Arsenal's INVINCIBLES or Xabi Alonso's Bayer Leverkusen? HOT TAKES!!🔥 | ESPN FC

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  • Alexis Nunes is joined by Shaka Hislop to debate whether Arsenal's Invincibles of 2004 are a better team than Xabi Alonso's Bayer Leverkusen, who are just three games away from an entire season unbeaten.
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  • @isyncup6965
    @isyncup6965 19 днів тому +43

    Arsenal “Invincible” for the League but lost to everything else during that season on a chance of getting Quintuple (Champion League, FA Cup, League Cup and Community Shield), Leverkusen without question what they doing this season is truly remarkable just 3 games away from a Truly a perfect Tremble

  • @Stark1ller
    @Stark1ller 19 днів тому +67

    Arsenal in 2003/2004: 26-12-0 after 38 matches. Leverkusen 2023/2024: 27-6-0 after 33 (of 34) matches. 27 wins is already better than 26.

    • @chriskey7440
      @chriskey7440 19 днів тому +8

      But you have to gauge how hard each league is. Do you think 03/04 EPL is weaker than 23/24 Bundesliga?? Do you remember how stacked MU were, how good Liverpool and Chelsea were in 03/04?? Imo, Arsenal going undefeated in that gauntlet of a league, is more impressive than Leverkusen barely tying Stuttgart this year.

    • @DerMarcoee
      @DerMarcoee 19 днів тому +32

      @@chriskey7440bayern and dortmund in the champions league semi -/ final. Stuttgart same points like Bayern. Imo bundesliga better than PL nowadays and back then.

    • @chriskey7440
      @chriskey7440 19 днів тому +2

      @@DerMarcoee I knew you'd say that, but are those teams better than the 03/04 EPL top teams? Dortmund just got smoked by Mainz, and Mainz are in a relegation battle. Do you really think Stuttgart and Bayern could handle MU back then?? Giggs, R7, Rooney, Ferdinand, etc? Then that's when Chelsea got stacked, then add in Liverpool... What I'm saying is, the Bundesliga has always been a great league, but in those early 2000 days, the EPL was a gauntlet haha. I do not think Leverkusen would've stayed undefeated had they played, 03/04 Chelsea, MU, Newcastle, and Liverpool.

    • @chriskey7440
      @chriskey7440 19 днів тому +1

      @@DerMarcoee I forgot to add RvN at MU too.

    • @chriskey7440
      @chriskey7440 19 днів тому +1

      @@DerMarcoee you really think Wirtz could've lasted in 03/04 England haha? You think Tah could've lasted, he barely lasted against Qarabag.

  • @thomaspecorelli6104
    @thomaspecorelli6104 19 днів тому +13

    Arsenal??? Lol.... Leverkusen just broke Juventus' record of consecutive games unbeaten and they're trying to talk about Arsenal.... smh.

  • @itsnotpoyan
    @itsnotpoyan 19 днів тому +43

    The only people that say Arsenal's Invincible season is better are Arsenal fans.
    Side-by-side that type of run in the premier league would be better. But then you take into consideration the cup + Europa league + where Leverkusen started (i.e their regular strength compared to Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig) then it's a no-brainer. Leverkusen's achievement is much bigger (from a Bayern fan).

    • @KLHK1981
      @KLHK1981 18 днів тому

      Epl play 4 matches more. Fyi

    • @shikaarsingh4552
      @shikaarsingh4552 17 днів тому +5

      ⁠​⁠@@KLHK1981and in 4 less matches, leverkusen have more wins than arsenal in that invincible season? (27 vs 26). Fyi

  • @paulorganisation1
    @paulorganisation1 19 днів тому +40

    Well leverkusen might be treble winners + invincibles so it won't even be close.

    • @logirex
      @logirex 19 днів тому +1

      that and Arsenals invincibles lost in the league cup, fa cup and champions league 🤦‍♂

    • @paulorganisation1
      @paulorganisation1 19 днів тому +2

      @@logirex well they won only the premier league so ofcourse they lost in the cups 😆

    • @eriosvanda479
      @eriosvanda479 16 днів тому

      @@logirex which means they were loser elsewhere besides PL?

