And that sentient consciousness didn’t do anything. It’s just a copy of someone else and a simulation. Why should it be treated that way? Why should anyone? Everyone gets what they deserve. Karma. Reaping what you sow. Call it what you want. The interrogator deserved to be blocked by all humanity for torturing cookies and having the attitude that they’re not real because they are “just code” and he says they can not feel anything. He doesn’t know what they feel. Turn the argument around and have a computer say that he doesn’t feel anything because he’s just meat.
The whole way he interacted with the female cookie was callous like muting her rather than turn down his earbuds and sentencing her to 3 weeks and 6 months of solitary at the drop of a hat with no discussion while calmly eating his toast like there isn’t this conscious entity suffering at his control.
This episode is superbly written. The pickup artist stuff is pulled from actual PUA techniques, and even the part where Matt coaxes out a confession is done using actual interrogator techniques: calling him "a good man" and telling him that "he's done horrible things too" is right out of the interrogation playbook.
Honestly i find it a bit bullshit, if they had copied the part of her original brain that was fully aware of what was going on and was willing to make a copy of her brain to be her digital helper the helper wouldn't be having an existential crisis
It is obscenely brutal. The six month time composure in the beginning was obscenely brutal. There would not be a mind after a month. Never mind a thousand years a minute. Anyone that would sentence someone, no matter the charge to that horrific fate deserves to have a truckload of blood supply the heart that still beats into the tissue that was once contained by skin. Aka skin the fucker alive.
This cookie thing is one of the most terrifying ideas I've ever seen. For anyone that thought this was intriguing, I also recommend you checking the short story "I have no mouth and I must scream".
I like that thought of yours. "I have no Mouth and I must Scream" is a short story about AI torturing humanity, but it wasn't humanity's fault that AM is limit to a computer's "natural?" restraints, so AM is angry at existence and a few humans are the scape goats. I think the horror with a cookie, is that it's a person that's treated less than a person. I doubt a cookie would lash out at existence like AM did.
its a good thing that, still, we are probably at least 20 years from this being within our reach. We would need processors with about 1 million times the processing power of our current gpus. We almost have super computers that may be capable of simulating a human brain, but that's different than emulating the brain real time. Not to mention it is getting harder and harder to make smaller transistors and there will be a limit. Processors probably will have to be based, not on silicon, but photons, in order to make a processor as small as one of these cookies with the processing power of a human brain.
The pregnant lady was a monster. All those years and she kept the poor guy wondering if he was a dad instead of just owning up to the fact that she cheated
Well it's quite sad and another dark aspect of this episode when you think about it and put yourself in her shoes. She's was so lost loving the wrong guy. She dumped another man for him, she left her job because he was there with his new girl, and she kept a baby, wrecking her life just so she can keep a baby from a man she loved so much she didn't even tell him he's a father so she can keep the baby of him at least untouched.
@@stevenjames5874 yeah it’s definitely the woman’s fault here. We didn’t get to see her “love” the other guy. She cheated and stayed with her boyfriend. That itself makes it all her fault. There’s a long time between cheating and finding out you’re pregnant
@@oriamir8994 That's no need to put youself in her shoes.. wrong = wrong.. she was wrong as a pregnant woman and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
One of the best episode of the show for my part. You feel scary because you can completely imagine this kind of world in less than 20 years. In addition to that, actors are very good and the script.. very well written. This show deserves definitely to be much more famous.
I mean, minus the technology. This happens with prisoners a lot when they're being sentenced. Some get sentenced to 200 years in prison and others get sentenced to death. I in a way kind of believe in the death penalty but it in a way also sort of creeps me out that the state can decide whether a crime is severe enough to be killed for. I mean, I see more then one way. They did something very terrible obviously but it still is scary. Then again, they also can make the decision of how long someone can stay in prison for. Half the time I feel like they didn't keep said prisoner in there then they should've and other times vice versa.
