This is such a good video. All the non-obvious info that is relevant to maximizing damage. I would be interested in (something maybe a bit more niche) video on explaining how to perfect cast time / channeled time spammable abilities. I.e. could you teach us how to weave with Crystal Frags and Jabs/Sweeps? When to input a light attack, when to swap bars. When I try to parse with those spammables I either miss a bunch of autos, or my LA delay goes very high.
One thing that is never explained in detail is how back bar enchantments and ability altering gear work. It's confusing for some why you would run infused on a back bar and what enchantment to put with it. Perhaps you could make a shorter video explaining this
A thing id like to know is what exactly does 1 weapon dmg mean is it one point of dmg on an ability also when one stat is more valuable then another example when your under pen cap is 1400 pen better than like 250 wep dmg and how to compare stats like these this would help alot for when im deciding which sets i wanna run in pvp
@@elnrik8655 Infused trait is generally used on the back bar weapon with an increase weapon damage enchantment. This is done because the AoE / DoT effects will proc the damage bonus even after you've switched to your front bar. It's essentially "free" damage. The same principle applies to many 5 piece "proc set" bonuses that remain in effect even after you bar swap and "break" the set. This setup is usually focused more on PvP or solo PvE content. Briarheart is one of the best examples. It's extremely powerful when used as a back bar weapon with infused + weapon damage enchant, and is especially strong when playing solo due to the extra heals. Front bar would typically be your favorite Arena weapon. This is a different setup than most use in PvE optimized group play where they typically have a Maelstrom weapon with infused + weapon damage glyph on their back bar.
I've been playing ESO for well over a year and I'm still not convinced that a basic poison damage enchantment does anything. I've tested this as best I can on console. No crown poisons equipped (obviously), no bow abilities or set bonuses active that apply any poison damage. Run a bow with a poison damage glyph, and there will NEVER be any visible poison DoT indicated on the enemies. Is the extra poison damage being factored in the regular attacks, or is a poison damage enchant just completely useless?
Skinny ty so much for the videos bro. You have always been my go to for non-biased factual information involving my favorite game. I absolutely love how your information is always truthful and angled towards everyone to make their game play better. Also your ability to critically think is very refreshing in a world where very few people do! Ty good sir! Keep it up!
I really wish they had an advanced tooltips option that tells us how abilities actually work, including scaling formulas. I also wish there was a set like deadly (or just add it to deadly) that buffs cast time abilities.
We are talking about a game where ZoS couldn't be bothered to accurately reflect the basic crit damage bonus from a core Nightblade class ability on the stat sheet.
@@Narniak69 Yea, their tooltips are pretty awful. And food bonuses are still bugged in the ui right? Im just thinking that Ive played a lot of smite in my life where the ability tooltips at least on patches and in some menus (just not while in a match) say the base damage and the way it scales. I know smite’s scaling formula is a lot simpler than eso’s, but not knowing how my abilities scale is super frustrating
@@CreativeExcusesGaming Yeah some of the food bonuses used to be bugged on the stat sheet, not sure if ZoS ever fixed. Some of the Mundus stone stat bonuses are also not reflected accurately on the stat sheet.
Espero me excuse de escribirle en español, pero aunque escribo bien en inglés no podría expresarle con total claridad lo que quiero decirle: JAMAS HABIA VISTO un vídeo tan BIEN EXPLICADO sobre asuntos que no te explican cuando comienzas en TESO, no te explican otros supuestos profesionales de TESO que son UA-camrs, o que sencillamente dan por sentado en las páginas oficiales web de TESO o páginas de fans de TESO. Lo comentaba con un amigo recientemente: TESO lentamente se ha convertido en un Magic The Gathering, que requiere de personas con una gran capacidad didáctica como usted y contactos con ZOS para explicar SIN EQUIVOCACIONES los textos de los sets, especialmente los relacionados con los efectos de la quinta pieza del mismo que cada vez están siendo más complejos en su redacción y en la manera como en realidad actuan al final en combate. Mi respeto y admiración hacia usted por la sencillez y seriedad con que explica todo. Es una lástima que la comunidad de TESO en Español no cuente con personas como usted para explicarnos todas estas cuestiones que nos ayudan a mejorar la experiencia PvE o PvP de este juego que tanto disfrutamos. Yo le puedo disfrutar merced a que se me da muy bien el ingles hablado. PostData: Proximamente ZOS por recomendación de Ms Gaming va a sacar por fin la traducción oficial al Español de TESO, espero pueda usted subtitular al menos este tipo de vídeo técnicos básicos y así poder mejorar el ingreso de muchos hispanohablantes a este juego tan maravillos pero cada vez más complejo.
holy moly -- years playing eso on a desktop using google to gather information .. never thought about ingame help. duahhh nice clip -- always enjoy them.
been playing since morrowind and only now have I learned about the in-game info feature as well as the difference in scaling of aoe and st dots. thank you!
Start [BoomBoom--oh no, I animation cancelled the channel!] :D Many interesting topics, especially the part about how skills adapt to front/back bar stats, thanks for sharing, Skinny. The water lounging in Artaeum cracked me up!
Great video, I definitely needed something like this. I've been just blindly following builds I find online for years without actually ever wondering why a certain trait or enchantment is being used or why the skills and rotation is setup the way it is
A large bit of this I knew purely by reading in between the lines with the way most builds are set up. But everything was extremely helpful, and something I wish I knew starting the game.
Great vid man, learned some new stuff. I have a question tho and I hope you can answer it. Blastbones dmg and when is it calculated? If I cast Blastbones, is the dmg calculated from before the cast or right when it hits? Same probably goes for crystal frags I guess, but they dont stand still for 5secs like skelebro does.
you know I'm not 100% sure. I would assume it is when it hits. I know the dynamic stuff like crit chance and crit dmg and all that are when it hits. but i'm not 100% sure about the wpn/spl dmg/max resource
> How abilities work in relation to where they are cast I find this swapping behavior very interesting! I didn't realize that it dynamically updated like that. What about something like Perfected Maelstrom Bow on the backbar? I assume then that you don't get the tick up in dmg even after you swap back to your front bar and you lose the Thunderous Volley set, right?
