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This video is awesome. The last dive I did was in South Florida on a shore dive (about 450 yard swim to the reef) only about a 15 minute swim, so it wasn’t terrible, but I’ve considered getting a kayak so I could scuba dive, and then do some fishing afterwards. Saving this video to rewatch before I do my first Kayak dive adventure!
[Baz] Hey Casey I'm so glad you found the video useful. We're now living on our yacht in the Mediterranean and we'll be doing lots of scuba diving very shortly. Make sure to subscribe so you get notified when a new video comes out.
My take: leave the weights alone ,duck under the boat, reach over and drag your bc into the boat, strap it down, leave your mask and fins on until your seated securely then take them off and tie down. Whatever is not tied down will no longer belong to you by the end of the dive. Also I don't anchor I tow the boat it offers surprisingly little resistance. if I'm lobstering I'll tie a small Bruce anchor to my line and carry that so I can drop it anytime and the boats stays.towing the boat means you're always with the flag,you don't need to worry about returning to your anchor line , and you can drift dive and just paddle back to your put in location
I would like to see a demo in a real sea state. I have an Oru Coast that i use with an inner tube and a plywood deck - sort of like a sidecar. When deployed, it's attached via two rails with a frame that surrounds the cockpit gunwale. I stow it on the back of the kayak during transit. I frequently paddle out to the coral reefs off Key Largo to snorkel. But, my experiences in sea states of only 2-3' are not fun. Perhaps your experiences are better?
Interesting to view that video again, so many life changes since we made that one, but the lessons are the same whether that be kayaking off kings beach boat ramp or the Mediterranean .
[Baz] UA-cam moved the goal posts (again) so we have decided to combine the scuba diving videos alongside A B Sea videos. Starting by featuring all of the scuba diving tutorials. Gotta roll with the punches.
A few things to do differently for ADDITIONAL SAFTEY 1)If you have a weight belt that should be last on first off on a kayak. First off it's safety. If you hit the water with just the weight belt on, a number of things could happen. It could be too heavy and make it difficult to swim. It could become loose/undone and fall round your legs also causing issues. Do not wear without your BCD on. It will also make it more difficult to get back on your kayak. 2) When strapping BCD to kayak attach it to one side only. If you have it strapped to the kayak like in the video and you roll it will be much harder to correct. If its only attached one side, if you roll it will float away slightly, and make righting a lot easier. Also if for some reason you have a hatch pop open/flood. You can quickly roll the bcd off. 3) I would not recommend putting weight belt into the hatch. Again as above if you have a flood you will want to get as much weight off the kayak as quickly as possible. You will not want to be opening a hatch and letting more water in. 4) Consider a Personal Bouyancy Aid when paddling, if you do turn over, it its very easy to bang your head especially with extra dive equipment on board 5) No mention of communication should something go wrong. Ether have someone on shore monitoring. If not make sure some has details of your plan, and ensure you have either a water proof phone at the least but a VHF would be far better (Anyone can use a VHF in the event of an emergency). 6) Inform local coast guard/Life Guard/Local Sea rescue service of your plan, location and kayak description. This way if someone on the shore or boat who doesnt understand or cant see the dive flag calls the rescue service that they have seen an unmanned kayak floating at sea an unnecessary search operation will not take place. Last thing you want is coast guard using resource unnecessarily and possibly taking it a way from a real incident. 7)If Anchoring, look to run a line from the anchor while under water, so you can get back to your exact location if viz is poor or navigation skills are not up to scratch.
Good going as a single diver, and about how to retrive the BCD etc. It would be a little easier if your buddy gave a hand to retrive the bcd etc, then you swap places. Then remove your fins etc. Just something to think about. Last point, you could use two lots of webbing to hold the bcd in place. That should hold the bcd in place a little better, and you would only inflate the bcd a little to get that last bit of tension. Using some shock cord with the webbing would add a little give and hold the tension too. Good to see someone else using a kayak for diving here too.
@@SailingABSea I live in my camper van full time and rather like the idea of upgrading to a boat so maybe I’ll just wait till then and buy pass the kayak all together I’m Rescue diver PADI 👍
I have an 8 lb backplate on my scuba rig, so it's a bit heavier overall. In a case like that it can be useful to pull your rig up into the kayak from the opposite side while you're still in the water with at least your fins on. I like to do it this way anyhow.
