My main problem is that if someone was a main character, got lots of development, became one of the most popular characters and then just.. doesn’t get screen time for a single episode they just get eliminated
@@Micah_YTbut there is and difference with those characters, they finished their arcs before getting eliminated and remote just got replaced, BB still has alot going on just to be eliminated.
they should simply introduce the BFDIA voting system. It’s a win-win. You can vote for all the characters, so voters don’t have to choose between less popular characters and fan favorites.
i think the main reason why this isn't implemented is because it's seen like a gimmick. You could essentially just make the poll into select instead of multiple choice, but it's still odd. I do agree that BFDIA voting is pretty much the best option, but it would feel weird to say.
That's how these shows work, am I wrong? The point is to vote for the character you want to stay in, and the show revolves around that. The entire reason BFDI prospered was the voting gimmick.
The reason why is bc people think “oh I’ll vote my favourite character bc there’s no way coiny is gonna get out he’s a fan favourite!” but then everybody thinks like that and the actually good characters get eliminated (Edit) Guys I just used coiny as an example I don’t specifically like him
this is the same reason needle got out, even though needle actually did something in the episode prior to getting eliminated. it wasn’t that people didn’t like her rivalry with pen; people just assumed she was going to be safe and decided to vote for less popular characters like tv (everyone thought he was going to get out at the time)
Honestly they need to bring back vote to eliminate what's the point of hating a character anymore if their constantly gonna be safe because of vote to save
I agree, needle’s eliminations was unfair she was actually doing the challenge, it’s should’ve be tv, all tv did is get glued to some other contestants, tv practically did nothing..
i mean if you think about it remote was already kinda going semi-against death pact as seem in bfb 12/(the episode rf says "SHES THE ONE THAT SENT US A BOMB!" so i honestly think that the arc was supposed to go to remote but then maked it fanny's arc bc they werent expecting her to get out SORRY FOR THE RANT, i love remote too much
I honestly think the arc was either going to be remote, fanny, or lightning. If fanny was out first of the three and lightning was out second, the same thing would happen in TPOT 7 with remote If fanny was out first of the three and remote was out second, I think the same thing would happen but a different TPOT 7 challenge And continuing that with every possible elimination order out of those three
@@zgui2763It can't be like that at all, we can say that the bomb was a method of defense because "A better name than that" was sabotaging Remote, which made her activate her method of defense, but I feel that she was not against the pact at all sincerely
That is a good point but vote to eliminate is also bad as if a character does one thing wrong they will get bombarded with hate such as spongy as he went fron getting not to many votes to more than double the votes than his entire team
Yeah but they did nothing good either, bell is a good player but she does nothing plot relevant besides overthrowing robot flower, Bomby had potential for a pillow rivalry but was just unlucky out of the four losers and nickel can be perceived as annoying and is very useless imo
@cloudyfromtpotreal Nickel was the funniest on his team he did NOT deserve to get out. Bomby got out cuz ppl just think "OMG PILLOW KILLED SOMEONE HAHA IM DYING OF LAUGHTER SO FUNNY" and also the fact that Price tag started an arc with book. Pillow should definitely have gone instead. As for bell, rf should have gone instead of her, seriously her arc with basketball was lame af.
@@sarkarmamatin6694 having an arc that's "lame" (most people don't agree with you) is better than having no arc at all. And your criticism about pillow is in direct contrast to the lack of information you are even able to say about Bomby because he is so bland. I agree about nickel (though I think pillow is funnier.) Should Nickel have gone? No. But with the options remaining, he had to go before the team swap unfortunately.
Honestly i kind of agree because sometimes it works like this Lets say a character is absolutely beloved, however the big majority of people have them as their second or third favourite of the team, but because this character wasnt first and you can only vote for one obviously, the character is not voted by the big majority, not because people dont like them, its because there was a character they liked more, so a character that people dont want out got out because there was another character that was better, but remember: worse is not equals nad, and i know what im saying is true because that has happened more than once
I somewhat agree. Like how Yellow Face did the second-most on his team, but still got bottom 2. But then we have Coiny and Puffball, who are really popular, get out based on the episode. So it's like 50% Natural Popularity & 50% Screentime
ill be the one to say it... grassy is way too overrated. he doesn't even do that much anymore, and the only thing semi-interesting is his friendship with snowball, which doesn't even make that much sense. yet he'll probably make it to top 10 (or possibly top 5) because he's "cute"... right...
egggggggggggggggggggggy also how is there more donut fans then coiny fans?!??!?! I know lots of people like pin so I can just vote someone else knowing she's prob safe she's my fav but i feel like im gonna change my fav character soon maybe pie
@@Peashooter3333they only use that excuse when it’s a character they dislike. tb, pin and book also have bfdia yet they always get a ton of save votes in both seasons
honestly i’m kinda glad ii switched to contestant vote. I thought it was weird at first but now looking at vote to save and any voting style in general more i can see why they moved to contestant vote
vote to eliminate isn't much better, idk why nobody brought this up yet but what happened with Leafy in BFB 2 looks a lot like it was supposed to be setting up an arc, when Leafy got eliminated that arc ended pretty much immediately, also I mention this a lot but when Match got eliminated she had already apologized for her actions _the episode before_ and the viewers decided to vote her out anyways because "sHe wAS mEaN", perhaps the viewers shouldn't have so much control over who gets eliminated?
