The ignorance in this thread is astonishing....very sad. Relevant questions: How does a rancher prove wolf depredation? How is a rancher compensated for wolf depredation? What percentage of cattle are killed by wolves?...in Colorado as well as in other states with longer history with wolf populations? How many calves don't live to 1 year of age in Colorado...death rates from non wolf causes (disease, elements, inadequate mothering, coyote, domesticated dogs, cougar, bear, etc). Talk to the CPW for these answers. If they don't know the answers, then they are not doing their jobs. I strongly suspect they do have these answers and are doing their jobs. If you really want to educate yourselves on wolves and wolf behavior, dismiss the emotions and folklore and read: Wolves: Behavior, Ecology and conservation. Yellowstone wolves. American Wolf. Of Wolves and Men. Never Cry Wolf. An amazing species...very human like. Educate yourselves rather than promote your ignorance with these silly comments.
seems like CPW should be paying the ranchers for each depredation. i mean if i went and killed a ranchers livestock im pretty sure they would expect me to pay for it, why does CPW get a pass? their actions are directly the cause of the loss
Wait! I thought ranchers were reimbursed for any lost cattle? Before things get too crazy here, can we discuss ranchers rights and reimbursement? Also, the rights of another species to live and florish? Arguing never solves anything.
CPW has a donation page where the public can contribute to the wolf reintroduction effort. Range riders can teach that male and his offspring to fear ranches.
@@coloradogirllovesmountains2909Yes and plenty of us tax payers would like our wild lands to remain as such.. Tell me why do you think you've got the right to play god and decide what species live and which die? How confident are you in your knowledge of the ecosystem that you predict all the repercussions from removing species? The level of arrogance amazes me.
According to the “Colorado Sun” website, ranchers Don Gittleson has applied for, and received, $16,000 for ten (10) killed cows, calves, lambs and working dogs. Payment on other animals is pending. The article mentions Mr. Gittleson has tried donkeys, fladry, overnight herdsmen. Only when those efforts failed did Mr. Gittleson apply to CPW for help, the article said. Obviously, this is an extremely difficult situation, fraught with emotions. In the last 150 years, public sympathy and support for protected, endangered wildlife has become part of the American culture. That said, no rational person would argue for destruction of the livestock growers industry by uncontrolled depredation. CPW must properly do its’ job.
Wait. So let me get this straight, do Colorado ranchers just free range their cattle and not use fences and protection? It's almost like ranchers can't protect their cattle
Colorado is a free range state and are you that dumb to believe that a fence with 2ft gaps between them (typical barb wire fence) will keep a wolf out!?
Then you should understand land stewardship and that the land your cattle graze only continues to exist because thousands of men before you didn't destroy the ecosystem you're using today. Losing cattle to natural predators should be part of the business with ranching, same as losing cattle to a virus. If the price of the product must go up to accommodate a living wage for our ranchers then so be it. We can't continue to steal life from our children to pay for our greed today.
“Hey ranchers, sorry our wolf killed your livestock. We can’t do anything about it because it is breeding with another wolf, that will have a litter of wolves that will multiply this effect” CPW
Quite frankly, ranchers are reimbursed for each killing. If it's not enough, that should be their complaint... If only the state reimbursed me for every chick I lost to foxes and coyotes...
Very short sighted comment to say they are getting reimbursement. Every cow killed will cause meat and dairy to cost more. Like we need higher food cost
@@brandocommando6593 Oh, please, this is about ranchers, not consumers... And to suggest 6 or even 600 cattle are going to cause a noticeable change in the price of hamburger can only be said honestly as sarcasm. (Over 35 million cattle are slaughtered every year in the U..S.)
@@brandocommando6593ROFL do you actually believe this or are you just repeating something you read for fun? You do realize we can't possibly release enough wolves in our lifetime to dent the number of cattle we raise....
@@brandocommando6593 My guy... The calving crop for 2022 was 780,000 in Colorado alone. Even if 25 calves were killed this year, that would only be .0024% of all calves born in Colorado. That does NOT include full grown cattle either. Spare me with this whole "the price of meat will go up" argument. WA, OR, CA, ID, MT, WY, MN, and WI all have wolves, and we haven't seen those states go bust, quite the opposite actually. So please, don't be so short sighted, it's why you guys always lose these debates.