Thanks for the info! Just what I was looking for before my first kayak dive. "Have to practice a few times to see if I can even get my fat but back on kayak safely."
Hello, Thank you so much for this video! Please tell me what type/kind of kayak you have in this video. I have a sit in, and I have been searching for one for diving, snorkeling, what have you. I have not used a sit on before, but really enjoyed your handling of the one in the video and am curious to find one just like it. Thank you so much
Hi, I bought it second hand so I don't know if they still make that model. Here's a link to a UK website and the one I had was quite similar to the Feel Free Gemini Sport. www.kayaksandpaddles.co.uk/canoe/kayak/uk/shop/tandem-sit-on-tops.htm
Great video bro , I plane to use a kayak for Free diving . scuba is too expensive for me . here in the U.S. I can free dive all I want without certification .
Rather than turning your air on to inflate the bcd, just use the oral inflator ( use it often - oral inflation of the bcd is a skill that many divers never use, and there are times when you might really need the skill! )
I'd love to see you try Steven! Get a camera and a pool and show us. My guess: some inflatables might be sturdy and balanced enough. Others, no. But my bigger concern would be damaging the shell. I wouldn't want to be dragging the tank, weights, etc on and off an inflatable on a regular basis. Some of them are very stable but none of them are as robust as a solid plastic sit-on.
Have you any experience doing this with a Drysuit? I dive in a Drysuit and the logistics would be slightly different. If I did this, I would definitely need a PFD.
Fortunately I've only ever dived in warm places so I am not trained in dry suit diving. Some people recommend a PFD any time you're out on a kayak. But a 5mm or 7mm wet suit provides plenty of buoyancy.
Why would you need a PFD, just put a few blast of gas in your drysuit before disconnecting and doffing your BCD. If you have integrated weights on our BCD you should have enough buoyancy to say afloat on the surface in a drysuit alone. Then again practice in a pool and shallow water with a buddy until you have confidence in your process. Cheers, #SeattleRingHunter
I do not see you with a PFD safety device (Personal Floatation Device)aka life jacket before you are getting redye to get in the water, meaning you are relying entirely on your BCD and kayak for safety... Equipment is expensive, good idea to tether it to the kayak but you are irreplaceable....... Where is your tether in case you fall off prematurely and get swept away by the current? Would it not be easier to put on your fins first? So if you get washed overboard you can get back to the kayak easier? Would it also not be easier to remove the fins last for the same reason and to help with maneuvering yourself up onto the kayak? Would it also not be easier to just wear the BCD on your way out to the dive spot so you don't have to finagle with it before diving in?
Hi, I'm wearing a 5mm wet suit. It is impossible to get below the surface with a 5mm wet suit on, which technically makes it its own BCD. The aluminium scuba tank is attached to the BCD so it would be impossible to wear the BCD while paddling out to the dive spot. If you look at the 6:30 moment in the video I explain about the importance of putting on mask and fins first. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@SailingABSea I apologize, I did not take into consideration your wet suit as I sink when wearing a 5mm, but the concern for tethering yourself is still valid. I also did not take into consideration other peoples physical limitations and gear configuration as you seem to have your tank mounted a lot lower in the BCD than I would mount it. Making it virtually impossible to wear it while paddling out. (Note I configure my gear for being worn while riding a motorcycle with a trailer hitch and a small trailer to pull my kayak) Thus I am forced to arrange my gear so as to be comfortable to wear on land while sitting and comfortable to wear in the water. Additionally I have a two steel tank configuration and not everyone is able to handle such a configuration.
Wow your kayak and gear on a small trailer attached to your motorbike, that's gotta be a sight to see. I'll bet other motorists do a double take when they see you. My imagination is coming up with all sorts of crazy pictures right now. Kudos on the twin steel tank configuration.
@@SailingABSea It is a custom trailer so it is not as large as standard kayak trailers and pulling the drain plugs out of the kayak and sinking it a bit to get the tanks and myself on then using a hand pump to displace the water in the hull with air and then closing the drain plugs makes things easy. :)
Hi Kristi, I had 30 metres of line attached to my kayak anchor and the areas we dived where never more than 12 metres deep. Some people attach their kayak to themselves, but I never did that. Cheers.
