MILGRAM - Mahiru's Second Voice Drama (Love is [Un]Dead)
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- English translation by onigiriico on Tumblr: / onigiriico
It was done very quickly, so please try to thank them for their hard work. I took the liberty of editing some of the lines to sound smoother in English.
Hello everyone, ac here. I hope you're doing well!
I recently turned off all UA-cam notifications, as there were just too many, and sometimes people would be mean which I'd just rather not see lol. So as a result I'll likely end up missing most comments. Previously, I always moderated the comments, getting rid of anything too obscene or stupid or hate speech and whatnot, so I'm just hoping that won't end up being a problem. If you see something particularly bad you can DM me on Twitter and I'll make sure to deal with it.
Poor Mahiru... I feel very bad for her. Try your best to be respectful both of her struggles and injuries and the victim in her case. Clearly everyone has it rough. It was nice to see Es be so caring here- I think it's clear that their walls are slowly being broken down.
Have a great day! I'll see you again once all of their Twitter answers are posted.
Also I don't really remember, I think I might have mentioned it in my last video, but UA-cam rejected my request for channel monetization LMAO. It's not a very big deal (I will continue to make these anyway) but L for me... 😔
Voice Actors:
Es: Amami Yurina
Mahiru: Okasaki Miho
![MILGRAM / Mahiru - I Love You [The Second Trial Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6hq8hX6iX9w/mqdefault.jpg)
![АЛАУДИНОВ у Скабеевой: эти их ВСУ нас НЕ ДОГОНЯТ 😁 [Пародия]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/an0anqU4WGQ/mqdefault.jpg)
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For anyone with concerns about content warnings: her MV is explicit with depictions of both suicide and hanging, but the voice drama does not mention either.
11:26 wrong subtitle
Mahiru: Hehe… This is the power of… lo… ve…
Thank you for the warning, I haven’t seen the mv yet!!
"Oh my, are you crying? Es kun" girl you make the whole comunity crying
FRRRR My heart was full of tears & love by the end whejskdbn
At this point I’d do anything for this angelbaby, wtf she is actually shining holy light. And Mahiru REALLY made me want to “being in love” or whatever how she wanted ES to feel, even though I quite despise the idea of falling for someone
REAL😞
She almost sounds like a survivor of abuse. To me it explains why she's so quick to forgive those who have hurt her, she's used to covering for others. I had friends who'd often defend their partners in that sense, giving excuses such as "He had his reasons" or "It was probably going to happen anyway, you know who I am." She likes people that work hard, because she works hard to give the image of a healthy relationship towards the outside world. I dunno, something I picked up on when listening in
Yeah, she might've been abused in her childhood, that also explains her warped view of "love" and why her partner seems to have committed su1c1de because of her "love"
@@StrawberryHerring theirs a few Vicaloid songs about parental abuse which her boyfriend an girlfriend relationship give similar vibes
At first I had this theory where Mahiru was in an abusive relationship with her boyfriend in which she suffered a lot (like a battered woman) and as a defensive mechanism, started acting the same as her boyfriend which lead to his death.
One thing that made me think that is in her first song, when you read the magazine text, one of them goes along the line of "Got invited to his house for the first time. This was my first time going to a guy's house. Couldn't get any food down my throat the whole day... I can barely remember a thing!" (you can look out for @shiama1408's comment on "This is how to be in love with you" to see what I meant) which gives HUGE redflag tbh, like why can't she remember anything??
I'm not really sure in the end if that theory is plausible, but one thing is sure: she suffered too in this relationship. I just struggle to figure out how much
(Sorry if there's any mistake, English ain't my first language)
Yeah thats why her latest Mv flickers of how TOXIC and tragic her LOVE turn out
she definitely has an attachment disorder
Honestly I think from this and her second song, she’s actively trying to see what actually happened between her and her boyfriend.
She said that she wouldn’t change her love, but at least in the mv, her delusions of happiness in love are starting to fade away and she’s seeing the relationship for what it was: toxicity.
I think voting her innocent is good. She’s really sweet, she is trying. She just doesn’t fully understand the gravity of what was going on yet. She’s trying.
reminds me of the line towards Es from another audio "Just stop thinking" if it hurts so much work less but neither of them can to a fault
Mahiru's selflessness is so concerning omg... a people pleaser to the point of forgiving Kotoko for attacking her because "she's fighting for her own cause". Honey. Sweetie. If that cause means you were 1 shidou away from being unalive, I don't think you should be handing out forgiveness like that! I genuinely think the root cause of her 'murder' is this "I'll change myself for you no matter how much it hurts me because that's what love's about" mindset. That chameleon-like ability distanced herself from her boyfriend because she couldn't be open and vulnerable in a relationship. And she doesn't even know it. Someone please help get this woman therapy for not just her wellbeing but mine LMAO 😭💔
You should not hold a grudge but outright praising her alongside Es is fuked
HONESTLY 😭😭
1 shidou away omg 💀💀
Which makes. As if there is more to her life of people pleasing
I think Mahiru lacks a sense of self as well and uses love as a crutch for it. A few of the lines in the mv just gave me that impression
I feel like this drama says a lot about Es, in all honesty. I feel like they behave differently when interacting with Mahiru than the other prisoners. They straight-up refuse to let Shidou and Kazui refer to them so casually (Es-kun), but they’re perfectly content to let her refer to them so fondly. They seem genuinely upset about her condition and mad on her behalf at Kotoko. They don’t push her to talk like Haruka and Fuuta, and they don’t get snappy at her like they dk with Amane. I feel like they really do think of her as a “big sister”. I think that there’s a chance that the MILGRAM creators didn’t expect her to be voted guilty, and so Es’s reasoning for condemning her seems flimsy here.
EDIT: Holy…Es is literally crying because they’re so upset at how their judgment has broken her. They care about her. They really do.
Sorry for the long comment, I just thought that this kind of analysis was fun!!
EDIT AGAIN: I AM SO SORRY, I FIXED ES’ PRONOUNS
hellooo great analysis but i just want to let you know es's gender is unknown so it's best to use they/them for them!