Seriously, vote to save is awful, the actually GOOD characters get eliminated (like Remote and Coiny), while the most ANNOYING characters (like Yellow face and Pillow) stay in because people are for some reason OBSESSED with them. They seriously need to bring back vote to eliminate.
Only issue is if one of the contestants aren't involved in some form of drama, they'll most likely just get voted out even if they help their team win. Just look at what happened to Dora in BFB
I actually vote to save on a character i like who i think might be in danger. but it doesn't even matter when contestants like bomby and gaty get lots of votes to getting eliminated a few episodes after, tpot eliminations are so unpredictable and weve lost characters that can actually get development to keep one dimensional characters like grassy.
not even in tpot this happens, in bfb dora got eliminated even tho she carried [insert team name] in most of their episodes like bfb 2, 11 and 6 and since she wasn't in the abandoning arc and because the writers wanted to save book, she was eliminated.
a character doing well at challenges means literally nothing about the character. Dora was a such a nothingburger at the time she got eliminated first off her team twice. If all Needle did was win challenges would she have half the fan base she does?
"saw was one of the most useful team players, always willing to take on challenges" she didnt do anything in tpot unless you count her teammates using her as a tool in every episode she competes i don't find bell interesting, the thing her string is attached to is scarcely mentioned and the show doesn't seem to want to answer it, her getting out over rf was def good for rf's storyline
It shouldnt be who plays the best, because thats subjective. VTS allows mean characters to stay. Look at the bfdi final 6 before flower joined. It was all made of nice characters who never did anything bad (except leafy) Compare this to bfb pre split, where by the final 6 (before profily) we had a good split of nice and mean. VTS isnt bad, its just how some characters get out after being good
kinda obvious but ima say it The reason why most (including me) prefer VTE is that it's much harder to have a character get carried, for lack of a better word. It's much easier to get a buncha pillow fans to vote for pillow so theyre safe than to get a buncha pillow fans to vote nickel, or something. Its harder to screw with the results and contributes to a better playing experience. I feel that, for example, pencil might not have been eliminated in VTS in BFB 2 since she was a well-liked character in bfdi and bfdia. Its just annoying. Pillow comes up often in convos about BFDI voting, as her performance in TPOT 9 was really bad, and still being here instead of getting eliminated showed VTE's shortcomings, as instead of being eliminated for doing the worst, its for doing the least. The difference is that the latter is simply much worse from a voting standpoint.
Contestant vote is just the best It lets the characters actually decide their fate in the game Let's easily creating arcs and conflicts Makes it so smart characters like Golf Ball actually have an advantage somewhere And also lets the authors controll their own show, and write it the way they see it
I honestly think this is a double edged sword. Yeah it can possibly make the arcs better, but it can take away the charm of object shows. Without viewer votings, Object shows would just be another competition show with objects as the main characters. Heck they probably wouldn’t even be as popular as they are now without them. Not saying contestant votes should’ve never be a thing, but only having them would remove the magic of object shows IMO.
@@kirbyfan2088 Well even though i do see your point Seeing how much better Inanimate Insanity became when they switched the voting format, and the amazingness of Total Drama I think the plot is just a lot more interesting when contestants can ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING other then challenges, and characters like Pillow or Grassy don't stay for too long The positives of contestant vote are just too high compared to it's negatives(which barely exist) Contestant vote is just a win
@ yeah I can see that, as I do think contestant votes can be really great in competition shows. (Even if they can still go wrong when writing is still a concern). Voting is just an extremely hard thing to get right. Granted my main point was uniqueness, but that can go a long way for a series.
I do sorta agree SOMETIMES, but you all seem to just be upset over your untouchable favourites getting out. I personally enjoy unpredictability in a season, it makes it far more engaging. You’re only saying that it’s being ruined just because you’re mad that characters you like are out/at risk, something us fans of underrated characters are more so glad about, as it gives our favourite a chance. It also sounds like you’re a Pillow hater, and thus want VTE to get out characters you view as “bad”, which yet again, is opinionated and the show it’s being objectively ruined by it. (Not a Pillow fan btw) Unfortunately not many will agree with me, since well, the characters are popular, so you’ll be on the “BOOO! THIS SUCKS! HOW DARE YOU LET A SEASON NOT BE PREDICTABLE !” side. Also side note, every example you used was from when TPOT didn’t have poll voting, most examples you use are a result of voting wars, an issue that was solved.