Never attach it to your self for the same reason you do not attach a (D)SMB. If you are somewhere where there is a tide of current. Consider using the Kayak in a similar way to a SMB and tow it with you as you dive.
Side note; while i do recommend removing your weight belt you should still be buoyant at the surface with your weighting system. dive classes drastically overweight students and many don't readjust as their skills progress. Drop weight gradually until you don't have enough then add a bit back. Proper weighting is the key to buoyancy control
(Baz) An old one, it may not be produced any more. The one I had was quite similar to the Feel Free Gemini Sport. www.kayaksandpaddles.co.uk/canoe/kayak/uk/shop/tandem-sit-on-tops.htm
That is great but so physical/difficult and requires bulky stuff. Space on a yacht or car is usually at a premium, but Kayak can stay. Easier to secure the scuba tank(s) (so it is able to withstand being overturned) on the kayak and use a hookah system and swim more freely without needing to take with you a bouyancy vest and tank and without them there is much less drag, meaning you can use smaller less cumbersome fins. With Hookah you don't use any large bouyancy vest because it is the tank under water that changes your bouyancy as you consume the air (heavy to start light to finish), that keeps you tied to a Bouyancy Compensation Vest. With Hookah, you can wear a weight belt with just a couple of weights (you can test in shallow water but not much weight needed at all) and wear it on the way out. Once you are comfortably underwater, you can drag the Kayak behind you and cover more ground instead of using an anchor to keep your kayak stationary, giving you more scope to travel if you see something not quite in your reach (on a case by case basis depending on tide, location otherwise anchor is good too). It is more relaxing not to have to lift and secure tanks after a dive, especially if you are tired. Plus for those who are scared to go without a bouyancy vest, if required, you can dump your weight for an emergency ascent and use an emergency inflatable wrist ballon, or waist inflatable emergency PDF device once on the surface to remain afloat once you broach the surface and pull yourself via the hose back to your Kayak. You can dive with a friend, who brings another kayak out and joins you on a double hose setup, and tie the kayaks together. Plus if you like to go deep, always have a pony bottle handy for extra safety attached to your waist or hookah harness. If really deep, a mini tank for decompression stops. but use an anchor and mark the progressive levels with coloured tape, or paint.
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This is an excellent video. Looking forward to seeing others you've made. Your attention to detail is spot on!
Hey Vidikat, thank you, I'm so glad that you found it useful.
@@SailingABSea I want to go snorkeling in the ocean,will the kayak float away?
very useful video, i am a freediving spearfisher my most trusted buddy just wont dive without a tank, now i can convince him to do so with me
Glad you found it helpful.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video was very helpful.
You're very welcome Kevin. 😀
Very cool video post. Thank you for taking the time to instruct and advise. Great Job!!!
I'm glad you liked it.
This video is awesome. The last dive I did was in South Florida on a shore dive (about 450 yard swim to the reef) only about a 15 minute swim, so it wasn’t terrible, but I’ve considered getting a kayak so I could scuba dive, and then do some fishing afterwards. Saving this video to rewatch before I do my first Kayak dive adventure!
[Baz] Hey Casey I'm so glad you found the video useful. We're now living on our yacht in the Mediterranean and we'll be doing lots of scuba diving very shortly. Make sure to subscribe so you get notified when a new video comes out.
My take: leave the weights alone ,duck under the boat, reach over and drag your bc into the boat, strap it down, leave your mask and fins on until your seated securely then take them off and tie down. Whatever is not tied down will no longer belong to you by the end of the dive. Also I don't anchor I tow the boat it offers surprisingly little resistance. if I'm lobstering I'll tie a small Bruce anchor to my line and carry that so I can drop it anytime and the boats stays.towing the boat means you're always with the flag,you don't need to worry about returning to your anchor line , and you can drift dive and just paddle back to your put in location
This is a perfect! Just what I was looking for. Thank you.
(Baz) I'm glad you found it helpful Meredith. Thanks for commenting.
I would like to see a demo in a real sea state. I have an Oru Coast that i use with an inner tube and a plywood deck - sort of like a sidecar. When deployed, it's attached via two rails with a frame that surrounds the cockpit gunwale. I stow it on the back of the kayak during transit. I frequently paddle out to the coral reefs off Key Largo to snorkel. But, my experiences in sea states of only 2-3' are not fun. Perhaps your experiences are better?
