Valves Trading Card Game Artifact Loses 97% Of Playerbase
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- It's sad to see another competitor to magic the gathering fail so quickly but I think it's safe to say that Artifact Is Over
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UnsleevedMedia you can play full matches on arena you have 3 options play traditional play and I believe events
There are several formats in Arena that are best of 3 with sideboarding. Wizards has announced that they will add a bo3 format to the unranked constructed (just mash play) button in the near future as well. The formats that fall under the competitive heading are all bo3.
Hey Jeremy, I just wanted to relate how my friend and I have ended up looking at TCGs. The two of us played YuGiOh for quite a while. We went from YuGiOh to Heroclix, then I got back into MTG (hadn't played since high school).
I loved each game I played. One thing though was in the past I had gotten into a couple of other competitive card games only to be disappointing. My disappointment came from games like the Naruto TCG, One Piece TCG and the old variant of the Dragon ball Z TCG.
With the exception of the Dragon ball Z TCG, the other two did not have a competitive scene. I would pick up these games only to find out none of my friends were willing to invest in them. Biggest reason is they didn't have any tournaments being held for these games.
To the point if a game doesn't have some sort of tournament play already being held at my LGS, then why would I or anyone else buy into it? If you want competition then players need to be there. MTG, YuGiOh and Pokemon just have a strangle hold on players. There is no room for another TCG, even if it is superior in every way to the old ones.
@SCOTT SLATER I have thought about trying it. It certainly has been out long enough and gathered a strong enough fan base.
@SCOTT SLATER I will give it a look.
I guess they are running out of steam
Oof
Even the card game I made when I was 12 has more users.
Im one of them. Never played artifact though.
what game?
I used to make card game too when i was a kid!
Hey there Blizzard employee who made Hearthstone.
This isn't sad news. Its FANTASTIC news.
Artifact doubled down on anti-consumerism. It's like saying its 'sad that Star Wars Battlefront 2 removed their pay to win loot boxes and other games had to hold back as a result". Sometimes failure is GREAT news.
This is Valve remember...they can afford to miss and stay afloat. No harm done.
MTGA was executed really well in my opinion. Ive spent $0 and I can play competitivly and get free drafts every week. I'm not sure how long that business model will make them money, but I'm going to enjoy it for now. It seems to be pulling in a lot of pro Hearthstone streamers which will help fill the playerbase.
easily, It takes 5 packs for a rare wildcard and you start out with a good amount of them. the decks you start the game with for free all contain at least one highly played rare/mythic too.
@Xaxa xa 20 rares wildcards can be farmed in a month, if you are good at constructed event even less
Xaxa xa
I also have not spent a dime on MTGA. They give you a free draft+ 3 booster packs each week, assuming you play every 2-3 days. They also gave 3 free codes like PlayRavnica/PlayAllegiance which gave even more packs. They also include a mythic card each of the 10 starter decks they give you separate from the cards they give you for completing the tutorial.
Jeremy here probably has not heard, but MTGA actually listened to its customers and are adding ranked best of 3 + solved the fifth card problem.
When in doubt go mono blue Tempo, it goes horrible against: RDW, white+Boros weenies but okay against everything else.
Mono blue tempo is mainly uncommons and commons, where only tempest jhinn is your rare.
League of Legends basically has the same business model , and look at them drown in money.
The model works as long as they have solid number of loyal players, which i think isn't gonna be difficult in the case of sth as renown as MTG
Hey thanks for those codes I had o idea they released more.
And I also play it never spend money there and now have around 10 fun (mayby not competetive) pretty elaborate, wanky decks wich take quite a few rares and mythics with no particular grind.
Tho I wouldn't say they solved the fifth card problem, throwing scraps at the player every 900(!!!) duplicates is hardly a solution, if it was once 100-150 I would be fine with it but that's just stupidly over the top.
It was a game for no one.
Every competitor is F2P. This is 20 bucks just to get your feet wet.
It has such poor performance that it's unplayable on PCs over 2 years old.
The art on the cards is boring and mediocre.
The layout of the cards makes them look cheap, proxies people print out for home games have more effort put into looking good.
The mechanics and interactions between the cards are less interesting than cards from the first sets of MtG.
It's based off DotA but it's a card game so why would DotA players play it over DotA?
It's a "casual" card game that takes extremely long due to the three lane system.
