A Quick Rant About: Waterloo (1970) And Its Uniforms
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2020
- Corrections:
- Please note that there was technically another phase of French uniforms in 1806 when they tried to re-introduce white uniforms. I did not include this though since they were cancelled the following year and the ones that were issued probably didn't last too long. Obviously, there were uniforms tailored to suit particular campaigns (the Peninsular for example) but I have not included these since they don't relate to Waterloo.
Sources:
- Osprey (particularly their books on the French and Allied Armies during the campaign)
- J. Weller, 'Wellington at Waterloo', 2nd edition, Greenhill Books, London (1992)
- P.J. Haythornthwaite, 'British Infantry of the Napoleonic Wars', Arms and Armour Press, London (1987)
(There are a few other books, which I will list in the proper review once I have got it all sorted)
Online Sources
- The Napolun Series of Articles:
www.napolun.com/mirror/web2.ai... (this one should have the quote about the state of the troops that attacked the Allied Centre)
- The Waterloo Association:
www.waterlooassociation.org.uk/
- Coughlin and Upton (picture of the shako plumes)
coghlinandupton.com/index.php?...
- The 95th Rifles Re-Enactment group website:
www.95th-rifles.co.uk/equipmen... (mention is made at the bottom of the new 'bang up' shakos being introduced in 1813 for the Rifles)
I cannot seem to the find the extensive forum page where they went over their evidence, if I find it again, I will be sure to link it.
- 'Les Uniformes pendant la campagne des Cent Jours - Belgique 1815' Website:
centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/
- Perry Miniatures
www.perry-miniatures.com/
- Victrix Miniatures
www.victrixlimited.com/
- Warlord Games
store.warlordgames.com/collec...
- Various other sources from across the web
(I seem to have lost a few links in between editing, including the ones for the pictures of the Hussars. I will try and add them to the sources of the Main Review if I find them)
Clips and Audio
- "Here's a Health Unto His Majesty"
- "Waterloo" (1970)
- "War and Peace" (1967)
All pictures, footage and audio used belongs to their respective copyright holders. If I have missed anything then please comment below and I will amend accordingly
At the end of the day we won't see a war film as real as this again,forget all the imperfections, it's master class!
It's biased propaganda, that's what it is
@@henkburg826 why do you have to be this way...
how is it biased propaganda
@@henkburg826you comments are biased
@@henkburg826 Because Napoleon lost? How tf is it Biased propaganda
Since it was a Soviet collaboration they naturally had to use the 'Death's Head' and play sinister music with the Prussians. Still, the sheer scope of outfitting Red Army soldiers with period uniforms and linear tactics is mind boggling and it's incredibly impressive to look at on screen. No one in their right mind today would do such a thing and rely on crappy CGI-which honestly I feel has made the movie industry really lazy.
Bondarchuk’s hands were tired; you can’t have the Prussian Army without black uniforms and the Death’s Head 🤩
Given the scale and no CGI I think they did an amazing job, making the film, It never occurred to me that they probably used a lot of the uniforms from War and Peace but it makes sense. I enjoyed the video!
Don’t be too critical here. This was a great film and no other will ever capture the napoleonic age as well as this one. Also there may be some inaccuracies but overall the uniforms are badass nonetheless
I think the author is simply taking this film as an opportunity to teach about Napoleonic era uniforms.
Still my 2nd favorite film of all time. We will never ever again get such a great film with so much love and care put into it
"Think of England! Think of Eng-" *gets shot by angry Soviet conscript in a weird old-fashioned uniform he doesn't wanna be in and who doesn't wanna be there* "sorry comrade, didn't see you there"
That's such a sad scene
Another inaccuracy, Hay was killed the day before on the rtreat from Quatre Bras
This was pretty close for a movie in the 1970s when the only people really studying uniform history was the Germans. 20-30,000 Soviet troops needed French and British uniforms as did the 1,500 cavalry. That they did as well as they did, while politely ignoring the Dutch and Belgians, Brunswickers, and the Nassau contingent along with the British rifle regiments (1 and 2 KGL Light and 1/ and 2/95th) is amazing, and that they didn't follow that Hollywood pattern of everything descending into a mass, incoherent melee was incredible.
