Ex-Polygamist Reacts to "Sister Wives" Season 12
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I think a lot of the dislike of Robyn comes from a bit more sneakiness that you have to pay attention to. Some examples:
1-they’re flying to be on a tv show with all the wives, walking together at the airport and Robyn is the only one not carrying any luggage, because she’s letting Kody carry hers for her. Accepting favoritism.
2-In the episode where they’re boating with Ken, someone asks the wives if Kody has a a schedule to make sure each wife gets equal time. Robyn chimes in saying they “don’t sweat it.” No need for a schedule…We now know that the wives have all said they knew he was at Robyn’s more than her fair share.
3-Dayton has already had eye surgery due to his accident but Robyn wants an additional surgery to improve the droopy eye. (Rightly so, I agree, I would also choose that for my child.) Both Kody and Robyn tell the cameras that they fought and went from doctor to doctor to get one to agree to the surgery because most doctors considered any further surgery at that point to be cosmetic. Contrast to Ysabel with daily debilitating pain and he’s flat out against surgery, period. Didn’t Robyn see some favoritism for her child there?
4-At the retreat in Sedona, they’re asked to place themselves where they feel comfortable and how they feel they are in the relationship. Kody grabs only Robyn’s hand while the others are struggling on where to go and she sees no problem. 😆
5-Robyn admits in more recent times to knowing that Kody would regularly cut into other children’s time to help Sol and Ari, even though Robyn always had a nanny. She told him she thought it would cause problems but Kody insisted. She just threw her hands up and said, Ok, if you insist. She didn’t fight for those other children or wives, didn’t say, “No, you’re not going to cheat those other people because they’re my kids too and I love them and will advocate for them.” Robyn’s bottom line was always taken care of, so no need to worry herself.
So, yeah, a lot of Robyn’s issues are from sneakiness that you either have to pay close attention to or compare it to more recent information that came out from the family. 😄 I agree, on camera, Robyn can appear so sweet and innocent, yet we find little cracks in the foundation when we pay close attention.
She also gaslighted the other wives about these things. "I don't know where Kody is," etc.
Robin manipulated Kody and the other wives by using they're need to be seen as accepting of her by demanding special treatment from the family for her and her kids! From season 1 Robyn NEEDED a night to rotate with the wives before she was married which was actually a weekend bcoz she lived 5 hours away, then she NEEDED the 11 day honeymoon even though Christine had a newborn. Then she NEEDED Kody more bcoz the kids needed to bond with Kody. She NEEDED Kody to be at her house every 2 days bcoz the little kids need him. She NEEDED a nanny bcoz she was too busy with the my sisterwives closets, but refused Christine's help! She NEEDED to move to flaggstaf bcoz her son was accepted there and she couldn't be without her son. She always needed more but never gave anything, but now complains that she was never accepted. That's why the viewers and some of the wives don't like her or trust her!!!
1000000% accurate!!
People hate Robyn because she came to the family with debt and then refused to work and the OG 3 worked to support her and her family. Robyn has manipulated everyone and has a million $ home while Janelle lived in a trailer. She is not about the family, she is all about herself. If she was truly devoted to the family then she wouldn’t have allowed Kody to live with her full time and only visiting his other wives. Robyn set up the catfish, Robyn got Kody to divorce Meri so she could be the legal wife and by being the legal wife she gets half of everything (including the other wife’s assets).
I think everyone really started to hate Robyn when it became clear that she was alienating Kody from his children that were not hers. Especially once the children started coming out and saying it (Gabe crying over losing his father, Garrison asking Robyn if they could have their father back). It is heartbreaking and is completely unacceptable to use your influence in a way that attempts to alienate your husband from his children.
Of course Kody has responsibility in this, but it became clear that Robyn was acting as the “Kody Whisperer” and that her influence was a major contributor to Kody becoming alienated from nearly all his children. Even his minor children were basically abandoned if they were not Robyn’s kids. Even if Kody claimed to make the decisions it was obvious that the Covid “rules” were made up by Robyn, and that it was Robyn who wouldn’t let him leave long enough to go the Ysabel’s surgery.
Christines issue is when you monopolize a man that has 3 other wives, she is going to have a problem with that wife. Robyn started out wanting Kody all the time. Robyn guilts Kody into having to be home every 2 days because Robyn says her kids can't go more than 2 days without seeing their dad, again she is manipulating/monopolizing his time. Kody can't go from Christines house to Janelles, he has to go to Robyns house in between.
Interesting! Thank you for your insight.
I think you will start to understand why people don’t like Robyn when you see the move to Flagstaff and then the Covid rules.