The arena weapons alter the ability directly, they don't apply a bonus. So the Maelstrom Bow makes your Volley deal more damage, regardless of the bar you're on. It's kind of casting a different ability with slightly higher numbers. The same with the destro staff. It alters your Wall of Elements directly so enemies take more damage.
Exlt info a lot of "experts" in group get wrong. The proc sets like war maiden, they dont show on stat page, but they do show in the skills tool tip. my standard is drop 1 piece to check, and buff up and check. The damage is always there on the tool tip. Appreciate all your vids. the info builds are 1st rate. Cheers.
you can also activate Crushing Wall from the back bar. As long as it was casted by a Maelstorm staff, the ability effect will carry over on the front bar. weird!
Thank you 🙏🏽!! Super helpful! Love the vids, just wondering if you are gonna make a MagCro Deadlands update..? I’ve seen all your other guides but I’m kinda lost right now as a magcro in deadlands, I get gear is kinra and basai but my skills are all over the place… I’d love the help, or I’ll wait for a vid!
Wow. Very very very important and good video!! I even learned some things like I knew the snapshot damage of a single target dot on the front bar would remain the same if you swapped bars but didn’t know crit chance and crit damage were not part of that snapshot.. it kinda makes sense but also kind of not logically following the rules. How weird lol… and yeah when people were saying untamed aggression was always better than the other one I knew that sounded off and didn’t believe them. Anyway thanks for this great vid!
I'm done meta chasing. I got my RoPo ring, my guildies, my goals in eso and I am occupied for awhile. When all that's over I'll consider more higher end trials but for now i want to house and explore and get fun treasure
interesting. So having medusa on front bar you really don't lose that much damage on back bar because of the swap and being that its 100 percent on front bar and trap isn't 100 percent active, it regular content its not going to be that much different?
War maiden and sets alike through my testing do not increase proc sets that deal magic damage. For example Nerien'eth will hit for the same with one piece of war maiden taken away and replaced with equal stat and trait piece removing the 5th piece bonus. But my math could be messed up if you would check this for us it would be appreciated. Great video
@@naplzt4k I wouldn’t say it is so obvious. It buffs your resto light attacks too. And something like wrathful strikes that says “damage abilities” does boost procs. I wouldn’t exactly call that consistent.
@@naplzt4k is restoration light attacking heavy attacking ability hmmm. Whoops just saw your post skinny cheeks sorry. I should have put that fact in my original post but I just assumed everyone knows it increases your restoration staff attacks but not everyone knows that it does not affect procs. My bad
generally you will lead with endless on your backbar anyways because it is better swap into. when ending your front bar try doing: Light attack > Skill > Light attack > Barswap > Endless. You'll find that it casts pretty smoothly that way.
there used to be a way to have infinite stamina on mount when i started playing in 2017, was just randomly that i figured it out. think it required sprinting, then falling to reset sprint while keeping shift locked in or something
I could have sworn that I saw degeneration tick dynamically with which bar I was on a long time ago. Did it change or am I just mistaken? Also, would Noxious Breath be dynamic or does it "snapshot" like single targets because each dot is its own single target dot?
I don't believe Degen has changed. Could be your crit dmg amount changed or % done modifiers were different on a different bar. Noxious and all other AoEs that leave behind DoTs will snapshot as well, since the DoT they leave behind is considered a Single Target DoT
A wish for a topic would be if the passive for wardens animal line is stronger than the one for fighters guild or the other way around. Like is it better to have your front bar packed with animals or with fighters guild abilities? This seems to be a topic everyone thinks different about and mostly people that actually do not play wardens have strong feelings about
I think the reason it is debated is because there isn't a clear winner. It depends on the rest of your stats. Generally, in most situations, the animal passive is stronger. But the FG passive is very close and w/ something like trap or camo hunter, that have other good effects, there may be good reason to slot those over an animal ability.
This needs to be pinned in the ESO's forums. Skinny Cheeks, you are the only content creator that I've seen that truly cares about building a more efficient and capable player base. With detailed information presented in a fun, digestible format without unnecessary fluff or banter, offering options on builds and compositions without subscribing to a rigid, elitist mindset, and keeping us up to date on changes and misconceptions, you will always be my go to for ESO knowledge. Thank you for the time and effort you put into each presentation.
Is Penetration an always dynamic stat (like crit chance) or is it snapshotted for single-target dots (like weapon/spell damage)? P.S. Sorry if it was in the video but I haven't noticed :D
Omg ty for clarifying things on this stuff. I play on console and getting this information is confusing and can be annoying IE asking a question to zone or guild and getting the response . . . "Google it" and I'm like ok and proceed to search and end up with a result from 2016 and I'm like "Such Wow!" thanks guys. But fr ty.
So an interesting point, if you assume average full medium armor build, both of the normal Buffs, two Fighters Guild skills, then if we compare infused versus bloodthirsty that 103 extra weapon spell damage actually ends up being 154 after the buff. So if you do the math they originally said around 63% health is when bloodthirsty overtakes an Infused trait but now the math should actually be closer to 50% enemy health. I'm willing to bet this means that one infused and two bloodthirsty is stronger for higher Health enemies
One more little thing on staves. Some people set up AOE on L staff, direct on F staffs. but when you bar swap, the held staff determines the damge modifier applied. Not the staff it was cast on. So Lightning wall swap to flame front you just lost the aoe boost. Cheers again.
Can someone elaborate more about the lightning staff? I have a maelstrom lightning staff but not the inferno staff. I've been using my mother's sorrow inferno staff on the front bar and the maelstrom lightning staff on the back bar. I'm a magblade dps but play solo more often than anything group. Should I swap the lightning staff to the front bar or stop using it altogether? Also, since you mentioned wall of elements, should that skill go on the same bar as the inferno staff? I'm not knowledgeable about this at all so a bit of advice or a link to a reference page would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks.