The sea state changed while we were on one dive and I got capsized coming back in. Luckily I was in 1 metre of water.
Interesting to view that video again, so many life changes since we made that one, but the lessons are the same whether that be kayaking off kings beach boat ramp or the Mediterranean .
[Baz] UA-cam moved the goal posts (again) so we have decided to combine the scuba diving videos alongside A B Sea videos. Starting by featuring all of the scuba diving tutorials. Gotta roll with the punches.
A few things to do differently for ADDITIONAL SAFTEY
1)If you have a weight belt that should be last on first off on a kayak. First off it's safety. If you hit the water with just the weight belt on, a number of things could happen. It could be too heavy and make it difficult to swim. It could become loose/undone and fall round your legs also causing issues. Do not wear without your BCD on. It will also make it more difficult to get back on your kayak.
2) When strapping BCD to kayak attach it to one side only. If you have it strapped to the kayak like in the video and you roll it will be much harder to correct. If its only attached one side, if you roll it will float away slightly, and make righting a lot easier. Also if for some reason you have a hatch pop open/flood. You can quickly roll the bcd off.
3) I would not recommend putting weight belt into the hatch. Again as above if you have a flood you will want to get as much weight off the kayak as quickly as possible. You will not want to be opening a hatch and letting more water in.
4) Consider a Personal Bouyancy Aid when paddling, if you do turn over, it its very easy to bang your head especially with extra dive equipment on board
5) No mention of communication should something go wrong. Ether have someone on shore monitoring. If not make sure some has details of your plan, and ensure you have either a water proof phone at the least but a VHF would be far better (Anyone can use a VHF in the event of an emergency).
6) Inform local coast guard/Life Guard/Local Sea rescue service of your plan, location and kayak description. This way if someone on the shore or boat who doesnt understand or cant see the dive flag calls the rescue service that they have seen an unmanned kayak floating at sea an unnecessary search operation will not take place. Last thing you want is coast guard using resource unnecessarily and possibly taking it a way from a real incident.
7)If Anchoring, look to run a line from the anchor while under water, so you can get back to your exact location if viz is poor or navigation skills are not up to scratch.
Some really good tips there Graham, thanks for sharing. 👍
sounds like a lot of thinking
Good going as a single diver, and about how to retrive the BCD etc. It would be a little easier if your buddy gave a hand to retrive the bcd etc, then you swap places. Then remove your fins etc. Just something to think about. Last point, you could use two lots of webbing to hold the bcd in place. That should hold the bcd in place a little better, and you would only inflate the bcd a little to get that last bit of tension. Using some shock cord with the webbing would add a little give and hold the tension too. Good to see someone else using a kayak for diving here too.
Hi Neil, you have some really good suggestions there, thanks for sharing. Cheers Baz.👍👌
thank you so much for your great instructional video!
[Baz] Hi Andre, thanks so much for watching, I'm happy that you found it helpful.
Good, thanks 😍😍😍
Welcome 😊
Brilliant.. ...thank you for posting...
Thanks Eddie. 👍
Excellent video with a lot of good information. Thank you so much!
Glad you enjoyed it! 👍
Thanks for this I was thinking getting inflatable kayak maybe not such a good idea 👍
Glad I could help. Eventually an inflatable will get a puncture and that sux if it happens at the wrong place and time.
@@SailingABSea I live in my camper van full time and rather like the idea of upgrading to a boat so maybe I’ll just wait till then and buy pass the kayak all together I’m Rescue diver PADI 👍
Very informative ! Thank you !
Glad you found it helpful Tunaman. 👍
Fantastic instructional video thanks for sharing
Hey Treasure Divers, so glad that you found it helpful.
I have an 8 lb backplate on my scuba rig, so it's a bit heavier overall. In a case like that it can be useful to pull your rig up into the kayak from the opposite side while you're still in the water with at least your fins on. I like to do it this way anyhow.
Hi John, great tip and yes the fine tuning of the technique will all boil down to everyone's personal kit. Cheers.
amazing content, thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@SailingABSea what kayak model is that? I'm looking for one to buy, I'm a novice freediver and pole spear fishing. Cheers!
