SHUT UP GARY - Therapist Plays Disco Elysium: Part 32
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Never thought talking to a cryptofascist could be this fun lol. Episode 33 is up on the archive for patreon supports. We have what may be our final confrontation with Klaasje, and a difficult decision to make. Enjoy!
Sometimes, the most interesting can be hidden in the wildest places. But it also requires persistence, just as the detective work)
I think your observation about Authority is right on. I realized this while playing the game too. The stats in DE are not necessarily your desires. They are kind of more your senses. Authority senses and is drawn to uses of authority. This is why it’s so good at pointing out even bad uses of authority. It’s because it notices it in all its forms. I really like this aspect of the game because in a sense it is how we actually think. We have (or at least I do) passive thoughts about how other people are thinking and doing things. We recognize someone’s use of force and commentate on it to ourselves, for example. Or at least I do. That’s our Authority stat 😂
To your very last bit of discussion:
The game I think is commenting on how hard right wing people often are susceptible to conspiracies and other unprovable phenomena. Numerous studies in the US at least have been done showing this connection, aside from the obvious Qanon stuff. And I think you are right on the money. It’s about the “imperceptible truth” in their mind. To them racist ideology or fascism is the same as any other imperceptible truth. They have found the solution to the world’s problems. This sort of thinking is not quite as common (though it does still happen of course) on the left. At least not in the US. As to why this is, I think it could be based in part on the origin? Leftist thought is actually highly empirical in nature and features a lot of critical discourse and theory based on historical materialism and lived socioeconomic experiences. Fascism was never and still isn’t based on any kind of fact gathering. It’s phantasmic, like cryptozoology. We can discuss “going too far” in leftism, but in terms of analysis of socioeconomics, it’s the most empirically correct. Notice how most right wing intellectuals will cite long out of date economic, psychological, and sociological theories, or manipulate statistics in dishonest ways (eg. Thomas Sowell, Charles Murray, etc.). It’s because the actual history is not on their side. Again, tying in with cryptozoology.
In terms of DE’s story, this also hints that Morrell and Lena are fascists too, or at least are sympathetic to the ideology because they are friends with and work with Gary. This is a representation of how lots of racist ideology is hidden in plain view and among “nice people”, not just obvious jerks. Claire employs Measurehead of course, but that is also clearly a transactional relationship and means to an end (which is a whole other discussion even), whereas Lena and Morrell seem to be “friendlier” with Gary.
*exploring incredibly impoverished area*
“Glad there is no politics here”
In all seriousness, loving the play through. One of the best I’ve watched.
My thoughts exactly.
Brady truly has invested everything into psyche and nothing into intellect
@@oimate6357 on the other hand he does not only see reaction reaction reaction.
Famous last words
Hey Brady! You'll never meet me. Hell, you might never read this comment. BUT... this playthrough made me feel human AND got me set on thinking critically about myself and people. It's been fun actually caring about something again. It's also inspired me. Seeing this sparked what would've been a forgotten interest in psych. So thank you! Now I have a lot of episodes of it to catch up on, and this one to watch, but I wanted to write this while it was still on my mind. Thank you, and I hope you enjoy your weekend!!
hey on the list of a billion things to do you should try talking to idiot doom spiral again at some point. you can get him to tell you a big elaborate story about how he became idiot doom spiral and i think you’d have a lot to say about it lol
Yessss, I was waiting for him to go on about the locus of external control again with his story, and got sad when I realized he stopped talking to Idiot Doom Spiral.
Guess its all for the grind, either for the money or the case.
@@yayedu Gotta pump those experience points up. The higher the number the better
Brady, take it easy. Explore the world a bit. Don't just speedrun the Titus thing, because the meat and potatoes in your playthroughs comes from the psychology tangents in unexpected moments in dialogues etc. Not much in your to-do list is time sensitive right now that you have gotten the corpse off the tree sooner than many others, and you have a free place to stay (btw it is good to sometimes check the list to get yourself back on track).
Quality episode as usual.
Phasmids are a real type of insect, you know. Stick and leaf imitating bugs are pretty common. Giant ones that can look so much like water reeds that they’ve never been found are less so.
Not plasmids, mind you. Phasmids.
"WHAT DID YOU DO GARY!?"
Already seen some untagged spoilers for the tie thingy here so be careful reading comments.
