Let's Talk About Nadu
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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There is no greater sign of power creep than a bird that can't be bolted.
You can even bolt your own bird to draw a card.
My brother in God, what has this world come to
These wise words can only come from a seasoned master sage.
Dies to removed lol
Just wait for them to target nadu themselves once or twice and have more than one removal spell in your deck. He is not that crazy
Something else that makes Nadu stupid is that if it is flickered or bounced, all instances of the effect it gives are reset, even though the creatures getting the effect from Nadu are the same.
Maybe make it perpetual
@@RollingCalf paper magic doesn't have perpetual, this is an irl set, not an arena exclusive
@@Hyenadont they gonna have to take a page from yugioh and start doing "hard" once per turns. or in this case twice per turn.
@@AshyCat a hard once per turn doesn't work with the rules as they are and it would take a massive rework of a LOT of rules to do so, potentially bricking hundreds if not thousands of cards.
What would have helped is templating the card properly! Instead of giving the ability to all creatures, just have the ability itself apply to all creatures, that way it can only trigger twice no matter how many creatures you play, and you have to actually work to make it multiplicative
@@Hyenadont im curious as to why it doesnt work with the rules, idk much about the more intricacies of magic. in yugioh they put on the card "this effect can be used once per turn and only once each turn" there are rules that would stop that?
It’s wild they printed Nadu like this when they knew triggering off of your own abilities was bad in 2013 when they made Heroic.
Yeah. Pretty sure Cephalid Breakfast has been a thing for like a decade and a half and this is the first time they have printed something that triggers off being targeted by your own abilities since.
Even with an alternate text of "Pay 6 colorless mana, draw 6 cards" it would still be wildly broken. That's with just a simple equipment of equip cost 1. Even if they replace most of the payoff on the card with "Scry 1", that becomes "Pay 6 colorless mana, Scry 6", which is bearable but dangerous. That assumes WotC has the stones to actually ERRATA a popular card rather than outright banning it, which they've so far said many times they won't do, even when the health of the format is at stake.
"But maybe it'll be fine now!"
And if the rumours for Bloomburrow are true they're bringing back Heroic too xD
I don't like how in LotR we got a really good new anti-creature tool in Stern Scolding and anti-card advantage tool in Orcish Bowmasters and Nadu cares about neither. It feels like we're getting weirdly templated, over-stated creatures in order to beat all of the answer cards that were created to deal with the last generation of nonsense (Stern Scolding was designed when Lurrus was legal in Modern.)
It's almost like they're printing increasingly degenerate cards to turn eternal formats into rotating ones by forcing people to buy the new stuff or get stomped!
We have gone past Commanders that are both the setup and the payoff and now we just have The Payoff™ (to playing the game in any way).
New Simic templating:
1UG - Legendary Creature - Type.
Keyword. Keyword.
Whenever you Unga, Bunga.
(1) - Unga.
3/4
@@51gunner One of the best comments I've read in this year. My god HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
Currently on a forced hiatus from the game. This card may well be the final reason I am not going back. Seriously, are they even thinking? The next logical step in this cycle of power creep are blanket disablers: Whenever something would happen from anywhere, stop that thing from happening, but only x times this round. Just so we can still have games of several turns.
Idk, Nadu is at least a 3 card combo, plenty of commanders are 2 card combo's. Prosh, and Ghave for example are like 10 different types of 2 card combo's.
@@atk9989Niv Mizzet can freaking kill off of a single enchantment, so you do have a point
"the paint drying is also trying to kill you" :D
it's lead paint.... it'll kill you. eventually....
Whose idea was it to have it trigger twice? Is this a skull clamp situation?
As though having it only trigger once was entirely too weak so you had to let the simic deck trigger on every creature twice...
@anthonydelfino6171 did they playtest this at all lol
@@Billchu13I don't think they've had a playtesting department for years even with all the money that Hasbro is making off them. If they do, then it's clearly inadequately staffed and/or overwhelmed by the absurd amount of constant product to miss something as egregious as this.