  • @vitanus
    @vitanus 19 днів тому +3

    Leverkusen probably played the best season of any club in history and not just because of the results, but also their mentality and tactics.
    The Bundesliga is also crazy strong this season, their second best narrowly lost against Madrid in the Semifinals of the CL and their fifth best is in the final, while the best team (Leverkusen) is in the EPL final.
    Their fourth best only lost to Madrid by one goal in the R16.
    And Leverkusen didn´t lose a single game against all these heavy hitters this season?
    It´s not even close between Arsenal and Leverkusen ...

  • @kiainbo265
    @kiainbo265 19 днів тому +5

    Lol the background. "LM + 10 = GOAT" love it

  • @p1critter409
    @p1critter409 19 днів тому +2

    Leverkusen was literally in the relegation battle and then fought to stay up, then go on to set the all time record for undefeated streak in all european comps. First ever Bundesliga undefeated season. A team that was never given a chance to foght for the title turned into the champions and a chance at a treble. This team easily is a bigger achievement than the Arsenal squad. And ita been enjoyable to watch as an outsider, this team is what football os all about, fun and love!

  • @omarbautista541
    @omarbautista541 19 днів тому +7

    1:25 People need to do some research and learn they wernt that bad. 2017 was thier lowest point at 12 and have always been staying top 6 since then. Being incinvible is impressive but lets not act this was a bottom table team when they consitily stayed top 6 of the table

  • @namouche7118
    @namouche7118 19 днів тому +18

    Leverkusen all the way

  • @Japapodcast9ja
    @Japapodcast9ja 19 днів тому +13

    +VAR, arsenal wouldn't smell the cup😂😂😂😂

    • @dman9152
      @dman9152 16 днів тому

      Robert Pires dive against Portsmouth

  • @PaulGregory86
    @PaulGregory86 19 днів тому +2

    People are forgetting neverlosen also have not lost in any cup games either

  • @ashleycolangelo2962
    @ashleycolangelo2962 19 днів тому +3

    LM+10=GOAT on the board ... facts

  • @KBFragranceParade585
    @KBFragranceParade585 19 днів тому +2

    How is this even a conversation

  • @chriskey7440
    @chriskey7440 19 днів тому +23

    Leverkusen's is better, if they do the double or the trebel. Aint no way they're losing to my home team FC Kaiserslautern, but Atalanta I think will beat them. Leverkusen have been suspect in the EL. Arsenal's team is better but Leverkusen's accomplishment would be better.

    • @ikhlashasib8256
      @ikhlashasib8256 19 днів тому

      Finally a comment with sense

    • @Tresi-lm7of
      @Tresi-lm7of 19 днів тому

      Arsenal better? I bet my whole monthly paycheck that leverkusen can beat Arsenal. Arsenal couldn't handle Bayern, but Leverkusen destroyed Bayern.

    • @ikhlashasib8256
      @ikhlashasib8256 19 днів тому

      @@Tresi-lm7of again you clown, no one is talking about this seasons arsenal 🤡

    • @ikhlashasib8256
      @ikhlashasib8256 19 днів тому

      @@Tresi-lm7of again you 1diot, no one is talking about this seasons arsenal 🤡

    • @peteraguilera3819
      @peteraguilera3819 18 днів тому

      Huh? That's a bold claim as a bayern munich fan. Got any evidence, cause u basically just indirectly insulted my team by saying europa league teams should've are beat bayer leverkusen, as well as insulting Dortmund, because we lost to leverkusen in the league and u just implied that Europa teams should've beat leverkusen making bayern by default a worse team than europa league teams. Let tell u this straight, none of the teams in your league are beating leverkusen If bayern a top 4 team in Europe couldn't do u guys have no shot, Dortmund couldn't do it and they're in the UCL finals. U got some serious nerve implying that leverkusen is cheating cause their better than 98% of teams in your league if not 100%, only 2 teams have a chance of beating them and even then it's not a garuntee, Real madrid and Manchester City thats it.