I think you actually explained exactly why people don’t like Robin. We can see how the family was integrating and treating her, so when later she plays the victim people aren’t impressed. On top of that Christine has said she can’t trust a sister wife that would encourage their husband not to treat their wives equally. So when Robin doesn’t object to Kody spending an inordinate amount of time with her (going all the way back to the honeymoon) then why would the wives trust her?
Agreed, Robyn even pointed out on an earlier tell-all, in front of the other wives, that it makes her mad when people say the relationships should be equal because they shouldn’t be equal. They’re only as good as what each person is putting into it. What?? Sounds to me like she’s saying the wives aren’t as good a wife as she is, so naturally they won’t be equal to hers. Why on Earth wouldn’t she advocate for equality? They should all have good marriages, right? Doesn’t sit right with me.
Reasons why Robyn is disliked:
1. Demanding equal rotation time before marriage, which was against the rules.
2. Lied about the wedding dress.
3. Didn’t allow Christine to watch her kids.
4. Has held a grudge on the show against Hunter because he didnt get excited about Solomon and went to hold Truly.
5 pushing Truly away when she was reading to her girls.
6. Kicking the family dog on the show.
7. Logans graduation beame a mess because instead of leaving with the family, she left later and kept calling Kody, making him miss it.
8. Demanding traditions to be change.
9. Recently during the Christmas get togethers she told the kids on the show that the OG family didnt want to see them.
There's so many other examples that are very clear why she's bot liked.
She actually kicked the dog? Yikes!
10. Causing a huge fuss about Meri going back to college and telling her it would ruin M.S.C so Meri didn't go back to school.
11. Telling Meri "There's still hope" and bleeding her finances dry.
12. "Oh that sounds scary" having the boys over to Meri's on Xmas eve.
11. Having the wives pay her $30,000 debt off and getting the big house . 🏡💰
Look at the mortality rate for giving birth in America compared to other countries. It is shocking how terrible the US is for pregnancy!
Agree, it is maddening to read medical statistics about this problem of maternal deathrates during pregnancy in US.
And I wonder if it is about to get worse after Roe v. Wade has been taken down 😢
You guys need to read the book Becoming Sister Wives. It explains a lot about their past and how the family came together. Also, you will for sure see why everyone dislikes Robyn when you get to when Christine made the decision to leave.
I think you TOTALLY nailed why Meri stayed so long!
❤you both ! Feel better soon!
The piñata looking like someone else is from the movie "Nepolean Dynamite" and it is a Mexican thing to make piñatas that look like people, but this is the first time I've heard of it in a wedding! :)
I always enjoy listening to you two react to something I've watched. Sometimes you answer little questions that occurred to me while watching, sometimes you make me think about something I haven't. Thanks again for these great videos.
I really enjoyed your video with Mike King that dropped today
It's interesting because in some ways it does seem like if Meri & Kody were in a monogamous relationship they would have been divorced years ago, but at the same time would they have all these problems if they were in a monogamous relationship? Or even the problems they would have anyway, would they have taken more time caring and giving attention to working through the problems? People likely have more motivation to work on continuing to date their spouse and continuing to create new moments to love when they are in a monogamous relationship.
Very good point.
I had 4 homebirths. I have a midwife there, looking out for any signs of anything abnormal and then there would be a hospital transfer. Sometimes I think it's the interventions themselves that cause the problems - at home you get no drugs to help with pain, no pitocin or things like that.
Nice haircut Sam!
😊agree
Agree
Thank you! 😊
I always appreciate your nuanced takes! I can tell you both are so caring and take time to figure out what you believe is right and wrong by your own standards/feelings. Really appreciate your channel!
Thank you so much!
I have a super rough labor and delivery with my first too and my husband feels the same way.
My issue with Robyn is that she threatened her ex-husband until he gave up his parent parental rights.
Your parental rights means you don’t have a child legally. It also means the child has no right to you. So let’s say one of the the children he shares with Robyn or Robyn’s grandchildren need medical information on a doctors visit they will not and they can’t get it unless they have contact with a different family member who chooses to give them that information.
It also means they’re not notified when he dies. It also means they don’t have a right to anything about him. If Robyn’s grandchild wants to reconnect with that part of their family, unless someone in their family is giving them information they can’t do it. They have no legal right. It also fully disconnects them from the siblings they have from their dad. They don’t have siblings through their dad legally.
It is abusive, and it is dangerous to remove parental rights when there is no need although than selfishness.
They were also using self insurance. They weren’t using insurance from Kody’s work because at the time he had no job that provided insurance so they didn’t need them to be legally adopted by him for insurance. That was a lie.
In fact, they pay less for insurance if he did not adopt them because then they can only take Robyn’s income.