@@anthonydelfino6171 One trigger per creature would have made it look like just a powerful card. But wotc always goes for the custom card feel when it comes to simic. I saw Nadu play and it doesn't feel like it should belong in this game: why the fuck is your 3 drop drawing your whole deck in one turn and dropping 20 untapped lands?
You can use Shuko as well as Lightning Greaves, which might give you effectively 8 0 equip in the deck.... and the shroud on your Nadu keeps it safe from removal
Hi Vince!
I run the cEDH Discord for my city (and a few other surrounding cities as well) and we had practice for an upcoming tournament this past Tuesday. We had 1 Nadu player. While some people complain about ThOracle in cEDH, I wholeheartedly believe Nadu is worse for the same reasons you stated in your video. ThOracle will inevitably end the game, while Nadu takes 10 - 15 minute turns. Out of the 4 games we had against the Nadu player, he won 0. However, he did run down the clock and cause 2 rounds to go to time. I don't mind cool combo decks as long as they have a definitive way to win. Nadu does not, and watching the Nadu player take long turns unable to exactly say "Okay, I can win now" I think will cause some discussion in the Commander RC, especially for casual play.
Okay so the problem is that he isn't good enough for cEDH but his turns take a long time? There are dozens of casual commanders whose turns take a ridiculous amount of time. My friends and I did a $50 budget challenge recently and one player built an Alaundo deck that takes 10 minute turns on EVERYBODY'S turn. This play pattern has existed for years alongside much worse play patterns. The issue with Nadu is blown way out of proportion - they are not the strongest card to be released and they are not the most annoying card to be released. If the RC makes a ruling on it I couldn't do anything but shake my head at how fragile the playerbase is.
@eewweeppkk fragile? I mean, you kind of displayed that yourself with this comment, but sure. No, the problem is his play patterns are repetitive and not enjoyable being the one (or ones) across from it. Especially in a competitive format like Modern, the time in rounds are there for a reason, and Nadu abusing almost all of it is not conducive for a fun, enjoyable environment.
@@DGDevastation No need to take it personally, buddy. Once gain - there are dozens of commanders that have repetitive play patterns. There are dozens of commanders that are more powerful than Nadu. The meta game hasn't even had a chance to adjust. Anyone calling for a ban is doing so purely based on emotion and with disregard to the rest of the cards that have been left untouched for years. I don't know if it should get booted out of modern - I'm saying commander because you brought up cEDH.
"He's not fun" is a laughable point. Neither is Sen Triplets or Zo-Zu.
I don't know why, every nadu player I meet, in "CASUAL" edh, always end out solo win at turn 3, and taking 20 minutes++ for waiting him done...
I’ve been playing a CEDH Nadu list recently and have gotten insanely quick with the deck because I made a custom mat. Has two vertical bars on it and in the three columns I have “Two triggers,” “One trigger,” and “Done.” Makes it clean, easy to process for everyone, just good all around. And people playing against it? Honestly counter the first Nadu cast, or counter/destroy the Shuko, Lightning Greaves, and Umbral Mantle. Killing the equipment will go a LONG way as recursion isn’t really much of a thing in the Nadu lists being played aside Endurance.
It feels like they had the once per turn clause when it was only on nardu and two different people were like “damn this feels weak…” and changed it without consulting each other. So one made it every creature once each turn and the other made it twice each turn.
The convo around Nadu and pace of play has been really interesting to listen to. Having played it in commander (no local modern and no modo account) has been a similar amount of issue, all the wheel turning and people waiting for it to whiff. But it's interesting when you compare to other games like Pokémon where the game is basically solitaire (I'm aware people play Magic partially because it isn't that).
Also, as for deck out of the format, the new DnT seems really fun, and the Warren Soultrader deck looks really cool. Again, haven't played, but having watched seem fun
Even though I clicked on this video and knew this card was problematic, my mind still inserted "of a spell or ability *an opponent controls*" into the text to make it make sense.