  • @robpayne2918
    @robpayne2918 19 днів тому +12

    Def Leverkusen. Arsenal had like 12 draws and flopped in the cups

    • @KLHK1981
      @KLHK1981 18 днів тому +1

      Next season leverkusen will fumble like mad 😂😂😂. Once all their stars left😂😂😂

    • @Kurt-mk7kc
      @Kurt-mk7kc 18 днів тому

      @@KLHK1981😂there stars will stay like there manager xabi Alonso Florian wirtz already confirmed he will stay probably one player will go maybe?(frimpong ) that’s it 😂😂

    • @Kone347
      @Kone347 15 днів тому +1

      Europa League is weak compared to Champions League where Arsenal Invincibles played against teams like Prime, Milan Prime, Real Madrid, Prime, Juventus etc

    • @robpayne2918
      @robpayne2918 15 днів тому

      @@Kone347 good point

  • @dman9152
    @dman9152 16 днів тому

    Arsenal drew 12 games, couldn't beat Portsmouth and only got 90pts, Also needed a Robert Pires dive against Portsmouth for a penalty.
    Bayer are undefeated in every competition and have 90pts with 4 less games.

  • @rosemerimaarlo3656
    @rosemerimaarlo3656 19 днів тому

    Even as an arsenal fan i would say if leverkeusen stay unbeaten in europe and league, its a better achievement than invincibles who were eliminated in europe.

  • @yashtiwari117
    @yashtiwari117 19 днів тому +4

    Arsenal invincibles came at the time 88-89 points were considered huge. Definitely better and sets the benchmark, don’t even compare the German league to it.

    • @v1ce17
      @v1ce17 19 днів тому +2

      prem than was Not nearly as good as It Is now Just donte Comper Teams from two different eras

    • @Tresi-lm7of
      @Tresi-lm7of 19 днів тому +3

      Bundesliga is better than PL this year. Just look at international events. Leverkusen record will be remembered for centuries.

  • @briankin1827
    @briankin1827 19 днів тому +14

    Not even close,one is close on winning treble,unbeaten,it will never happen again,if Leverkusen is to achieve it.

    • @ikhlashasib8256
      @ikhlashasib8256 19 днів тому +1

      you forgot one played ucl and the other europa

    • @Fschalke1
      @Fschalke1 19 днів тому +3

      @@ikhlashasib8256 they also lost in the cup, leverkusen didn't

    • @ikhlashasib8256
      @ikhlashasib8256 19 днів тому +2

      @@Fschalke1 who cares? Btw fa cup >>>> pokal, that shouldn't even be a conversation lol

    • @tb2571
      @tb2571 19 днів тому

      Arsenals Team was better individually...but AS a Team Leverkusen IS better...Most of the Players are at the beginning of great carreers...frimpong Wirtz tapsoba koussouno stanisic palacios adli boniface ...WE cant even rate them because they are very young...even their older Players like andrich xhaka Tah schick could still become worldclass cause they are between age 25-30...except hradecky xhaka and Hofmann all are under the age of 30

    • @ikhlashasib8256
      @ikhlashasib8256 19 днів тому

      @@tb2571 corny argument, thats like saying madrid is better individually while lets say 🤔stuttgart as a team is better lol.

  • @DerMarcoee
    @DerMarcoee 19 днів тому +12

    Leverkusens run is much more impressive.

    • @omardevonlittle3817
      @omardevonlittle3817 19 днів тому

      Nonsense

    • @BadGaming367
      @BadGaming367 19 днів тому

      ​@@omardevonlittle3817
      When arsenal won the invincible season 03/04 (EPL ONLY) only 1 English team got to the UCL Semi finals and that was Chelsea (United went out in the RO16). This season 2 German teams made it to the semi finals of the UCL and one made it to the final. BOTH COULDN'T BEAT LEVERKUSEN.
      Again in the Europa 03/04, only one team made it to the semi final, Newcastle, they got knocked out by Marseille. Liverpool went out way earlier in the competition to Marseille as well.
      Arsenal had a great season in the EPL ONLY. Showing the lack of quality in the English division on how bad they performed in Europen competition.
      Leverkusen has done absolutely amazing in ALL COMPETITIONS they've competed in. Including smashing UCL Semi finalists / Bundesliga farmers Bayern Munich & not losing to UCL finalists Dortmund. Having a better win/draw record than Arsenal when you include all competitions aswell. Not limiting it to just league. It shows Leverkusen has done way better.
      Leverkusens invincible season is alot better than Arsenals.