It's "competitive" but the three lanes, along with other mechanics, make it the most RNG-filled TCG of all time.
The dev team is completely unresponsive, only sinking confidence lower. Nobody likes this game. Nobody even PLAYS this game. It exists only to be mocked.
It is so dead that it has ruined peoples' careers and has less viewers than European Truck Simulator.
Just a side note, my son loves a lot of the European Truck Simulators!
ETS2 is a great chill game after work.
yeah, don't underestimate truck simulators, I remember when I played 18 wheels of steel, I had a ton of fun
If a digital card game, that is true. If physical, there's cheaper choices with most hitting under 15 dollars.
And for interaction of cards... I have seen better from Pokémon than this game!
The key problem is that you cannot play it without payment, payment and more payment. Its safe to say thas HS is pay-to-win (unless you played for years), but Shittifact is pay-to-play. Nope. I refuse.
Gwent hit a real low after this summer but I gather it has been picking itself up again slowly this winter with a new passionate game director and some good updates and upcoming new content. I'd be thrilled to see it thrive.
Well said.
Yeah, Gwent is a great game, tho they definitely look like they are still in a state of sort-of-beta.
@@merlinwinter7254 But you can play it 100% for free. It's not that they ask for money for something which is not completely polished. You pay only if you want to.
Gwent is also more fun to play.
@@stealth3685 well, in a sense. I do notice that Gwent seems more skills based, as in, a good Gwent player can win matches quite reliably, while in MtG, good players regularly get screwed by land issues.
Recent Dota auto chess is a bigger success than artifact.
I'm like 90% sure it stole a bunch of the artifact players honestly
Auto Chess is dope!
yup same rng shit which is kinda fun you can lose 10 rounds earlly and comeback with cash saves buying only combo pieces and rerolling at 11 round like crazy.
You can choose to play best of 3 in arena. It is a less populated feature but its there for the old heads.
I think he was saying that because ranked ladder is what the large populous will be playing, BUT something he didn't mention is that Best of 3 IS infact going to ranked ladder in February so now there is no excuse.
Pokemon TCG Online is how it should be done. You can't even give the application any payment information. In order to "buy" cards you either earn points through wins or buy the actual cards and enter a serial or scan a QR code.
Thats rights man, you do NOT need to buy the cards twice, it is a great business model in my eyes....
I know this is an old video, but back in the day, this news made me smile so much. That game was asking to fail from day 0.
MTGA has several modes where you can play constructed with sideboard, as well as a constructed Bo3 ranked mode coming at the end of the month, little sloppy on your research there brother. There has been Bo3 modes since beta. Overall I like your videos, but you often slam other people for their lack of research and/or them intentionally not including something, so it was sad to see you do the same thing. Best wishes.
Edit for 1 word.
This is the quality content that I have subscribed for.
So Jeremy, Arena does have best of 3, you have to play the competitive events. Only the quick play events and quick play ladder are best of 1.
You CAN play best of 3 in Arena.
There is a small button near the top-right corner of the menu screen labelled "all play modes". Click that and then when choosing which game to play choose "Traditional Play".
Voilà, you can play Bo3 with sideboard.
Still, some events are Bo1 only.
I feel like mtga has actually attracted more people to magic overall. There are 5 new regulars at fnm that started playing magic because of arena. Also arena has bo3 you just have to toggle the slider
That's what happened to me. I'm a mtg noob, started back in September, got into arena, and started to build decks in real life that I like in arena.
I haven't been to fnm yet because I'm too nervous but I just attended a ravnica allegiance pre release event last weekend.
Not sure if you just haven't seen Arena lately, but there are some best-of-3 ways to play, from casual to constructed and probably some "sealed." Just keeping on about how Arena is only best-of-1 cheapens the rest of the experience others may have.
They are taking ranked to best of 3 starting next week. This was announced a while ago, beginning of january i think. Huge fan and i know you dont follow magic the way you used to but its a bummer to be more in the know then the guy your getting news from. Also Bo3 has been in the game with sideboard since launch(of open beta at least), just not as a ranked mode and they are adding the ranked mode next week like I said.
Also can you do arena videos? Cause that would be awesome to see you try out some decks!
im glad to see the support coming your way , you should consider a way to link unsleeved to exclusively games. Take exclusively games game suggestions then try and discuss on unsleeved
I'm currently developing my own trading card game and living card game this year. An d I'm taking notes at the failure of artifact hopefully I'll be able to fill the hunger of interested consumers. Unfortunately army the moment I am in able to to create a digital variant of either game and currently sticking to table top.