That still makes it suck tho, cuz now forever characters were robbed thanks to the voting wars, maybe it’s fixed now, but certain characters will never get their time to shine thanks to that method, Soo I can kinda see the hatred for the VTS system still
I honestly disagree. Vote to save has caused some pretty bad eliminations in TPOT but I think that was a result of vote botting which isn't as much as a problem anymore due to the voting being in a google poll now, but anyways my point is that characters CAN get a bigger voterbase by doing substantial things in episodes. Just for an example, Fanny was in the bottom two twice and now due to her development she's one of the most voted characters. Same with Robot Flower, she's not a very popular character but she got a lot of votes in TPOT 13 due to her big role in that episode. I agree with a lot of things in this video, yeah VTS is partially a popularity contest, but I don't think that's all it is.
Perhaps the reason characters that people like are doing good with vote to save, is because vote to save is about voting the characters you want to stay in the competion, you know, the characters you like?
For me, the most unfair eliminations were nickel and needle in episodes 10 and 13 because they did absolutely nothing wrong in the challenges and pillow and bottle should've gotten out before them.
Mistakes: remote got eliminated in tpot 5 so how could she do anything in tpot 8? And saw got eliminated in tpot 4 not tpot 5 Sorry if I sound like a nerd lol
Just a reminder that leafy got the first boot from her team back when VTE was being used But what happened in Post-split? SHE LITERALLY GOT ONTO THE FINAL 5 (keep in mind that post-split uses VTS instead of VTE) I do kinda understand the difference between both voting systems. (I can conclude that VTE is way better by a mile)
I'm still mad at naily's elimination cake lost the challenge for team just not but my favorite character naily is eliminated it just makes no sense and don't get me started on nickel's elimination
It was technically trees popularity that got gaty out which was unfair , Now I’m sorry if you guys are a tree fan but tree is boring .very to the point where they will get elminated saw,coiny,needle,nickel,gaty,lightnings elimination was unfair (imo) lightning didn’t deserve that rlly and the fact blackhole was just being mean to lightning was getting me angry now if you guys are blackhole fans don’t come for me but he acts like a total pick me in the show (imo) Death Pact Can’t Survive a Single Elimination Without Preventing Death . LIKE DO THE CHALLENGE ITS NOT HARD THIS IS WHY YOUR ALWAYS UP FOR ELIMINATION? Blackhole and Tree Are The Reason Why Remote,Lightning,Pie are Eliminated “We have to Prevent Death” THERES A RECOVERY CENTER? 💀 If Lightning Or Gaty Don’t Rejoin I’m Gonna Spam In The Comments Saying ELIMINATE BLACKHOLE And It’s Also The Vote To Save Instead Why Not Vote To Eliminate?? Or Make It Contestant Vote ? Let’s Hope This Changes , )Rip All Eliminated Contestants in Death Pact) and Nickel (other eliminated contestants too)
Eraser, puffball, lightning should have stayed they were literally some of the best characters in TPOT plot wise, ppl need to stop saving characters like TV and pillow, etc and think who’d be the best winner
Any voting system that keeps yellow face in the game is a GOOD SYSTEM! Also no offense, but Saw was the absolute worst member on team8’s. She 100% deserved to get the first boot.
I completely disagree in this regard. I think that BFDI was completely based and run on the system of voting in the first place, and although it was vote to eliminate at first, it just feels more right to save your favorite characters instead of bashing the ones you hate through votes. Although yes, some great characters have been eliminated through this system, that’s democracy for you, and if you’re disinterested, then watch II, which had the same problem while using vote to eliminate. Also many of the examples you used were before voting was moved to Google Forms instead of the comment section, to which yes, I 100% agree that voting wars were the worst aspect of TPOT, in that it was random chance who would be eliminated and not based on fan support at all. Also every single example you gave, and I mean literally every, you said an episode that said character was not eliminated in which feels insulting when you’re trying to stress this issue (Remote was eliminated in 5, not 8, Saw in 4, not 3, Bell in 12, not 6). And to top it off, Saw 100% deserved to get eliminated, I never liked her. People use an example for literally any character.