    • @KenanZlatic-mt6wd
      @KenanZlatic-mt6wd 18 днів тому

      ​@@omardevonlittle3817
      In all 3 its way impressive then arsenal

  • @KLHK1981
    @KLHK1981 18 днів тому

    different league levels

  • @DennyCraneReloaded
    @DennyCraneReloaded 19 днів тому

    being unbeaten in all 3 comps is way harder than arsenals. It will never ever happen again.

  • @habaalshem9266
    @habaalshem9266 16 днів тому +1

    Arsenal 03/04?! What a joke😂. Did nothing in Europe, got 12 draws in EPL (while scoring hardly 2 goals per game), was knocked out early in the League cup, so how can it be compared to Leverkusen😳? From all the invincible runs- Ajax in 94/95, Milan in 91/92, Steaua from 86'-89' and current Leverkusen- Arsenal 03/04 is by far the least impressive of them all. While those 3 invincibles have their all-time legendary status all over the world-Arsenal invincible is considered legendary ***just*** by British fans, specially among Arsenal fans. For the nuetral fans around the world-this Arsenal is just ordinary.

  • @brucenyazika2919
    @brucenyazika2919 19 днів тому +1

    Why is every1 limiting arsenal record to just a season ?
    Did ey not go 49 games u defeated in the league? A full 38 games plus another 11 the following season.
    Yes Leverkusen is gonna be awesome too

    • @BadGaming367
      @BadGaming367 19 днів тому +2

      Cause it's comparing seasons, also arsenal got slapped around outside of the EPL

  • @zaidahmed9527
    @zaidahmed9527 16 днів тому

    It's Leverkusen.... Arsenal didn't even touch any other trophy and get near it

  • @TerribleEnglish
    @TerribleEnglish 19 днів тому

    How stupid. Arsenal's 'invincibles' was only a stat because it was depending on the composition. Leverkusen have an actual unbeaten run.

  • @Nzi392
    @Nzi392 19 днів тому +2

    Bayern Nevalosing is way better if they win their final league game👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

    • @gerhardma4687
      @gerhardma4687 19 днів тому

      It's not BayerN .... it's Bayer! A small but important difference. Bayern is a state in Germany and Bayer is the name of the world famous Chemical company. Bayer Leverkusen is the sports club of it.

  • @laxrlynch1206
    @laxrlynch1206 17 днів тому

    Leverkusen is currently unbeaten in all competitions. Arsenal was only unbeaten in the prem. There’s a world of difference between the two.

  • @sudiptagolui8794
    @sudiptagolui8794 19 днів тому

    2003 / 2004 arsenal favorite to win epl along side man u
    But Leverkusen last season one Time bottom of the table
    So Leverkusen is better

  • @Pobaika
    @Pobaika 19 днів тому

    Leverkusen, these man only got 6 draws fan…. Do uno how mad that is

  • @p1critter409
    @p1critter409 19 днів тому

    Garnacho will be in the arguement for best premier league signing EVER! He was signed for $130,000 ONLY!

  • @aclawani
    @aclawani 19 днів тому +1

    Leverkusen would have lost a game if they were in the CL like Arsenal were in 03/04!

    • @BadGaming367
      @BadGaming367 19 днів тому +2

      Lies 😂, you're just mad. They smashed UCL Semi finalists Bayern Munich, and drew with UCL finalists Dortmund. You're only saying so because they weren't playing there and using it as an excuse to put Leverkusen down.

    • @Sascha_Germany
      @Sascha_Germany 19 днів тому

      BS

    • @gerhardma4687
      @gerhardma4687 19 днів тому

      blah blah blah.... and the earth is a disc and the PL got a Team in the finals LOL

    • @howardlam6181
      @howardlam6181 19 днів тому

      @@BadGaming367 A different story if they faced Man City or Real Madrid.

    • @BadGaming367
      @BadGaming367 19 днів тому

      @@howardlam6181 not really, their goals conceded is brilliant and they're a strong team. Just cause they've never managed to do what they're doing right now doesn't mean they're not good enough to go against the top.