I saw “Waterloo” in the title and got really excited thinking this was a part 2 to your fantastic review
But then I reread the title and realized what it was.
“My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined”
Just kidding, I just wanted an excuse to post that meme, keep up the great work
No worries! I know, I do feel bad for not hurrying up and finishing the whole review, but hey, at least you get a ten minute sneak preview of sorts!
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Did Part 2 ever get posted? I hope I didn't miss it in the search. Only recently discovered your channel.
@@veergauba Read the pinned comment on Part 1.
An interesting note on Prussian Blue. Crayola crayons used to have a color called Prussian Blue, but it got to the point that no one knew what a Prussian was, so they changed the name to Midnight Blue.
Laura Hubbard The Prussian language was extinct in the 19th century.
@@jurapilis Nothing to do with language. The image of militaristic Prussians was pretty much a stereotype until no one knew what a Prussian was.
Laura Hubbard My point is that the Prussians were a peaceful Baltic tribe eliminated by the Germanic Teutonic Knights. Another shameless genocide.
@@terriblecontent4408 - I would guess that Crayola, which operates mostly in North America, figured that the term “Prussian” meant nothing to most Americans. It still has very strong connotations in Europe, as Prussia was the chief state responsible for the rise and eventual unification of Germany. Phrases like Prussian discipline are still widely understood in Europe.
@@jurapilis - Quite how peaceful the Old Prussians were is debatable. Plenty of them survived the conquest in the 13th century, and the language was still being spoken in the 16the century I believe.
I'm really looking forward to the full review. This small taste of it is excellent so far.
"Over The Hills And Far Away..."
...oh wait ARRGH copyright strike
I have a booked produced from the research that went into the film and it is an excellent reference source. Ultimately this is one of the best period depiction of the battle up to its release.
Do you know what song the Scottish soldiers were singing on the march to Waterloo?
This video is a real life saver for someone that likes to draw napoleonic era uniforms!
Most definitely subscribing, cant wait to watch more of your videos ❤
I've been looking for source material to read thank you so much for introducing me to such fine and detailed material in the description and a great video that isn't too harsh on the movie.
comment for the algorithm!
Even though I'm impatiently waiting for your Waterloo Part 2 video; this rant video is FANTASTIC! You truly know your Napoleonic uniforms, and the correct way the film should have shown them. We also see some incorrect shabraques on some of the cavalry.
Except shako is a modern term back in the day they would of used the term cap and the British troops had come from depots and garrisons so would be refitted
7:35 Excellent review. Regarding "War and Peace", with the battle sequence for Austerlitz (1805) have you ever noticed that the French Carabiniers are shown wearing their famous short white tunics with brass/copper armor and red helmet crests, even though the Carabiniers didn’t adapt that uniform until 1810! In 1805 the Carabiniers were wearing long dark blue tunics with scarlet facing and tall bearskins, and would have looked similar to the Horse Grenadiers of the French Imperial Guard.
Yeah, you are quite right. That lends further credibility to the idea that they re-used a lot of stuff from 'War and Peace', including the Carabiniers stuff.
The Duke of Brunswick's corps had a hussar regiment at Waterloo, they wore a death' head and black uniform but did not charge
Bear in mind when shooting war movies it’s always common practice to use detailed uniforms up close and less so in the distance also bear in mind this is entertainment and not a history lesson , as it stands this is still a good interpretation for a movie
The over abundance of red coats is really bad because it is a very important note that when the middle gaurd approached the allied lines before they hit maitland and his gaurds they were faced by the brunswickers. And there was no scene of the french pushing back picton's lines because they did historically nor was their the attack of the curasiers(sorry if i Misspled it)
charging into ompteda's soldiers.