2 things I hear a lot are forcing chests in dungeons/trials lowers the quality of the chest, and dropping dolmen pinions gives a lower chance for unique boss and lower chest loot.
Thanks! I am having a hell of a time light attacks! Trying so had to get my parse number up to do end game content. So I should be able to do a light attack and a skill in one second? Correct? I can’t break 80 on my magblade!
@candace perry I used to have the same issue too. Not sure what all you know, so just going to write what helped me here. Most importantly, getting in my mind as soon as I hit the skill, IMMEDIATELY do a light attack. Skill THEN light attack, in that order! The hard part is after that, you wont do anything (unless bar swapping) until you repeat the same process one second later. Consistent timing is everything so you have to get that 1 second time lapse in your mind. Also, just in case fyi, make sure to use skills in this order buff, aoe/dot, spammable and repeat as your rotation and pay attention to enemy health if you have any execute skills slotted and adjust while in rotation. Make your rotation and bar setup compliment that so it's becomes muscle memory. Every time you hit ANY skill, no matter what it is, get used to firing that light attack right after. Once you get that set and your skill/attack weaving (anim cancelling) you will be gold. Just practice on a target dummy to get that and your gold and will start to feel it working in normal gameplay too. s skinny said, it sounds complicated but it's SUPER easy once you get the rhythm down. GL! :)
Thanks for your comments!!! I am a 50 year old construction worker! I love everything about this game!!!! Except the 21 mill dummy!! I hate that thing! But it’s the only way I will get better!!!! Thanks so much for your time!!👍👍
Question about nirhoned and duel wield: there's a passive in duel wield that increases weapon dmg by x% of your off-hand weapon, would it be beneficial to put nirhoned on the off-hand if for some reason you want different on the main hand of duel wield bar? Or does the difference only apply to front vs back bar?
One question - I heard on an old Alcast video that when using MA Bow on the back bar, if you cast Endless Hail and then barswap immediately before the first tick has occured, then you miss out on proc from MA Bow. Is that still true?
I still hear that , i have been doing horrible dps for ages now because i was using endless hail last skill and canceling the animation. Constantly. I knew that info on 2017 but i legit just forgot for years. My build felt weird. I was using hurricane 15sec and than endless 14 sec and it was weird because endless kept finishing way before hurricane. And my dps ugh... I wish this things were explained ingame.
that is not correct. that was addressed in the patch notes a few years ago and no longer requires you to wait for a tick to go off. but the rumor still floats around. great one to talk about in a future vid. thanks!
Thank you so much for clearing things up the way you do. I have always been wondering why the hell one would ever want to skill and slot Wrathful Strikes. Keep up the good work, thank you.
wait so abilities cast dynamicaly change damage depending on weapons ? as in i can have a back bar with a resto staff as a weird example...cast some dots from the back bar move to the front bar with my proper damage staff and the dots already there will now gain more damage cause my front bar staff is better ?
Useful stuff! I got the lightning staff from the maelstrom arena and was like “this is good enough” and now I realize that no, it is not lol. Back into the arena I go!
it can be nice for solo and is still better in group play than no maelstrom staff, but yes, you'll want to try and get ahold of the flame one if you can. should be a bit easier now with the curated RNG!
Does the sustained by suffering vamp bite trick still work? I heard it still works in combat, but I just tested it and my character sheet doesn't update.
Yo aetherian archive! Is the chain lightning damage really caused by people moving? Or is it caused by being in the bosses field of view? Or is it all wrong?
it is based on distance between player characters. if you stack up tightly enough, or spread out far enough, you won't get it. basically pick your method to either stack up tight and stand still or everyone spread out. most today go with the tight stack
First off, great video as usual. Very informative while staying succint & avoiding a clickbaity title or description. Couple questions about traits & enchants: say I'm using Blackrose Prison dual wield on my backbar with flame/poison enchants, the infused trait will increase the damage the enchant deals when it procs, regardless of which bar I'm on, & if I then have a charged weapon on my frontbar it will increase the chance of those backbar enchants proccing their status effect when they activate __EDIT provided I'm on my frontbar when the enchant activates__, correct? And to clarify, so that I'm sure I understand DOT scaling correctly: Let's say my build has 5 piece Deadly Strike active only on the frontbar & 5 piece War Maiden active only on the backbar. I cast Degeneration & Mystic Orb from my backbar, then swap to my front bar. On barswap Orb will lose the War Maiden buff but gain the Deadly Strike buff; Degeneration will keep the War Maiden buff & gain the Deadly Strike buff, correct? What about AoE direct damage attacks with a DOT component that "sticks" to the enemy, like Dragon Knight's Fiery Breath ability (& morphs)? I understand the DOT portion is considered single-target damage so the DOT should snapshot the same as Degeneration, correct? P.S. Your voice sounded fine. I wouldn't have noticed you were getting over being sick if you hadn't said so.
Thanks! Yes, infused continues to work even when you aren't on that bar so long as you have a weapon ability that is continuing to keep up those enchantments, like deadly cloak in your case. About the DoTs, yes you have it correct! And yes, the DoT portion from an AoE, if it is not on the ground but instead applied to the target, is considered a single target DoT. hope that helps!
Damn I may will sound stupid here but i had no idea there was a main hand thing in dual wielding...will definitely look on my stamblade what I have set up ^^'
Skinny what would we do without you? You have helped make so many of us better players with your simplified and straightforward approach to this game. Thank you!
Another thing people get wrong: "you need a certain amount of DPS to do vet content" where there are DPS checks like in last boss in VSS for the people that go in portals, not much vet content has these, as long as you do mechanics, the only thing DPS changes is time it takes so it really only matters for speed runs and special case situations
That's kind of true but as a tank. I can't really tell you the number of times I have been pinned by the boss in FG2 and just watched as they couldn't get a shade to 50%.