And Christine and several other people were very bored about the reason that they wanted them to be adopted. It’s because they didn’t want the children’s biological family to take them if Robyn died.
The threats they were making to robins ex-husband also had a potential to have his other children removed from his home and put into state care. So she was also threatening her children’s biological siblings and their safety.
That’s why I hate Robyn. I hate Robyn because she is an abusive person who has no care for other people and is OK harming both her children and her children’s biological siblings if it gets her what she wants.
Yes I love the hyping up the haircut!! Y’all look lovely as always ❤
I don’t watch the show, except for the first season. My impression from reading comments that Robin is hated because of Kody. He’s really unpopular and she takes his side. Also, she cries so much, that people feel it’s fake.
She is a manipulator also
I agree, she cries on a dime.
I would not be here if i had my kids at home and not in the Hospital
It’s interesting to hear about the history and what was happening around them while filming. I agree that this is when things begin to shift for Kody and family.
For me, the issue with Robyn is the rewriting of history to make her and her kids look like the victim. Also the way she inserts herself in between relationships and basically diminishes the other wives communication with Kody by “speaking Kody”/telling the wives that they don’t communicate with Kody so unless she was involved in the convo it somehow didn’t count.
Love the haircut!! 💇
Watching a season at a time and watching Meri waffle the whole season is painful. Meri can NEVER make up her mind about anything.
Jessica on escaping polygamy explained to her mother perfectly why she was there protesting polygamy. She didn't know that abuse was illegal, she thought that was normal, but the kingstons always make sure the kids understand that their lifestyle is illegal and to keep it secret. So when the abuse got to be to much for her, she knew she could go to the cops and say, "My parents are polygamists" and she could get help.
Sadly, the Meri situation went on for longer from here than just three years. In the early seasons it was 2 seasons per year but that changed and many seasons are one per year. Sister Wives premiered in Sept 2010, so about 13 1/2 years ago, and there have been 18 seasons. Season 12 originally aired in January 2018 and Season 18 started in August 2023 - so it was about 5 1/2 years!
Sam, yes Krody is a lier! When Kody says something bad about a mom, he's saying bad things about 50% of each child with that mom!
Good summary you two!
What does the picture behind you say? Cloud Adventures? Our Adventures? Ps always love your videos.
It says "Chase Adventures" 😊
The reason Christine was worried about T9ny and Mykeltinwas because she had all this amazing plan for her future she met Tony at 18 years old and within few months of meeting Tony dropped out of college and decided tonget married. Part was cultural as to be intimate they had to marry. While Caleb was a grown man with a job, Tony had no education or prospects. So much so Tony since marring is a stay home dad because Mykelti is the real breadwinner because she ne3d to prove she made the right choice.
Also, Caleb was already a beloved member of the family. They didn't need to get to know him. I think they should have been alarmed about the age difference, but that's a different issue.
Robyn STOPPED Meri from attending college. Y’all might have missed that. Her behavior is selfish and childish. Also, accepting favoritism from Kody makes her complicit.
Yay a new video. You guys look great.
The B&B was reported to have sold to Meri for $80,000.
I don't know if all states have it, but there are Common Law wife laws in at least some states. It would almost take the Polygamous women themselves to put a stop to the bad things that have happened in polygamous communities.
To preface, I have not seen all of Sister Wives. I have largely watched UA-cam videos with clips and commentary, though I did watch all of the season with Christine's 50th birthday party. I feel that Meri has not put a lot of effort into integrating. She does not like to compromise, even at the cost of relationships. It seems to me that she feels they should come around to her solution, either because it's the most logical or because she deserves it.
And that gets me to my opinion on the BnB. In my opinion, Meri felt she deserved the house because she wanted it and it seemed like a big enough gift/action that it would make up somewhat for everything she felt had gone wrong in her life, which could all be traced back to the others not being good enough to her. Meri has felt slighted for a long time.
But she also, until recently, only saw staying as a path. She didn't see other possibilities or options. Saying she chose to stay, I feel, makes it seem as though she saw other options and dismissed them. I think a lot of her rationalizations, her friendship with Robyn in later seasons and her willingness to try for a relationship again and again over the years is because it felt like the only way to survive as Kody's wife.
I have complex opinions on Meri, though. There is a long list of things I could say about her that are negative, but I also have a lot of empathy for parts of her. She didn't deserve the life she had for so long. So much of the things I think negatively about her stem from her desperately trying to meet emotional needs that were severely lacking. I think she could've used good therapy from even before she married Kody because I think a lot of her socioemotional patterns weren't conducive to positive relationships but also because I think she needed support and for her emotional needs to be seen as valid.