Es reflects the viewers' emotions, that is why they sound the way they do.
@@Nichesheave not fully just a little bit with lines like "Who are you talking about" "Just stop thinking" getting to him so hard implying we are part of his disorder
Many audio dramas imply a lot about Es family life I can see him as a youngest sibling who was harmed by everyone older butting heads till it ruined Es
@@jellystualy Oh god, did I use he/him?! My bad, I’m changing it right now-
First 4 minutes and at this point Mahiru need a hug right now
oh definitely
That would probably hurt her tho
@@jigo9380 WAIT YOU'RE RIGHT OH NO
I’m gonna scream if I see "GUILTY" with those red eyes on top of her face
Well she is is guilty it's more a matter of what helps us understand them more
me too tbh. im gonna go riot
There's 15 days left in her vote, she's still currently above 70% innocent so hopefully she wouldn't drop that far in such a short amount of time.
My lord she was at 73.5 at one point but now she is at 69.59! We have two days left but Jesus what happened? Are the Kazui guilty shrine going after Mahiru! After a few months I usually stop voting becuase more than likely the general view is clear. I don’t think it’s fast enough but I find it unfair that many jump on board to do these kind of things
I wouldn't worry, there's next to no way her percentage could drop that much in only a day or so.@@Acecard-jl2py
If I’m honest, this really frustrates me. She doesn’t have to stop loving people, she needs to respect their boundaries and let them go when they want to leave. Yes, I feel bad for her, but I honestly don’t know if she wants to fix what happened. Her video insinuated such a dark and painful relationship that she blinded herself to. And it slightly frustrates me that I can’t just like reach through the screen and tell her that lol
Literally me lmfao
@Little Katipunero Prisoner 10 is gonna fourth wall our asses into losing bowel control at some point
u shpuld type this to their mv my guy, it'll reach them somehow!
@@rrosachinensis I don’t think it will bc I don’t think deco or yamanaka will understand it in English
@@kalmialow1272 welp, there's a thing called translate
also, Es is always so sweet in Mahiru's voice drama. i love it sm
But it's ruining him further it did not help him at all it just made him more stressed
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 welp, being in milgram did not help him in emotional way in the first place, ofc he will get stressed in some way in the future. at least now, he get to expressed some emotions for one of the prisoners.
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 and i guess, that's what make him 'human'. cause in the end of the day, he's still someone with no memories whatsoever that can still feel things even tho he cant remember things from before :D it did not help hi, ofc, that's what milgram is in the first place. it did not help anyone. but it did teach Es something that maybe only him can understand :D
How I feel about it, Mahiru was young and in love. She followed the path of mutual affection as any young girl would do but to HIM it was overbearing. In the MV we could see her partner giving her a tiny bite of cake, a small taste of something sweet and in parallel to her where she's giving him an entire fork full. Then cut to the vision of the cake being a rat, it makes sense how the little bits of attention and love he was giving her were just that. Either for show or to make her think he truly did care, and when she tried to return that affection it ultimately lead him to feel like he didn't want to be in the relationship. There wasn't communication on either side of this relationship, they were young and he fell out of love while she was still blissfully in the middle of it and instead of communicating to anyone that he was going through struggles he decided to end his life.
Let me repeat, that is NOT Mahiru's fault! She may blame herself, or feel guilty-- or even have an emotional regulative disorder like BPD but that does not make her an obsessive 'Yandere' or a fully fledges abuser who basically wanted that to happen to him. Mahiru may have been blind to him struggling and with therapy, communication and help she could've seen her love to him wasn't helping but instead he took the quick road out. In no way is that selfish or his fault either (because i've seen people say that too), He was just going through a lot himself. This was a couple with their own things going on and neither communicated they just kept going about masking and pretending until one was no longer strong enough to keep fighting.
It was so refreshing to see Es caring so deeply about Mahiru's condition, and truthfully I hope she gets voted Innocent because someone ending their life in a relationship is not the fault of another person in this exact scenario. Milgram as a whole proposes to us stories like this to make us think, WE are the Justice system we decide based on personal morality. I have LOADS more to say but applause to all the translators and to the teams who work on this project! Thank you for making such a wonderful experience for all of us to follow!
Absolutely wonderful comment! I really hope Mahiru gets the Innocent verdict she deserves. She's had enough at this point, and more than deserves our forgiveness IMO.
Despite this, I think it was a good call to not forgive her in Trial 1. Mahiru would've probably gotten more out of control with her love with the innocent vote reinforcing it; she likely would've thought she did nothing wrong. I think the guilty vote made Mahiru reflect on her actions during her relationship.
Might just be babbling, but that's how I see it.
She does not fully reflect
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 Exactly, but I hope it was at least enough for her unrealistic views of love to fade away (IF the majority forgives her)
I really wouldn't think not forgiving her in trial 1 is good due to the state she is in now, but I understand that it actually helped her calm down. But I wouldn't use my vote because of that anyways and still vote her forgivable.
@@AmaitaYumeI mean the state that she’s in rn is due to the audience voting for Kotoko being forgiven
Ye
Es is right, she's really impressive. She's totally broken, physically mentally, we didn't forgive her, Kotoko broke her arm... But she still forgive everyone. And despite that she didn't change her mind and give up on love. (She don't have to give up on love btw, she have to learn how to love properly, this is totally different)
Setting your own mind despite hearing a ton of people saying you're *wrong*, with a so low mental and physical health is REALLY impressive, yeah.
And the way she forgives Kotoko because "She's fighting for her own cause" is just destroying me too. First she doesn't have to forgive her, but she still do. Second, if only she was right... Because no. Kotoko didn't fought for her own cause here, Kotoko mindlessly follows our own orders without a clue of what Mahiru's crime actually was. If she followed her own rules I believe she wouldn't have beat up Mahiru. I'm not sure about the boys (She defend child abuse so Fuuta uuuh... And we don't know much about Mikoto's crime in the end), but she would never thinks Mahiru is guilty of anything... If only she could thinks properly instead of brainlessly attacking people because someone point their finger at them.