@@PainShape Posted my comment 6 years ago, came back here to watch this masterpiece again and I've just seen your reply ! I can ensure you this is still the best episode of the show and totally worth the watch. Truth is, this episode is even better in 2022 than it felt in 2014. Funny cause on my previous comment I said this show deserves to be more famous. Since then it's been bought by Netflix and kind of became a hit. I didn't like much all the new episodes (only a few), the old show (first two seasons) felt so much better in my opinion, but maybe I'm being nostalgic !
+naturacurat The most frightening part is at 1:10:25 when the cop carelessly, with malice, and a gleam in his eye uses technology to send a sentient being to hell for an incomprehensible amount of time.
+Watson James If something can think or can feel, then it's real. Just because it's not physical, that doesn't mean it's not real. And who are to say it's not real. Making a slave or torturing any being is a sick thought to me. All scenarios were unjust punishments in my opinion, a thinking/feeling being broken and turned into a slave and a man forced to live thousands of years, all alone. The other man was blocked from the entire world for the rest of his life. Punishment should never be cruel and usual in my opinion, and all were both unjust. And of course the woman 'cookie' didn't do anything at all.
+Watson James I actually really like video games, they have never shown any actual intelligence being controlled by the player or being an NPC. They are a wonderful outlet, my only concern with them are kids playing the ultra violent ones, as children have developing brains, are more impulsive, and more likely to repeat what they see/do in a game. But it is up to a parent to decide what games their kids play, no one else's. The likelihood of having an AI with real intelligence or self awareness is very low in my opinion, but still a possibility. But the cookie man and the woman showed real self awareness, that's why I could empathize if this occurs in the real world. Why would the guy need to isolate her. Isolationas been shown to drive people nuts, just look at prisoners locked in their cell 23-24 hours a day. You do not need to use this sort of method on something that is not self-awareness, for instance a simple computer game character (which have shown no defiance from their programming) If she was truly was only coding, then why didn't he just adjust her coding? We are self-aware, yet we are completely code, only of the biological virtuality. DNA is a code, and though scientists mess with it, it has backfired before, maybe messing with the 'cookie' woman's code may have been affected her in an adverse way, and so she would be useless to her 'creators.' I think differently than you, I think with my heart and my brain, and abstractly much of the time. Just because someone thinks in a different way, that doesn't mean they are unintelligent. Furthermore, I have found that people have one of four reactions when they can't back up a claim; they runaway/avoid the discussion, agree to disagree on the topic, acknowledge they are wrong, or they use the age old insults. You opted for option four, instead of discussing it and trying to understand what I believe. I am am going to assume you have had a bad day. So, If you would like to, let's try again. Maybe you will change my mind, or I'll change, or maybe we'll just get a little insight into another's psyche and broaden our horizons, So to speak. I hope you have a great day, God Bless you.
+Luna Wolfe By the way I wrote a lot sorry, I was a little annoyed about a dismissal from a comment that meant to open a discussion between opposing sides. I love discussing difficult and abstract things.
What's so great about how the first story is written is that Jennifer is totally giving off signs of mental instability but the context distracts you from what she's really saying. When the kid is talking to Matt through the comm he's too focused on what Matt's telling him and is oblivious to how off she really is. When you know what happens and watch it again it's so much worse watching him walking right into it.
@@inesfreire9135 to be completely honest, dude was amazing at carrying a conversation on the fly. With nothing but instructions he just flew through the sky, even when there where sudden changed he nailed it with confidence.
I thought they indicated pretty well that she was crazy. She certainly gave off those vibes. You'd think that Matt would have zeroed in on that as he's the expert though.
At the end, assuming she means Christmas the day, then he would spend a million and a half years in that room, with nothing but that song playing over and over. F**k me, that's absolutely terrifying.
I love how that cop hesitates for a second to have some humanity, then lets her darker side take over. So horrifying because this is totally how cops would act if given that power.
Thing is, the show isn't saying it's just the cops who would act that way. Sure, in this case it was the cops, but the show does a really good job of portraying the petty (often emotionally-charged) ways we all can get sucked into behaving. Fucking dark as hell, and super good.