Why is this so true though, I think Naily would’ve been 3rd maybe even 2nd safe if voters could back then vote one from each team, but the team Just Not was up with are DPA which was like the MOST popular team at the time so Just Not kinda got kicked to the curb and Naily got caught in the crossfire sadly :
0:34 I have to disagree with you on this point, Saw was ONE OF THE MOST USELESS team members in Team8s, here's why: TPOT 1: She did absolutely nothing than just being a tool to scale for Donut. TPOT 2: She did absolutely nothing,again, just being a tool for needle in the Bell's moment, that's not even being useful at all. TPOT 3: Absolutely nothing... as always, just being a tool for the seats.... Seriously?Do you call Saw an "useful team member"?
not to mention when she got eliminated the writers had to make pin and needle pretend they actually interacted with her and that she was important to them
Yeah you say this until we get an infinity worse elimination order with Vote to Eliminate where all the good and interesting characters either get setup or die first, and not even ones where it would be for the better like Coiny’s was 🥱 Don’t even try to use the Contestant Vote excuse because not only would that not work in BFDI, it kinda defeats the point of the show
A good example was when nickel got eliminated, like pillow was literally the reason they lost, and wasn’t even in the bottom two.😕
yea exacty
My main problem is that if someone was a main character, got lots of development, became one of the most popular characters and then just.. doesn’t get screen time for a single episode they just get eliminated
Basketball hint hint. But even then just for other characters. Like remote coiny puffball bubble
@@Micah_YTbut there is and difference with those characters, they finished their arcs before getting eliminated and remote just got replaced, BB still has alot going on just to be eliminated.
@@daniii_BHpuffball still had alot going on.
Bomby be like:
@@edu_tati_allwhat the hell did bomby ever do other than tpot 9
FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY INE THAT THOUGHT VOTE TO SAVE WAS SHIT AND HATED PILLOW! THANK YOU!
they should simply introduce the BFDIA voting system. It’s a win-win. You can vote for all the characters, so voters don’t have to choose between less popular characters and fan favorites.
i think the main reason why this isn't implemented is because it's seen like a gimmick. You could essentially just make the poll into select instead of multiple choice, but it's still odd. I do agree that BFDIA voting is pretty much the best option, but it would feel weird to say.
The only thing that rly works is contestant vote but even then it has to be written well
That's how these shows work, am I wrong? The point is to vote for the character you want to stay in, and the show revolves around that. The entire reason BFDI prospered was the voting gimmick.
the problem is how it's used, or abused.
The reason why is bc people think “oh I’ll vote my favourite character bc there’s no way coiny is gonna get out he’s a fan favourite!” but then everybody thinks like that and the actually good characters get eliminated
(Edit) Guys I just used coiny as an example I don’t specifically like him
this is the same reason needle got out, even though needle actually did something in the episode prior to getting eliminated. it wasn’t that people didn’t like her rivalry with pen; people just assumed she was going to be safe and decided to vote for less popular characters like tv (everyone thought he was going to get out at the time)
GET NICKEL BACK TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Puffball i miss you
@@carnedecarne2763 wow
Undeserved Eliminations:
TPOT 2: Pie
TPOT 3: Foldy
TPOT: 4:Cloudy
TPOT 4: Saw
TPOT 5: Remote
TPOT 6 Eggy
TPOT 6: Fries
TPOT 7: Lightning
TPOT 8: Cake
TPOT 9: Puffball
TPOT 9: Coiny
TPOT 10: Nickel
TPOT 12: Bomby
TPOT 13: Needle
TPOT 13: Barf Bag
TPOT 14: Eraser
TPOT 14: Gaty
TPOT 12: Bomby
Let’s not be dramatic 😭
so basically. most of them
No clock, no service
bro put bomby twice just to make sure 😭😭 like bro someone gonna get eliminated
Bro remembered his channel password 💀
Bro overused a joke grrrr >:(
Vote to save: popular contest
Vote to eliminate: rudeness contest
At this point I’m not even sure what’s better.
Switch between them randomly
Honestly they need to bring back vote to eliminate what's the point of hating a character anymore if their constantly gonna be safe because of vote to save
even contestant vote has problems
@@Emeraldboy-rj5dx yeah the main problem about contestant vote is sacrificing really good characters
I agree, needle’s eliminations was unfair she was actually doing the challenge, it’s should’ve be tv, all tv did is get glued to some other contestants, tv practically did nothing..
No it should've been 1:58 bottle for making her team lose in purpose and making her my least favorite character.
@@CKlogowomp womp
Excuse me 🤨
Cant lie Remote getting out over Fanny helped TPOT in the long run, especially death PACT again with the arc
i mean if you think about it remote was already kinda going semi-against death pact as seem in bfb 12/(the episode rf says "SHES THE ONE THAT SENT US A BOMB!" so i honestly think that the arc was supposed to go to remote but then maked it fanny's arc bc they werent expecting her to get out
SORRY FOR THE RANT, i love remote too much
@@zgui2763no exactly it’s not that bad I like fanny
I honestly think the arc was either going to be remote, fanny, or lightning.