That said, I just want to say: You're going to miss something in your first playthrough.
You kinda have to.
For example, you didn't get the boots on the hanged man before sending him away.
You ignored most politics so far.
And that is okay. Everyone here wants to see your reaction to as many awesome things as possible, but don't let that get in the way of this playthrough. It feels really fresh & interesting because of how YOU play! It shouldn't become a like to-do list.
Do what you want. Maybe listen to some small hints from the comments. But no need to go out of your way tooo much for that.
Being a cryptofascist means to secretly hold admiration for fascist ways of thinking and fascist practices but never express them on a surface level, and never really acknowledge you hold them. Just somthing to to consider looking back at Gary
the problem with the game is that it conflates monarchism with fascism... and doesnt really do a great job explaining why the monarchy is fascist, which it could have been, but its not like we get many examples of total state control and brutal repression from the suzerainty, atleast i dont think so.
The fact that he's also into cryptoids or mythical animals works on some levels: For once there's the obvious pun with cryptofascist (That might be a happy coincidence after translation though, don't speak Estonian myself) but on top of that, the Fash all the way back to early 20th century really enjoyed to force themselves into all kinds of esoteric stuff with many of their symbols and runes being taken from various pre-existing practices and such.
And Disco Elysium exemplifies perfectly well why: You meet the sweetest old lady and tells you about his husband an otherwise perfectly gentil old man himself but then you find out oh, they're close friends with the same scum that owned that coffee mug, not only that but he goes far beyond into outright fascist believes, then you'd probably find out that the old couple has probably picked up more than a few extreme rhetoric pieces from their young fash friend. That's how that stuff spreads 101 right there.
So whatever you think about Evrart the one unambiguously positive action he took was trying to intimidate and undermine a known Fascist in his backyard. It's too bad he gets pretty much everything else about his ideology backwards and compromised into self-serving non-effectiveness but at least he knows that one of the most dangerous individuals he *CAN* do something about he *DID* try to do something about so kudos on that...And probably that alone.
@@dimitriid Except Evrart doesn't care about Gary's political views; he's perfectly happy to have Measurehead working for him, after all. His reason for intimidating Gary is entirely self-serving.
@@adamvifrye2690 The Russian Empire was proto fascist at the very least, so it's not WRONG.
@@loveroffunnyy sure sure, but its unfair to say monarchism is fascism... and i would say the idea of fascism doesnt allow for local Boyars who are semi independent in their regions with peasants who arent effected by a central government in the way you think of a fascist regime.
on another note, i really dont think gary is that bad, he's only a fascist cuz he's pining for the monarchy, and xenophobic... measurehead thinks other races are literally inferior and enforces the will of a mob and the racist lory driver is openly aggressive to people on the street. its ironic that evart is threateneing gary while he has measurehead violently protecting his gate.
Oh the grouse is just to apologize to garte for breaking the skua, not to get a discount or anything
on the seeming lack of politics on the other side of the water lock: you’re not wrong that compared to martanaise it’s relatively apolitical, but that’s because the fishing village is the result of those same politics. two decades on you could imagine someone stumbling upon the whirling in rags abandoned finding evidence of a lynching, the same way you find the site of a mass execution at the feld building
It’s only apolitical because the few people living there don’t have the time, luxury, nor care, to worry about politics
@@birdup1_2 totally, the recipients of politics, especially large-scale political conflicts, are often the least likely to have the chance to participate in it. even when the poor and weary are supposed to be benefited by it, they often have little if any say in the matter
Dear god he almost defeated the necktie
You have a little more in your inventory for clothing than you initially thought: There's a scroll bar/point on the right side of your inventory, where you can scroll up and down
one step closer to the payphone
Oh god. Brady, if you see this - I know this might be counter to your playthrough, but if you find that payphone _keep calling._ I promise it's worth it.
With Morell, I would have liked to see you discuss the difference between being delusional and merely holding unconventional beliefs.
I felt like you read him as the former. As a non-psychologist, I read him as more the latter. He seemed lucid and self-aware and didn't say anything demonstrably false. He's fully cognizant of the fact that his chosen field has an extremely low success rate, and of his own lack of success to date.
It makes sense you'd avoid confronting the issue directly in a clinical setting, though.