Thank you for the heart :)
No problem. It is a shame like you said the film missed out quite a few parts of the battle, would love to one day see a proper TV Drama or something covering the battle and the numerous engagements during the campaign.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Ya even if they take 4 or 5 hours we will still enjoy them infact we will love to see more of the action.
The most shocking is the view of so many flags or "eagles" ...as if each company got its own !
and don't forget that cavalry standards are smaller for riding use .....
Here I am paying attention to the acting, and all those horses. Haha.
You are my favorite historical movie reviewer.
I do watch The Cynical Historian as well. But he's so cynical. Does he ever laugh?
I would love to see a special of he and you doing a combined thing about something.
Maybe Napoleon's Egyptian Campaign. To me that's the most fascinating one. It mostly gets overlooked on topics concerning Napoleon. Either overlooked or just merely touched upon briefly.
We all hang on bated breath for Waterloo Part 2.
I once saw a French/Egyptian film about that campaign but I can't remember what it was called or who was in it.
Many movies make soldiers look completely identical. I suppose cost is an issue here. I think ""Gettysburg"was the first war film I saw which showed soldiers in a ragged state during an advance. At any rate, excellent detail and analysis. Cheers!
I cannot wait for you review of Tora! Tora! Tora!
Wow! Over 8 hours. That's mental.
Best explanation why history movies never depict accurate history is "sweet liberty", a must watch! 😂
Btw, quick note, because of the Ordnance of 1814 under the restored monarchy, the plume for the grenadiers and voltiguers was actually re-added, but this was a per-regiment basis. Also, the plumes were removed at the time, but it again was per-regiment.
Hey at least all those mismatched shakos and tunics are REAL and on real soldiers, IN the right kinds of numbers, no cgi or trickery (albeit rather ironically mostly Russian ones haha 🙂)
It does feel like that if you want to make a film with a large battle scene, you have to conscript the Russians to do it!
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier lol yep, or get re-enactors like we've said before 🙂 for some reason that rarely seems to occur to them though
@@1IbramGaunt Funnily enough, documentaries do all the time. I won't say what documentary but some years ago a few of us were hired to shoot some stuff for a documentary. It was quite funny, because we had to film it in a warehouse in London in the middle of January (it was snowing outside!), but the campaign we were meant to be showing was during the height of summer! We were there, having to pretend to pass out from heatstroke whilst shivering because of the temperature!
Still, it probably saved the company money since we came with all of our kit, which altogether costs something like £1000 and we were paid about £100 I think for that days work, so it would have cost them far more if they made the kit themselves. Why they don't just hire re-enactors more like you say is beyond me! With some of these companies, I think it is because they hate authenticity so much and want to deliberately make it inaccurate!
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier well you could probably have gotten a few portable heater-fans in if they really wanted the sweating to be more authentic haha, after all it probably wouldn't take much under all that heavy wool 😜 just be glad you didn't have to go out to India to do those frankly godawful too-many-years-later, even-cheaper-budget Sharpe sequel episodes, 'Sharpe's Challenge' and 'Sharpe's Peril' (although the authenticity of those would certainly have been helped by having a few more actually British people involved of ANY sort let alone experienced re-enactors)
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier and yeah I remember full well the cost of well-made authentic re-enactment gear from my Sealed Knot days, isn't a cheap hobby at the best of times and I was going through a tough financial patch at the time so had to sell off my gear and stop sadly (most of mine like the armour, helmet, napsack, baldrick and sword I'd bought from the others in the regiment bit-by-bit second-hand you see, although stuff like the shirt, coat, shoes, hose and breeches were brand-new and fitted very nicely, so was sad to see them go but needs must). Often thought about trying to get back into it again, maybe try out a different historical period this time, just don't often have the time or money as before though
Good points. However, the ‘big picture’ view is that this film inspired thousands of young people to invest in a knowledge of the history of that period (including myself). So, great movie, introduction to military history of that period, win-win.