If fanny was out first of the three and lightning was out second, the same thing would happen in TPOT 7 with remote
If fanny was out first of the three and remote was out second, I think the same thing would happen but a different TPOT 7 challenge
And continuing that with every possible elimination order out of those three
@@zgui2763It can't be like that at all, we can say that the bomb was a method of defense because "A better name than that" was sabotaging Remote, which made her activate her method of defense, but I feel that she was not against the pact at all sincerely
That is a good point but vote to eliminate is also bad as if a character does one thing wrong they will get bombarded with hate such as spongy as he went fron getting not to many votes to more than double the votes than his entire team
I hate the vote save voting because bomby,nickel and bell got out for doing nothing wrong
Yeah but they did nothing good either, bell is a good player but she does nothing plot relevant besides overthrowing robot flower, Bomby had potential for a pillow rivalry but was just unlucky out of the four losers and nickel can be perceived as annoying and is very useless imo
Because they do nothing in general.
@cloudyfromtpotreal Nickel was the funniest on his team he did NOT deserve to get out. Bomby got out cuz ppl just think "OMG PILLOW KILLED SOMEONE HAHA IM DYING OF LAUGHTER SO FUNNY" and also the fact that Price tag started an arc with book. Pillow should definitely have gone instead. As for bell, rf should have gone instead of her, seriously her arc with basketball was lame af.
@@sarkarmamatin6694 having an arc that's "lame" (most people don't agree with you) is better than having no arc at all. And your criticism about pillow is in direct contrast to the lack of information you are even able to say about Bomby because he is so bland. I agree about nickel (though I think pillow is funnier.) Should Nickel have gone? No. But with the options remaining, he had to go before the team swap unfortunately.
Honestly i kind of agree because sometimes it works like this
Lets say a character is absolutely beloved, however the big majority of people have them as their second or third favourite of the team, but because this character wasnt first and you can only vote for one obviously, the character is not voted by the big majority, not because people dont like them, its because there was a character they liked more, so a character that people dont want out got out because there was another character that was better, but remember: worse is not equals nad, and i know what im saying is true because that has happened more than once
I somewhat agree. Like how Yellow Face did the second-most on his team, but still got bottom 2. But then we have Coiny and Puffball, who are really popular, get out based on the episode.
So it's like 50% Natural Popularity & 50% Screentime
It’s probably 80-20
Bro was gone for a whole year and decided to come back out of nowhere (I cannot talk. I left for 9 months)
Fr lmao
ill be the one to say it... grassy is way too overrated. he doesn't even do that much anymore, and the only thing semi-interesting is his friendship with snowball, which doesn't even make that much sense. yet he'll probably make it to top 10 (or possibly top 5) because he's "cute"... right...
i hate that the best characters are getting out for like no reason.
Exactly
It happened to Coiny, it happened to Puffball, I'm praying it doesn't happen to Basketball.
@@goodboi7026 I LOVE BASKETBALL I WOULD CRY LMAO
@@goodboi7026ngl, coiny was bad at the time but it gave pin some development and I wish that continued maybe with gaty or needle
egggggggggggggggggggggy also how is there more donut fans then coiny fans?!??!?! I know lots of people like pin so I can just vote someone else knowing she's prob safe she's my fav but i feel like im gonna change my fav character soon maybe pie
they shouldve done it like II bruh 😭
Why Do I Watch These Random Videos And They Open My Eyes And My Whole World Breaks..
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@@fffffff575 Yes :]
I still don’t even know how tv is still surviving in these elimination
Because he doesn’t have anything going on, also lots of us just like how silly he is and appreciate his value more than most of the characters left.
@@WarterHat6232"Because he doesn't have anything going on" isn't that a reason to NOT vote for him?
@@anidiotusingyoutubeWell, in these last episodes he's been useful, but he probably deserved to be eliminated before his development, like Grassy.
Because people have opinions??
@@WarterHat6232i voted to save him every time his team was up for elimination. I'm a TV fan.
Also, not to mention but there's also kids who vote characters like Grassy or Bracletey which is kinda bad for Cary's vocal chords.
It’s not kids who vote Bracelety though, she has a whole fangroup who tried to get her into tpot
@ I know, but there are kids who hate Pencil because she has BFDIA.
@@Peashooter3333they only use that excuse when it’s a character they dislike. tb, pin and book also have bfdia yet they always get a ton of save votes in both seasons
@@ivywt Oh, ok.
honestly i’m kinda glad ii switched to contestant vote. I thought it was weird at first but now looking at vote to save and any voting style in general more i can see why they moved to contestant vote
@@LUCKY22012 you mean for inanimate insanity or what
@@Objectcubed yes
I kinda want them to do elimination votes - save votes = total, and the one with the highest amount is out
yeah I wondered how that would work in BFDIA I'm and it's a pretty cool idea
what if tpot switches to contestant vote after the final 12
I think they didn't want people getting mad that they're favorite character was getting hate. And vice versa
vote to eliminate isn't much better, idk why nobody brought this up yet but what happened with Leafy in BFB 2 looks a lot like it was supposed to be setting up an arc, when Leafy got eliminated that arc ended pretty much immediately, also I mention this a lot but when Match got eliminated she had already apologized for her actions _the episode before_ and the viewers decided to vote her out anyways because "sHe wAS mEaN", perhaps the viewers shouldn't have so much control over who gets eliminated?