There are some special breeds of dogs that will live with and protect the herd...at least with sheep and goats, maybe with cattle as well? Might help as deterrent?
That's a ton of dogs needed if they have more than 100 cattle. Many ranchers have cattle in the thousands. Its just not realistic on such a grand scale. Plus, wolves dont fight fair. Average pack has 6 to 8 wolves more or less. How many expensive well bred dogs are gna be needed for wolf prevention?
Conway rancher grand all concerned speaking out, the guy drives his snowcat over road fencing his cattle now roaming county road 3 between mm 16 & 14. Dude needs to go, strickly wild mouth rancher wolves but yet his cattle fencing damaged himself doesn't care.
@dhand34 Out here, there are way to check this a**, not me to do however there are folks that have taken offense conway boy speaking out thinking he is above law. Boy dug himself hole now.
@dhand34 when could I come out by you for advice on rescue two wolves. Unfortunately my Akita possibly part wolf will be put down, degenerative spinal cord issues. Young pup, I'll miss him. You know I'm 11 acres grand county reintroduced wolves area. Have enclosure but will need to make secure.
@dhand34 never easy but sometimes have to do. I have 4 urns of ashes here, first was when I was 14 years old holding vet office put down. I'll now have 5 urns.
@@danhipps8747: Colorado voters passed the referendum. Costs associated with the implementation is estimated and accounted for by the state government ($455,000 for this year). Taxation.
Cows did $20k worth of damage on a cabin build and I got nada. Sorry ranchers but are cry babies. We voted in wolves and now we need to put fence out laws on a ballet or make ranchers pay for land owners fencing.
Please work to reintroduce grizzly bears to Colorado. The weiminuche wilderness area near Pagosa springs and Durango is ideal country for their reintroduction. A vibrant grizzly bear population will keep the wolves in check
All predators belong on their native lands. If we want to restore balance, they all need to be reintroduced. I just read this week about hunters that died from consuming deer meat infected with chronic wasting disease . Wolves would have weeded those sick animals out. Emotions are running high, but education is key. Implement deterrents that have been promoted.
@@vees_beesthis is where you lose the non lunatics. You’re lying. And not just that you’re lying about things beyond your comprehension. You’re as much of a scientist or an outdoorsman as I am an interior decorator. The cause of death of those two men is STILL yet to be determined. To speak of it as fact is an act of wild stupidity. Have some respect for yourself.
Just count the carcasses along the highways. The ungulate population is very large. made so in order to sell out of state hunting licenses. Many ungulate,deer elk kills by large trucks go unreported they don’t stop,little or no damage,so no report no count. Some animals leave the highway to die unseen and uncounted
@@kevine9986 They're the same species. What you're saying is EXACTLY the same as saying lions from South Africa and lions from Kenya are different species.
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The ignorance in this thread is astonishing....very sad. Relevant questions: How does a rancher prove wolf depredation? How is a rancher compensated for wolf depredation? What percentage of cattle are killed by wolves?...in Colorado as well as in other states with longer history with wolf populations? How many calves don't live to 1 year of age in Colorado...death rates from non wolf causes (disease, elements, inadequate mothering, coyote, domesticated dogs, cougar, bear, etc). Talk to the CPW for these answers. If they don't know the answers, then they are not doing their jobs. I strongly suspect they do have these answers and are doing their jobs. If you really want to educate yourselves on wolves and wolf behavior, dismiss the emotions and folklore and read: Wolves: Behavior, Ecology and conservation. Yellowstone wolves. American Wolf. Of Wolves and Men. Never Cry Wolf. An amazing species...very human like. Educate yourselves rather than promote your ignorance with these silly comments.
seems like CPW should be paying the ranchers for each depredation. i mean if i went and killed a ranchers livestock im pretty sure they would expect me to pay for it, why does CPW get a pass? their actions are directly the cause of the loss
Who said they got a pass?
CPW is not the direct cause. Those who voted in favor of wolf reintroduction are the Direct Cause.
It should be on the taxpayers back, not Cpw. Taxpayers asked for it.
@@danhipps8747 not all of them. but i see your point
@@danhipps8747 Not sure 100% voted for it.... Genereal taxpayer fund via CPW will pick it up, like most mishaps.