ANYWAY in conclusion please forgive her she deserves it
When the mv came out I was incredibly conflicted, but now that I have seen her voice drama, I can confidently say that Mahiru hasn't done anything wrong in her entire life Mahiru ily
No she has don't say shit like that or you become the pure opposite type of horror that Futta did bit just as destructive
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 STFU
@@cinnibunbun7389 your really gonna say that she is perfect and did nothing that mindset is how people get in positions like hers
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 She definitely is not, but that is clearly not the point. Objectively speaking, Mahiru never murdered anyone. Was their relationship unhealthy? Very much so. But did actually commit a crime? No.
@@cinnibunbun7389 involuntary man slaughter by being abusive as well as being abusive in general is a crime by law soo
she’s innocent i do not care. she did NOT deserve guilty last round and she might actually die if she gets voted guilty again
No she does soo does the man
i feel like no character will die individually, at least for a while, cuz after all milgram is a monetised project and i assume they need everyone for marketing. but, then again the devs may not gaf about marketing dead characters, in fact i'd like to be shocked and surprised actually :>
@@jellystualy 12th Prisoner surprise perhaps
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 perhaps!!
@@jellystualy well if they weren’t afraid to straight up show mahiru’s bf hanging, they won’t be afraid to kill off their main cast (which is what im afraid of)
Mahiru literally didn't understand that she was only making things worse. She believed that by giving her boyfriend only "sweets", she supported and helped him. But the guy was scared by Mahiru's behavior. Her words of support were literally poison, rot for him. Yes, maybe at first Mahiru's boyfriend tried to live in her bright world, avoiding problems and giving his girlfriend the same "sweets", but when the strength to lie ended and he asked Mahiru for help, she simply didn't understand that her words of support like "everything will be well, as long as we are together, I love you" don't help and have never helped. Because of this, Mahiru simply treated the guy to a "cake" as always, but this time the boyfriend himself could not ignore the truth, fully seeing how the world around them and themselves was crashed.
It honestly breaks my heart to see her on this point. When she got voted guilty i was devastated, when kotoko beat her to pulp i was even more confused and angry, and now that the MV was released i was even more sad. ON MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, I think she's innocent.
I am still very dumbfounded on why she was voted guilty in the first trial tbh , well at least people seem somewhat more aware on what way their vote affect the prisoners(until Amane second mv drop where she will be again be found guilty )
The vote makes sense the whole MV was false looking they mention it here
tbh, idk too. but people said that she was a yandere, a stalker that abuse her partner out of love. that's why ppl voted her guilty
Bruhhh Amane is literally a kid in a cult that would need deprogramming she’s literally not at fault for that even if she got brainwashed to think it’s okay
@@rrosachinensis minus the Yandere part their not wrong
@@senritsujumpsuit6021mahiru is not a stalker
the devil works fast but the milgram community works faster
Mahiru deserves all the love after what happened to her 🧡🧡🧡
That's just everyone thou
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 Kinda scared for Amane and Mikoto's voice drama 🥲
@@sweetcake6231 Mikoto I may hate how many normie views his MV got but as a component in Es an Milgram development his reaction to those normie voices is gonna be nuts
Welp. What to do.
Either make her an emotionaless husk and shell of a person who lacks love and probably basic empathy.
Or
Keep her as she is and reenforce that while she can be an empathetic person, it was RIGHT of her to love her deceased Ex-BF the way she did. Oh boy.
first option would do nicely
She does not lack empathy she has so much she praises her attacker fully
I haven’t seen the whole thing yet but the way she denies that she’s in pain almost defensively mixed with her continued belief that she just had a normal relationship just makes me think that she would have tried to hide her pain (from her lover and maybe even from herself) to keep up the image of a perfect loving relationship. Like she can put up with the pain and be okay as long as she’s doing it for love, and maybe there’s the sense that if she sacrifices so much and doesn’t burden him with her problems then nothing should be wrong right?
In the MV she turns around to see him tired an dirty as she Also looks horrible but pull out more cake AKA Rats to feed him
@@senritsujumpsuit6021Cause that's imagery in the most clear sense. She wasn't literally feeding him rats, she was feeding him with toxic behaviour, that she was thinking it was love cause of rose-colored lenses. She believed she was giving cake, aka love. Turns out her love wasn't cake, it was toxic and hurtful, rotten, but in the same way, he gave her the same cake to her in the start of the MV. I know you want to say she is evil and etc, but she sounds a lot like a victim that was reproducing what she learned. In not any moment she fed him with actual rats, it's pretty clear it was just a figurative way to show stuff.
@@Sweetwolfyn i know xd
@@Sweetwolfynexactly
i wanna hug her 😭 it breaks my heart seeing her like this
ELLIOT PFP SPOTTED
I was going to vote to forgive her either way, but hearing this made me more confident that it was the right decision. She confirms that nothing will change her mind, so I think she's safe from any sort of negative side effect from the judgement, like what happened to Amane after T1 . I was a little worried about a repeat of that but it seems like it more comes down to . She can move forward and get through this if she is forgiven (and gets therapy and a support network.... please Deco*27 .......) but that can't possibly happen if she remains unforgiven. This also almost explicitly confirmed a theory that I've had for a while that Mahiru is extremely depressed. I think she is likely also an abuse victim, not necessarily from her boyfriend even though they did have a mutually toxic relationship, but it seems like her idea of love was skewed even before that. Plus it was her first time dating anyone on top of that. I heavily relate to Mahiru honestly, Listening to this was so painful and I feel so much empathy for her, despite her mistakes and flaws she really is just trying her best and was thrown in a terrible situation and she deserves another chance. I'm not sure how much sense this comment makes, my thoughts aren't really collected at all, haha. I also have a lot of thoughts about how this will affect Es but this comment is scattered enough as it is so I'll go into that somewhere else later. Thanks for reading if you made it this far . Mappi I love youuu 🧡
If I'm being honest, I truly don't know whether she should be innocent or guilty for this one. She isn't aware that her relationship with her boyfriend was toxic but she is aware that it was her love that caused his death and deeply regrets it. This inclines me to choose guilty since she isn't choosing to change and truly reflect on her relationship with her boyfriend. She doesn't see anything wrong with her type of love and how that affected him. But at the same time, she genuinely is a sweet and kind person. She clearly did not do her crime on purpose. It's still not a good enough excuse to justify her being the cause of her boyfriend's suicide but it shows that she has no ill-intent. So in this case, would it really be right to vote a good person guilty? In addition, I'm worried that if she gets voted guilty again, something extremely bad might happen to her that might cause her to die before moving on to the 3rd trial. Though Kotoko made a cease fire agreement promising that she won't hurt those with a guilty verdict anymore, I still don't completely trust that. Mahiru is already in such a fragile state that I'm afraid that another guilty verdict might mean something bad for her. I'm honestly stuck on this one.