When you first started talking, Melissa, you sounded just like Britney Spears ❤ Hope you feel better soon!
Piñata are a Spanish tradition to celebrate a special occasion. They come in different shapes, characters and colors. I mostly saw them during bdays, but it's not uncommon to see them during holidays. Fill them with candy, confetti, small toys. My family would blindfold you and spin you around a few times and let you take a few swings at it. Eventually it would break or parents would break it for us.
It's always fun until someone comes at you with a stick 😂.
Actually it's a Mexican tradition, not Spanish 😊.
@@sarahm9968 whats funny is that I looked it up when I wrote it. I guess it's a debate between indigenous Mexican, Spain, and Chinese 🤷♀️. So who really knows. I went with Spanish because Mexico isn't the only place that practices it. Other Latino countries do.
@blackkittie Spanish people are not Latino, they are Hispanic.
Great video!
My second one was a six day labor. Wheeee!
Wow! Bless your soul
According to Krysten Decker there was a lot of abuse in the AUB as well.
Did Sam get his hairs cut? It looks really good styled like that 🙂
I did and thank you! 😊
Maddie never should have gone through that. That really torqued me.
You should be watching the UK version of the show
So, I love you both, and your eye opening content on polygamist life. BUT, I am not sure about calling Sam an "ex-polygamist." Because he was not a polygamist, but raised in that culture. He hasn't had multiple wives. So he isn't really a polygamist, correct? Or am I wrong? Truly curious!
Does anyone think the reaction to Tony is because he is mexican? Not to bring up the race card, i dont really care for him either, but aren't Mormons against other nationalities? And I never heard of the pinata thing.
Kody always contradicts himself through the episodes 😅 goes from I never loved all my wives except Robyn to I did ...... Because I loved them 😅 ull see it from now forward.
Meri has every right to feel the way she does. She was the legal 1st wife then 2 more come along and then is forced to get a divorce for Robyn. Everything changed in all the wives lives when Robyn joined . I think the men practicing polygamy are ones that don't want to be faithful in a relationship and expect the wife be ok with it so basically he's in an open relationship and the women are monogamous relationship.
Feel better, Melissa! ❤
I would need a C-section, but I heard you don't get to choose that. My sister is pregnant with her 3rd boy. It's going to be her 3rd C-section.
12:40 Sam I do see your point- by the way/reason that they were married you’d expect her to mention it as her reason for staying. But whenever I look back besides talking about how they are polygamous for their religious beliefs they don’t emphasis it as much as I thought they would on tv. So I am really not surprised to not hear Meri mention it.
I think for Meri, her boat was rocked by the emerging Leon .... which TLC was not covering. Its like they very much covered the coming out as gay, having a partner and then the ran from Chicago and went to help grandma at BnB and went into a black hole as far as TLC.
Was Meri having a hard time with the transition? Id imagine that made her not inclined to shift away from the family.
As an adult, i added a d to my given name and learned lots from coworkers, friends, family about how people accept change ... or not. And why. Basically, the ones i thought would scoff were not at all averse and those i thought would say Cool rejected it.
I can only imagine if i told them I waa into same sex, or had gender issues. (I merely disliked the name Mary and thought the d wasnt a big change.)
Do you think if they made polygamy legal, they could protect the kids more. Cause they wouldn't have to go in hiding.
Thinking about first season to season 12, Mary picked the other wives, they all lived in the same house. In the beginning. Expect Robin and that's because the weren't married yet. the other is that the show is one year ahead of the show is. Also, Mary wouldn't have gotten catfished If Kody paid more attention.
They had only met him one or 2 times...she never talked about him etc. So they were shocked when she mentioned marriage...
I totally agree about being confused about the hatred of Robin. She isn’t perfect but she really feels like the scapegoat.
Mexican culture is beautiful. Kinda annoying how their family is oblivious. But it's okay to have 4 wives idk at first they seemed racist to me
Yes.
Haha I didn’t start disliking Robyn until season 15/16. I mean there was a few things she did before where I was like hmm… but Covid definitely exposed more. I mean her saying some really disrespectful things about the others wives during the tell all, her general inability to retain responsibility for anything that’s happened, her overall attitude definitely affected how most ppl view her as a person.
I hate the narcissism of that show!
It's confusing that you both don't see why the audience doesn't like Robyn, and you think Robyn is lying about not being included in the family. Those things seem to contradict each other?
Nice Haircut. 💇
My question... you said how do you not rip apart families when abuse happens. I was wondering if you meant other families (I figured you did) and not the family abusing the kids... because just cause you take one kid away the abuser normally means another will get abused... I hope you meant breaking up other families who don't abuse just because one or a few families do.