Seriously, vote to save is awful, the actually GOOD characters get eliminated (like Remote and Coiny), while the most ANNOYING characters (like Yellow face and Pillow) stay in because people are for some reason OBSESSED with them. They seriously need to bring back vote to eliminate.
frrrrrrrrrrrr
I wish they swapped between vote save elim and vote to save
Only issue is if one of the contestants aren't involved in some form of drama, they'll most likely just get voted out even if they help their team win. Just look at what happened to Dora in BFB
I don't accept much of the fact that you call Pillow or Yellow Face fans obsessed, but yes, the vote to save is somehow ruining TPOT.
@@greaterthan-colon-three coiny elim developed pin and remote did nothing on the show besides watch pillow?
I actually vote to save on a character i like who i think might be in danger. but it doesn't even matter when contestants like bomby and gaty get lots of votes to getting eliminated a few episodes after, tpot eliminations are so unpredictable and weve lost characters that can actually get development to keep one dimensional characters like grassy.
and i think they should stop the double eliminations now aswell
@@BattleOfColors I mean, I get everything else, but there's like 60+ contestants, that'd probably be too many episodes
@@greaterthan-colon-three but at this point of the game, they should stop.
grassy is actually good, he has a relationship with snowball and he literally made his team win
@@cloudyfromtpotreal this "potential" only happens for a few episodes
Nobody is ever satisfied in this community lmao
Basic critisizm is’nt allowed anymore ?
i agree. it kinda is actually.
0:41 fr, it's not like there were two teams up for elimination and the voters had only one vote at the time smh.
bro saw was literally so annoying with her screaming 8 little thing
Don’t blame the fans, blame the writers they ruined her
It makes things even more polarized 😭
sure loved the part when you gave a solution to all of this
not even in tpot this happens, in bfb dora got eliminated even tho she carried [insert team name] in most of their episodes like bfb 2, 11 and 6 and since she wasn't in the abandoning arc and because the writers wanted to save book, she was eliminated.
a character doing well at challenges means literally nothing about the character. Dora was a such a nothingburger at the time she got eliminated first off her team twice. If all Needle did was win challenges would she have half the fan base she does?
UGH I LOVE DORA
@@Ribbitalyou do realize Dora became more popular then needle right? Not to mention your reasoning sucks
@@RibbitalIt means a lot actually, we are talking about a joke character, a joke character who's actually doing something for her team.
dawg decided to go on a video posting grind after not saying shit for years 😔
I uploaded on my main in july 😐
"saw was one of the most useful team players, always willing to take on challenges" she didnt do anything in tpot unless you count her teammates using her as a tool in every episode she competes
i don't find bell interesting, the thing her string is attached to is scarcely mentioned and the show doesn't seem to want to answer it, her getting out over rf was def good for rf's storyline
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Why can’t they just do likes and dislikes they subtract likes from dislikes
That's basically what BFDIA does with a slight tweak.
yeah I’ll agree, the best way to solve this is dual voting (people get a vote to save and to eliminate)
That sounds too complicated imo, I think VTE is the best but that’s just my opinion
@@Objectcubedbfdia does this perfectly
@@hananaltair3563bfdia has no elements of vote to save, the likes are for a prize
remote deserves to go far 😭
It shouldnt be who plays the best, because thats subjective. VTS allows mean characters to stay. Look at the bfdi final 6 before flower joined. It was all made of nice characters who never did anything bad (except leafy)
Compare this to bfb pre split, where by the final 6 (before profily) we had a good split of nice and mean. VTS isnt bad, its just how some characters get out after being good
Vote for save for me was good in BFB post split, but not good in TPOT
kinda obvious but ima say it
The reason why most (including me) prefer VTE is that it's much harder to have a character get carried, for lack of a better word. It's much easier to get a buncha pillow fans to vote for pillow so theyre safe than to get a buncha pillow fans to vote nickel, or something. Its harder to screw with the results and contributes to a better playing experience.
I feel that, for example, pencil might not have been eliminated in VTS in BFB 2 since she was a well-liked character in bfdi and bfdia. Its just annoying.
Pillow comes up often in convos about BFDI voting, as her performance in TPOT 9 was really bad, and still being here instead of getting eliminated showed VTE's shortcomings, as instead of being eliminated for doing the worst, its for doing the least. The difference is that the latter is simply much worse from a voting standpoint.
0:33 the reason why saw got eliminated was because of the 8 gag why are you ignoring that
Remote's elim was 100% deserved tbh she only did stuff in TPOT 1 and that's it
0:18 Romote in TPOT 8?