This card single handily made a bottom of the barrel equipment raise in price to 25 or over. Really says a lot of how busted this is.
Remember when Wild Nacatl and Kird ape were busted?
Kinda miss those days. I feel like the run of cards from around Lorwyn/alara to the first innistrad were all a great level of power, Mirrodon included, even if it was a tad pushed. There was a great power balance then.
Idk exactly when it fell off, but I feel like that 3-6 year run of MTG was some of the best I personally got to play in.
Nardu is tearing up 1v1 commander. I've lost so many games to it already
1 v 1 commander aint it is why
yeah my light paws deck can win by turn 4 and nadu just beats the pants off it and i cant even target it or it gets more triggers and prickly bill just makes it go off like crazy
Yeah this card is just stupid especially as commander. It really should have been nerfed to at least "once per creature, lands enter tapped". Even then it is still great especially on instant speed effects during other turns.
Another possible nerf would to make a land centric card where instead of add to hand you scry non-lands
It's been banned in Duel Commander. That's the version most people play in paper.
It's not hard to beat at all in my experience 1v1. I play many Orzhov / Mardu and the bird takes an absolute pummeling. Mt most recent game Shadrix vs Nadir they wiffed a few times and just threw to my board state and removal
For having played it on paper exclusively, it really isn’t long to resolve it lol. You can go through the motions pretty quickly and cleanely as long as you're clear about what you're doing. Past a certain point people scoop because it becomes deterministic, especially if you cast a second nantuko. Mtgo is a clicking nightmare and no shortcuts can be offered to make it faster
As someone who has played a lot of yawg and now Nadu on mtgo, its not that bad. As long as you set up your auto yields for each trigger then you can execute it pretty quickly. I haven't had any problems with going to time.
I cannot get over the fact that if they had made Nadu's ability only pop on spells or abilities opponent's control it would immediately go from broken to just pretty good.
The One Ring is never going to be banned.
Best nadu video so far, especially before PT
I still remember back when during my youth, the crazy (at the time) stuff rocking the boat out of tempest block. Exodus was considered the most wild set at the time, with stuff like Recurring nightmare, hatred, mind over matter. Then Urza Block hit and we all lost our damn minds (though as a kid it felt fun to mail banned cards to wotc in exchange for boosters).
But stuff like ho-boy-gaak and "Nah-dude" Nadu... my middle school self could have never predicted this kind of BS lol
I like the closing statements here a lot. The idea of modern growing into a bit of a matchup-based rock paper scissor top set of decks could be fun, as long as they dont STAY the top decks, and things work around it. Let the deck be around for a cluple month so we can see kf its as unstoppable as we think ...but no longer.
The main issue with Nadu isn't it's win rate, it's how fucking boring it is to play against. Non deterministic combos have no place in the format
This damn Bird!
( plays Hogaak.)
Damn that Hogaak.
I want to see a commander game with Nadu against Horobi, Death’s Wail and see who shits themselves first.
I could see a resurgence of sideboard all-star Suppression Field to punish nadu decks, alongside Tunnel Ignus
But that makes me wonder: what do other colors have to deal with Nadu trying to go off?
its kind of hard to argue that its not time to start restricting cards in non-vintage formats.
The restriction of only one in the deck (or at least "cant be cast if you control a permanent named The One Ring" or something) should have been printed on The One Ring, but alas..
why
Oh look! Another bird that will fit nicely in my oops, all birbs or hydra lands deck :3c
I just hope they don't ban The One Ring because that will lead to a bunch of dumb clickbait articles and "thinkpieces" where people talk half-ass about LotR lore
9:52 This is a good point, but Nadu turns practically everything into a top.
the time thing seems like a possible legit complaint for modo, but people choose to not concede. In paper people will concede because its the same with the druid combo deck. its not even going faster than turn 3 so I don't see it being banned tbh
Pro tour finals gonna be Nadu vs. Nadu
Yes
I think (and I understand why they dont do this ofc) NEW cards should always be prioritised for bans unless "the problem" is clearly CLEARL Y the established card, otherwise one design mistake just takes out a lot of innocent bystanders
Heres the thing in yugioh there are cards banned not to do strength but to do drawing out tournament lenght. If nadu makes games long enough it should be banned
Good analysis Vince. I am under the impression wotc will ban the card sooner or later, but their reasoning for bans has been inconsistent in the past years (power level vs unfun play pattetn).