I think she should be voted guilty, if only to prevent her from killing again. It's impossible to save her ex, but it might be possible to save future victims.
Of course, she doesn't deserve to die or anything. My opinion is based only in her crime and not in metavoting. I don't think there's any danger of her dying though, because if that happened we wouldn't get a third song and I doubt the writers will go that far.
Where and when did Kotoko agreed on this?
@@shiroyay I saw people talking about it on reddit saying that she, Shidou, and Kazui had a cease fire agreement
@@khlo9900 This is news top me. Do you have a link to this?
My opinion is that morally she's on the guilty side of things but I fall firmly on the side of metavoting here and think innocent is the better vote.
Mahiru's main problem when it comes to guilt isn't her actions themselves; while it's unclear how far she went with whatever she considers normal "love", I don't think abuse that leads to suicide is the same as murder nor do I think even murder is truly unforgivable. The real problem is she is actively stating that she refuses to consider her actions as wrong even if they lead to the deaths of others and that she will not budge on this point no matter what. She acknowledges her actions are harmful but is so attached to this idea of love that she will not receive guidance towards a healthier mindset probably from anyone, especially not from us. She seemingly has no qualms about repeating her crime even with the newfound perspective she didn't have before. She might feel guiltier about it, but she won't stop.
I think that somebody does need to stop her and that she shouldn't be allowed to harm future victims, but I don't think Milgram is the place for that. I hope she receives support on the outside from people she's actually willing to listen to, but her development has basically been taken out of our hands. I don't think (especially with how nebulous the final verdict's consequences are) voting her guilty in this system is worth the risks to her safety, however in the wrong she is, just so we can extrajudicially punish her. Milgram as a system is obviously morally wrong so I think the goal for me at least in voting is just getting the prisoners through it with as little harm to their well-being (both physical and mental) as possible. Since guilty won't prevent her harmful ideology from perpetuating, I think it just won't be helpful.
As an aside, I suspect this might be a similar issue with Amane wherein we can't necessarily change her mind and have to instead vote based on how much of a threat she is to other prisoners (Shidou).
Mahiru is innocent 💯‼️
Nah far from it same with the Man
@senritsujumpsuit6021
It looks like a case of 2 ppl who liked each other but were incompatible and so both engaged in toxic behaviors bc they couldn't get along but they also couldn't leave each other alone. Given that Mahiru doesn't understand love, she also can't understand she was being toxic. I see no reason why she shouldn't be voted innocent this round
Edit 2: Nvm. Just finished the VD. No idea how she should be voted this round.
Edit: Oh hey! I think I saw you on the music video.
reminder: no characters are *innocent*. we are not voting them innocent or guilty. they are all already guilty of their crimes. we are only voting if they should be forgiven or not
Getting her painkillers as well as a Forgiven vote
DANG IT why is she so nice
I feel so bad
PRAYING MAHIRU STAYS ALIVE!!! SHES SUCH A SWEETHEART,,,
She’s so kind, willing to forgive kotoko and es for what they’ve done, I’m so sad she was even voted guilty in the first trial (luckily she will probably be voted innocent now)
this is unrelated to the video but i literally just got done binging all of milgram and went to try and find this voice drama because no one uploaded yet so I thought to check your channel first in case i missed it
lo and behold, uploaded 2 seconds ago when I clicked on the videos tab LOL. thank you for your work!! (the translators as well especially)
Y'all better make sure Kotoko ain't getting away with this
I fucking won't let kotoko get away
I'll smash that guilty button
KOTOKO IS FKIN GUILTY A LANDSLIDE
I really liked her voice that i researched her va and it turns out Rimuru had the same va 🤯 respect points ++++
*I'm very late for Milgram but OH MY GOD MAHIRU NOOOOOOO*
*I'd say someone needs to give her a hug, but that'd probably hurt her too. All she did was love someone and now she's in a wheelchair D:*
omg mahiru 😭😭😭 everything will be okay don't worry mappi ,😭❤️❤️
I understand what the people who are leaning towards voting her guilty and those who are torn between the innocent/guilty vote are saying, let me just add this. But let me just add this. If we vote her guilty again, and Kotoko attacks her again, there is a very high probability that Mahiru will be lost. In other words, she will DIE. As someone who personally doesn’t believe that Mahiru should have gotten guilty in the FIRST place( thought I am a wee bit glad because we got such a banger from her second trial), I want to vote her innocent. She acknowledges the fact that her abusing love was the reason of her bf’s suicide, and while she doesn’t agree with the fact that their relationship was toxic, I certainly believe that this is enough to see that she has learned her lesson in this context. I would actually CRY BIG MAN TEARS if a character like Mahiru would be voted guilty again and then die, especially since there are other character’s who knew EXACTLY what they were doing and got voted innocent *coughcough* HARUKA*cough*. I certainly don’t believe that Mahiru should die for her crimes at all. She suffered enough guys, just please let her get a therapist. Listen to her little hurt noises please :(
Edit: I said earlier that I don’t believe that she should have been voted guilty in the first place, but after rewatching her MV, I think this might have been the best(?) path for her. While I may be a Mahiru apologist, I’ll acknowledge the fact that she and her boyfriend were in a toxic relationship. In the suicide forest, while both are shown with raggedy clothes and scratches, the boyfriend is in the obvious worse state, while Mahiru is still in her own happy world acting like everything is fine. While I seriously doubt that there was any physical abuse in the relationship, I believe that the guilty vote let Mahiru experience what it was like for the boyfriend before he committed suicide: broken, mentally and emotionally drained, and maybe even some health/physical complications like that of which comes from mental diseases like depression and schizophrenia. It’s a punishment that sorta fits for her, but now I believe that she has suffered more than what she deserves, most of the excess punishment coming from Kotoko. I still won’t go back on the idea that she needs to be voted innocent for her third trial.
