Whats'up with Chinese Indonesian Names?!
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2020
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本影片所解釋的取名法是事實上的簡單化
The naming method explained in this video is a simplified version of what really happened
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To add another layer of complexity to this; we can't assume William Tanuwijaya's Chinese surname is Tan just from his Indonesian surname.
1. The sounds "oe/u" and "oei/ui" are in there too. Which could correspond to 余 or 黃 respectively.
2. Even if his surname were Tan, that could correspond to the Mandarin romanisation of 譚, rather than the 閩語 romanisation of 陳.
3. His Chinese surname could be totally unrelated like 楊 or 文. It's also totally common for these kind of Sanskrit/Arabic-derived Indonesian surnames to be unrelated to a persons Chinese name. Anecdotally, many of my relatives and friends families just took whatever surname was given to them by the officer in charge of name changing at the time.
Another expand even further, many Indonesians are of 非閩南人 descent. There's the Hakka like Ahok, Hainanese like Soe Hok Gie, and Szeyup/Cantonese like Kuncoro Wibowo. Actually some of the people you mentioned like Liem Sioe Liong are 非閩南人. Liem Sioe Liong is Hokcia (閩東人). It just happened that his surname Liem in Hokcia also coincided with the Hokkien pronunciation. But this won't always be the case. For example, while the 閩南語 pronunciation of 許 is Kho/Khouw, the 閩東語 pronunciation is Hie. On that note, Liem is actually a pretty consistent pronunciation across Southern Chinese languages. Even the Szeyup (四邑人) of central Guangdong also pronounce 林 as Liem. Even though their cousins in Guangzhou pronounce it as Lam.
Thank you for in-depth analysis!! Yes as you said the reality is actually much more complicated that what is told in the video. And there is definitely a possibility that Tanuwijaya could also mean 黃 or even 譚, this 陳 assumption is based on personal experience and the results I found online, that most of the people I know or saw on the internet are 陳s. But thank you again for the explanation, I'm pinning this so other viewers can see.
@@GThinks 不客氣。 希望你可以繼續給外國朋友解釋印尼華人的文化。
Thats what happened in thailand too. Most of thai-chinese have long family name to disguise the chinese family name into thai-sounding one. They cant adopt the pure thai family name so they created somehow ridiculous-long last names 😂
yes, chinese thai is smilliar with indonesian chinese
長知識了。謝謝
Many young Chinese generations in Indonesia do not use their real names due to the discriminatory policies of the Soeharto regime
Soeharto very racialist to ethnic Chinese
很棒的影片，谢谢分享！
谢谢支持！
Nowadays you can use your original Chinese surname tho. My friend change her last surname to Tjoe. But she keeps her first name, which is generic Indonesian name
你的中文很好
社会上会有改回原先姓氏的声音吗？无论是按照方言还是普通话发音
長知識了！那我想問除了姓氏外，如果華人取的名字也是localised/indonesianised的話，會特別去考究這名字的意義嗎？（好像我們取中文名會特別去看每一個字的涵義/有些西方人或基督教徒取名是因為聖經裡說_這名字__代表"希望" "陽光" "勇士" 之類的原因）。
此外，我也有興趣知道大多數印尼人的宗教信仰和成長過程中的教育背景 因為我認識的好幾個印尼華人都是念當地的天主教大學的，這點我覺得很神奇＞＜", 請問這類大學的學生比例大概是怎樣分配的？另外印尼華人會不會有城市的家境比較好的孩子傾向念國際學校？
最後是當地華人社群會不會感覺有"人才外流的 " 現象，例如印尼華人出國深造後繼續待在當地，沒有回國因為可能有不會被重視甚至完全得不到機會的顧慮？
對不起我問得太多了ㅠㅠ 因為很好奇其他地區的海外華人是怎樣生活的，然後第一次看到你這樣的頻道，真的很lucky!!!
Thanks for the chinese sub, i can learn mandarin with your video 😊 good explanation of indonesian chinese surname
Thanks! Glad that you liked it 😁
我也好像念丟雷大學樓某系喔！
趕快報名！！！
I think It is possible that the naming took the sound of the Chinese surname but it would be absurd to guess the names and then generalize. Indonesian Chinese came from various dialects such as Hakka, hokkien, teowchew, Hainan, etc. when converted to Pinyin will produce different pronunciations. the surname Zhang 張 becomes Cong in Hakka and Thio in Hokkien.The result is Indonesian surename will be different depending on the descent.