The one I had was quite similar to the Feel Free Gemini Sport. www.kayaksandpaddles.co.uk/canoe/kayak/uk/shop/tandem-sit-on-tops.htm
Thank you!!!!
You're welcome.
very helpful vid
So glad that you found something useful there Holland. Cheers.
Thanks for the info! Just what I was looking for before my first kayak dive. "Have to practice a few times to see if I can even get my fat but back on kayak safely."
Hey Tubergen, Let us know how your first kayak dive goes. Where will you be diving?
Hello, Thank you so much for this video! Please tell me what type/kind of kayak you have in this video. I have a sit in, and I have been searching for one for diving, snorkeling, what have you. I have not used a sit on before, but really enjoyed your handling of the one in the video and am curious to find one just like it. Thank you so much
Hi, I bought it second hand so I don't know if they still make that model. Here's a link to a UK website and the one I had was quite similar to the Feel Free Gemini Sport. www.kayaksandpaddles.co.uk/canoe/kayak/uk/shop/tandem-sit-on-tops.htm
Great video bro , I plane to use a kayak for Free diving . scuba is too expensive for me . here in the U.S. I can free dive all I want without certification .
Hey Jay, glad you liked the video. Yes scuba diving can be an expensive pastime, but once you're hooked it's difficult to stop.
Rather than turning your air on to inflate the bcd, just use the oral inflator ( use it often - oral inflation of the bcd is a skill that many divers never use, and there are times when you might really need the skill! )
Yes that's a good air saving and potentially life saving tip Daniel. Cheers. 👌
Just found this great video. What about an inflatable kayak?
Hi Steven, probably not sturdy or stable enough to take the weight., especially when bringing the tank and BCD back on board after the dive.
I'd love to see you try Steven! Get a camera and a pool and show us. My guess: some inflatables might be sturdy and balanced enough. Others, no. But my bigger concern would be damaging the shell. I wouldn't want to be dragging the tank, weights, etc on and off an inflatable on a regular basis. Some of them are very stable but none of them are as robust as a solid plastic sit-on.
@@SailingABSea do you think I could kayak dive in an 11 foot sit inside kayak?
@@traydog1257 getting out and in of a sit inside kayak would be the biggest hurdle.
Have you any experience doing this with a Drysuit? I dive in a Drysuit and the logistics would be slightly different. If I did this, I would definitely need a PFD.
Fortunately I've only ever dived in warm places so I am not trained in dry suit diving. Some people recommend a PFD any time you're out on a kayak. But a 5mm or 7mm wet suit provides plenty of buoyancy.
Why would you need a PFD, just put a few blast of gas in your drysuit before disconnecting and doffing your BCD. If you have integrated weights on our BCD you should have enough buoyancy to say afloat on the surface in a drysuit alone. Then again practice in a pool and shallow water with a buddy until you have confidence in your process. Cheers, #SeattleRingHunter
Hi there. What is the brand of your anchor bag?? Cheers
Hi, I'm sorry to say I can't remember. It's been so long since I had the kayak and lived in Australia. We're now living on our boat in Turkey.
@@SailingABSea Thanks for the reply. Do you remember what material the bag was made from or where you purchased it mate?
@@nathnjac5444 I'm guessing that i either purchased it from a local dive shop or a kayak shop.
I do not see you with a PFD safety device (Personal Floatation Device)aka life jacket before you are getting redye to get in the water, meaning you are relying entirely on your BCD and kayak for safety... Equipment is expensive, good idea to tether it to the kayak but you are irreplaceable.......
Where is your tether in case you fall off prematurely and get swept away by the current?
Would it not be easier to put on your fins first? So if you get washed overboard you can get back to the kayak easier?
Would it also not be easier to remove the fins last for the same reason and to help with maneuvering yourself up onto the kayak?
Would it also not be easier to just wear the BCD on your way out to the dive spot so you don't have to finagle with it before diving in?
Hi, I'm wearing a 5mm wet suit. It is impossible to get below the surface with a 5mm wet suit on, which technically makes it its own BCD. The aluminium scuba tank is attached to the BCD so it would be impossible to wear the BCD while paddling out to the dive spot. If you look at the 6:30 moment in the video I explain about the importance of putting on mask and fins first. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@SailingABSea
I apologize, I did not take into consideration your wet suit as I sink when wearing a 5mm, but the concern for tethering yourself is still valid.