I vote to have you play Ruby Storm for a video or two. Mono red storm seems fun!
This card should have been limited to "you may play that card this turn" without the land ability at all. Lands are typically the only thing stopping the top of deck abilities from going infinite.
Nadu is strong but there are plenty of hate cards. I expect the return of Surgical Extraction in sideboards and possibly even in main decks. As other people have been saying, I love the Harsh Mentor tech.
I can't for the life of me really understand 2 things about this card specifically. First of all, why twice per turn? It's such an odd stipulation that just gives it unnecessarily high potency. Like, this solves nothing about it's design space. Blinking Nadu is still a thing for people to get around the restriction, so just pretend like you're trying. This thing deserves to whiff more than it's allowed to ignore with how it is. If they wanted this restriction at twice to actually mean anything, you'd have to go full Yu-Gi-Oh, just straight up phrase it as precisely as possible like "You can only activate this effect granted by a Nadu, Winged Wisdom twice per turn" or something, which I don't think anyone wants. Secondly, why do the lands go untapped? That's just asking, begging for trouble in the most obvious way imaginable. It's truly the sign of something rancid abrewin', when even I could take one good look at this thing, and on first glance go "Ew, this thing is kinda gross".
Run Afoul is probably way too narrow for sideboards, but it is a 1-mana, instant-speed, non-targetting way to get Nadu off the board (assuming there's no Teferi/OneRing protections).
UB mill makes nadu scoop on turn zero if you archive trap and surgical it
The problem is Natu, because it can combo with many cards, the other ones doesn't do that much by themself. If they ban shuko, then people will play outrider, if they also ban outrider, people will play puresteel paladin, and so on until each posible card is banned.
The same goes for nantuko, there are cards that basically do the same, like felidar retreat or scute swarm. So the most logic option and best one is to simply ban Natu and the problem no longer exists. Other options are banning teferi so people people who like the deck can still play it but you can interact during the combo and stop it.
11:28 you made me spit toothpaste everywhere you bastard.
Just why does it work off your own creatures. It triggering only twice each turn, lands entering untapped, resetting when they are blinked is all mad but if you couldn't trigger it yourself its not a combo engine it just a strange protection piece, like I originally thought it was till someone not dyslexic read the card for me😅
I think I know the answer as Tunnel Ignus has only 1 printing and is only 1usd by TCG. Does Tunnel Ignus see any other play?
We shouldnt have niche cards in the sideboard to solve 1 (ONE) specific problem card: Nadu.
About roman numerals. Romans had fractional ways to measure, which sadly were based on 1/12 or a uncia (meaning 'ounce').
Many of the following names are based on how the fractions reduced: sextan, quadrans, triens are 1/6, 1/4 and 1/3 respectively.
So 6/12 or 1/2 is a semis. I don’t know if you can say “II S” or how to properly express 2.5. Clearly uncia were used for volumes/mass/lengths and maybe not integrated in any other way? (I’m not a roman scholar, just doing some light searching)
*checks price of Shuko* ...holy balls I've gotta find my BoK bulk
What do you think about the Wheel of Potential drawing infinite cards for free (just casting the spell), because of the rulesinteraction (you can declare x to be 'what ever you want' and then just dont pay the energy, because its a 'may')? :-)
11:27 PK tellin it how it is! 🗣🔥
I think it may get a commander ban…I’ve seen it in “casual” games and it’s not pretty.
If you are running dimir then there are 2 cards I know of to mess with it.
One called horobi and one called dismiss into dreams.