They should have shown what happened to his psyche in a timeline. Like after a couple hours he just starts constantly screaming, after a day or a couple of days he goes completely feral, after a week or a couple of weeks he goes into a sort of conscious coma, and then after a certain amount of months or years he'd probably accept his fate and perform the same tasks at the same time constantly for 1.5 million years. That's true horror...
That girl that cheated made me so mad. I'm furious. She made him go insane thinking he couldn't see his daughter just because she couldn't own up to her cheating? My god.
She was very scrubbish. She made it like 25 meters from her home. I remember the story bout the kid who survived the airplane crash where her parents died and she walked like 4 miles to get help. The kid in this was just so lame
I think 55:10 is my favorite shot of this whole episode: The music, and the snow...and a tortured gentleman who drives every year just to see a glimpse of his child’s shadow...the despair and tragedy...but the hope...
Is this really what our world is going to look like in the future? The scariest thing about the whole series is how everything that you see doesn't seem so far out of reach...
And what's so bad about it? I personally like such future. People have to pay for being selfish. I would personally block loads of morons and offenders out of my life.
@@oficialtf2chanelnftguynow810 Temporary in a different sense. The guy with the snowglobe in his hand looking at him shadily is foreshadowing that someone will kill him at some point.
One terrifying detail no one ever mentions is that every time he smashes the radio it gets LOUDER. It could eventually get loud enough to cause actual pain.
I love how Jon's character is talking to Oona's Cookie as if she's a real human, using gestures, conversational and informative; just as he told her she's not real, just a copy of a real person. It's like deep down he knows her Cookie is a human no matter if she's stuck in a plastic egg. He's knowingly torturing these simulated bits of data, knowing that they think they're real, and behave like a real person would if they knew they were imprisoned; not wanting to obery their captor, trying to escape, then resigning to the fact they're stuck, after they've experienced the harsh punishments given by their captor. Also, how it's shown that being a disembodied voice isn't what the Cookie wants, they want to be as human as they were in the real world. If they weren't real, they wouldn't care about being in a cage. Just like how Siri doesn't care (that we know of).
I saw this episode on TV and thought it was a movie... I'm from Argentina so I had never heard of it... Now, months later, I find out it's actually a TV show. MIND BLOWN. THIS IS THE BEST TV EPISODE/MOVIE EVER!
What I find unthinkable is the woman was willing to have a digital version of her own consciousness enslaved and tortured just so she can have some toast made for her.
That's the real horror in this episode. The brain might be simulated, but the suffering is real. Emotions are nothing more than electrical impulses. Doesn't matter if it comes from a meat brain or a mechanical one.
I think that she doesn't know. As far as she can tell, the programmed an "Alexa" to know how she likes stuff, not knowing they went the extra mile and put an enslaved version of her to do it.
I feel bad for the guy. He just wanted a child, only for his wife to leave him, blocks him, only to find out the baby wasn't even his, and that and the woman's father threw away the letters. He lost everything and snapped, and now he's 25 to life, while his AI's brain is turned to mush.
It's kind of a shit show for both of them. The other guy helped a person get a girlfriend and it ended up with him being blocked from every person on the planet.
+azsxdcfvgbhnjmhn episode three is an example since the wife is a cheating whore, episodes one, two, and three in season two all have female characters that are ether cheating or have done something despicable, last but not least Black Mirror Christmas special is by far the greatest example of this. It shows a cheating wife physically block her husband and ruin his life, it also shows the other view of women which is the despicable suicidal chick. The only episode in the entire series that doesn't make women look shitty is episode 1 from season 1, all the other ones almost always add a label of bitchy cheating wives or girlfriends, and the writer does this because it emphasizes the bleakness of the future. If women, who are supposed to be the nurturing gender in society, go dark, and in some most sociological cases, darker than the men in the series, then it adds a sense of despair to the entire universe, and I say universe because we already know that each episode isin the same world
The cookie thing is terrifying, but it does touch on the usual sci-fi of whether AI is an actual consciousness with a little added bonus of it being a copy of a person.