If you can't get your marriage back on track in 3 to 6 months of acknowledging that there are issues, it's over. It means that one or both of the partners is not interested. Let go, move on and be happy.
I get the freedom of religion thing, but if you are not following the law is it really ok? The crimes these groups commit do not benefit society, eg child abuse and neglect, sex abuse, financial fraud, evading taxes, etc. While it’s not illegal to stockpile weapons and have a fear of government, it is disturbing to think about what their willingness to use violence if threatened from the outside.
I agree that the vitriol towards Robyn is excessive. We will never know all the details.
The penatsa are Mexican things
Christine seems like a very detached mom and just person really. I don't know, I feel like she is emotionally stunted or something? Something about her is really off to me
I think Christine benefitted by initially being the 3rd leg of the stool that evened out the dysfunction caused primarily by Meri's myriad dysfunctions, and then Robyn becoming a scapegoat as the show started.
She was the impetus with activism that lead to being put in line to get the TV show, which got leaked out later than sooner.
If you look at the timeline of her exiting from the family and the alleged timeline of meeting David, I suspect a lot more lies occurred than were revealed at her early Oct 2023 wedding.
They left Truley to out the fact they were living with David already. The house was purchased by them in April, prior to the alleged engagement that month.
I just don't see Christine meeting someone in December '22 as theyalleged, and comingling money in real estate in April.
Did the online seeing his profile occur from Flagstaff? Maybe her saying bald and biker (or tattoos or whatever it was ) wasn't a lucky foresight of reality, but rather she already knew David.
I'd suspected she had a relationship budding in Salt Lake when she was beelining out of Flagstaff and not waffling at all, and saying so often she wanted a good relationship. She had so many kids, a response more like Janelles would seem more normal if merely stepping away from a bad marriage.
Then the 1st wedding episode outed some, I looked up some info and learned they bought a house under construction in April.... before the public engagement reveal. Fishy.
I think religion does that.
Meri is not perfect by any means, but she was damned if she did and dammed if she didn’t. She became an empty nester and it was implied it was her fault she was lonely. She got zero sympathy from anyone and became an easy target for being scammed by the cat fisher. Yet if Kody AND the other wives had made sure she was included, chances are she wouldn’t have fallen for the scam. She tried to be there for the family, but time and again she was rebuffed. When you repeatedly hit your head against a brick wall, eventually you stop because it hurts too much. This is what Meri did…and so it was was made out to be her fault she was ostracised. During Covid, she followed the rules, yet no one checked up on her or included her, she was alone for months……she was viewed as a resource, nothing more. Ripped off and viewed as a lesser being at every turn because she only had one child. Had to fight for her share of anything. I’m glad she ended up getting the B&B on her own and now seems to be thriving.
And unlike the other adults in that family, you don’t hear Meri speak badly about any of them.
Oh the roller coaster you’re in for! Take some Dramamine
Fabulous faux everything here.
I don't like kody im glad all ofthem left him but they shouldhave left alongtume ago
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I personally think Robyn is too harshly criticized...at least from what I see on the show. I don't think she has asked for much more than the other wives have, but I think Kody, favors her so she gets more of what she asks for. I think we have to remember the religion and Robyn's dedication to plural marriage. It seems to me that she came into a family that she thought was really solid and she expected Kody to treat her like she perceived he treated his other wives. Then be began to favor her. The other wives were rightfully hurt, then Their kids saw it too, then Bitterness grew, then Wives complained to Kody, then Kody may have shared too much of their complaints to Robyn. It seems to me Robyn may just be trying to be a good wife and stay committed to Kody. That is what the religion teaches. And Kody continued to favor her and that ultimately created the rift. Then from there the effects of that may have created scenarios where she said or did things that were passive or passive aggressive. Just my limited opinion though. I love Christine but I think viewers forget about the religion a lot and also forget about some of the ways the other wives have been in the past too.
I feel sorry for Robyn bc I really think she did want her perception of what plural marriage could be and she thought Kody would work for all his marriages like he was working with her. But I am pro-monogamy personally. It's better for kids and the couple. But still I am trying to look at it from their religion.
Have you watched Michelle Stone's UA-cam channel?
It is growing by 1000 subscribers a day and proves beyond doubt that Joseph Smith never remotely practiced or encouraged polygamy in any way.
Nor does the Book of Mormon give any loop hole for polygamy.
"These things" in Jacob 2:30 refers to the abominations of polygamy.
Joseph Smith's journal was altered to make it look like he advocated for polygamy. As was D&C 132.
This was about the time I stopped watching the show for awhile . . . It was just stuck in neutral. 🥱