There's absolutely NO way Haruka knew what he was doing. Bro doesn't even know his own age and thinks speaking more than 1 language is impossible and barely even speaks one.
Extremely solid comment, this is essentially how I feel about her at the moment. I understand the Guilty votes for T1, but I'm worried that a 2nd Guilty verdict would seriously do her in. ; ;
milgram needs an onboard therapist in their prison 😂 everybody in there needs one for sure
This is so painful to watch, I definitely thought the stalker theory might be true and seeing this....even though I didn't vote, it feels like I did this 😭 Mahiru I'm so sorry
My guilty conscience can't handle this series I swear I'm going to implode and I've never even voted
The trial with Kotoko is going to be...
mahiru fans outside her cell
this was the first vd I watched. no way I've been in ths fandom for almost a year
Her selflessness is so bad, I hope she learns to become herself and get the love she needs, not wants. It drove her boyfriend to suicide, she needs therapy, not forgiveness
i feel like the not forgiven verdict will only worsen her mental state. she's not going to therapy with either verdict
“I just had a normal relationship like everyone else!”
Oh, honey. No…not at all!
Man, this is just depressing all around the place, on both parts
(Es cries oh nooooo D':)
His responses to her and Prisoners 5,9 an 10 imply his family was structured but got messy he might have been the youngest member
I'm split with my decition.
Mahiru seems to be chasing after the bliss of being in love and her intention haven't had any malice in them but I can imagine that her constand need for love ended up hurting him much more.
I believe she either tried to ignore the issues they both had or tried to drown these negative feelings with new exciting "love".
Also the end of Mahirus MV, switching between feeding him sweets and feeting him rats, makes me think this is her trying to convince herself, that everything is alright, in a "Look we are so happy, we love each other so much" kind of way. I also think the rats might be symbolizing, that she's making him sick with her constand treats (Since rats usually carry deseases)
While I do feel sorry for her, I can't tell if I vote her Innocent or guilty. Neither of both options feel right to me
As a spectator, I can say that you guys chose correctly by having Mahiru Guilty, but you all messed up by having Kotoko be selected as innocent. I don't understand much as I'm slowly going through the series. I can also imagine it was easy to forgive Kotoko not knowing she would be this violent. I guess In a way I kinda "forgive" the verdict on that aspect. Though I do wonder as I spectate more if the series is more so focused on if a character did something forgivable or not or maybe for some people it's their own way to control the feelings of others at their whim.
"I can make this person feel better if I do *this*" it's easy to think since it's what we worry about seeing Mahiru in this state, I far from think an innocent verdict would do any different from a guilty. Though I am aware that she has already been labeled innocent.
I think that this is a great drama, it really shows a lot of natural human nature through the viewers. Though I wonder as I go through these if we're deciding because of our own reflections on these people as well. I love this! I'm glad I got into this and I look forward into studying from an outside prospective as I refuse to partake in the voting aspect.
Seeing people's justifications for what they choose, the arguments and issues that follow are good to note when learning about human nature. Thank you uploader!
The way she kept saying "normal way to love someone" and then the obvious hint she was abused before, leads me to believe she had an abusive family or learned abusive love somewhere and then thought it was normal to be like that herself. Even if she had his best intentions in mind, and it stemming from other people, her actions are her own. It might be morally conflicting to not forgive someone totally delusional, but if she did this to the next person she fell in love with too, would that be okay? The problem is she said neither decision will change her viewpoint, she doesn't plan to reflect on the idea of her way of loving being wrong. So I assume people are just worried something worse will happen if she's voted guilty now, plus they feel pity for her. Personally I would still pick guilty but I don't know that that would help anything by this point...
I sort of wish we’d see Kotoko show up before her interrogation. I mean, I get it. They’re saving the person we want to hear an explanation from the most for last, but she promised to supply information if she was voted innocent. And so far (unless she’s been slipping the fandom information somewhere I’m not aware of) we haven’t heard anything from her. It’ll be too late to use it if she gives it during her voice drama, as everyone aside from maybe Mikoto will already have been voted on.
There are the timeline conversations on the Portal app, translations of which are all on the wiki, and we do hear her talk to the other prisoners there but she has not communicated with us since the results were announced.
when she said it's not hurt, compared to how Es chose not to forgive her ... ; ~~ ;
fsdh must be hard for Es-kun (and the production team) who gotta come up with reasoning of why we decided Mahiru is guilty.
it's interesting how kotoko ended up hurting futa and mahiru who actually kinda regretted they ever took someone's life.
and missed the actual ones who are sinister.
i wonder what could have happened if muu and haruka were found guilty on the first trial.
maybe haruka would get beaten, trying to protect muu?
and so muu would actually turn up unscathed just like mikoto.
sometimes judgement just keep missing those who actually deserve it.
it might not even possible, but i wished we could see all the alternative outcome of different judgements.
Milgram concept is too interesting.
Thanks for uploading so fast!
Even though she looks pitiable, I don't think there's much of a reason to forgive someone who is unwilling to change. I still expected her to be voted innocent because of this, but if she doesn't learn she might kill again. This is one of the rare cases when I feel confident in my choice.
i think the problem is more of that she doesnt know how to love in a healthy way, since she had ever only been in a toxic relationship with her bf and might be mistaking that toxicity as love? anyways she needs therapy 😭😭
@@Hibiscuitsy Would therapy even work on someone who doesn't want to change? It's not like it's a magical solution.