Imagine spending 1 million 440 thousand years in a room with a single song on full blast and no way to stop it. Also you can't sleep because that's not part of your program so you are stuck fully aware with no breaks and no way to end yourself
@@indiankid8601 AI that thinks and feels like a normal person and thinks it's that person. In real life people haven't cracked what makes a human think like a human so there is nothing like this out there but Black Mirror basically runs on the idea that the human code has been cracked and runs a person perfectly which makes it far more terrifying than anything in real life
Just realized at 39:34 the music she plays to wake the cookie's owner up and the side view of the owner's room are references to Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange, a film about the idea of free will. Every time I watch this episode it gets better and better. Brilliant
The worst part is that the cookie didn’t do anything wrong - it’s just an A.I. Didn’t do the actual murders. If it was never designed or if it never confessed , it wouldn’t have to live through this hell.
THAT'S honestly the most fucked up thing. The guy getting 30-Life for murdering an innocent man and causing the death of his grandchild? Fine. The AI made to confess the crime is innocent.
The first time I watched this episode I didn't realize what was happening on the date until it was too late and he had been poisoned. Truly terrifying. On subsequent viewings, the terror is completely new and equally disturbing... and that was only a small fragment of the episode with horrors yet to come. A true masterpiece in cinema!
Yea, true. First time I watched this it freaked me out. I love the actors who played those two guys in that house though so I keep rewatching, both John Hamm and I think Rafe Spall. They were so good in this.
Everyone's talking about the end, but no one's talking about the first story. It was chilling, the first time I felt like I was really in the shoes of the character being killed.
I watched this when it first came out and remember feeling so mind fucked and sickened that I’d never watch it again. That being said, this episode is a masterpiece in that it achieves the horror aspect in such a way that is unexplainable.
By far the most terrifying episode of the series. There's not a person in existence who would deserve that kind of fate, it's incomprehensible in cruelty.
In the future the police will be able to make a copy of you, get said copy drunk on wine in order to facilitate a confession that is admissible in court against original you, then punish both versions of yourself.
Jon Hamm is an excellent actor, I practically never seen him before watching this. I probably havn't viewed enough media over the last twenty years in order to see him in action, one thing I can say though, he is absolutely superb at playing his role in this movie episode of Black Mirror, White Christmas.
This episode's worth a rewatch. You can see how Matt is leading Joe into a confession through his stories. As soon as he brings up the "block" feature, we see Joe contemplating for a while
This episode made me cry so many timesd because of the desperate helplessness that the man experienced....losing his loved one not being able to do anything... then facing all the dissapointments..........
I'd argue very much that it's demonstrating how much women can gaslight men for right and wrong reasons. Matt deserved it, he was a douche. Joe may have had some flaws but the way his ex wife shut him out without explaining herself was horrible. And everyone takes the woman's side and declares men guilty until proven innocent. The high-profile guilty cases only hide the he said-she said scenarios that can ruin an innocent person's life through trial by social media.
For everyone I know that says technology and scientists have brought us medicine, transportation, and food enhancement, I always remind them it brought us the nuke. I wish we could go back 1000 years.
Isn't fiction wonderful. Pushing cookie-cutter anti-Internet-networking technology of any kind, Amish propaganda for decades with ZERO DIFFERENCE in order to discover NOTHING NUANCED OR NEW about the possibilities of the Internet that's UNCONVENTIONAL and which would ETHICALLY WORK
@@williampoole1742 The good sides that justify science use rational thinking and self-discipline with those technologies. It's the same with social media, even if it were to control much more of our lives & society than they do now
@@williampoole1742 The nuke was a product of a *worldwide war with cartoonish bad guys and people killing themselves instead of escaping their planes with built-in parachutes in their seats* I think we'll be fine this time around... as long was we love each other
The idea of a conscious mind (or a copy thereof) being stuck in a white space or a confined place where there is nothing to do reminds me of that one story by Stephen King titled "The Jaunt", wherein (spoiler alert) teleportation lasts only a few milliseconds for the body, but an entire eternity for the mind.