可以分享交流一期印尼华人基督徒的吗?谢谢
Chinese culture were banned during the Soeharto regime including Chinese schools. So, a lot of Chinese Indonesians go to Christian schools since they still allow Chinese customs (praying to ancestors, pork consumption, alcoholic drinks, etc.) and a lot of them converted to Christianity because of this. Buddhist schools weren't common back then since the Buddhists were still struggling to get recognised by the government. Nowadays, Soeharto has fallen and Chinese culture are returning. Even Chinese New Year is recognised as a national holiday. Even though most Chinese Indonesians don't use the traditional Chinese naming system anymore, a lot of Chinese use their original family names again as last names, not the Indonesianised ones. Currently, there are some Buddhist and Chinese schools as well.
融入当地印尼的闽南语在发音还是和福建闽南语有些许的不一样
請問姓何跟姓許會用什麼譯音呢? 我很想知道我爸爸回到中國之後有沒有被譯錯姓氏，而我媽媽姓Tjeng，是姓莊對嗎？
Tjeng 應該是「鄭」或「曾」的印尼文寫法，這連結給你參考: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Indonesian_surname 裡面有些所有印尼華人的姓氏以及他們的譯音，許、何也有 :)
怎樣隱藏這個也是印尼名字。
泰国华人当时也是这样的，把姓氏融合到泰语中
Are you Thai?
朋友姓 Wijoyo 黃，真有趣
wijoyo or wijaya = win
cmiiw
fabian是什么华人姓氏
I already know this, why am I here🤣. Hi, i'm a fellow wijaya🙌
Loll hello there 🤣🤣
How about hadiwinata?
wuih nama orang indonesia banget tuh
You. Cong wen ming ze yi ting you. But. Only used private when to looking for wedding date day or when for write name at the grave tombstone .
👍
Azuya surya???
那现在新一代的印尼华人可不可以把身份证改回中文姓的英文字？？ 例如只是单单tan lim wong goh ong lee罢了 和马来西亚/新加坡一样
現在可以喔 👍
Yes you can, but many chinese indonesian parents today prefers western - indonesian names, it sounds more modeen and inclusive.
- Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo
- Marcus Fernaldi Gideon
- Liliana Tanoesodibjo
- Valencia Clara Budiman
Etc
We can use our Chinese name today but most of us now are very proud of having Indonesian name as well, we are 100% Indonesian
Yes, you can, but it's a hassle since you have to revise a lot of documents which people perceive as a waste of time and money. Moreover, I observe that the Chinese Indonesians currently prefer a combination of Indonesian name and Chinese family name. Although, there is a trend of using their original Chinese family names again after the fall of Soeharto, not the Indonesianised ones, they don't use the traditional Chinese naming system anymore. Since Indonesians are very diverse, Indonesian names may include local ethnic names, Western names, Sanskrit names, and Arabic names. For example, my son has an Arabic first name, a mix of Javanese and Sanskrit names as his middle name, and Hokkien family name with Dutch spelling as a last name.
Yes, we can but it is a hassle because we must change ALL of our legal documents (ID card, bank accounts, certificates, etc), the process, the bureaucracy, the time needed is not really worth it, instead we could just pass down our Chinese surname to our kids in the future.
華語教師按讚
福建人来支持
姓（赖）的怎样称为呢？
"Lai" If adopt into indonesian sounding name is Lesmana or Lazuardi
我想知道Oey是什么呢？
Oey 也是黃喔，荷蘭文的 Oe 是念 u，那Uy 印尼文念法是跟 Wi / wee 差不多
@@GThinks 好的，谢谢
Im a hokkien thanks bro im lin yong qiang 😁😁😁
Saya orang indo
tokopedia居然是华裔创办的，牛逼。这个公司好像京东投资了不少钱
Hahahaha who so suprised.. are u surprised also when u read my name?
Not really....
這個大學的學系太母湯了🌚🌚🌚😂
我认识爪哇的华人，大多数都有名字，只是很少用
私下用吧？身份证件里必须写上印尼名字而不能写上中文的拼音名字是吧？
@@alexwang1804 拼音可以
masa sih
The younger generation of Chinese Indonesians is the generation that was lost because they used local names
How many comments do you like?
Its just a name.
Its still have your family name
You must proud you have a good new name.