I just remember my first time watching this film and seeing the Death's Head; I was like LOL WUT?
I think the regiment attacking Hogoumont is supposed to be the 84th Line Infantry Regiment. Also a cool thing to say the 84th had the word "Un Contre Dix" on their standard meaning "One Against Ten"
thankyou so much. This video was very informative for someone who loves drawing napoleonic uniforms. My channel actually has a few videos on this period of drawing.
It's funny how in the movie all the french army lancers are polish lancers
Richard Neville! Stop teasing me for part 2!
As soon as the word "nit-picky" left your mouth I thought 'That's why I'm here.'
in a episode of mail call with r lee ermey about the war of 1812 he mentioned soldiers using their shakos almost like a mono pod, or how modern soldiers will use their packs as rifle rests. is there any validity to that?
It has been noted that the uniforms in 1815 were a mix of everything that was available, which might excuse the presense of a few plumes with the grenadiers, not everyone obviously but some are certainly make sense
I know only a little about Napoleonic era uniforms (ie. nothing at all), so this is quite interesting to me. It seems I have been mispronouncing 'shako' for years.
They weren’t called shakes then the word didn’t exist they were called caps ,
Simon Lewis has a 600 page book about the movie - 'Waterloo - Making an Epic'
11:25 Not to mention that the British Royal Horse Guards wore dark blue tunics.
D.S. Archer The 1st Life Guards Would have worn Red.
What is known as The Blues And Royals today would have worn Blue.
Just so you know, during the movie the Dutch and Brunswickers are actually shown during the ball (officers mind you), but they are shown.
Dear Laughing Cavalier, I hope part II will be this month, old bean, or will it be March? Regardless of that I am sure that it will be worth waiting.
Should be either end of the month or first half of next depending how things go.
EDIT 27/06/2020: Some time within the next few months I swear!
There has been some recent conclusive evidence that the at Waterloo all British Guard Battalions wore grey trousers like the line regiments. John Franklin with Project Hougoumont
Has primary documentation, the Quartermaster records, the Holland Order Books and the Quartermaster's own journal, ends the controversy.
"Each and every entry in the said Holland Order Books makes reference to grey pantaloons, even instructing the officers to assimilate with the men (so as not to be identified easily by the enemy as an officer and shot), by wearing grey pantaloons. It is clear that ALL four battalions of Foot Guards wore grey pantaloons during the campaign. Now what is interesting is what followed. The Allies were victorious and occupied Paris on the 7th July, with most of the British troops moving into the Bois de Bolougne. On the 30th July the two battalions were enhanced by a considerable draft of men from England (replacing all those who had been killed and wounded at Waterloo), and new clothing was issued to the troops from this date. Unsurprisingly, the two flank companies were the first to receive the new items, which included "white summer trousers". Denis Dighton would no doubt have seen the troops in Paris after this time, and like most contemporary artists, he merely painted what he saw. The 2nd Battalion 3rd Foot Guards did not form part of the army of occupation (although the Coldstream did), and they returned to England at the end of December 1815."
Thanks for this, I am probably going to re-record some parts so, if true, I will update when I do the full Part 2 review.
I read somewhere that the scene with the 5th Hussars was actually stolen from the beginning of an extended Battle of Ligny segment of the film.
the guard are wearing uniforms that are more appropriate for the period upto 1807 when they we’re more likely to be dressed in full gear.
Around the 10:40 section you explain about the transition from reversed facings to red tunics, regminetal facigs and lace for musicians. The slide says the Foot Guards specificaly, yet in the audio you generalise the army as a whole. Was this transition limited to Foot Guards only, or is there evidence for other regiments doing it too?
I understand the source is an Osprey, do you remember which one, and if so the source they possible cited at the back of the book?