I also did not take into consideration other peoples physical limitations and gear configuration as you seem to have your tank mounted a lot lower in the BCD than I would mount it. Making it virtually impossible to wear it while paddling out. (Note I configure my gear for being worn while riding a motorcycle with a trailer hitch and a small trailer to pull my kayak) Thus I am forced to arrange my gear so as to be comfortable to wear on land while sitting and comfortable to wear in the water.
Additionally I have a two steel tank configuration and not everyone is able to handle such a configuration.
Wow your kayak and gear on a small trailer attached to your motorbike, that's gotta be a sight to see. I'll bet other motorists do a double take when they see you. My imagination is coming up with all sorts of crazy pictures right now. Kudos on the twin steel tank configuration.
@@SailingABSea
It is a custom trailer so it is not as large as standard kayak trailers and pulling the drain plugs out of the kayak and sinking it a bit to get the tanks and myself on then using a hand pump to displace the water in the hull with air and then closing the drain plugs makes things easy. :)
Wait, so you anchor to the ocean floor? What if you're too deep for an anchor to the floor? Do you attach the kayak to yourself while you dive?
Hi Kristi, I had 30 metres of line attached to my kayak anchor and the areas we dived where never more than 12 metres deep. Some people attach their kayak to themselves, but I never did that. Cheers.
Never attach it to your self for the same reason you do not attach a (D)SMB. If you are somewhere where there is a tide of current. Consider using the Kayak in a similar way to a SMB and tow it with you as you dive.
If you are diving so deep that there is no anchor line long enough, you probably won't be able to fit your bathyscape and support crew in the kayak.
Side note; while i do recommend removing your weight belt you should still be buoyant at the surface with your weighting system. dive classes drastically overweight students and many don't readjust as their skills progress. Drop weight gradually until you don't have enough then add a bit back. Proper weighting is the key to buoyancy control
Thanks for adding those tips Greg. 👍
What kayak is that?
(Baz) An old one, it may not be produced any more. The one I had was quite similar to the Feel Free Gemini Sport. www.kayaksandpaddles.co.uk/canoe/kayak/uk/shop/tandem-sit-on-tops.htm
That is great but so physical/difficult and requires bulky stuff. Space on a yacht or car is usually at a premium, but Kayak can stay. Easier to secure the scuba tank(s) (so it is able to withstand being overturned) on the kayak and use a hookah system and swim more freely without needing to take with you a bouyancy vest and tank and without them there is much less drag, meaning you can use smaller less cumbersome fins. With Hookah you don't use any large bouyancy vest because it is the tank under water that changes your bouyancy as you consume the air (heavy to start light to finish), that keeps you tied to a Bouyancy Compensation Vest. With Hookah, you can wear a weight belt with just a couple of weights (you can test in shallow water but not much weight needed at all) and wear it on the way out. Once you are comfortably underwater, you can drag the Kayak behind you and cover more ground instead of using an anchor to keep your kayak stationary, giving you more scope to travel if you see something not quite in your reach (on a case by case basis depending on tide, location otherwise anchor is good too). It is more relaxing not to have to lift and secure tanks after a dive, especially if you are tired. Plus for those who are scared to go without a bouyancy vest, if required, you can dump your weight for an emergency ascent and use an emergency inflatable wrist ballon, or waist inflatable emergency PDF device once on the surface to remain afloat once you broach the surface and pull yourself via the hose back to your Kayak. You can dive with a friend, who brings another kayak out and joins you on a double hose setup, and tie the kayaks together. Plus if you like to go deep, always have a pony bottle handy for extra safety attached to your waist or hookah harness. If really deep, a mini tank for decompression stops. but use an anchor and mark the progressive levels with coloured tape, or paint.
Some interesting options there Michael. Thanks.
You don't secure eatch dive gear item. You secure a big scuba duffle beg and put everything inside.
This is against Islam. Mohammad never dove from a kayak.
(Baz) Not my problem. Mohammad should've got out more. 😀👍
@@SailingABSea 1,400 years ago in the hot desert there were no cool kayak brands though. That's sad. ☹️