@@11th-lemon nono that was more of a joke lol
i totally agree with you, she surely knows what she did and said she won't change her way of loving.
we forgave fuuta because he regretted what he did, he obviously realized his mistake and felt stupid but mahiru got beaten even worse than him but she's ok with it?? that's guilty imo and it's so sad that people don't realize noting will change about her and she'll do it again. let's hope she will realize soon and change her pov-- it seems she won't tho cause she's gonna be voted innocent probably 👍
@@11th-lemon It is extemely condescending to dismiss someone as a lost cause simply because they are perceived as "unwilling to change," especially when it is evident that they have never experienced a healthy relationship and misunderstand what love truly means. Mahiru deserves an opportunity to understand why her approach of love was wrong, so that she can prevent such tragedies from recurring in her life. It is unlikely that this will happen if we continue to blame her for a relationship that caused her as much harm as it did her boyfriend.
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私たちで彼女を救いましょう😢
FREE MY GIRL SHE DID NOTTTTTT DESERVE THIS😞😞
I think he had family issues and blamed it on poor Mahiru
WHAAAT HOW CAN MAHIRU FORGIVE KOTOKO AFTER SHE BEAT HER UP😨
In all honesty I think Kotoko should be voted innocent purely to stop mikoto jackalope literally said you can't stop him with a guilty verdict
she said it herself, mahiru forgives kotoko for following her ideals, because mahiru is also someone who follows her own ideals and doesn't want to believe that doing so is wrong
hi thank you so much for uploading the drama tl!! ❤❤❤
I feel so bad for her 😞 😭
Im just throwing it out there in case, mahiru might be an important aspect in Es' life before becoming part of milgram
I know there's probably a reason why majority voted her guilty. I respect their opinions. But I'm still going to beat them up.
i'm quite new to milgram and i usually just enjoy the songs but thank u so much for this video, i'm starting to enjoy the stories behind this project !!
Therapy. I'm paying for her, no matter how much money I have. She just needs someone that understands her.
Okay, one of the most emotional voice drama of MILGRAM from far
Yesss, thanks for the translation
The way she said she wouldn't change how she loved- the love that lead her boyfriend to suicide is giving guilty even though I love her
I am writing a really long Mahiru analysis which i will continue in replies ITS SO LONG HELP
I think Mahiru has BPD, her intense love, her self-deprecating mindset, extreme attachment and also splitting.
In her first trial it's clear her BPD is more relationship and love oriented, as usually people with BPD (not all people, it is not a one size fits all) cherish love more than anything in the world, and some borderline people want is pure and fairy tale imagined type of love, and that is exacly what got him killed. Even Es stated that "it was one-sided love" and "it was a relationship in your mind." which proves that Mahiru may have BPD. To be diagnosed you need to atleast exhibit 5/9 symptoms, and after watching both her trials, and listening to her trial songs and covers while also analysing those, I have come to realise she exhibits 5/9 symptoms.
Fear of abandonment - in "This is how to be in love with you" you can see her calling her lover all the time, sometimes more happy sometimes seeming rather annoyed or angry. (this somewhat ties into Emotional Instability) Some lyrics in her first trial song that prove she is scared of abandonment:
"If you don't hug me, even our hearts will start drifting apart I pretended to be a good girl, but really, I don't want to say "I'm okay""
she doesn't want to drift away from him, and she would do everything in her power to make him stay. This is common in people with BPD, their fear of abandonment means they will do anything to make the person stay.
"Giving you love to the point of pulling you down It's just because I still get worried, please forgive me"
Another thing people do, she feels like not showing enough love might make him want to leave her, people with BPD are VERY overbearing in some cases, and the overbearing can cause many reactions depending on the person. The person can get either angry, annoyed, embarassed, and in some cases maybe fed up. Some people might be equally as overbearing, it all varies from person to person. However, in the worst case, an overbearing nature can be stressful, upsetting and uncomfortable. Mahiru's lover saw no way out other than suicide.
"We can both feel lonely sometimes, but wonder if you'll get angry soon"
People with BPD tend to feel very, very lonely sometimes. Even if they have a fulfilling relationship, feelings of loneliness, apathy and even worthlessness creep in at times. These feelings make people think things like "when will you get bored/tired of me?" and thoughts like "they like someone else.." or "they're going to leave me and i can't do anything about it.." People with BPD may either internalise these thoughts and explode in their partner's face, or ask them these questions on a daily basis which could be tiring or upsetting.
Emotional instability - this is kind of short since there isnt a lot of it shown but this can be tied into splitting aswell. In Pyschogram and Parasite the lyrics like "you're disgusting" (Pyschogram) and "I hate you! I hate you! I hate you!" (Parasite) followed by obsessive lyrics "Hey, if not me who would you like?" (Pyschogram) and "If you love me, please notice me, please notice me, please notice me, let me dream." (Parasite) indicate it, which in simplest terms i can put it in basically is when someone idolises a person, their lover for example, then their lover might do a simple thing like not respond in a while and they go from loving to hating them, losing their trust in that person and even possibly wanting to break up. This isn't exactly an emotion, but people with BPD tend to be very sympathetic. Near the end of the trial, she sympathises with Kotoko, thinking the reason she got hurt by her was out of Kotoko's own sense of justice and what is good and evil. She doesn't judge her harshly and even forgives her, which Es praises Mahiru for.
in her First Trial song the lyrics "Even when I test you, even the times we do the breakup ritual, Is because I love you" is also a form of splitting. BPD sufferers can do many rash things when splitting, and most of it is followed by shame, guilt, apathy and sadness.
Unstable Relationships - This is pretty clear. Her intense love, undying obsession and constant checking in made her lover end his life. She compares being in love to a new perfect world, that love is equally as important as eating food and drinking water, love is just like breathing air. Life without love is like death to Mahiru. Dating someone with BPD is not easy, but it is not impossible. He unfortunately could not bare the weight of Mahiru's overbearing care, her phone calls at weird times since she could call him at night and in the mornings and her constant love confessions. These relationships CAN work out really well, but we see a lack of communication between Mahiru and her lover, and Mahiru not noticing that she isn't particularly mentally fit for a possible relationship or that her loving can be harmful if not talked about. People with BPD may not notice the weight of their actions, making them seem "fake", which IS NOT THE CASE. Mahiru didn't see how unstable or one sided her relationship was, which frankly wasn't her fault for her lover's suicide.