No, the whole line transitioned over to non reversed facings as far as I am aware. I only used the Osprey illustration since it was the best I could find at the time and many books an illustrations don't mention the switch in uniforms for musicians since it is one of those facts that has often been overlooked (like the 95th in Belgics). Not sure which Osprey book, my guess would be one of their ones on the Waterloo campaign (they did several). I have the eBook for Quatre Bras and it is not in there, so my guess would be whatever one covers Hougemont or the Allied Centre.
Back when I used to do re-enacting, our regiment (the 44th East Essex) dressed in the Peninsula era uniform but before the Waterloo anniversary, we transitioned over to the new uniforms and so on as best we could, which meant the musicians had to switch over their uniforms as well since that was apparently what was laid out in the regulations of the time. Since the musicians tunics cost £250-300, I doubt my group, and virtually all the other groups who did the same (pretty sure the 9th and a few other regts in Peninsula uniforms did as well), would have switched over if they were not sure that the musicians were not in reversed facings by 1815, and the NA today is pretty big on research, in fact is was through them that I first learned of the 95th switching to Belgics. Maybe some men kept their old uniforms till they wore out, but equipment did not have a very long lifespan back than and would often wear out after only a year, which is one reason why the Stovepipe was dropped for the Belgic since the new shako was meant to last longer.
Here are some pictures from the 44th Facebook page: scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/33176540_10156473101327392_351718479641968640_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_ohc=G2DWzsPVt68AX9y_2hX&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=616c33b4ca06003b8cbcf95ed0625a85&oe=5EB6C119
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I quit re-enacting some years ago, so I don't know if I still have the paperwork where they talked about the change in uniforms (that would have been in 2012 and I think I left around 2013, one reason why I don't have everything), might have a few contacts I could try and get in touch with who might know which regulation deals with musicians coats.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I would just be interested in the period sources Osprey used. I will endeavour to find a copy online or once this quarantines over. A friend of mine in the 33rd reenactment group explained that during his research for the group, they discovered only the buglers changed, and that the drummers and fifers remained in their white reversed coats until the 1830s. Apparently this is not only limited to the 33rd but across the board. The idea that remigments at Waterloo had transitioned to red tunics he believes is a reenactorism, set in during the 80s and since become taken as the truth, much the same as you say with the shakos of the 95th, and the idea of stovepipes at waterloo all starting with a reenactor turned author who made the claim.
Its a fascinating discussion, that challenges both sides of the spectrum when it comes to perceptions of uniform and the army during the campaign.
The funny thing is that regardless of whether Waterloo 1970 was unintentionall accurate or not on the interesting point of musicians, I doubt they really debated or researched into the first hand acounts, quartermaster records and surviving tunics of each regiment while making the film, perhaps unfortunatley but understandably.
@Tom with a Thompson With the Belgic Shako , I believe it was actually started by a historian in the 60's who wrote in a book that he believed that the Light Infantry wore Stovepipes, but he was a bit more cautious. However, it got taken as fact for many years. The 95th have a few articles where they talk about it (think it is linked in the description, if not will be in the proper review when it is done).
I am not sure with the 80's thing, since I am pretty certain the NA did not really get going till the 90's. The Miniatures Page has these threads on the drummers uniforms:
theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=35957
theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=301104
It could well be then that some Colonels ignored the orders and kept their drummers in old uniforms, but it would have varied.
2:50 Whats your source for the French army headgear, especially the part about bicornes being a pretty 1807/9 thing?
Read the description, all sources are there. If not, this is a good starting place: napoleonistyka.atspace.com/French_infantry.html#_uniforms
Can you provide any reference for the 95th wearing the 1812 pattern shako?
If you look in the description, there are some links in there talking about it. Might not have all of them, they will be there when I do the full Part 2 of the Waterloo review (at some point this year hopefully). If the links don't work, the the 95th Rifles Re-enactment group has a research forum where they have done quite a bit of work discussing the topic and looking through original sources (with mention to the soldiers wearing the new 'bang up' shako and so forth).