I'd say it varies from content to content sure. But DPS checks are definitely a real thing. And some in the game, especially for stuff like xalvakka HM are quite high, to the point where very few groups can actually meet them, even super optimized.
@@skinnycheeks my point is they are not as prolific as people make them out to be. Sure most trials have them, however most dungeons and arenas do not. Most groups are actually punished for overburn like cloudrest+3 where you can get 2 minis to show up at the same time.
@@lotkf1 oh absolutely. I’m not saying that slow and steady isn’t a viable option for a ton of content. It definitely is. But even the stuff where lower dps can get you through, high dps potential is still preferred as you can burst through the sections that allow you to. Not trying to argue over it really. But I also wouldn’t want to give people the impression that they shouldn’t work on improving as a dps to better contribute to their team.
@@skinnycheeks I can agree with that, I've just been in some guilds that kinda had expectations too high (45k for normal and 75k for vet 80+for HM) and it made newer players discouraged and it was just something I wanted to put out there, definitely work on it but don't think that you can't do it.
Block animation canceling isn't what is used to be so its not really something I recommend doing anymore because it will just feel super clunky. It used to be super smooth and was really the main way to animation cancel 5 or 6 years ago
Great video though. I've been playing for 7 years and even I learned something about the single target dots and heals. I always thought it updated to whichever bar your on like the AOEs did.
What if I have barbed trap in my rotation, fail to refresh before reapplying dots, and then cast barbed trap again? Will the remaining ticks of the DoT be affected by minor force?
Ok I did not know that with Nirn traits on dual wield cause when testing I never noticed it having that much of a difference in the number values but now that I do I will follow the correct info. Thank you for that understanding.
The only one that counts: do not buy the eso plus. Spend 50$ on cdkey and make your own guild with 10 alts, you will have a free, indefinite 2500 item bank. Then just slowly trade gold for crowns, buy all the expansions, profit
Awesome video, I have had many conversations based on these topics. Glad to see someone with a larger platform using it to correct this misinformation as well. :D
Thanks for watching! Let me know if there are any topics you'd like to see me cover in future videos like this.
This is such a good video. All the non-obvious info that is relevant to maximizing damage.
I would be interested in (something maybe a bit more niche) video on explaining how to perfect cast time / channeled time spammable abilities. I.e. could you teach us how to weave with Crystal Frags and Jabs/Sweeps?
When to input a light attack, when to swap bars.
When I try to parse with those spammables I either miss a bunch of autos, or my LA delay goes very high.
One thing that is never explained in detail is how back bar enchantments and ability altering gear work. It's confusing for some why you would run infused on a back bar and what enchantment to put with it.
Perhaps you could make a shorter video explaining this
A thing id like to know is what exactly does 1 weapon dmg mean is it one point of dmg on an ability also when one stat is more valuable then another example when your under pen cap is 1400 pen better than like 250 wep dmg and how to compare stats like these this would help alot for when im deciding which sets i wanna run in pvp
@@elnrik8655 Infused trait is generally used on the back bar weapon with an increase weapon damage enchantment. This is done because the AoE / DoT effects will proc the damage bonus even after you've switched to your front bar. It's essentially "free" damage. The same principle applies to many 5 piece "proc set" bonuses that remain in effect even after you bar swap and "break" the set. This setup is usually focused more on PvP or solo PvE content. Briarheart is one of the best examples. It's extremely powerful when used as a back bar weapon with infused + weapon damage enchant, and is especially strong when playing solo due to the extra heals. Front bar would typically be your favorite Arena weapon. This is a different setup than most use in PvE optimized group play where they typically have a Maelstrom weapon with infused + weapon damage glyph on their back bar.
I've been playing ESO for well over a year and I'm still not convinced that a basic poison damage enchantment does anything. I've tested this as best I can on console. No crown poisons equipped (obviously), no bow abilities or set bonuses active that apply any poison damage. Run a bow with a poison damage glyph, and there will NEVER be any visible poison DoT indicated on the enemies. Is the extra poison damage being factored in the regular attacks, or is a poison damage enchant just completely useless?
Glad you cover the content that nobody seems to know but everyone’s an expert on lmao. Keep at it !!
Channeled acceleration has a cast time too
haha thank you!
Wow, thank you so much. I learnt more in this vid than I did for the past 2 years searching on forums and asking ppl. Amazing stuff man :)
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
@@skinnycheeks It is - many create vids about build, but not explained why things work or not worked together.
Thanks for that kind sir . I dont even know how many people told me some nonsense about war maiden . And they made me not using it.
I see people saying that all the time
Skinny ty so much for the videos bro. You have always been my go to for non-biased factual information involving my favorite game. I absolutely love how your information is always truthful and angled towards everyone to make their game play better. Also your ability to critically think is very refreshing in a world where very few people do! Ty good sir! Keep it up!
I really wish they had an advanced tooltips option that tells us how abilities actually work, including scaling formulas. I also wish there was a set like deadly (or just add it to deadly) that buffs cast time abilities.
We are talking about a game where ZoS couldn't be bothered to accurately reflect the basic crit damage bonus from a core Nightblade class ability on the stat sheet.
@@Narniak69 Yea, their tooltips are pretty awful. And food bonuses are still bugged in the ui right?
Im just thinking that Ive played a lot of smite in my life where the ability tooltips at least on patches and in some menus (just not while in a match) say the base damage and the way it scales. I know smite’s scaling formula is a lot simpler than eso’s, but not knowing how my abilities scale is super frustrating
@@CreativeExcusesGaming Yeah some of the food bonuses used to be bugged on the stat sheet, not sure if ZoS ever fixed. Some of the Mundus stone stat bonuses are also not reflected accurately on the stat sheet.
I'd be cool with more advanced tooltips!
