the best product unfortunately.
Rajtracing on? ;)
Yes.
You also have a Voodoo Rush with Macronix chip? This chip has a very bad 2D image quality. Your card looks good under 2D. Good image quality.
Yes, I have a Rush with the Macronix, but this card is not working properly and has a very bad 2D image quality, also in 640x480.
So the Macronix version are bad.
Do you use Windows 98 or 95?
98 SE with unofficial Service Pack
@@3DfxAslinger Was the cache on the motherboard enabled?
Yes, also with the tightest memory timings.
@@3DfxAslinger Interesting. My friend and I have a voodoo rush, but no matter how hard we try, they don't work in glide. Thank you for your response
Same components and also a Rush with Alliance AT25 2D core?
I think the K5 is to slow for Q2
Voodoo Rush is slower than Voodoo I plus other 2d graphisc card and have very poor 2d chip (Aliance Promotion) with 50Hz refresh on text mode.
OK...
The Voodoo Rush was the worst card produced by 3dfx. Almost nobody purchased it.
Here and there you can pay attention to the Voodoo Rush, it was also part of the 3dfx family. Back in 1997, the Rush was interesting for PCs with not so much PCI slots, but yes, after 1 year, 3dfx has stopped the selling.
And this is a good 3dfx channel, as well as it should be here on youtube, showing all different Voodoo cards from 3dfx in action. From popular to unfamous on different systems. 😉
First! 😁
The rush runs horribly for Unreal