EDIT: Their link seems to have been taken down since I uploaded this video, although the picture showing some contemporary images of riflemen in the Belgic is still available: www.95th-rifles.co.uk/files/cache/5617a566ee1a069ab6a868e35959fece.png
I will see if it has been archived anywhere.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier very interesting, there are contemporary illustrations that show what appear to be 95th in 1812 pattern in Paris, but the thing to remember is that the KGL lights wore green and were in the 1812 pattern. Also there is not a single surviving 1812 pattern 95th shako which considering that they were only worn for a limited period you would think there would be.
@@andybrace9225 I'd say the fact they were worn for a limited time supports the opposite, hence why there are not so many (in fact, how many have survived from that time period?), not to mention there were far less light infantry battalions in the British army compared to line.
Got an archived link: web.archive.org/web/20171031155537/www.95th-rifles.co.uk/equipment/regimental-cap/
" Colonel Barnard records that in April 1813 the 95th were re-equipped, with only the 1st battalion being maintained in the old 1806 pattern caps. [xxiv] The 1st battalion could be expected to continue in these old caps as long as, but not longer than one year, so to April 1814, by which time they had arrived in England and experienced another re-issue.[xxv]"
Also some contemporary evidence: "The letter in the Rifle Brigade Chronicle is from Barnard at St. Simon, April 1, 1813, to Alexander Cameron, and says,
" I have had caps enough in store to help the appearance of the 1st Batt. as it used to be but the 2nd and 3rd sport bang ups as the soldiers of the 52nd who were the first in the Division that put them on have christened them..""
I knew it was too perfect to be perfect 😞
I'm surprised you missed the Maison du Roi!
Prussian generals did not wear bicorn hats during the battle, but blue caps. Expecially Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher, who had blue and red version. Hats were used olny occasionally. There is Gebhard von Blücher and his staff in 1813:
pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Gebhard_Leberecht_von_Bl%C3%BCcher_in_Bautzen_1813.jpg
also some of the piping on british officers seems a bit off for 1815 and slightly too fancy a bit more 1816 when george iv introduced new unforms.
I think in my sleep deprived state I mistook this scene 10:24 as some highlanders carrying AK's to waterloo rather than pipes.
The producers of the movie went to great lengths with music, I could listen to the soundtrack all day. But the only marching songs I heard were “La victorie est a nous” for the French, and “The girl I left behind” for the British. It was a shame that they didn’t include songs like Yorkscher march when the Prussians were marching, The British grenadiers or Rule Britannia when the British were marching, and I think it would be funny if they included Chanson de l’oignon for the French.
Bit late, but I can confirm that all British Army infantry drummers had shoulder wings.
the highlanders kilts do seem a bit off not quite the right length and not enough trews which some soliders did wear.
Where can I get some of these uniforms?
When I did re-enacting, most of them were made by people linked with the regiment (I think the wife of our then Major made the tunics). There are some outlets out there though that sell some stuff like shakos and tunics for certain regiments.
I might be wrong, but after much a little bit of research I found this out, is your profile picture and the picture you use when you talk as a review is Sir Charles Grey from the English civil war? Again I might be wrong..
You are wrong, it is of Richard Neville: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Neville_(soldier)
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier oh it seems I got the pictures mixed up, well thanks for that info 😃
I was wondering if you have ever seen Ridley Scott's The Duellists (1977)? I've heard that the uniforms are fairly accurate for such a low budget film. I don't know enough about Napoleonic era uniforms to comment though.
I saw it many years ago, but can't remember it too well. From what little I can remember, yes the uniforms were pretty good and accurate.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Thanks! It's nice to know that it's possible to make historical dramas that are historically accurate, at least on a visual level, without a massive budget.