I still dont understand why its "twice per turn" and not "once per turn", you know given that its given to each creature and is easily resetable as flickering the nadu resets all creatures.
My opponent played it in Amulet Titan at my lgs. It was gross. It got him 6 more cards before I could do anything, then the next turn killed me with two hasted Titans one equipped with Shuko to get me exactly at 17. He even ran the One Ring, it was absurdly busted.
Wizards hates the play pattern of nondeterministic combos that take time to execute. If Nadu is actually good, they'll ban it, whether it's better than Hogaak or not. It's also easily cheatable because it's annoying to track how many times the ability has triggered per permanent.
Wotc cant figure out how balance simic cards. They want to pretend that the cards are tested, but time and time again, the simic cards they put out are breaking formats
LOL I tried the One Ring in a few of my decks but I'm disgusted by how powerful it is so I don't use it ;p
there are curses and other enchantments that punish people for putting multiple creatures into play and casting.
Trespasser's Curse
Yeah, but answers to Nadu (like Tunnel Ignus) are so specific that they don't do anything against any other deck. You're just building a deck that can beat Nadu (not guaranteed btw) and loses to everything else
@@florinalinmarginean1135 fair, i guess it’s better to play symmetrical cards
Can't they just errata it to say that the ability only takes effect twice regardless of the number of creatures
They *should* make it "twice per turn"; I agree.
I bought this for my bird deck...Used it one game where I had no artifacts to abuse it and it wasn't a problem...Next game I used artifacts and token generation and this card was cracked beyond belief...It's way too strong for my casual opponents.
I imagine Nadu wouldn’t be banned due to power level reasons, the deck is reasonably powered compared to other things going on in Modern, rather, it might be due to clunkiness and non-dererministic wins like say Second Sunrise or KCI.
What about lightning grieves? Doesnt it do the same but better than Shuko?
Lightning greaves make whatever they are equipped to untargetable. So if you only had 1 creature you can only equip once then they can't be targeted for the 2nd trigger.
Also Outrider en-Kor lets you combo at instant speed
"Not as bad as Hogaak"
Okay xD
Imagine a Nadu commander deck that runs Living Plane.
I mean Horobi counteracts partially Nadu, maybe a card for sideboards
As a cEDH player with Nadu in the 99: Not being able to quickly take your turn is a Pilot issue. You should know what your cards do, and what your plan of action will do. Have a good way to measure your triggers, and the appropriate amount of tokens/etc for the actions you want to be taking.
small edit: not every card translates to MTGO well, as well. Creature combo decks are definitely in this category, as they require many actions. I concede the point that this is better in Paper.
You should also mention the fact that it's also extremely problematic in EDH. Lightning Greaves exists, so the Shuko ban would not change anything. Also, because it's a multiplayer format, Nadu will trigger once again for each of the other players' turns. Prophet of Kruphix is banned in EDH, so is Paradox Engine and Golos, Tireless Pilgrim, which all have a similar vibe to the bird, all for their own reason. I think, and I really hope, that the Commander RC bans Nadu.
The more I hear about this Nadu fella, the less I care about them. Seems like a real jerk.
wizards fucked up bad with mh3. not only did they print nadu, but they also made more free spells, aswell as a storm deck that arguably is the most busted thing going right now.
This is why my favorite archetype is stax, and I D G A F how much they cry because they can't abuse their broken cards.
I've seen this being thrown into Hammertime and Amulet... i play Hammer, Mono White is still better, Nadu just gives you an alternative line to the Hammer, takes away from the main game plan but doesn't really solve any of the matchups or weaknesses of the deck. In Amulet it's a little clunky but Nantuko is amazing. The all in combo versions of the deck look good but not unbeatable.
Definitely not a Hogaak scenario but a powerful card. We have enough interaction in the format to keep it at bay and the deck struggles from having to play some bad cards to make it work.
