Bracing, Weight Shifts, and Balance Tilt: Two Models
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- 0:08 Introduction
0:46 Prerequisite 1: Get in Athletic Stance
1:10 Prerequisite 2: Find Balanced Tilt
1:27 Shift closed (from behind), not open (from in front)
2:13 Model 1: lead with the center of mass, redirect forces
4:07 Model 2: stop the center of mass, transmit forces targetward
6:04 Closing thoughts & keeping an open mind
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Why would there be multiple ways to throw?
I still believe there is a pool of common ideas form should entail. Mostly I am beginning to acknowledging a continuum of styles people talk (and often argue) about.
Some people focus on leading with the theoretical center of mass, some only focus on the center of physical body.
Some focus on swinging out from the center, some focus on pulling across horizontally.
Some focus on the elbow lagging the shoulder, some focus on the elbow "catapulting" and leading the shoulder a bit in the sequence.
Rather than just believe any one exact sequence of posture is right for everyone, I keep an open mind and just little differences in drill moves to try and isolate what is different.
In golf, baseball, tennis, javelin etc. people entertain a set of widely agreed upon principles, with some individual differences and "unexpected" findings from the data. Disc golf is only at the beginning stage of data collection, so it's going to be interesting times indeed.
@@AceItDiscGolf The answer is there is one correct way to throw. If we don’t know what that is yet then that’s fine but the longer it takes to figure out it’s going to lead to more injuries and less people in the sport.
It’s sad to see popular channels like OT claim there are 3 different braces. That isn’t possible and that claim is not only negligent but slows the progress of the sport.
@@CherryB0mb333 would you agree that Kuoksa and Gurthie use the "same" form, or are fundamentally on a continuum, or are two fundamentally different forms? Or would you say that there is insufficient knowledge to answer those questions?
@@AceItDiscGolf I haven’t seen kuoksa throw but I have heard about some drama between him and spin doctor
@@CherryB0mb333 Yeah I'll avoid saying too much publicly but it's another example of the very hot debates about form leaking out. I think it will continue to get hotter before it gets cooler. I spend a lot of my time talking to everyone "behind the scenes" including with people who actually collect data. I'm sure I'll say things I regret later but I am always attempting to learn. I try to be careful not to be too conclusive too early (I am a scientist by day trade). I have one model in my head, but I am sure parts of it are incomplete or wrong, at least at some level of approximation. So I think that's why you see me tend to put questions in the subtext sometimes - I want people to think about them a little, and I never assume I have the "best" answer, and try to avoid overgeneralizing - now more than ever. If there really is "one true form" I am happy to know about it (I tend to believe there is, at least at some level of description, for generating safe and high power, but we don't really know how to agree about that yet). Right now everyone is just looking at different parts of the elephant. Some of it is going to turn out to be wrong. Some of it is probably "known" and will stand the test of time. Some of it is going to be strange and slightly confusing at first like some of Merela's or Taylor's data, etc.
Still sincerely interested in your answers to my questions - they're not rhetorical. I appreciate these discussions no matter where they come from my friend.
Pretty cool to see all the commonalities between things that can sometimes look different to the naked eye. I hope you make more videos like this!
It's the big man! Thanks for dropping in. If you like it, I like it. I'll keep playing with more "compare and contrast" concepts since they're keeping me motivated recently.
@@AceItDiscGolf heck yeah!
I legitimately said out loud during my round yesterday where is ace it, you were always my favorite coach as your brain seems to think the same as mine, very mechanical and methodical. Glad you are back!
Haha thanks man. Had a 2nd kid and was taking a little time to work on my slightly busted body since I'm inching closer to 40 and trying to turn my body into a thrower is not always easy. Glad to be back and to hear the kind words - they make me hopeful the time is worth it.
@@AceItDiscGolf awesome to hear, grats on growing the family! Looking forward to seeing more videos, I've tried the pendulum alot as a bigger guy but haven't really figured out the timing but am always stoked to see different perspectives!
@@timeandspacevintage3380 yeah it's not for everyone. Definitely requires more of a balancing act than I first appreciated. If people just can't make progress in any one way, try another!
I keep wearing out the bottom of the sole of my lead foot's shoe, under the heel. Literally will get shoes with big thick tread and in a month(I play a round every day) they will be flat, just underneath my lead heel. It takes about 3 months to wear completely through the bottom, so I'm going through shoes like crazy. Please help
Hehe. Well, I am not in the shoes business, but my heel wear went down after I started to balance better, so it changed the foot pressures and took torque off the sole of the shoe (and my knee and hip). Always be improving balance!
@@AceItDiscGolf what should I do? It happens regardless of the brand or the material. When you come into your plant leg, are you stomping hard into the heel? I think this is what causes it, but I'm thinking maybe I'm somehow losing the energy into the heel, destroying it over time.
Is it just me or does AB switch back and forth between these two methods depending on the shot?
Good Q IMHO. I'm not entirely sure yet. AB does a few things that are a little unusual and surprising, so I'm trying to learn more about what he is doing. I'm talking about "two styles" here where the difference is probably more like a continuum. E.g., when I throw full power standstills I can either use Model 1 or Model 2, which is when I started to understand it better in my body. Model 1 recruits a smooth accelerating kinetic chain. Model 2 is still pretty smooth, but gets way more "burst" firing out of the backswing, and way more "catapulting" of the elbow forward to lead the shot. I think Model 2 is part of what Clint Easterly figured out at least partly on his own - it requires probably more athleticism of a certain kind (just a guess). I would never generalize just from myself, but just as an anecdote I can't really do it in X-step myself (or if I do it gets me a little more speed, but is also a little harder on my body). I think/guess there's stuff between Model 1 and 2 that probably work depending on the goals.
Do you still teach private lessons? I've had some confusion about certain aspects of the swing for a while, and I feel like you have the knowledge to clear it up
yep, aceitdiscgolf at gmail for inquiries. Sometimes live is the only way to go.
Good stuff, you have reviewed my form for the longest time. Witch category would you putt me?
P.S if i was a little bit smarter i could probably figure this out myself 😅
I think it's a little less about smarts for me and more about lots of little motion experiments/openness to trying things and seeing their effects.
You might end up between type 1 and 2. If I'm saying anything useful at all in this video, it's just that people are on a continuum for how much their form emphasizes more body mass or more athletic speed/explosiveness or both.
I think that second bracing form needs a deeper dive, I’m not quite grasping the concept whereas #1 makes sense
Totally understand and it is an interesting problem space for me now. Some of these things turn out to be just sort of variations on a theme with different implications. Do you have any specific questions or things that seemed most unclear? That will help me frame a follow up!