What are these skibidi arguments 😂😂😂
Contestant vote is just the best
It lets the characters actually decide their fate in the game
Let's easily creating arcs and conflicts
Makes it so smart characters like Golf Ball actually have an advantage somewhere
And also lets the authors controll their own show, and write it the way they see it
Which is exactly why I’m so glad II started doing that after episode 11 season 2
I honestly think this is a double edged sword. Yeah it can possibly make the arcs better, but it can take away the charm of object shows.
Without viewer votings, Object shows would just be another competition show with objects as the main characters. Heck they probably wouldn’t even be as popular as they are now without them.
Not saying contestant votes should’ve never be a thing, but only having them would remove the magic of object shows IMO.
@@kirbyfan2088 Well even though i do see your point
Seeing how much better Inanimate Insanity became when they switched the voting format, and the amazingness of Total Drama
I think the plot is just a lot more interesting when contestants can ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING other then challenges, and characters like Pillow or Grassy don't stay for too long
The positives of contestant vote are just too high compared to it's negatives(which barely exist)
Contestant vote is just a win
@ yeah I can see that, as I do think contestant votes can be really great in competition shows. (Even if they can still go wrong when writing is still a concern).
Voting is just an extremely hard thing to get right. Granted my main point was uniqueness, but that can go a long way for a series.
rip foldy
I do sorta agree SOMETIMES, but you all seem to just be upset over your untouchable favourites getting out. I personally enjoy unpredictability in a season, it makes it far more engaging. You’re only saying that it’s being ruined just because you’re mad that characters you like are out/at risk, something us fans of underrated characters are more so glad about, as it gives our favourite a chance. It also sounds like you’re a Pillow hater, and thus want VTE to get out characters you view as “bad”, which yet again, is opinionated and the show it’s being objectively ruined by it.
(Not a Pillow fan btw)
Unfortunately not many will agree with me, since well, the characters are popular, so you’ll be on the “BOOO! THIS SUCKS! HOW DARE YOU LET A SEASON NOT BE PREDICTABLE !” side.
Also side note, every example you used was from when TPOT didn’t have poll voting, most examples you use are a result of voting wars, an issue that was solved.
That still makes it suck tho, cuz now forever characters were robbed thanks to the voting wars, maybe it’s fixed now, but certain characters will never get their time to shine thanks to that method, Soo I can kinda see the hatred for the VTS system still
@@awesomeaustenkittythe thing is, it's not a VTS problem. If TPOT was VTE, the vote wars would happen anyway and good characters would still get out
imagine how the tpot finale will turn out
IT better not be tv winning
I honestly disagree. Vote to save has caused some pretty bad eliminations in TPOT but I think that was a result of vote botting which isn't as much as a problem anymore due to the voting being in a google poll now, but anyways my point is that characters CAN get a bigger voterbase by doing substantial things in episodes. Just for an example, Fanny was in the bottom two twice and now due to her development she's one of the most voted characters. Same with Robot Flower, she's not a very popular character but she got a lot of votes in TPOT 13 due to her big role in that episode. I agree with a lot of things in this video, yeah VTS is partially a popularity contest, but I don't think that's all it is.
Perhaps the reason characters that people like are doing good with vote to save, is because vote to save is about voting the characters you want to stay in the competion, you know, the characters you like?
BFDI fans when the characters in an elimination based competition get eliminated:
Hes critisizing the elimination order
He’s talking about how the characters get eliminated
For me, the most unfair eliminations were nickel and needle in episodes 10 and 13 because they did absolutely nothing wrong in the challenges and pillow and bottle should've gotten out before them.
Mistakes: remote got eliminated in tpot 5 so how could she do anything in tpot 8? And saw got eliminated in tpot 4 not tpot 5
Sorry if I sound like a nerd lol
1:31 Nope
Just a reminder that leafy got the first boot from her team back when VTE was being used
But what happened in Post-split? SHE LITERALLY GOT ONTO THE FINAL 5 (keep in mind that post-split uses VTS instead of VTE)
I do kinda understand the difference between both voting systems. (I can conclude that VTE is way better by a mile)
If this continues then Grassy or Pillow’s gonna win
it's always been like that
I think the vote to eliminate thing should come back so i can have my get back on pillow
YESS LMAOO
@@Objectcubed so real dude
I'm still mad at naily's elimination cake lost the challenge for team just not but my favorite character naily is eliminated it just makes no sense and don't get me started on nickel's elimination
Bomby got eliminated even tho they actually did something and having someone on your team making you lose pretty every challenge isn't voted out?