12:05 That's the game calling you (meaning Harry/your choices) out as a Moralist. Doesn't matter if you don't pick "political" choices because the very act of rejection is in fact the Moralist one and the game won't shy away from pointing that out.
"You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose free will"
-Rush
A vote uncast is a vote for the winning side.
he already got 'the world's most laughable centrist', can't get much worse than that!
Gary is the kinda guy who would fall victim to sigma grindset what have you scams. Man is a bundle of issues.
Isn't sigma Grindset just a funny meme?
Oh I CANNOT wait for him to get to the source of the music on the ice
hardcore
@@datwee7576he is gonna love the
Speed freaks
@@datwee7576 internally coherent
:)
HARDCORE
When I streamed this game, every session was "OK, time to make some progress!" Definitely a Disco motto
It's actually kind of unfortunate you won't get to see the Fascist vision quest. It allows you to get some deeper psychological insight into the more fascist-leaning characters like Rene, Measurehead, Gary and the Racist Lorry Driver; namely, the question of what drives people to embrace those kinds of politics.
It also gives Measurehead one of my favorite quotes in the game:
Measurehead: I'm going to share a secret with you. Here is the secret: there is no love in the past. Only the present. The past is made of static images, distorted memories, demented nostalgia. This, the present - with all its possibilities, innumerable hits and misses - is far superior. It is a _living_ organism.
All political quests have some cool thing about them. It’s kinda hard core to go fascist in your first run
Love how reaction speed is speaking up so much, after that impulse skill investment!
Bro, please do all the sidequest, some are so interesting and fun
1:00:00 I was waiting for so long for when you inevitably got that achievement 😂😂😂
You know its a good game when its Steam achievements start trolling the player.
There’s no possible way that the necktie will pay off now that we’ve talked about it SO SO MUCH, but it is still a very good opportunity for discussion when it’s story concludes.
disco elysium is one of the few games i got absolutely obsessed with recently and this playthrough has been keeping me company through my finals ! i hadn't even noticed i'd caught up with it until i checked when this episode was uploaded lmaoo. needless to say this series has been a joy to follow along with, keep it up:))
I don't know how I triggered it, but one time my charcter talked about that room with Kim, and the tie actually chimed in and threatened me for thinking of replacing him with that bow tie lol
I've seen a number of different playthroughs of this game and I think yours is my favorite because of the psychological perspective and commentary you offer.
Just wanted to show my appreciation! Thank you!
If you fail the white check for the armor detection with Gary you get a very funny option to ask...
Hey Brady, Just letting you know you can put that armor on
Visual calculus is so well done, especially the music and they way it looks
It is an interesting point about the "automatic weapons" and "keep some humanity". Mongols didn't need them. They were doing fine with swords and bows. Xiang Yu didn't need them. Just some shovels did him fine. For some reason people think that it's the tools that are needed for a massive scale of human suffering and destruction, yet percentage-wise in terms of "how big was the chunk of the world that got unsubscribed from life?" - WW2 (the biggest modern war with the biggest weapons employed quite willy-nilly) is not even the worst thing that happened on the planet. Not the biggest neither.
But we blame... The gun. Or the bomb. Or whatever else. As if before that armies didn't suffer massive casualties. And civilians weren't suffering miserably. It's certainly just our age, that is the most brutal. I don't get. I really don't. Even look at the Martinaise. Lack of "automatic weapons" didn't help anyone with anything. And the only people with automatic weapons in Revachol are ones from Moralintern. Because they are allowed to have them. They are the good guys. Obviously!
What are some of these events with worse death counts than World War 2? Natural disasters, pandemics, prehistoric mass extinctions, and cases where a government purges some subset citizens are obviously off limits.
Ha! That's a hilarious achievment. This has definitely not been boring
I do love that you say that Harry doesn't have the skillset to be a good Detective, but then describe his skills for being a good detective. You just don't name them as such.
Since you are annoyed by the tie, if you'd prefer to go without it I'd understand. The one particular moment that I believe people are pointing you towards, involving the spirits bottle you got, happens late game, so you would be stuck with the tie basically the entire time if you want to just wait for that. I don't know if I should spoil when the moment is, in case you want to take the tie off until that moment comes. I will say the pay off is worth it though, if not for discussion then just for a really cool moment.
The problem is he may forget lol
I always find the scene at the mass execution site so captivating. I never skip it. Like the rest of Martinaise, it really brings forth how the past clings to Revachol. Here, it is just so violently poignant. One can‘t look away.