Fusiliers were also holding the old guard back from Napoleon, something I hated about the film
I thought the British musicians reversing coats was always true through the Napoleonic and prior eras? Except that blue royal regiments only put the arm "chevron" lacings.
unless those are meant to be dutch or belgian units which had some french style shakos.
I’m fascinated with Bonaparte’s hat. It s very unique and distinctive, unlike Wellsely’s plain taco shell. He proudly display his badge as a republican, The tricolor.
it's called a "cocarde"
We take our tea sweet in Britain... and our tacos plain
When will part 2 be released?
Read the pinned comment on part 1 for more details but basically, I am not working on it due to me getting hit with copyright claims. It's one reason why I completely redo the videos now to have as few clips as possible.
I am also very busy with other videos I want to get done, particularly now the Napoleon movie is out.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier That’s a crime given how good your analysis of this amazing film. Would you consider still shots instead of clips?
A borderline autistic attention to detail of one of my favourite films? You sir have a subscriber.
The Highlander's (to be exact the 92nd Gordon Highlander's) the reason they were so heavily featured in this movie is cause the helped or sponsored or something of the likes
Yes, I believe in the end credits it says something like "with thanks to the Gordon Highlanders". There is a chap who is currently writing a book about the film (who I have helped a little bit) so he would be the fellow to ask.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier The book is out now; I have a copy...
one quick correction the white coated French Cavalry are actually overcoats and are correct for the Imperial Cavalry of the Grenadiers a Chevel
What are you talking about? The Grenadiers wore blue tunics and bearskins, the white coated cavalry in Waterloo are quite clearly Carabiniers with the helmets, breast and backplates.
Also, there seems to be no signs of the white uniforms of the 3rd grenadiers sadly
The 3rd Grenadiers of the Guard were virtually wiped out in Russia (something like 60 survived out of 800) and they were disbanded afterwards. The 3rd Regiment at Waterloo, despite having the name, was a new regiment raised a mere weeks before the battle and was in blue like the rest.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier i see, thank you for informing me
Didn't anyone notice the Mosin nagant at the battle of la haiye sainte in this film lol
I think I have a bit on that recorded for part 2 of the review (definitely remember mentioning the soldiers reloading a little bit too quick in some shots!)
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I can't actually find part 2
@@leojordan5119 I've not released it yet (this video is a section of it I uploaded as a preview). I have it recorded but have been focused on all my Tudor and other related videos of late. I'll try to get it released sometime this year hopefully.
The reason why they all have different coloured uniforms is because imagine a battle with 17thousand extras and you can't tell who is on the who's side .
the hussars actually look more like something out of the carlists wars and not the grande armee.
also the curissers are bit to numerous and some of them should be carabiners in the similar but gold breastplates. also the breastplates seem a bit off for 1815.
Why did European armies suddenly go from the tricorn to the shako?
Not sure. I know when the British Army introduced the Belgic Shako to replace the Stovepipe Shako, one of the hopes was that the new shako would last longer so it wouldn't need to be replaced as much so it could have been the old tricorns were wearing out faster and shakos were more durable. I think I remember seeing something about generals thinking they might be able to stop sabres from cavalrymen but this didn't really help much! Shakos also have a lot of room at the top so you can keep things in them, which helps as well.
I know the French Army in the 1790's tried to adopt the Tarleton helmet (the helmet with the caterpillar crest) but they were so hated by the troops, there were accounts of men throwing them in the Rhine!
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier thank you good sir! i visited fort laramie in the us (post civil war indian "wars") and the tour guide talked about how much the caterpillar helmet sucked so i cant say i blame the french
Any directors dream thst " hello ,i wa nt to make a movie there about Waterloo, may i borrow a few battallions of troops as extras?
The carabineers had white tunics at Waterloo. It's a common myth they wore blue
HENRY VIII CAMPAIGN PT 2
The uniforms of the imperial guard band are inaccurate, there just the revolutionary infantry uniforms
My guess would be the budget ran out or they were saving money so just re-used some old ones or something.