Espero me excuse de escribirle en español, pero aunque escribo bien en inglés no podría expresarle con total claridad lo que quiero decirle: JAMAS HABIA VISTO un vídeo tan BIEN EXPLICADO sobre asuntos que no te explican cuando comienzas en TESO, no te explican otros supuestos profesionales de TESO que son UA-camrs, o que sencillamente dan por sentado en las páginas oficiales web de TESO o páginas de fans de TESO.
Lo comentaba con un amigo recientemente: TESO lentamente se ha convertido en un Magic The Gathering, que requiere de personas con una gran capacidad didáctica como usted y contactos con ZOS para explicar SIN EQUIVOCACIONES los textos de los sets, especialmente los relacionados con los efectos de la quinta pieza del mismo que cada vez están siendo más complejos en su redacción y en la manera como en realidad actuan al final en combate. Mi respeto y admiración hacia usted por la sencillez y seriedad con que explica todo.
Es una lástima que la comunidad de TESO en Español no cuente con personas como usted para explicarnos todas estas cuestiones que nos ayudan a mejorar la experiencia PvE o PvP de este juego que tanto disfrutamos. Yo le puedo disfrutar merced a que se me da muy bien el ingles hablado. PostData: Proximamente ZOS por recomendación de Ms Gaming va a sacar por fin la traducción oficial al Español de TESO, espero pueda usted subtitular al menos este tipo de vídeo técnicos básicos y así poder mejorar el ingreso de muchos hispanohablantes a este juego tan maravillos pero cada vez más complejo.
holy moly -- years playing eso on a desktop using google to gather information .. never thought about ingame help. duahhh nice clip -- always enjoy them.
Thanks Mike!
been playing since morrowind and only now have I learned about the in-game info feature as well as the difference in scaling of aoe and st dots. thank you!
Start [BoomBoom--oh no, I animation cancelled the channel!] :D Many interesting topics, especially the part about how skills adapt to front/back bar stats, thanks for sharing, Skinny. The water lounging in Artaeum cracked me up!
LOL yeah feelsbad. And thanks 😊
Great video, I definitely needed something like this. I've been just blindly following builds I find online for years without actually ever wondering why a certain trait or enchantment is being used or why the skills and rotation is setup the way it is
thanks! glad it was helpful!
A large bit of this I knew purely by reading in between the lines with the way most builds are set up. But everything was extremely helpful, and something I wish I knew starting the game.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful
Great vid man, learned some new stuff. I have a question tho and I hope you can answer it. Blastbones dmg and when is it calculated? If I cast Blastbones, is the dmg calculated from before the cast or right when it hits? Same probably goes for crystal frags I guess, but they dont stand still for 5secs like skelebro does.
you know I'm not 100% sure. I would assume it is when it hits. I know the dynamic stuff like crit chance and crit dmg and all that are when it hits. but i'm not 100% sure about the wpn/spl dmg/max resource
Thanks for this! Linking it in my guild's FAQ section. Your explain of animation canceling is the best I've seen.
thanks so much!
> How abilities work in relation to where they are cast
I find this swapping behavior very interesting! I didn't realize that it dynamically updated like that. What about something like Perfected Maelstrom Bow on the backbar? I assume then that you don't get the tick up in dmg even after you swap back to your front bar and you lose the Thunderous Volley set, right?
The arena weapons alter the ability directly, they don't apply a bonus. So the Maelstrom Bow makes your Volley deal more damage, regardless of the bar you're on. It's kind of casting a different ability with slightly higher numbers.
The same with the destro staff. It alters your Wall of Elements directly so enemies take more damage.
yep, pretty much what varana said. Those are fine to back bar and you will retain the bonuses.
Great. This is the first time I see the difference between cast and channel stated so clearly. My compliments. Useful video.
Thank you!
Exlt info a lot of "experts" in group get wrong. The proc sets like war maiden, they dont show on stat page, but they do show in the skills tool tip. my standard is drop 1 piece to check, and buff up and check. The damage is always there on the tool tip. Appreciate all your vids. the info builds are 1st rate. Cheers.
you can also activate Crushing Wall from the back bar. As long as it was casted by a Maelstorm staff, the ability effect will carry over on the front bar. weird!
Thank you 🙏🏽!! Super helpful!
Love the vids, just wondering if you are gonna make a MagCro Deadlands update..? I’ve seen all your other guides but I’m kinda lost right now as a magcro in deadlands, I get gear is kinra and basai but my skills are all over the place…
I’d love the help, or I’ll wait for a vid!
Thank you. and I'm unsure at this time if I'll do a Magcro build for the deadlands
Lol the little passive stabs here and there are priceless. I laughed so hard. Let’s take bets on how long it’ll take for mystick to respond 🤣
Good video, I like that it was on UA-cam. I give it a D.
In all seriousness nice video. I'm sure this will help a lot
Thank you 😂 Wonder if we will get another react out of this. We can only hope
@@skinnycheeks it would be a wonderful Christmas gift to the eso community 🙏
@@skinnycheeks You did lol
@@isth3reno1else you can learn from this , do the Maths
Wow. Very very very important and good video!! I even learned some things like I knew the snapshot damage of a single target dot on the front bar would remain the same if you swapped bars but didn’t know crit chance and crit damage were not part of that snapshot.. it kinda makes sense but also kind of not logically following the rules. How weird lol… and yeah when people were saying untamed aggression was always better than the other one I knew that sounded off and didn’t believe them. Anyway thanks for this great vid!
Thank you! And yeah, some of the stuff you just kind of have to figure out and no. Not really something that is necessarily intuitive.
I'm done meta chasing. I got my RoPo ring, my guildies, my goals in eso and I am occupied for awhile. When all that's over I'll consider more higher end trials but for now i want to house and explore and get fun treasure
interesting. So having medusa on front bar you really don't lose that much damage on back bar because of the swap and being that its 100 percent on front bar and trap isn't 100 percent active, it regular content its not going to be that much different?
The in-game help menu doesn't have a search option on console so you have to dig for info. Not sure why it's currently exclusive to PC atm.