Wait! I thought ranchers were reimbursed for any lost cattle? Before things get too crazy here, can we discuss ranchers rights and reimbursement? Also, the rights of another species to live and florish? Arguing never solves anything.
You do understand the government doesn’t have any money to pay ranchers. They pay with taxpayers money. Against many of their will.
They are most likely making us hunters pay for it, and it shows up on the cost of our increasing tags every year.
CPW has a donation page where the public can contribute to the wolf reintroduction effort.
Range riders can teach that male and his offspring to fear ranches.
@@coloradogirllovesmountains2909Yes and plenty of us tax payers would like our wild lands to remain as such.. Tell me why do you think you've got the right to play god and decide what species live and which die? How confident are you in your knowledge of the ecosystem that you predict all the repercussions from removing species? The level of arrogance amazes me.
Yeah ranchers also get loads of tax payer money, just to operate. It’s a managed economy aka socialism
They can’t even have a handful out for a year without huge conflicts.
According to the “Colorado Sun” website, ranchers Don Gittleson has applied for, and received, $16,000 for ten (10) killed cows, calves, lambs and working dogs. Payment on other animals is pending. The article mentions Mr. Gittleson has tried donkeys, fladry, overnight herdsmen. Only when those efforts failed did Mr. Gittleson apply to CPW for help, the article said.
Obviously, this is an extremely difficult situation, fraught with emotions. In the last 150 years, public sympathy and support for protected, endangered wildlife has become part of the American culture. That said, no rational person would argue for destruction of the livestock growers industry by uncontrolled depredation. CPW must properly do its’ job.
Wait. So let me get this straight, do Colorado ranchers just free range their cattle and not use fences and protection? It's almost like ranchers can't protect their cattle
Colorado is a free range state and are you that dumb to believe that a fence with 2ft gaps between them (typical barb wire fence) will keep a wolf out!?
Me. I’m one of the ranchers
Then you should understand land stewardship and that the land your cattle graze only continues to exist because thousands of men before you didn't destroy the ecosystem you're using today. Losing cattle to natural predators should be part of the business with ranching, same as losing cattle to a virus. If the price of the product must go up to accommodate a living wage for our ranchers then so be it. We can't continue to steal life from our children to pay for our greed today.
“Hey ranchers, sorry our wolf killed your livestock. We can’t do anything about it because it is breeding with another wolf, that will have a litter of wolves that will multiply this effect” CPW
Shouldn’t have left this decision up to voters.
Quite frankly, ranchers are reimbursed for each killing. If it's not enough, that should be their complaint... If only the state reimbursed me for every chick I lost to foxes and coyotes...
Very short sighted comment to say they are getting reimbursement. Every cow killed will cause meat and dairy to cost more. Like we need higher food cost
@@brandocommando6593 Oh, please, this is about ranchers, not consumers... And to suggest 6 or even 600 cattle are going to cause a noticeable change in the price of hamburger can only be said honestly as sarcasm. (Over 35 million cattle are slaughtered every year in the U..S.)
@@brandocommando6593ROFL do you actually believe this or are you just repeating something you read for fun? You do realize we can't possibly release enough wolves in our lifetime to dent the number of cattle we raise....
@@brandocommando6593 My guy... The calving crop for 2022 was 780,000 in Colorado alone. Even if 25 calves were killed this year, that would only be .0024% of all calves born in Colorado. That does NOT include full grown cattle either. Spare me with this whole "the price of meat will go up" argument. WA, OR, CA, ID, MT, WY, MN, and WI all have wolves, and we haven't seen those states go bust, quite the opposite actually. So please, don't be so short sighted, it's why you guys always lose these debates.
Bad law
i love cattle and i love wolves but i am smart enough to know one is a predator
There are a lot of predator's in Colorado. Sorry but most people don't think animals should be killed because they are predators.
@@RockyMountainsUSA Exactly. Predators killing other animals is part of nature.
There are some special breeds of dogs that will live with and protect the herd...at least with sheep and goats, maybe with cattle as well? Might help as deterrent?
That's a ton of dogs needed if they have more than 100 cattle. Many ranchers have cattle in the thousands. Its just not realistic on such a grand scale. Plus, wolves dont fight fair. Average pack has 6 to 8 wolves more or less. How many expensive well bred dogs are gna be needed for wolf prevention?