Yes!! It’s an amazing yet disturbing show! My favorite (less dark) episodes are USS Callister , Hang the DJ, and Nosedive My favorite darker episodes are Shut Up and Dance, Black Museum, and Hated in the Nation!
If clone confessions are as good as regular confessions,and putting clones in solitary for hundreds of years isn't considered brutality, they could stick anyone's clone in solitary for 1000 years and they would confess to anything the police asked them to confess to.
Good point. The episode is really stupid because they could break the guy faster simply putting him in a white room with nothing to do for six months like Jon Hamm did breaking the cookie to be a digital slave. Why waste five years subjective time and by the way it’s ridiculous that they could speed up time so much while Jon Hamm was in the room interacting with the guy. How can he interact with the sim where time is sped up so 17 minutes equals five years?
That’s >154,588 times faster. That’s 42.9 hours in just one second. No way they can compress so much even if they edited out dead time and added filler. They would have to make a sim of Jon Hamm to interrogates the other sim. The plot became silly saying it’s five years for the subject.
@@Bruce_K I think he sped it up so 5 years went by, then slowed it back down and went in. That is why he said "We have lived together 5 years and said almost nothing to each other". I still like this episode. A lot of shows make little sense if you sit and think about them. Maybe he didn't tell the cops to just do solitary because he wanted the cops to think they needed him to get the confession. So he could get the no jail deal for extracting the confession. Another thing, at the end he couldn't talk to anyone or interact with anyone. The police would still need to be able to interact with him and give him orders if they pulled him over for speeding. Also he would need to talk to people at government building to get his driver's license and pay taxes. Also doctors. Things like that. So they would need an exemption for government employees and medical staff who are at work. As a result people like him would always find reasons to get a new ID, go to doctor's office, act suspicious and get pulled over, just to have human interaction. He could find some 300 pound girl who works at the IRS and talk to her just to stay sane.
@@BrettonFerguson- it’s a society without mercy or compassion. Why would they let him talk to anyone? It says he’s blocked by everyone. I assume no exceptions and he’s left to die unless he can get an online job or live on savings and order things online. He can’t interact with people even by email or text. All that’s probably blocked. It has a poetic justice because he can only interact with software code after saying that the cookies are just software code. He could still communicate by writing notes, also singing songs because they can hear the melody but the words are obscured. He could watch old movies and listen to old music maybe. Or instrumental music. He isn’t needed for anything. Someone will attack him randomly as the ending may be suggesting with the snow globe. Isolation would drive most people insane.
@@Bruce_K I get that. But if the cops need to tell him orders like get out of the car or put his hands up, they would need to be able to tell him that. Or if the IRS needed to tell him he needed to pay more taxes, they would need to be able to tell him that. They would need to have exemptions for cops who are on the clock.
Another episode brings more terror to this episode when you realize that Christmas could mean Christmas break which is 10 days. a thousand years a minute. Sixty minutes in an hour. twenty four hours in a day and for ten days? That is 14 million and 400 thousand years. That amount of time with no one to talk to alone will drive anybody insane.
and with non stop music so you can't just rest or sleep or think or focus on anything making time seem to go infinitely slower. and in a white endless void outside. and no recreational options at all like books music tv games hobby materials, nothing. 14 million years of conscious purgatory with looping music so you can't even attempt to pass time in any way shape or form. it's insanity to even begin to imagine.
@@adamandersson1732 I'd say, probably more like 48 hours or longer. My last job, I technically only got the actual holidays themselves off but I requested vacation time too.
kenektik no, the time for the cookie can be sped up or slowed down. So a cookie could experience a second as a real second or a thousand years depending on the wishes of whoever is controlling them.