Shift in identity - Shifts in identity are common in people with BPD. These can be sexuality and gender related, to even your moral values and whether you see yourself as evil or good. Mahiru thinks she deserved the pain Kotoko caused her, and that she deserves to be in Milgram. In her Second trial she asks Es "I was in a normal relationship, how am I guilty?" indicating that she didn't know what she did wrong, she was just in love. She thinks she did a good thing loving him to the very end. Later in the trial, after Es answers her question she goes onto admitting that her love and her overbearing nature might've killed her partner, indicating a slight change in how she views herself. In the beginning of the trial she's quite scared, and upset with the attack from Kotoko but near the end she is more and more firm on how love is important and to die for, and then thinking "she's gone ahead of herself" for expressing how she feels about her love and her crime, which are a series of identity shifts.
even es is worried im gonna cry
Let's be real, she isn't guilty, we saw even in the MV that because of their toxic relationship they both ended up wounded, but they wouldn't left each other anyway, 'cause they loved each other to the point of not noticing the problem they had, as we can see that Mahiru's pov is "happy and clean" while the reality is rotten and consuming them. Her love (and his 'cause they both where damaging each other, and he didn't leave even when the situation was at its worst ) may be the reason why he died, but she just loved someone, it's not fair taking away that love from her I'm sure she will not do the same again.
Nope she is not stopping the thing that ruined someone an only vaguely acknowledging there envolvment
mahiru is innocent bro TRUSTTT
I want to hug her she doesn't deserve it... I'm glad that Es cried it shows it reassured me in a way
This one's a bit tricky. So far it's been clear to see the majority vote (example: after seeing shidou's it's no doubt he'd still be forgiven)
However, looking at the opinions regarding Mahiru... people seem divided
as someone with bpd, my heart goes out to her
After watching the MV, I was very firmly in the Guilty column. But after listening to the VD, I am very conflicted. On the one hand, she seems to at least acknowledge that her boyfriend died because of her, and her capacity for empathy has been amply demonstrated. Yet on the other, she still denies that it was her “love” that is responsible. She just won’t make that leap and reflect on her actions critically. Hopefully the questions she answers will help to shed some light.
mahiru innocent
Like he'll she is the second MV shows neither partner was fully stable
Her story is just so sad :(
Sorry guys I know I may sounds delusional, but no healthy person would say what Mahiru said in this voice drama, that didn’t even sound like a people pleaser talk, IT WAS STRAIGHT UP A PERSON THAT ACTUALLY THINKS THAT EVERYONES RIGHT AND SHE HAS NO RIGHT TO DISAGREE, SOMEONE MADE HER LIKE THAT, well this is really delusional take but what I want to say she shouldn’t be voted guilty, yes morally it’s wrong, but morally everyone we voted innocent should be actually voted guilty, also I do believe she NEVER MEANT IT, yes oh toxic relationship, but believe me or not she never wanted to lead it like that, that’s the way she love, and it isn’t just come from nowhere, I swear there is something different that made her like that, also SHES ALMOST FUCKING DEAD, OH COME ON YALL WANT HER TO KILL HERSELF?? LIKE DONT YALL FEEL SAD FOR HER, SHE NEVER MEANT IT, IT WAS JUST MISSCOMMUNICATION AND ALL, IM NOT FORGIVING ANYONE IF SHE GETS GUILTY VOTE AGAIN, LOOK AT HER, SHES MORE MENTALLY ILL THAN SHES INJURED PHYSICALLY AND SHE NEARLY DIED
Jackalope is insane why take his word he laughed about the 12 year old and told Es before he did the trials "Pitiful"
I do think voting her guilty isn't gonna help her in any way considering she won't be able to reflect on her actions in that state but i think it's a bit unfair to be like "I'm not gonna forgive anyone who votes her guilty" the whole point of this is for people to choose if they forgive character based on there morality and it's obvious while Mahiru feels bad for what happened she doesn't understand what she did wrong which can be scary since it seems like she's planning on getting in another relationship considering "she can't live without love"
@@batrex_ is Milgram a Harem technically since two Female Prisoners idolize Es
10:36 guilty 100% no regrets
majority Innocent rn sorry pal
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"she didn't know what she was doing was wrong!" no she did, she literally says in daisuki "that's inconvenient? i don't care!"
She is afraid to fully understand what went wrong an just goes this pains fine we all work hard and that's fuky
i think that specific eng translation doesn’t really do the line justice. “my feelings are uncontrollable, they’re inconvenient but I don’t care” really misrepresents what she means, because that statement doesn’t imply lack of care in the original. that part in japanese is 気持ち(feelings)はアンコントロール(uncontrollable)/迷惑(a bother)だって上等(high class in certain contexts or something that can be handled swiftly in others) so maybe a more accurate portrayal of it would be “feelings are uncontrollable; because they’re a burden, bring it on” to me it sounds like this sounds an echo of her past statements saying love is a give and take and diving into that, rather than her saying she doesn’t care about how her feelings effect her boyfriend.
she expects to take up room in his life, and she wants him to take up space in her life because that give and take makes love worth it to her (in the context of thinking bothersome emotions are high class and that being a part of a normal romantic experience). I don’t think she has ever meant to ignore her negative effects on others, I think she didn’t just didn’t know that her methods were not compatible with him (in the context of dealing with something swiftly). it felt like she wasn’t giving him the right support-not all people want to be coddled when they’re having a hard time, some need a more grounded approach to issues, and her babying and high expectations for their relationship probably felt demeaning and put more pressure on him.