Try paying to feed five large LGD which is what it would take against a pack of wolves.
Conway rancher grand all concerned speaking out, the guy drives his snowcat over road fencing his cattle now roaming county road 3 between mm 16 & 14. Dude needs to go, strickly wild mouth rancher wolves but yet his cattle fencing damaged himself doesn't care.
Yeah we are sick of freeloading ranchers.
@dhand34 Out here, there are way to check this a**, not me to do however there are folks that have taken offense conway boy speaking out thinking he is above law. Boy dug himself hole now.
@dhand34 when could I come out by you for advice on rescue two wolves. Unfortunately my Akita possibly part wolf will be put down, degenerative spinal cord issues. Young pup, I'll miss him.
You know I'm 11 acres grand county reintroduced wolves area. Have enclosure but will need to make secure.
@@stevenutepass7671 I had to put down my old pit bull last summer. She was almost 16
@dhand34 never easy but sometimes have to do. I have 4 urns of ashes here, first was when I was 14 years old holding vet office put down. I'll now have 5 urns.
maybe some donkeys they hate coyotes dogs wolves
Good! I was waiting for Colorado to start paying range riders. That could be a game changer for ranchers.
They're gonna "shoo away" the wolves...according to young cub reporter Spencer. Mmm hmm. SMFH.
@@davidplatt8915 It sounds to me like you don’t know much about how range riding works.
At your expense taxpayers. I think only the dopes that voted for this should have their tax dollars wasted this way.
Who should pay for that??
@@danhipps8747: Colorado voters passed the referendum. Costs associated with the implementation is estimated and accounted for by the state government ($455,000 for this year). Taxation.
We need to release the wolves in Denver and Boulder so we give the voters what they want.
Please.. these people that vote for this crap should be delt the cards too!
I wouldn't mind it. Because I'm not a scared p#$$^ like some people.
Cows did $20k worth of damage on a cabin build and I got nada. Sorry ranchers but are cry babies. We voted in wolves and now we need to put fence out laws on a ballet or make ranchers pay for land owners fencing.
Please work to reintroduce grizzly bears to Colorado. The weiminuche wilderness area near Pagosa springs and Durango is ideal country for their reintroduction. A vibrant grizzly bear population will keep the wolves in check
All predators belong on their native lands. If we want to restore balance, they all need to be reintroduced. I just read this week about hunters that died from consuming deer meat infected with chronic wasting disease . Wolves would have weeded those sick animals out. Emotions are running high, but education is key. Implement deterrents that have been promoted.
Let’s release them into Boulder county
Assuming the bears dont realize they can easily just get beef as well. And they will.
@@vees_beesthis is where you lose the non lunatics. You’re lying. And not just that you’re lying about things beyond your comprehension. You’re as much of a scientist or an outdoorsman as I am an interior decorator. The cause of death of those two men is STILL yet to be determined. To speak of it as fact is an act of wild stupidity. Have some respect for yourself.
Just count the carcasses along the highways. The ungulate population is very large. made so in order to sell out of state hunting licenses. Many ungulate,deer elk kills by large trucks go unreported they don’t stop,little or no damage,so no report no count. Some animals leave the highway to die unseen and uncounted
SSS
You support for Cody Roberts, don't you?
If you voted for the reintroduction of wolves and live on the front range, do not recreate in Jackson county we’re watching
A threat?
The wolves will be in Jackson County no matter what you want.
"If you care about the ecosystem, don't recreate in Jackson county". Same thing, really.
hahahahahah
No one cares. I'll go to Jackson Country any time I please.
@@Reed411 (edited)
The ranchers do get paid for their livestock lost to wolves.
Get guard dogs.
Wolf's are killers there's a reason they removed them
Wolves are vital to the ecosystem, there's a reason they reintroduced them.
@@Redstoneprime316 the Wolf's they introduced are from Canada much larger than native Wolf's
@@kevine9986 This is factually false and a testament to the ignorance of the those who oppose this decision.
@@kevine9986 They're the same species. What you're saying is EXACTLY the same as saying lions from South Africa and lions from Kenya are different species.
So are tea cup dogs and great danes..same species