Rachel Reese Yes, but you can't get around the temporal reality of the real physical world. Even if you didn't chat with people in the real world your internet would be "slow" just owing to server response times and the slowing down of pings by the speed of light relative to the hyper fast time you would be experiencing. E.g. you'd visit Reddit and it would never update.
I watched this episode before becoming a father. Had empathy with the guy's cookie-self ended up living in that cabin for 1000000 years. I have a daughter now who is 5 yrs old and have a 2 yr old son. Just watched the episode again and actually felt happy when he got punished. The girl dying in the cold was too much for me to forgive him. Its crazy how fatherhood changes your entire mindset and even influenced me to feel differently about the ending. He was selfish for just leaving her there I can't believe how blind I was to this fact the first time..
I think the bigger question to ask yourself is that if it's fair for the cookie to be suffering for a crime it did not commit? I think you're right to be happy that normal Joe is getting life, but cookie Joe committed no crimes. It's a sentient AI given the memory of a crime it didn't actually commit. Imagine being given the memory of a crime committed by someone else, and then being punished for it. Would that feel fair to you?
The bigger question is can the science technology of today be this advanced, or is it just a matter of time? Someone had the ability to write this episode, so was he told about that science, discovered it in his own research, or is he just bonkers? Maybe some other reason for writing it? We'll probably never know.
I understand everything except the ending. How does one survive in a world without being able to talk to others? You couldn't buy anything to survive. Did they just expect him to live the life of a homeless hermit?
Well he could move to a commune of people who don't have those technological wiring in their heads? There's no way there aren't any more homegrown organic humans in that world.
How do people on the US sex offender registry live? Huddled in tents under bridges, chased everywhere, unable to get stable employment, constantly forced to abide by increasingly onerous measures, so restrictive they might as well be in prison, not to mention the risk of being murdered by vigilanties. All for in some cases minor offenses such as public urination or doing with their gf or bf something that would have been perfectly legal if they had waited just a couple of weeks. As for the guy, he is a computer guy, so he can make his living doing code. He can order stuff online in if he doesn't feel like dragging his red shade over to a covnenience store where the only interaction he'll get is the stink eye from everyone and the process of paying for which you don't really need to speak. I imagine his days will be filled by watching nature shows, since it's the only thing he'll be able to watch without those annoying gray blobs. Perhaps cartoons are also OK. He might be able to converse with a chatbot. It would be in his interest to go into nature as much as possible just to maintain some degree of psychological sanity, but judging by current laws he'll most likely have severe travel restrictions put in place.
I feel like the fact that no one talks about the first third (which is incredibly disturbing and horrific) is an incredibly strong sign as to how fantastic the rest is.
I've seen this one a good 7-8 times. Just kills me. The only flaw in the movie is that a pregnant mom can't stop a dad from seeing his biological child (unless, like the other guy, you're arrested for being a pepping tom!, Hell, even murderers have fought and won rights to see their children. Even though he got in trouble with the law for accosting her in the street, that wouldn't prevent his right to see the child. The courts would, due to that bit of accosting her in the street (he didn't hit her), would allow supervised visits to his child once that child is born. So to stop that, she would have had to prove it wasn't his child with DNA. Then he would have known it wasn't his child and he would have never went further. But even with that, this is still a perfect horror story. True horror is in the irreversible. Breaks me every time I watch this.
@@fosoofkkkfkfkckd yea and they said in the show that if person blocks you then you are also blocked from the offspring of said person who blocked you.
@@captainbotstick2443 it makes sense. the kid is legally hers and the block is from her and any of her legal offspring. it doesn't matter if the kid isn't biologically his.
Did you guys notice she was singing the song from 1 million merits at 44:36 I legit got goosebumps and Abi's face just came in front of my eyes, poor girl :(
Recently started watching black mirror. 1st season was excellent but the 2nd seasons 2 episodes were underwhelming and i was kinda losing interest. Then this 3rd episode was just mind blowing. Best one so far. To even come up with something like this just crazy. Excited to watch other seasons. Hope they keep up the expectations.