A lot of the Imperial Guard were quite flamboyant and often wore rouge and make up, which was common in France.
Stop nit-picking, the movie was made over 50 years ago and it still stands up! NOBODY repeat Nobody has remade anything like it since, and do not forget the vast majority of movie goers will have no idea about uniform details, just as long as it looks credible.
Still a great movie.
Nah, I will make whatever videos I like, thank you. You can fuck off if you don't like it.
Button counters...SMFH
1870
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That picture on your intro is not the Laughing Cavelair. Some historian eh. Must do better next time
I use that picture as my profile picture because I want to use it, you utter clown. There isn't a rule saying your name has to match your profile picture.
It makes me very mad Brunswick wasn't in the movie nor the Brunswick Calvary such as the 3rd Lancers.
War Er L👀
Its still light years better than the rubbish Ridley Scott put out.
7:24 from my point of view, a lot of this is forgivable!
Of you want to have more fun with the nitpicking, you might consider the historical miniatures hobby. The historical miniatures gamer/figure painter puts high value in his idea of the historical accuracy of the figures. They think as the historical miniatures are accurately painted,the game is also historically accurate! The historical miniatures are not historical, either as for the uniforms or the rest
that's not the 19 hundreds bud
eh? What on earth do you mean?
19th century and 1900s is different,sir
@@deepyamandas1192 What do you mean? Where the hell did I say 1900's in the video?!
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I am not saying to you I meant to say to the commentor because as you said 19th century in the video,many people tend to mistaken it with the 1900s.
@@deepyamandas1192 Well it notified me so UA-cam probably messed up and sent the reply to me instead (I love the UA-cam comment system!) No idea what the original commenter was on about though (could be he mistook 19th century for 1900's), but I wonder if he saw 1970 in the title and thought that I was saying the battle was in that year or something silly!
@5:02 "But I suppose the budget was rather tight with 20,000 extras and a few cut back are made sadly". You suppose!? This film was made way back in the day before everybody got spoiled with CGI....every single person you see all the way back in the farthest of the background is a "REAL" person that they had to dress, so sorry if it isn't up to your scrutiny of authenticity and they had to cut corners. Regardless..."Waterloo" is a Masterpiece of filmmaking. And by the way, I can't believe that your eye didn't catch the Mosin-Nagan rifles being used in the background ranks of close up shots.....I'm quite sure you would have totally lost control of your shit while nit-picking if you would have noticed it.
"...so sorry if it isn't up to your scrutiny of authenticity and they had to cut corners"
You are aware I am a fan of the film, right?
Hey! I didn't subscribe for this nit-picking scrutiny!!
Must admit I never spotted the Mosin-Nagants and I have one, I'll be looking out for them now @smellyfella5077
...and thank you @The_Laughing_Cavalier for ruining my viewing! Just kidding🤣
Three things you missed was the Scots Greys "charging" at the gallop, they didn't. The didn't carry their colours into battle, no British cavalry did, and they wore oilskins over their fur caps.
Missed? You are aware this isn't the full part 2 of the Waterloo review, right? Pretty much everything you said is in the script for part 2 if/when I make it someday.
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier err, it doesnt say part 1 in the heading or in your commentary. So, no.
@@clive3490 0:27 please learn to listen before commenting
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier "upcoming" the video has been up for 3 years....
@@clive3490 Yes, I pinned a comment in Part 1 of the review explaining why I had to put part 2 on hold. At the time I made this it was going to be coming out but circumstances changed.
you`re too hard on the film
And a lot are too soft on the film.
The movie was epic unlike your pronunciation's.
I really think this movie was quite shit ...
horrible camera movements ... non-existent plot ... disgusting acting by Napoleon
Your opinion was wrong but thanks
no way napoleon was great in this film. best one to be put on screen to date.
Heard you the first time.
I really think this movie was quite shit ...
horrible camera movements ... non-existent plot ... disgusting acting by Napoleon