  • @elijahleye
    @elijahleye 19 днів тому +2

    They nt yet invincible

  • @26DeislerFCB
    @26DeislerFCB 18 днів тому

    of course leverkusen, also EPL was weak as f back in the day, only 2 good teams

  • @christianwag3015
    @christianwag3015 19 днів тому

    Leverkusen should be new Guiness World record "Invincibles", move over bottler arsenal come Sunday 😉👌🏼

  • @Sascha_Germany
    @Sascha_Germany 19 днів тому

    Lev clear

  • @realmadrid5079
    @realmadrid5079 19 днів тому +1

    Ill take leverkussen over arsenal anytime That arsenal team pissed their pants in europe against chelsea 🤣🤣🤣

  • @jaiparadez
    @jaiparadez 19 днів тому +4

    Also, then or now, Arsenal was and is a waaaayyy bigger club!
    Leverkusen's streak is simply more impressive. And I say that as a Gooner. Shoutout to Xhaka!

  • @rudranshparab2007
    @rudranshparab2007 19 днів тому

    Arsnel have stars like henry viera bayer don't have

    • @gerhardma4687
      @gerhardma4687 19 днів тому

      They don't need stars! The team works perfect without overpaid stars.

  • @YeTism
    @YeTism 19 днів тому

    12 draws. Frauds

  • @GD-Yurawalu4951
    @GD-Yurawalu4951 18 днів тому

    They're doing it in a terrible league whilst playing in the Mickey Mouse europa league.

  • @migssantino2101
    @migssantino2101 19 днів тому +1

    There has to be an asterisk to Leverkusens run because theyre playing in the europa league. Had they played in champions, they would have lost long time ago. Great achievement, but an asterisk.

    • @paulpivaral4832
      @paulpivaral4832 19 днів тому

      smh no asterisk..stop reaching

    • @migssantino2101
      @migssantino2101 19 днів тому

      @@paulpivaral4832 reaching for what? The truth.

    • @Tommy-pn3rh
      @Tommy-pn3rh 19 днів тому

      And how do you know that? Mere speculations.

    • @gerhardma4687
      @gerhardma4687 19 днів тому +1

      If it weren't for the little word if, .... blah blah blah.... if it weren't for the little word if, you would also have realistic assessments. This way you just babble stupid stuff

    • @rw1592
      @rw1592 18 днів тому +1

      Would they, really? They beat two out of the four CL semi finalists in the German Championship. Bayern who kicked out Arsenal from the CL they even took to school in their last face to face. Leverkusen currently is the best team playing the best football. City and Real can beat them on a good day, but it could well be the other way around.

  • @Delboy0
    @Delboy0 19 днів тому +8

    Is this a joke? Arsenal went unbeaten against Abrahamovic Chelsea, Rafa Benitez Liverpool who won the Champions League and peak Ferguson Man Utd, Leverkusen who had no competition because Bayern had their worst year in 15 years. Please tell me the Leverkusen players as good as Henry, Vieira, Bergkamp or Pires?

    • @jeffreyzepeda7884
      @jeffreyzepeda7884 19 днів тому +15

      That's the point? They don't have a super team. And still somehow, they're undefeated. They're on the verge of potentially winning 3 titles in one season.
      It's definitely much harder for them than it was for that Arsenal team.

    • @ikhlashasib8256
      @ikhlashasib8256 19 днів тому +2

      @@jeffreyzepeda7884 That wasn't the point lol, the point is that they play against the worst ever bayern team in a long while, dortmund too

    • @ikhlashasib8256
      @ikhlashasib8256 19 днів тому +2

      @@P.K... must be very painful that england has more european trophies than the bundesliga.

    • @Kevinnn111
      @Kevinnn111 19 днів тому +9

      @@jeffreyzepeda7884not worth arguing with prem fanboys. You could have non English team with a front three of the father, son, and the Holy Spirit, and your average prem fanboy would still say they’d struggle against burnley

    • @Ash-gf1fw
      @Ash-gf1fw 19 днів тому

      @@ikhlashasib8256 dortmund - ucl finalist

  • @DiabloDon
    @DiabloDon 19 днів тому +1

    Football has evolved. In all areas.
    Strategy, Tactic, Speed, Heatlh, Mentality....
    This Leverkusen would have destroyed many teams in the past.
    Except Barca 2009 / 2014 and
    Bayern 2013 / 2020
    It would be a close call.