Season 3 is my all time favorite and a lot of fans’ favorites 🙂 You’ll probably enjoy it a lot. Season 4, half of the episodes are phenomenal while the other half is okay Season 5....it could better 😅 I did like it’s first episode though
“Do you know the biggest lesson I learned from what you did? I discovered I have a sort of black-box quick-save feature. In the event of a catastrophic failure, the last two minutes of my life are preserved for analysis. I was able - well, forced really - to relive you killing me. Again and again. Forever.“ -- GLaDOS, Portal 2
This episode disturbed me and made me feel sicker than any gore filled slasher film could. This is true horror.
Like every episode of this show
This episode was particularly more disturbing than the rest. Fucking good show
It really throws some depressive moods of such tortures for one's mind in the distopia pictured here.
Same
1million merits made me feel that exact way. It made me sick
The British people are so good at airing uplifting episodes on Christmas!
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Is it not the same in America, a chore that gets more chorish as you get older. No too hungover to eat in front of all your relatives in your youth?
I’m not a Brit, but I’d take dark and depressing over the same uplifting cheery garbage, any day.
@@keithbentley6081i dont drink
The nonchalance with which they sentence a sentient consciousness to 1.4 million+ years of unchanging solitary hell is genuinely terrifying.
And that sentient consciousness didn’t do anything. It’s just a copy of someone else and a simulation. Why should it be treated that way? Why should anyone? Everyone gets what they deserve. Karma. Reaping what you sow. Call it what you want. The interrogator deserved to be blocked by all humanity for torturing cookies and having the attitude that they’re not real because they are “just code” and he says they can not feel anything. He doesn’t know what they feel. Turn the argument around and have a computer say that he doesn’t feel anything because he’s just meat.
The whole way he interacted with the female cookie was callous like muting her rather than turn down his earbuds and sentencing her to 3 weeks and 6 months of solitary at the drop of a hat with no discussion while calmly eating his toast like there isn’t this conscious entity suffering at his control.
that's not groundbreaking though, that's what much of Christianity believes long before this episode was ever made.
it's crazy how casually they do it. it's terrifying to think that people could do that to other people.
That part always got me the most. 1000 years a minute, had to do the math. Disturbing!
This episode is superbly written. The pickup artist stuff is pulled from actual PUA techniques, and even the part where Matt coaxes out a confession is done using actual interrogator techniques: calling him "a good man" and telling him that "he's done horrible things too" is right out of the interrogation playbook.
Everyone has DONE horrible things. There are no perfect or totally good people.
@@Bruce_K cope?
Wait so does the pick up artist guy actually enslave a copy of people's consciousness?
@@dread1262 yeah, that was his gig.
@@Bogalog fact?
Thousand years a minute. That's obscenely brutal.
i find the scene with the father brutal, total sociopath with no empathy
Honestly i find it a bit bullshit, if they had copied the part of her original brain that was fully aware of what was going on and was willing to make a copy of her brain to be her digital helper the helper wouldn't be having an existential crisis
by the time he gets out of the cookie he would of lived through so much time he'd either be insane or a time god probably insane though
It is obscenely brutal. The six month time composure in the beginning was obscenely brutal. There would not be a mind after a month. Never mind a thousand years a minute. Anyone that would sentence someone, no matter the charge to that horrific fate deserves to have a truckload of blood supply the heart that still beats into the tissue that was once contained by skin. Aka skin the fucker alive.
@Quentin Collins Shouldnt you be in a mason jar on a mantelpiece some where..
This cookie thing is one of the most terrifying ideas I've ever seen.
For anyone that thought this was intriguing, I also recommend you checking the short story "I have no mouth and I must scream".