I've played against it in paper and yeah honestly if this eats a ban it's cuz people take 10 min turns with it and it makes for a very poor viewing and playing experience. you do have to watch them and make sure they don't accidentally activate the same creature more than twice and all that, it's kinda like eggs, just super boring to be the opponent cuz you have to watch cuz I have seen it fizzle a couple times already.
honestly they just need to move one character on the card, and thats the quotation mark at the end.
Why would they put this on all creatures instead of simply saying whenever _A_ creature on your field is targeted? At least then you'd have to reset Nadu itself to get more value instead of simply playing another creature.
Does that mean confounding conundrum is actually good enough to see modern play?
Doesn’t stop anything
@@honestabe411 Wouldn't it stop all the extra land drops?
@@Sweetroll_Wolfie doesn’t stop mana production
@@honestabe411 Crap, you're right (although, you could benefit from being less vague) This bird being a whole kit in and of itself is a crime; they should enter tapped, and/or its other effect should be hard-capped at once-per-turn, and/or it shouldn't have such great stats for 3 mana and being able to grab everything and the kitchen sink!--This is insane value for a 3-mana card!
I could forgive Nadu being pushed af, but I can't forgive it for having the most dull Simic-style variation of "Draw, put down a land card". It's shameful on their end really for creating yet another Legendary with that effect as if there aren't a bunch of other Simic Legends with that.
I don't think banning supplementary pieces will manage this one. It's too obnoxious on its own.
I think Nadu should for sure be banned, not because its broken, not because it will warp the metagame around it like hogaak, not because theres no counterplay, but just because of time.
I’m not even sure that Nadu is definitely better than Ruby storm, but at least that deck will kill you when it goes off
Anhk of Mishra for the win!
So i was wondering why people keep talking about shuko with nadu but why aren't people mentioning lightning greaves too? It's also zero to equip
Because it costs 2 mana, can't be found off of Saga, ans because of the way Shroud works - it can't double equip to a lone body - so it's clunkier.
@PleasantKenobi ooooh i see! Those never occurred to me. I'm more of a commander player so I'm more familiar with greaves
been waiting for this one
That dang 🐦 bird, always causing problems.
I've been playing Domain cats. I'm having fun with it
End of turn, collected company, find Nadu and outrider, trigger 4x, go next?
“They did better than mh and mh2 by not skewing the format entirely” wtf? What do you call Nadu making up a majority of the top 32 AND the top 4 of the pro tour? Does that not skew the fucking format? Lol sorry Vince, but here you are incorrect. You can’t say then when the evoke elementals and hogaak have had the same effect on modern. The only difference is Nadu just released and the others had time to reign havoc on the format.
We literally cannot bolt the bird anymore 😢
I would argue that nadu is worse than hogaak. hogaak was a good example of unintentional overpoweredness, as hogaak not only costs a lot, but also can't be cast using mana, which are reasonable drawbacks at first glance, though they proved to be easily exploitable. but nadu, just by playing him, combos effortlessly. he is hard to remove (cant be bolted), provides value when removing him, and the limits placed on him are inconsequential in the face of the sheer value he provides. he combos so effortlessly that he fits in any deck, at least hogaak needed a deck built around him for him to be powerful.
nadu feels like a sol ring or paradox engine for green and blue. he fits in any deck that can run him, and just works. he is pure value and easily exploitable, to the point of absurdity.
This card just straight up makes no sense. What were they going for here? What is the point of putting a restriction on it, "can only trigger twice a turn", when you can so easily get around it by simply playing the cards/mana that it's feeding you.
This card is vile in Arena Brawl.
Saw this video the day after (my time zone) the pro tour finished. I watched the final. To be fair [redacted] won finally and deservedly so, as they played well all weekend. However the top 4 players all were running Nadu decks. 5 in the top 8. That’s just straight up insane.
But wotc being wotc won’t ban the bird. They’ll ban chord or the new enchantment creature that poops out creatures on land fall triggers.
Because wotc are weak sauce and probably will make a killing off loading 10000 copies of nadu following the pt victory at 50usd a card…
Should have been 5 mana
Alternatively, marc rosewater should have been fired 15 years ago.