Good to know. They should def add that
Thank you for this great information
Thanks!
War maiden and sets alike through my testing do not increase proc sets that deal magic damage. For example Nerien'eth will hit for the same with one piece of war maiden taken away and replaced with equal stat and trait piece removing the 5th piece bonus. But my math could be messed up if you would check this for us it would be appreciated. Great video
Oh interesting. Yeah that’s def one I’ll take a look at. Could be a good topic for a future vid. And thanks!
obviously....it adds dmg to your magic abilities not base weapon/spell dmg so it should only buff slotted skills
@@naplzt4k I wouldn’t say it is so obvious. It buffs your resto light attacks too. And something like wrathful strikes that says “damage abilities” does boost procs. I wouldn’t exactly call that consistent.
@@naplzt4k is restoration light attacking heavy attacking ability hmmm. Whoops just saw your post skinny cheeks sorry. I should have put that fact in my original post but I just assumed everyone knows it increases your restoration staff attacks but not everyone knows that it does not affect procs. My bad
@@skinnycheeks not surprising things aren't consistent lol but thanks for noting this
So then is there a proper bow back bar rotation if endless doesn't need to lead off for the 1st tick to take? Especially using Master's bow.
generally you will lead with endless on your backbar anyways because it is better swap into.
when ending your front bar try doing: Light attack > Skill > Light attack > Barswap > Endless. You'll find that it casts pretty smoothly that way.
there used to be a way to have infinite stamina on mount when i started playing in 2017, was just randomly that i figured it out. think it required sprinting, then falling to reset sprint while keeping shift locked in or something
I could have sworn that I saw degeneration tick dynamically with which bar I was on a long time ago. Did it change or am I just mistaken? Also, would Noxious Breath be dynamic or does it "snapshot" like single targets because each dot is its own single target dot?
I don't believe Degen has changed. Could be your crit dmg amount changed or % done modifiers were different on a different bar. Noxious and all other AoEs that leave behind DoTs will snapshot as well, since the DoT they leave behind is considered a Single Target DoT
A wish for a topic would be if the passive for wardens animal line is stronger than the one for fighters guild or the other way around. Like is it better to have your front bar packed with animals or with fighters guild abilities? This seems to be a topic everyone thinks different about and mostly people that actually do not play wardens have strong feelings about
I think the reason it is debated is because there isn't a clear winner. It depends on the rest of your stats. Generally, in most situations, the animal passive is stronger. But the FG passive is very close and w/ something like trap or camo hunter, that have other good effects, there may be good reason to slot those over an animal ability.
This needs to be pinned in the ESO's forums.
Skinny Cheeks, you are the only content creator that I've seen that truly cares about building a more efficient and capable player base. With detailed information presented in a fun, digestible format without unnecessary fluff or banter, offering options on builds and compositions without subscribing to a rigid, elitist mindset, and keeping us up to date on changes and misconceptions, you will always be my go to for ESO knowledge.
Thank you for the time and effort you put into each presentation.
Thank you so much. Really appreciate the encouragement and kind words.
Great work as always! Thank you. 😊
Thanks!
Is Penetration an always dynamic stat (like crit chance) or is it snapshotted for single-target dots (like weapon/spell damage)?
P.S. Sorry if it was in the video but I haven't noticed :D
ahh yes, I didn't mention, but it is dynamic as well like crit chance.
Thanks dude, great info.
Great video, does deadly strike set boost lightning staff heavy?
I haven't tested, but it SHOULD since it is a channel. and thanks!
Wonder if Mistick watched it 👀 lol
Keep up the good work bro, see you in Tamriel 🤙
He did
thank you!
Omg ty for clarifying things on this stuff. I play on console and getting this information is confusing and can be annoying IE asking a question to zone or guild and getting the response . . . "Google it" and I'm like ok and proceed to search and end up with a result from 2016 and I'm like "Such Wow!" thanks guys. But fr ty.
Glad it helped! Thanks
You will get better search results by putting 2021 in your search.
Great stuff Skinny, thank you!
thank you!
So an interesting point, if you assume average full medium armor build, both of the normal Buffs, two Fighters Guild skills, then if we compare infused versus bloodthirsty that 103 extra weapon spell damage actually ends up being 154 after the buff. So if you do the math they originally said around 63% health is when bloodthirsty overtakes an Infused trait but now the math should actually be closer to 50% enemy health. I'm willing to bet this means that one infused and two bloodthirsty is stronger for higher Health enemies
One more little thing on staves. Some people set up AOE on L staff, direct on F staffs. but when you bar swap, the held staff determines the damge modifier applied. Not the staff it was cast on. So Lightning wall swap to flame front you just lost the aoe boost. Cheers again.
... Which he talked about in the video 😉
Does 1h type affect SnB? Does a sword give better healing, because there’s no SnB passive that would suggest so, but others claim this.
Nope. You can use any 1h with sword and shield and it performs exactly the same
Can someone elaborate more about the lightning staff? I have a maelstrom lightning staff but not the inferno staff. I've been using my mother's sorrow inferno staff on the front bar and the maelstrom lightning staff on the back bar. I'm a magblade dps but play solo more often than anything group. Should I swap the lightning staff to the front bar or stop using it altogether? Also, since you mentioned wall of elements, should that skill go on the same bar as the inferno staff? I'm not knowledgeable about this at all so a bit of advice or a link to a reference page would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks.
Well I definitely learned something new - that ST DoTs don't fully update on bar swap, as I thought all do. As always, your content is great!
But poison injection does... It's a bit weird
thanks!
2 things I hear a lot are forcing chests in dungeons/trials lowers the quality of the chest, and dropping dolmen pinions gives a lower chance for unique boss and lower chest loot.