You may asking
Bruce lee
Jack ma
Stephen cow
Andi lau
Its global name idiots
You imagine if andy lau using real china name ? 😀
為什麼華人講bahasa?
They are Indonesian
那我想问，姓吴你们叫什么？😂
朋友直接後面名字＋ Goh。
Su = Good
Dono = money.
Sudono Salim = Lim of good money.
想知道姓『賴』的。
賴比較難隱藏，因為好像沒什麼當地名字有 “lua/loa" 的音節 😂
@@GThinks Rupa-rupanya.
非閩南人的話可以改賴成為Laya、Lais、Laimena或者Lasuki.
Saya orang Indonesia Xie Xie ♥️😁
你是印尼华裔？
我是。
@@Pokymons 喔
@@peterwilsonpann5817 您呢？
@@Pokymons 我是马来西亚华裔
@@peterwilsonpann5817 喔。
Well since the fall of orde baru in 90s there was no rule to localized our name anymore. We are given freedom to choose any name. But now we see most of chinese-indonesian still named their baby locally or.. the more popular choice is using western name like angel, stefanie, steven, andrew, etc... proofing that even now most of them, they prefer western name instead of chinese one.
Not really, it’s only mean that the Chinese Indonesians were suppressed for so long to freely exercise/express their cultural custom, language n tradition that now even themselves r no longer capable of embracing their our cultural identity n be proud of it. There r some few other reasons, in younger generations the more universal reason is the banana effect, they just don’t think their culture is cool enough. Another reason is fitting in or wanted to be accepted by majority in the society/country that doesn’t value or share their culture, this can be seen in US how Trump trying to make Mexicans feel bad for using their mother tongue n I believe many ended up abandoning their culture just in order to be accepted.....
I think only small number of Chinese Indonesian who use that kind of customised Chinese and Indonesian name. Most of Chinese Indonesian (mostly young generation) prefer English name to localised name such as Alex, Cecilia, Raymond, and etc.
@@insideout9824 well to be fair, adaptation is essential for survival. So they probably have to bear with it.
@@aliu8914 It isn't only Chinese but also Indonesian as a whole name their kids with western name. Original Indonesian name isn't trend. nobody want to name their children Susilo, Purnomo, Bambang, Zulfkifly, Deden, ect
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Hahahaha
chinese here doesnt like called chinese, they called themselves indonesian, even cant speak mandarin but speak indo and their own region accent
Exactly! 🙌
but the young generation stating using the real chinese surname...
Not really
They more likely use western given name, but still keep their localize chinese surname, like western + javanese name combine. But for muslim chinese, they more likely use arabic name which is hard to tell if they chinese or not by their name
丢雷楼谋
Ngomong apa sih gak ngerti.. kenapa ada bendera indonesia
Bahas keunikan nama2 orang tionghoa di indonesia bro. Karena namanya pada aneh2 dan gk keliatan nama tionghoanya, ya contohnya kyak nama gua ini (tjong 张 marga gua, di akte ya gk ditulis gini)
@@dwirahmattjong6927 ohh itu berarti nama tionghoa dan di indonesiakan.. seperti kata kata vairel kita sebut viral..
这叫什么隐藏？？？都改🉐面目全非了。现在，你们印尼华人的下一代所出生的孩子，能不能在印尼名字的后面再加上一个中文姓氏呢？？？例如，孩子的印尼明字是，sukarno. Atau 林 绍 良？当然，林绍良这个名字必须写上拼音名字Lin. Shao. Liang。就如我们马来西亚华人的身份证件。Nama Lin. Shao. Liang.Tanggal lahir 1954,10. 11。
They preferred romans name mix witg family name.
David
Raymon
Thomas
Jenny
Lisa
Rhein
If you still complain as usually as malaysian 😁
Why dont you ask :
Andy lau
Jack ma
Stephen cow
And thousands people who not using Chinese real name
這麼有錢的華人就可以敵國啦，還被逼害改印尼名。
因為印尼獨立時時局不穩，又加上推崇同化政策，所以就只好就改成印尼名。
@@sungin728
那些有錢的印尼華人當時就應該離開印尼這個國家，去些安定繁榮的地方身故才能。
现在大部分的印尼华人都有两个名字，我也是印尼的，我们这里当地的他们的人都很好很亲切勒。
@@veronicalorenja6606 90年代排華，死了不少華人。你們為何還不走？
請先了解印尼的建國歷史
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