Whoa first view. Love the content I'm a new viewer as of today, I've been watching your channel since 9am today. I hope you keep putting out the truth.
Bo3 was announced in ranked mode for the next season!
Ranked play on Arena is a best of 3 with sideboarding. Its been in the game for awhile now.
I dont know, many of modes on arena are with sideboard - at least draft and just play, not sure about ranked
You can play several best of 3 modes with a sideboard. Sure, the ladder is best of one (like hearthstone) but best of three modes are in the game too (with a sideboard).
Jeremy, Magic Arena DOES include a best of 3 sideboard game mode.
I play Arena and I haven't played paper Magic since the days of my weekly struggle to come up with a control deck that could consistently beat Arcbound Ravager (then giving in and playing Arcbound)
What is a SIDE BOARD?
Just throwing this out there. In Bo1 in Arena, RDW takes over, there are control decks, but its mostly RDW.
"Can a new card game enter the market", Final Fantasy card game is from just over a year before it and is doing really well. As for the past few years, I am living in Asia at the moment and Force of Will is massive.
I tried to smash the Like and Subscribed buttons and my display is now broken. See you in court, Jeremy!
Can anyone achieve success in online card games?
Answer: We haven't even come close to exploring what's possible in the genre.
For example: We don't have a single TRULY free to play friendly card game from a major IP. A game without loot boxes (packs) of any kind. A game that learns from Warframe or Path of Exile by ONLY SELLING COSMETICS.
Create a Hearthstone alternative where the ENTIRE collection is freely available to everyone. Make the game hyper competitive and hyper balanced with frequent balance changes. Make your money by selling golden cards, unique boards, unique animations, unique music, etc.
Problem is that what you're making isn't a card game anymore. It's dota with different mechanics.
@@AndrewChumKaser Don't be silly Its still a card game. Its just that this time everyone has the experience that you'd see top streamers and youtubers and whales have. So when a player sees a fun and cool deck type they can build it instantly without spending a dime and have fun right away.
When I still played Hearthstone I would buy the pre-order every set and with my saved up gold I could unlock about 85% of the set. I was largely able to play the free to play model I'm suggesting and this didn't ruin the card game experience one bit for me. I currently play The Elder Scrolls Legends and I got into that game on day one...I've been able to keep up with those collections for free the entire time but I occasionally spend money to buy all premium 'adventure' sets. I play against plenty of other people using all premium of that set as well so the 'cosmetic' approach seems to have some merit.
Maybe it would fail miserably....but I think its at least worth a shot.
The game play reminds me of deck heroes and its something that won't be playing over one month
I got a hearthstone ad before this video lol
Slay the spire best card game I've played in ages
Magic Arena has a bo3 free mode and a bo3 Constructed Even, and bo3 Draft. It's not just bo1. Furthermore, there are week-end events like pauper and singleton.
Saying that card games in general are a dead / dying genre because of Artifact bombing, is like saying that sci-fi & RPG games are dying out because of Mass Effect Andromeda, Star Wars: Battlefront II & Fallout 76 bombing. Cmon, Jeremy, you know better than that.
We just don't get good, non-predatory card games atm.
Are you keen to make a video on Gwent, the Witcher card game? In terms of gameplay mechanics, it does stand out quite a bit from the other TCGs.
League Of Legends just released their own CCG.
It was an interesting thought: "We want casual money. ...Make a game you can get a full collection in for only $200!" Only problem is they cut out the whales (very tiny percent, but big money) and they cut out the casual/free playerbase that keeps the game rolling. No players means no marketplace. If it wasn't $20 up front AND buy cards as you need them, and there was some CCG component to it, I might have bitten. As is, it'd need to be $5-10 for me to even try it for the return period. But now Shadowverse AND Eternal have dwarfed Valve's brainchild. Sad days.
If nothing else, this is just proof positive that no, a TCG cannot survive/thrive on McDonalds/Starbucks income-based players alone. Much as they'd like to insist otherwise. Steam's so widely adopted that there was really no better place to even try a monetization system like this. And it flopped, hard.
They should make a card game playable in steam overlay, so you can do something while waiting on load screens.