Thanks! I am having a hell of a time light attacks! Trying so had to get my parse number up to do end game content. So I should be able to do a light attack and a skill in one second? Correct? I can’t break 80 on my magblade!
yes, that is correct. it does take quite a bit of practice to get it down that fast without messing up the rotation
@candace perry I used to have the same issue too. Not sure what all you know, so just going to write what helped me here. Most importantly, getting in my mind as soon as I hit the skill, IMMEDIATELY do a light attack. Skill THEN light attack, in that order! The hard part is after that, you wont do anything (unless bar swapping) until you repeat the same process one second later. Consistent timing is everything so you have to get that 1 second time lapse in your mind. Also, just in case fyi, make sure to use skills in this order buff, aoe/dot, spammable and repeat as your rotation and pay attention to enemy health if you have any execute skills slotted and adjust while in rotation. Make your rotation and bar setup compliment that so it's becomes muscle memory. Every time you hit ANY skill, no matter what it is, get used to firing that light attack right after. Once you get that set and your skill/attack weaving (anim cancelling) you will be gold. Just practice on a target dummy to get that and your gold and will start to feel it working in normal gameplay too. s skinny said, it sounds complicated but it's SUPER easy once you get the rhythm down. GL! :)
Thanks for your comments!!! I am a 50 year old construction worker! I love everything about this game!!!! Except the 21 mill dummy!! I hate that thing! But it’s the only way I will get better!!!! Thanks so much for your time!!👍👍
This was very usefull for me. Thank you.
awesome! I'm glad it helped
Nice one Skinny. super helpful.
Thanks!
Great job w/info and graphics! So informative!
thanks!
Question about nirhoned and duel wield: there's a passive in duel wield that increases weapon dmg by x% of your off-hand weapon, would it be beneficial to put nirhoned on the off-hand if for some reason you want different on the main hand of duel wield bar? Or does the difference only apply to front vs back bar?
As always great content Skinny :)
Appreciate it!
And this is why you are the best eso content creator
ah thanks!
Great video. Very helpful 👍🏻
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the helpful content:D may I ask if War maiden’s 600 SD affects staves LA/HA?
only resto staves since those deal magic damage
Thank you!
thanks for watching!
One question - I heard on an old Alcast video that when using MA Bow on the back bar, if you cast Endless Hail and then barswap immediately before the first tick has occured, then you miss out on proc from MA Bow. Is that still true?
I still hear that , i have been doing horrible dps for ages now because i was using endless hail last skill and canceling the animation. Constantly.
I knew that info on 2017 but i legit just forgot for years.
My build felt weird. I was using hurricane 15sec and than endless 14 sec and it was weird because endless kept finishing way before hurricane.
And my dps ugh...
I wish this things were explained ingame.
that is not correct. that was addressed in the patch notes a few years ago and no longer requires you to wait for a tick to go off. but the rumor still floats around. great one to talk about in a future vid. thanks!
@@skinnycheeks pleasure maaaaaaaate.
So if I want a higher Vigor but I want to be on my front bar, Nirhorned would be better than Powered on the back bar if Vigor is on the backbar?
Glad you are doing this stuff! I find you very helpful
thanks!
Bring in the knowledge! Heck ye.
bwingin the waid knowledge
Thank you so much for clearing things up the way you do. I have always been wondering why the hell one would ever want to skill and slot Wrathful Strikes. Keep up the good work, thank you.
thanks!
This video was more informative than I thought it would be
Does backstabber champion node work on target dummy?
if you dps it from behind yes
Great video and topics covered in it
thanks!
wait so abilities cast dynamicaly change damage depending on weapons ?
as in i can have a back bar with a resto staff as a weird example...cast some dots from the back bar
move to the front bar with my proper damage staff and the dots already there will now gain more damage cause my front bar staff is better ?
i didnt know about single target dots and wpd/spd for specific damage types
Useful stuff! I got the lightning staff from the maelstrom arena and was like “this is good enough” and now I realize that no, it is not lol. Back into the arena I go!
On sorc and while soloing, lightning maelstrom is often strongest
it can be nice for solo and is still better in group play than no maelstrom staff, but yes, you'll want to try and get ahold of the flame one if you can. should be a bit easier now with the curated RNG!
Does the sustained by suffering vamp bite trick still work? I heard it still works in combat, but I just tested it and my character sheet doesn't update.
Apparently there are some really exploity kind of ways to make it work still but i haven’t gone down that road
Yo aetherian archive! Is the chain lightning damage really caused by people moving? Or is it caused by being in the bosses field of view? Or is it all wrong?
it is based on distance between player characters. if you stack up tightly enough, or spread out far enough, you won't get it. basically pick your method to either stack up tight and stand still or everyone spread out. most today go with the tight stack
Super job man , very informative!
thanks!
First off, great video as usual. Very informative while staying succint & avoiding a clickbaity title or description.
Couple questions about traits & enchants: say I'm using Blackrose Prison dual wield on my backbar with flame/poison enchants, the infused trait will increase the damage the enchant deals when it procs, regardless of which bar I'm on, & if I then have a charged weapon on my frontbar it will increase the chance of those backbar enchants proccing their status effect when they activate __EDIT provided I'm on my frontbar when the enchant activates__, correct?
And to clarify, so that I'm sure I understand DOT scaling correctly:
Let's say my build has 5 piece Deadly Strike active only on the frontbar & 5 piece War Maiden active only on the backbar. I cast Degeneration & Mystic Orb from my backbar, then swap to my front bar. On barswap Orb will lose the War Maiden buff but gain the Deadly Strike buff; Degeneration will keep the War Maiden buff & gain the Deadly Strike buff, correct?
What about AoE direct damage attacks with a DOT component that "sticks" to the enemy, like Dragon Knight's Fiery Breath ability (& morphs)? I understand the DOT portion is considered single-target damage so the DOT should snapshot the same as Degeneration, correct?
P.S. Your voice sounded fine. I wouldn't have noticed you were getting over being sick if you hadn't said so.
Thanks!
Yes, infused continues to work even when you aren't on that bar so long as you have a weapon ability that is continuing to keep up those enchantments, like deadly cloak in your case.