Blindsight and Echopraxia are two of my favourite sci-fi books!
1:28
‘Can we get back to trying to solve the crime, detective?”
“I AM trying to solve the crime, Kim! I’m trying to solve the crime of what it means to be human in this nightmare world!”
Brady really is becoming one with his superstar cop alter-ego
You may have noticed that Gary's politics is rooted in his psychology; his feelings of inadequacy results in resentment of the other. Every political character can also be analyzed psychologically. There's something relatable to the human condition in every character in this game.
Loving this playthrough!
I ended up missing so much of this side of the river on my first time in because I, too, went back to check in with Titus and the game just gained so much momentum that I ended up not exploring all the fantastic side quests and characters elsewise.
Y’know, what you said about the phasmid, reminds me now of what you said about in this same video about convenience of beliefs. You’re a moralist of convenience, in this game, but don’t really care that much
Thank you very much for this video in particular, Brady. Coming from a country that is currently at war, which the government says is liberating and not invasive, and where a lot of people aggressively support it crying for blood, that bit of a personal path and upholding your own values means more than you could imagine. It's been really taxing and painful, but your words give me relief
This is my favorite playthrough of this game. Alot discussion and trying to understand all sides. And the deepness of sociology. Love it and the political stuff its fine just say your roleplaying or something as a defence, if we can say what we believe with people we can never grow for the better and that all we should care about each other in my opinion.
The "crypto" prefix is just a way of saying "obscured" or "hidden". Gary being a "cryptofascist" means that he normally doesn't outright state his opinions, instead using other language to dogwhistle and give plausible deniability when interacting with regular people.
I think he mixed up his dog whistle and regular whistle
@@birdup1_2 Well that's because hes also a coward whose mask crumbles in the face of authority (like almost all people who subscribe to authoritarian ideologies).
@@standardtoaster10000 spot on, the ‘crypto’ part, is because he doesn’t wear his hate with pride, like René does
There’s a lot you haven’t found in the area!
Having read Blindsight and its sequel Echopraxia, I can also recommend
God I would love it if, after this playthrough you did one with the intellect build, the game changes so much with it.
Have you ever had a patient who, for instance, said their clothing was talking and encouraging them to drink or take on other irresponsible actions? Asking for a friend
wow, would you look at that - the rarest species in disco elysium...the composure check...
I am loving this series. Thanks, Brady.
still a great playthrough. every new character is a world on its own eh?
also, reminder to look at the logic check in conversation with kim. you haven't been talking to your partner much. ;)
its over for necktie bros
GARY!? WHAT THE BLOODIE HELL DID YOU DO NOW GARY!?
I really like how you connected Morells's passion for cryptozoology with Gary's cryptofascism. It was the creators' deliberate choice to make the two friends in the game, something that unfortunately goes over the heads of many players. Getting into conspiracy theories, even cryptozoology, can lead, unfortunately, to a gateway to other, harmful beliefs. It is no accident that they are friends, regardless of Morells's general politeness.
Yo brady when you see a payphone, keep calling
still waiting for a "cryptozoologist plays disco elysium" video popping up on yt
Damn! Massive lack of respect for cryptozoology here!
Hey man, It's not all bigfoots and chupacabras! There's a pretty tangible reason you'd want to research animals that are either undiscovered or thought to be extinct. Although rare, such discoveries do happen and are invaluable to conservation efforts. Morell is an academic in an unpopular field, but he's not a quack!
my god i love your interaction with morell. so much youll look back on later in game :3
Thank you for your work!
Fuck yea! Blindsight is amazing. All of Peter Watts books are.
I was so amazed whaen you nentioned the Blindsight! Great novel
You can do titus skillcheck now cuz you internalised motorway south
Definitely talk to Idiot Doom Spiral more!
I think you will find it very amusing to go over this episode and your comments again AFTER you have finished the entire game. You may gain a better understanding of your audience's reaction.
7:00 *"gasp"* politics!
Fyi, you can actually pick up scattered tare even if it not being highlight, there is alot in your room, in whirling n rag
What you said at 1:08:15 is such good insight
The spirits are super important!!!!
Hey, Brady, loving the series. One thing's been bothering me, though - you have realised that Miss Oranje Disco Dancer is lying to you, but have you confronted her on that? Is it intentional that your Harry, essentially, had a breakdown and left right away, as far from her as physically possible?