@@Thequeenofmemes still not a good direction in either aim
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 I didn’t say it was! i was just explaining that she didn’t say she never cared about his issues, as that was an odd localization choice, then explaining what that probably since that line could go in either direction depending on context re: if it was something she thought she could fix (and failed to) or something she looked forward to because of her warped perception of love and affection
small add on, I don’t think she’s being purposely ignorant or ‘afraid to understand’ what she did, she does seem like she genuinely doesn’t understand what she’s done wrong-es can not give her a proper explanation either as they agree that she did seem to be genuinely happy at the start, but then goes… “well you being that happy seemed sus because of the other info I had so I thought you were a stalker” but even that was based on the fact that they didn’t Think she did wrong in that mv, but voted her off on the Chance that something was, which doesn’t really answer her questions as she can’t do anything based on es feeling suspicious that she was too happy. that convo basically went “but what about my actions seemed suspicious?” “you seemed so happy I thought you were delusional” “but this actually happened and here’s how?” She did want to know the whys and hows, but since they could not say anything of note, it sounds like “loving itself is bad” instead of “how you loved was inappropriate.” because es could not articulate that at this point as their information is limited.
Mahiru knows that her love killed someone, she knows she did something wrong, but she can’t pinpoint what-she knows it can not be loving in general, but she doesn’t have the experience or emotional maturity to know if it was her actions or anything else, as the person who is condemning her doesn’t have a proper answer, so it es makes it sound like loving another person in general is unforgivable just off of the magazine slideshow of mahiru and her bfs dates(as this takes place before the new mv). She did seem really desperate to get a response though and I can’t tell if that’s something concerning regards to her personality or anxiety at being put in a position where she was beaten, and I wonder if es had a more concrete reply for her, if she would be more combative or if she would take it to heart and correct her behavior? But they didn’t, so I do wonder if for the third trial they might be able to communicate more, as es does seem willing to explain themselves, their actions, and why they chose those actions and mahiru does seem willing to learn, if not how to correct herself, then to learn what she did for things to turn out badly like they had.
YESSSSSSS I WAS WAITING THE WHOLE DAY
I LOVE MAHIRU
I wonder is it possible for her to bounce back if we vote her guilty this time?
She might be sad, depressed, since her ideal love wasn't accepted. But she's a strong girl, mentally, I think. I really wonder if she will stay unmotivated to live for a very long time despite that, even if her core beliefs got rejected.
On second thought, her environment(people) rn...welp, sound hard to pull this off lmao.
I genuinley started crying the moment Es did
“i’ve just normally loved someone, i dont think i’ve done anything wrong.”
“Because i also think that my love isn’t wrong. I don’t want to be shamed for that.”
“No matter what you say, my love won’t change.”
these are all lines from girlboss Mahiru herself, GUILTY here we come 😭 😭 😭
I dont want her to get executed (light novel vibes) but idk if she would learn from a not guilty vote so while im more tempted to vote innocent im still kinda on the fence
I’m just like her fr😭
Mahiru innocent free my girl
For some reason I think mahiru might not survive this season even if she innocent based from the situation of the prisoners and her current medical situation.
shidou. Kotoko. and her own have to be voted a certain way
crying over this, agaon SHES SO SWEET BUT I FEEL SO FUCKIGN BAD FNMMBDSER:(((
I don’t necessarily think that she should be voted guilty on this round. As I’m conflicted as to her wanting to continue to love the exact same way, I do think trial one guilty vote made her realize that her love killed him, even intentionally. But as she phrases it, she shouldn’t be not allowed to love anymore, because it is not a life to live without anyone to love in fear of hurting. By voting her innocent, I hope she will understand that loving someone isn’t the problem here, but she should now be aware that her love can be dangerous, and learn how to love and recognize when she is being toxic. Mahiru has the right to truly love someone, but she shouldn’t be egoistic about it ( only loving in the way that makes her feels good, even if this means being too selfless, but consider how her lover need to feel good too )
I LOVE YOU MAHIRU 😭😭😭
if i was Es id quit on the spot
As if they have anywhere to go if they do quit 😭
Thanks for the hard work
teared up a bit fr
I still genuinely have no idea why people voted her guilty in the First Trial, and I’m so, so glad I’m here in time to vote INNOCENT for her now- Big Sis Mahiru is my favorite, and I firmly believe that she should be forgiven. She seems genuinely remorseful and aware of where she went wrong.
She is worshipping a Toxicity saying it's great love which is not good
When mahiru says she doesn't believe she is wrong for loving I'm not sure whether she means the feeling or the way she shows her affection. Since we understood from the pv she didn't see what she did as harmful, I sincerely have no idea what vote to make - i don't want to enforce / encourage the behavior that pushed her to act the way she did with her boyfriend, but it isn't like i think she is undeserving of feeling for others either. Though her reaction hit close to home, i too used to have some issues with a partner that made me wonder whether I was unfit to love at all because the way I did it hurt him, and us (put a lot of pressure, didn't communicate clearly...) and it felt unfair I couldn't do it the way I thought others did, so her reaction is very realistic, but well idk what to do for her
From the mv I was really thinking she should not be forgiven because she didn't seem to have been aware of how she hurt her boyfriend but because of this vd I think imma vote her innocent
I don't get ITTT. I voted her "forgivable" in the 1st trial, so it was surprising people actually voted Mahiru guilty. Girl, let us hug you. 😭😭😭
Mahiru I love you girl we gon get you outta there!!! ( ˃̶͈̀ロ˂̶͈́)੭ꠥ⁾⁾
oh my god im crying this person is literally the sweetest person in milgram but she seriously needs therapy 😭
She is not the sweetest being weak like this is not sweetness its vulnerability in a person who will mot quite their course of destruction
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 that's why i think she needs to consult to therapist to adjust her mental state so it wont go any worse than it already is 😭
@@RatnaPuspaMerdika everyone is that Es is boiling in every audio
So yeah we're voting Kotoko guilty
Yep and let futa slap kotoko
who's "we"
@@obbligatopermanentdamage me.
Guys, i think we should learn something important here
These characters won't change if u vote them guilty, did amane teach you nothing?
Then they should stay in prison
@@zero1509 nah they should go to therapy 💀💀
@@Hittingonall6s Are you saying it's okay to abuse and kill as long as mental illness is proven?
@@zero1509 no??? I said that I want them to get therapy ⁉️, honestly were did u pull all that from
@@Hittingonall6s She can have therapy in jail too. Also she's fully aware of her actions and she stated that she won't stop doing it, even knowing the consequences. She's better behind bars.
MAHIRU IS SO KIND IM CRYING
I think I cried a little ngl