Hey man this is the 2nd or 3rd time that I've heard you say that MTG: Arena has no sideboarding. This is not true. The game offers different modes you can play in. There's best of 1 and there's best of 3. Even ranked play is going to include best of 3 (and sideboarding). You should check out the game again before mentioning it in another video. Thanks for the awesome work.
Be nice for Magic Arena make it an option to play best of three or just the one game per opponent
I think we will find magic is growing right now. Twitch streamer counts are on the rise and arena has a huge player base. I alone know a couple of brand new players. That's not to say they will become long term wotc cashcows but we will see
Thank goodness that this happened. They should make half life 3 or a brand new game high budget.
I think that big reveal presentation was the first thing that killed artifact. All that pomp for something that there was no market from Valve's fanbase, and paywalling it did not help in the slightest.
Vanguard is pretty new compared to the othera and its pretty good
I mean, I always assumed there were only a couple dozen players on Magic Online at any given moment.
Come join me and play some Force of Will!
Blizzard: Releases 3 timeless RTS games setting the lore of Warcraft.
Goes on to make a game based further in the future after those games and sets it as an MMO, rolling off the success of Warcraft gaining upto 1 million players in the first month (game changing)
Has at its peak 10million subscribers, has been going for 13 + years and a lot of people have even one memory of it.
Goes on to release Hearthstone based around the deep and rich lore, with a lot of people who would have been interested in this
Steam: Hearthstone makes a lot of money, better make a difficult card game based around a cult moba that has a niché customer base and make it not f2p and make the contents of the game also monetized
Wonders why they lose 97% of the player base.
bo3 exists in mtga! :) Always have been an option, and a fair share of people play it. As of feb, it will be available for ranked constructed too as opposed to just leagues
best of 3 ranked goes live in 9 days on mtga
I didn't even know this game existed.
And who expected this?
Lol. I was excited to play it, but even I was skeptical about the hype.
Most DotA players.
Dota players hated it.
@@jorgamund07 dota players literally boo'ed when the intro was launched at the dota tournament
I didnt even know artifact was a thing
Richard Garfield has multiple failed projects.
he has been involved in two other digital card games and they have both failed. He might know a thing or two about physical board/card games but his digital game track record is awful
I don’t agree with “arena killing LGS”... on my prerelease there was a lot of new comers who wanted to check out paper magic. Of course they got destroyed on the sealed, but I felt they was having fun just hanging around with other players
Again you ignore the fact that MTGA is not just best of 1
The upcoming "Kards" game looks promising.
Can you still at least play EDH with friends at a shop or home, etc? Hope so
I would love to see a great deck building game like Dominion online. Are there any? So many try copying Magic, but always just fall short of being as good as MTG.
I don't think Arena is taking from the LGS. Arena actually got me back into magic because there is no LGS near enough for me to go play casually. Most magic heads are only going to the LGS on Friday nights and weekends anyway and arena gives them an option to get some games in without travel throughout the week
I played Hearthstone first, and moved to MTG after and if felt like a natural progression. Looking at going the other way would feel like going backwards in complexity. Maybe not everyone's experience but I feel like anything that mimics MTG, even just a little, will feel like a substitute. Same thing happened when I played any MMO other than WoW.
This is oddly similar to yong's video especially the player statistic number
help us warhammer your our only hope
I know like 10 people at my lgs who started playing magic last 6 months because of arena
It should have been free to play. I mean, you have to buy the packs. What on earth were they thinking? Especially releasing right at Magic Arena went public.
should have made it free to play
I don't think mtg arena is replacing local stores. I just feel like it's an alternative. MTG online never replaced LGS
I still cry 23 hours a day because of the loss of BlockBuster. The other hour is reserved for pooping.
I need something wholesome, brother! Too much shit happening these days, open a MTG box or something. We wanna see you happy and enjoying things too ya know.
It does do best of 3 bro depends what you're plying
It's a shame as I really enjoy the gameplay. They made some really bad decisions at the launch, also getting out a huge CS:GO Update 2 weeks later was not too smart. Even tho you would expect that VALVE was capable to push this game through.
I think it is still possible. They just really bungled artifact from top to bottom. From economic model, to not making the game good enough.
that is the big thing here, the economic model turns people away, but the underlying game isn't good enough either. There have been better card games that failed in recent years that kind tried thing like it (Duelyst & Scrolls)
Fans: We want a new TF2 update!