About the DoTs, yes you have it correct!
And yes, the DoT portion from an AoE, if it is not on the ground but instead applied to the target, is considered a single target DoT.
hope that helps!
Do burning and chilled cancel each other? Something I’ve never gotten answered.
No they are separate
This video actually helped a lot, now I’m just waiting for that Magcro build update.
Damn I may will sound stupid here but i had no idea there was a main hand thing in dual wielding...will definitely look on my stamblade what I have set up ^^'
nah it's not stupid. the game doesn't really tell you that anywhere. you just kind of have to know it.
Since I do animation cancelling through bar swap for the endless hail I am so much quicker. it's my number one tip for people that do bow on back bar
That one is tricky though. You can cancel out the skill cast itself if you bar swap too quickly.
yep, there are lots of little things like that you just kind of have to know and figure out
I'm in alot of guilds that have plenty of know it all's, glad this video is out thank you Skinny
Hey skinny. I was just wondering if you had a moment to talk about our lord and savior, the diminishing returns?
GET OUT!! 😂
Thanks man. I can't even count the Bow/Bow builds that use Deadly "Its awesome it boosts snipe". Do they even test this or is it just guessing?!
just guessing i guess?
Skinny what would we do without you? You have helped make so many of us better players with your simplified and straightforward approach to this game. Thank you!
Another thing people get wrong: "you need a certain amount of DPS to do vet content" where there are DPS checks like in last boss in VSS for the people that go in portals, not much vet content has these, as long as you do mechanics, the only thing DPS changes is time it takes so it really only matters for speed runs and special case situations
That's kind of true but as a tank. I can't really tell you the number of times I have been pinned by the boss in FG2 and just watched as they couldn't get a shade to 50%.
I'd say it varies from content to content sure. But DPS checks are definitely a real thing. And some in the game, especially for stuff like xalvakka HM are quite high, to the point where very few groups can actually meet them, even super optimized.
@@skinnycheeks my point is they are not as prolific as people make them out to be. Sure most trials have them, however most dungeons and arenas do not. Most groups are actually punished for overburn like cloudrest+3 where you can get 2 minis to show up at the same time.
@@lotkf1 oh absolutely. I’m not saying that slow and steady isn’t a viable option for a ton of content. It definitely is. But even the stuff where lower dps can get you through, high dps potential is still preferred as you can burst through the sections that allow you to. Not trying to argue over it really. But I also wouldn’t want to give people the impression that they shouldn’t work on improving as a dps to better contribute to their team.
@@skinnycheeks I can agree with that, I've just been in some guilds that kinda had expectations too high (45k for normal and 75k for vet 80+for HM) and it made newer players discouraged and it was just something I wanted to put out there, definitely work on it but don't think that you can't do it.
Hahaha The Cast time Example got ne xD Start.....Boom! Lol Well, easily amused chrmchrm. Thx a Lot this Vid is again extremly helpfull!!
thanks! haha. I had fun putting all that together. glad it was helpful :)
what is the motif for the helmet of the stamina char u used in the exemples?
It’s the deadlands antiquity
Block animation canceling isn't what is used to be so its not really something I recommend doing anymore because it will just feel super clunky. It used to be super smooth and was really the main way to animation cancel 5 or 6 years ago
Great video though. I've been playing for 7 years and even I learned something about the single target dots and heals. I always thought it updated to whichever bar your on like the AOEs did.
oh I wasn't recommending people to incorporate into their rotations, just showing it is there. and thank you!
Great video !
Thanks!
Not even finished but .. Great video...
What if I have barbed trap in my rotation, fail to refresh before reapplying dots, and then cast barbed trap again? Will the remaining ticks of the DoT be affected by minor force?
yes, crit dmg updates with every tick so you'd be fine there.
what about single target dots from set procs do the snap shot when applied such as arena bow set virulent shot
Is Overload channelled or cast time for the heavy atk?
channeled cause it does something while you hold it down
@@skinnycheeks thanks :D
Clarification is Always a good thing
Is a heavy attack from a lightning/resto staff considered a channeled ability?
yes
@@skinnycheeks thank you for the knowledge
Ok I did not know that with Nirn traits on dual wield cause when testing I never noticed it having that much of a difference in the number values but now that I do I will follow the correct info. Thank you for that understanding.
Yeah, the game doesn't really tell you that anywhere! just have to kinda stumble onto it
Hey thanks for this
thanks for watching!
Isn't a lightning staff heavy attack a channel so deadly strikes would boost?
it should yes, i haven't tested though
The only one that counts: do not buy the eso plus. Spend 50$ on cdkey and make your own guild with 10 alts, you will have a free, indefinite 2500 item bank. Then just slowly trade gold for crowns, buy all the expansions, profit
Gr8 job mate. Gr8 video
thanks!
Be cool for a detailed video on parsing
Tfw *channeled* acceleration is a castttime ability and not a channeled ability.
hahaha yeah that one is confusing. i guess cast time acceleration doesn't have the same ring to it.
Awesome video, I have had many conversations based on these topics. Glad to see someone with a larger platform using it to correct this misinformation as well. :D
Amazing video!
Thanks!
I wonder how the maelstrom bow works. I have it on my back bar but the bow ability it buffs is obviously an aoe
arena weapons will continue buffing an ability even if you swap bars. as long as that ability is slotted on the bar that the arena weapon is on
@@skinnycheeks replying to a comment on a 2 month old video. My man
mundus stone effect increases the effect of the stone so if i have the thief then it will give me even moore spell critical?
not sure what you mean by "mundus stone effect increases the effect of the stone" but yes the thief gives you more spell crit
@@skinnycheeks that effect you have on gear increases mundus stone effect ao it means that the thief will give me even moore spell critical
@@89MTN are you talking about the divines trait? If so, yes it increases whatever mundus stone you have selected
@@skinnycheeks now its black magic for me what are divine traits and how to get it and do it