Came here after Pro Tour to officially say that Nadu is even more broken.
59% win rate.
5 of the top 8.
ALL FOUR OF THE TOP 4.
For comparison, Hogaak had a 56% win rate and was 1 of the top 8.
But he makes my dreams of copying stuff come true more easily! Yes, including him. Yes, it gets ridiculous. No, I've never once used a single wincon I put in the brawl deck because people scoop.
the funniest part about it is the fact that nadu has just the right amount of health to be killed by the card you were crusading to be banned for so long lmao.
If only: lands came tapped + triggered only once per each creature.
That way would have still been quite powerful card, but would not enable such insane degeneracy.
Might sound conspiratorial, but the question "how did they get it this wrong?" implies that this was a mistake WotC didn't intend. I feel like they've been doing this long enough that this probably wasn't a mistake, at least not entirely.
this entire set is naked, unashamed greed
premium product with an impact on every single format in the game doesn't happen on accident
I play historic brawl mainly and this card is by far the strongest commander in Arena. It punishes interaction...... wtf it has soooo many aspects that make it broken, it's body, it's card draw, basically anything including equipments triggest it's card draw.
At first I read this card wrong, I though only your opponents could activate the ability and the lands came in tapped BOY was I naive to think that would be enough. you can go infinite with this card no problem, win cons in brawl are milling people out with landfall crabs because they can draw their whole deck with just three cards. It is worse than Oako
Pithing needle hoses the heck out of the equipment.
can't wait for this card to oddly dodge being banned
When you have a good nadu natchup but agree that this is a stupid card
FYI for people in the comments: all the red decks have moved on to Harsh Mentor instead of Ignus since it is more consistent damage and hates out more than just Nadu.
But Nadu is a triggered ability not a activated ability. How would mentor counter Nadu?
Activating shuko or whatever else is activated to trigger Nadu would do 2 damage.
@youtubetrollking1880 oh ya I wasn't thinking about that side of the combo. They should really ban the equipment.
@@ptodd5373 wait until you find out there is a 3 mana creature (so it can be found with chord of calling) with a 0 mana ability that can be activated at instant speed :D so you can do it on your opponents turn!
@@ptodd5373 banning the enabler is a bad idea because it limits what wizards can print in the future
This is one of the few cards I've read and knew immediately how busted it was. If I was able to catch this, how did it get past R&D? I think Growth Spiral effects usually are way better than they look.
They release too many cards to properly playtest
I honestly don’t think with the fire design philosophy they care about playtesting anymore. It’s been replaced with just release whatever that’s powerful so players have to buy the new set, then maybe ban an older card to simulate caring, then ban the newer card(s) when most of that card’s set has been sold anyway.
There's no more R&D / playtesting as far as finding broken cards. Now "playtesting" is just to gauge how fun the set is. Broken rares are considered lottery tickets that will sell packs.
The fact this costs the same as Oko is very funny. Feels the same too. A bunch of little decisions that add up to a mistake. Too much toughness, twice per turn, doesn’t draw, lands enter untapped.. too much gas.
It costs as much as Uro. What is with the 1UG mana cost that results in broken af Simic mythics?
Rogue Refiner was also a three mana Simic card that also got banned in Standard.
Remember the old Oko line, "We never thought players would target yheir own cards!"
@@danw.1250 I 'member!
@@notreallyhere67it's fine, this one is just a rare, next time it will be an uncommon.
/s
Not only is it really strong but it's also a super long combo and it's a nightmare to keep track of on paper. This card is a mistake, not because it's too strong but because it's just the most annoying thing anyone can do in the game (and also it's really fucking strong)
Ima make a deck that includes being the monarch, night/day cycle, dungeons, dice rolling, and any other obnoxious shit i can find...
don't forget stickers and cards like scrambleverse!
Isn't that the reason they banned Second Sunrise? Not because of power level, but because the turns took forever?
@@sortasurvival5482 - don't forget coin flipping