Valve: Nah. *Makes Dota spinoff*
Fans: *Doesn’t play it, game becomes less popular than TF2*
Valve: *Suprised Pikachu*
mabye its because most people don't want to get a second job just to support a game. (most TCG's are dipping in sales) (points to the poverty rate in California as just a small example of how much money their player base does not have)
It's almost like they didn't want it to do well...what can you expect from a company that includes easily-exploited cards with its games from its own store?
Well for me it's pretty much MTG:A or nothing. My LGS shut its doors a few years ago simply because the owner didn't want to run it anymore. Other stores in the area that sell MTG do so as a sort of side business and are not really equipped to facilitate players in their stores (no tables) let alone run tournaments or anything, only one of them even sells single cards. As a result I've moved to magic duels and then onto MTG:A, on the upside there is way less clutter from the digital game. I would support my LGS but I don't really have one that supports me, which is odd for a city of 400K.
Just make a trading card game which has all the cards in game and no micro transactions and I will go over to it. Still rocking yu gi oh on game boy to this day waiting for a replacement
I'm simply NEVER going to buy digital cards that can just be deleted at will. Ain't happening lol. Maybe if they posted physical cards with in game codes it'd be different
Not to be tiring, but it's somewhat interesting as a Yugioh player learning that Magic and Heartstone player numbers are dropping. On our end, every single tournament has been breaking records for attendance numbers, and the game as a whole is healthier than ever, even tho there are 100% free online programs that give you access to every single card in the game.
The point being that...I don't think physical TCGs and hobby stores are dying, but they might be changing what games people go there for.
Yeah.... So, Valve... You know how you get some players back??
*MAKE GODSDAMN HL2 EPISODE 3!*
i wonder if valve will continue to work on artifact. it isn't dead until devs give up and close servers. I haven't played for a long time because the game was fun before people found a meta and started net decking and copying cookie cutter strats. I feel like if the devs keep at it it can turn around tbh
Artifact is Artifucked
Eternal forever.
I'm sure 100 peeps already told you, but sideboard is in.
Mtg arena has sideboard, its only some modes that do not have it.
With their wack price model, they have no one to blame but themselves...
@Xaxa xa And as time goes on and more sets come out, that number will only go up. If you need to buy a membership, buy packs, and have no feasible way to acquire free cards, your online card game might as well be dead on arrival. There's just too much competition out there that you're potential customer would move on to. And it seems like a majority of them already have. On the flip side, if you feel this game will survive long term and gain in popularity, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to buy everything sometime in the near future.
My wife calls you "my conspiracy theorist guy." I call you my dude Jeremy. Keep up the great reporting man.
As a long time MTG player, arena is trash and paper is the only social form and proper way to play a game of its caliber and intricacy, but I hope Arena acts as a good gateway product for players to be introduced to the game without the competitive upfront nature of the game store. Also acts as a good support product for FNM draft practice outside the game store. Long live LGS' baby :)
Not hating but when a video is 10:01 in length, it's pretty safe to expect Belgian waffles.
There is no magic the gathering without the LGS.
MTG can't compete with actual videogames.
feels bad. i put a good 60 hours in before dropping it. mtg arena FTW
I'll keep saying this until its in game. Make the heros physical cards that are dropped into your hand when they "respawn" after being killed. Let me place my heros on the board where I want so they don't keep getting rng dropped in front of the same sven or axe that one shot my blue heros the turn before!!!
Article reading at it's best. Can we do newspaper readings too? j/k
Well maybe it lost most of its playerbase, but having more than 1,5k players playing at same time is still good enough to play it. Valve have last chance to save this game before this number drops even lower.
Also, as for MTGA stealing players from LGSs, I came back to my LGS for the first time since Battle for Zendikar BECAUSE of MTGA. I think you'll see the opposite that MTGA is going to BRING players to paper.
This game had a metacritic score of *76* ... let that sink in
LOL
the problem with mtg is they honestly think what the consumer wants is pay 2 win and gambling. and its not it only pushs's people away because they are notw illing to pay 70-200$ to pull a chaise card, or pay 50$ for a single card xD
I forget gwent existed.
The reason trading card games are on decline digitally is most devs just want to make a quick buck. Animation is key when i play a dragon i should see a dragon not a card of a dragon. When attack with a dragon the dragon should do somthing cool. Thats my 2 cents