Yea he stayed for longer than I expected fs
It was only 1 challenge she caused the team to lose
Are you talking about pillow? Because she only caused her team to lose once, in TPOT 9, and that wasn't even her fault
She almost did I don't even think you understand@@Enven37
@@Enven37 and it was pillows fault that they lost , pillow was the one who broke the tv
I like TV, and VTS is helping him stay. So I like VTS
It was technically trees popularity that got gaty out which was unfair , Now I’m sorry if you guys are a tree fan but tree is boring .very to the point where they will get elminated saw,coiny,needle,nickel,gaty,lightnings elimination was unfair (imo) lightning didn’t deserve that rlly and the fact blackhole was just being mean to lightning was getting me angry now if you guys are blackhole fans don’t come for me but he acts like a total pick me in the show (imo) Death Pact Can’t Survive a Single Elimination Without Preventing Death . LIKE DO THE CHALLENGE ITS NOT HARD THIS IS WHY YOUR ALWAYS UP FOR ELIMINATION? Blackhole and Tree Are The Reason Why Remote,Lightning,Pie are Eliminated “We have to Prevent Death” THERES A RECOVERY CENTER? 💀 If Lightning Or Gaty Don’t Rejoin I’m Gonna Spam In The Comments Saying ELIMINATE BLACKHOLE And It’s Also The Vote To Save Instead Why Not Vote To Eliminate?? Or Make It Contestant Vote ? Let’s Hope This Changes , )Rip All Eliminated Contestants in Death Pact) and Nickel (other eliminated contestants too)
Eraser, puffball, lightning should have stayed they were literally some of the best characters in TPOT plot wise, ppl need to stop saving characters like TV and pillow, etc and think who’d be the best winner
Yeah and then pillow and yellow face stay in the game for some reason
Marker is the GOAT
agreed with you for once
Any voting system that keeps yellow face in the game is a GOOD SYSTEM!
Also no offense, but Saw was the absolute worst member on team8’s. She 100% deserved to get the first boot.
Cool video and i agree with you
Good video
but you got literally every episode wrong 😭
whoops i was too sleepy
Saw would’ve still gotten out, her team had a bunch of fan favorites and the 8 gag was annoying
Yea but for Coiny and Remote tho
@ Remote is the one of the most overrated characters in the whole show and coiny had to get out for pin to develop
@@theredvelvetpirate I don’t know if remote is overrated anymore I see hate for her 24/7 so I’d say she’s well rated
@@Objectcubed let's be honest, what did remote even do besides having an "unique" voice
Remote in tpot 8??
Straight facts
Thanks brudda
I agree
I completely disagree in this regard. I think that BFDI was completely based and run on the system of voting in the first place, and although it was vote to eliminate at first, it just feels more right to save your favorite characters instead of bashing the ones you hate through votes. Although yes, some great characters have been eliminated through this system, that’s democracy for you, and if you’re disinterested, then watch II, which had the same problem while using vote to eliminate. Also many of the examples you used were before voting was moved to Google Forms instead of the comment section, to which yes, I 100% agree that voting wars were the worst aspect of TPOT, in that it was random chance who would be eliminated and not based on fan support at all. Also every single example you gave, and I mean literally every, you said an episode that said character was not eliminated in which feels insulting when you’re trying to stress this issue (Remote was eliminated in 5, not 8, Saw in 4, not 3, Bell in 12, not 6). And to top it off, Saw 100% deserved to get eliminated, I never liked her. People use an example for literally any character.
Crazy how bro doesn’t reply to comments that disagree with them, I guess he can’t debunk your argument
0:19/2:00 you man tpot 5
but ngl i see your point
I wrote this at 6am mb😭
oh ok then
Honestly they should do contestant voting,it would work so well
Real
Real
Naily got so robbed by STV it’s not even funny
Why is this so true though, I think Naily would’ve been 3rd maybe even 2nd safe if voters could back then vote one from each team, but the team Just Not was up with are DPA which was like the MOST popular team at the time so Just Not kinda got kicked to the curb and Naily got caught in the crossfire sadly :
0:34 I have to disagree with you on this point, Saw was ONE OF THE MOST USELESS team members in Team8s, here's why:
TPOT 1: She did absolutely nothing than just being a tool to scale for Donut.
TPOT 2: She did absolutely nothing,again, just being a tool for needle in the Bell's moment, that's not even being useful at all.
TPOT 3: Absolutely nothing... as always, just being a tool for the seats....
Seriously?Do you call Saw an "useful team member"?
not to mention when she got eliminated the writers had to make pin and needle pretend they actually interacted with her and that she was important to them
Yeah you say this until we get an infinity worse elimination order with Vote to Eliminate where all the good and interesting characters either get setup or die first, and not even ones where it would be for the better like Coiny’s was 🥱
Don’t even try to use the Contestant Vote excuse because not only would that not work in BFDI, it kinda defeats the point of the show
Cloudy & Remote were the best on their teams yet got the boot very early on :/