Stay tuned for next episode ;)
@@eurobrady YEEEEEEEAH!
"Cryptofascist" is a (kinda obscure) term basically meaning "secretly a fascist," not anything to do with cryptozoology or cryptography.
... _however,_ in Gary's case, it's almost certainly a play on words, where it means both the original definition _and_ the mixing in of cryptozoology
he lacks the critical information
lol I remember not noticing for 30 seconds that he is not named Cryptozoologist in my first playthrough!
edit: Ok. Probably the best commentary I have ever heard in a DE lets play during the execution scene.
HAHAHA that achievement, perfect!
Hey Brady this comment is coming robay too late to be read but the moment with the tie is one of many cool moments that happen in this game.
If it doesn’t fit your playtrough (witch I agree it does not) just leave it be and trust your instincts
Hell yeah
I’d recommend reading less of the comments, if you can. Spoilers may be more common at this story point
Be careful of spoilers
The city was at first owned by the king (the Suzeraine), the communists overthrew him and seized the city. When the cost of dealing with communists who controlled the ports became greater than the capitalists who originally did, the nations of the world came together making the coalition to destroy the communists and keep their profits high and prices down at the cost of everyone living in the city.
You're adding to the narrative a line of reasoning the game never states
@@CraigNull SPOILERS
City was owned the king: we know from the statue analysis, and talking to the old soldier (cant remember his name for some reason)
Communists overthrew him: Same places, + the final cut secret image of the commune of revachol
Rising costs incited the coalition: While not explicitly said its the only possible leap without the writers being inept morons. The deserter perfectly outlines the will of capital coming to crush the commune. Given the kinds of things the communards argued for the only thing it can be is that prices rose. Its the same reason why the Ruud, the Kortenars, and DePaul were sent in. Martinese is a core port city and the liberals (wild pines and joyce by extention) were part of them getting involved to break up the strike since it was harming profits.
Cost of everyone in the city: Well this better be obvious
I agree with Craig. Its not stated.
@@indybruining dosent matter if it’s not explicitly said. It’s the most basic interpretation of a game written by hardline communists about a world embroiled in hardline communism. It’s a very clear reading between the lines. Not to mention if you read Robert Kirwitz book taking place in the world it’s hard not to come to that conclusion
@@datwee7576 As far as i know they are not communists at all, the writers that is. They live in an ex-communist bloc country which tend to be some of the most anti-communist ones.
man, i can’t wait for the next episode of Unbelievably Boring Fuck plays Disco Elisium !
surely this privilege soaked white man who psychoanalyzes people struggling with their lives for a living will provide empathetic and politically aware commentary on this communist video game
surely right? surely...
You can just wear that bow tie, until later. Eventually, you will find your suspect. Put the necktie on then, and it will help you, to the *other side*
But still…the moments it has by the church are its best ones. It doesn’t really want you to drink, at that point, just have fun, and party, alcohol be damned.
Love from a CinemaTherapy and Vaush fan!
You know who killed him?
Are you sure?
What do you think happened?
Well, your tangent at the end was a bit misplaced because modern feminism really did some bad things - portraying masculinity as inherently "toxic", watering down the definition of sexual assault so that mere eye contact becomes such or spreading false accusations that ruin people lives.
Radicalism has overtaken a vocal portion. What you’re referring to is extremists, and the tenants of it have, and in theory still are, equality.
Stfu, no one thinks eye contact is “sexual assault”. It’s true that women have become hyper paranoid about that stuff but that’s just the result of the treatment they’ve received throughout history. And masculinity absolutely has toxic elements and it has infected society. It negatively affects men just as much as women. False accusations are the fault of people that take advantage of real experiences, not because women in general want to be respected and have equal rights.
Have you seen the track record of masculinity? It isn't good by any sketch of the imagination. And R. Kelly and Harvey Weinstein going to prison for being rapists isn't bad.
found the guy who groped someone and is scared of getting found out, it's wKogut
@@hem9483 making assumptions, aren't we?
Brady, without enough evidence to arrest anyone: "We've already solved the crime! We know who did it!" - Another job well done by detective Raphael Ambrosius Costeau 🫡
(not meant as a mean roast. I'm loving the playthrough!)