I like that thought of yours. "I have no Mouth and I must Scream" is a short story about AI torturing humanity, but it wasn't humanity's fault that AM is limit to a computer's "natural?" restraints, so AM is angry at existence and a few humans are the scape goats. I think the horror with a cookie, is that it's a person that's treated less than a person. I doubt a cookie would lash out at existence like AM did.
its a good thing that, still, we are probably at least 20 years from this being within our reach. We would need processors with about 1 million times the processing power of our current gpus. We almost have super computers that may be capable of simulating a human brain, but that's different than emulating the brain real time. Not to mention it is getting harder and harder to make smaller transistors and there will be a limit. Processors probably will have to be based, not on silicon, but photons, in order to make a processor as small as one of these cookies with the processing power of a human brain.
I was enjoying what she was going through, I really was. That control of just making days go by with the press of a button. So satisfying
@Josh Becker it doesnt matter to u whether its digital or not i guarantee u just dnt care as long its not u
@Josh Becker lmao i respect the honesty
The pregnant lady was a monster. All those years and she kept the poor guy wondering if he was a dad instead of just owning up to the fact that she cheated
Well it's quite sad and another dark aspect of this episode when you think about it and put yourself in her shoes. She's was so lost loving the wrong guy. She dumped another man for him, she left her job because he was there with his new girl, and she kept a baby, wrecking her life just so she can keep a baby from a man she loved so much she didn't even tell him he's a father so she can keep the baby of him at least untouched.
@@oriamir8994 dude that's still on her she ruined 3 lives not including her own by letting this dude be blocked with 0 explanation
@@stevenjames5874 yeah it’s definitely the woman’s fault here. We didn’t get to see her “love” the other guy. She cheated and stayed with her boyfriend. That itself makes it all her fault. There’s a long time between cheating and finding out you’re pregnant
@@oriamir8994 That's no need to put youself in her shoes.. wrong = wrong.. she was wrong as a pregnant woman and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
Karma definitely caught up to her as she died in the accident.
Can't believe this video of the whole episode has been on UA-cam for 6 years. But great ! LOL ! The movie is amazingly one of the best in TV history.
6 years!! Amazing first I ever saw it.
Gonna be 7 years in a few days.
@@trinitylivingston1286 and here it is!
@@astralpa and he we are
@@Hirohito_iLoveYoucan’t find other episodes
One of the best episode of the show for my part. You feel scary because you can completely imagine this kind of world in less than 20 years. In addition to that, actors are very good and the script.. very well written. This show deserves definitely to be much more famous.
Feel scared. Some fossilisation of errors in your language learning?
@@keithbentley6081 this was posted 5 years ago, is it worth it?
I’m responding to a 5 month old comment. Was it worth it?
20 years... You're optimistic
I mean, minus the technology. This happens with prisoners a lot when they're being sentenced. Some get sentenced to 200 years in prison and others get sentenced to death. I in a way kind of believe in the death penalty but it in a way also sort of creeps me out that the state can decide whether a crime is severe enough to be killed for. I mean, I see more then one way. They did something very terrible obviously but it still is scary. Then again, they also can make the decision of how long someone can stay in prison for. Half the time I feel like they didn't keep said prisoner in there then they should've and other times vice versa.
@@PainShape Posted my comment 6 years ago, came back here to watch this masterpiece again and I've just seen your reply ! I can ensure you this is still the best episode of the show and totally worth the watch. Truth is, this episode is even better in 2022 than it felt in 2014.
Funny cause on my previous comment I said this show deserves to be more famous. Since then it's been bought by Netflix and kind of became a hit. I didn't like much all the new episodes (only a few), the old show (first two seasons) felt so much better in my opinion, but maybe I'm being nostalgic !
Best episode! More scary than the actual horror movies.
+naturacurat The most frightening part is at 1:10:25 when the cop carelessly, with malice, and a gleam in his eye uses technology to send a sentient being to hell for an incomprehensible amount of time.
+rita janssen-singh I calculated it and he's stuck in there for 525,600,000 years
+Watson James If something can think or can feel, then it's real. Just because it's not physical, that doesn't mean it's not real. And who are to say it's not real. Making a slave or torturing any being is a sick thought to me. All scenarios were unjust punishments in my opinion, a thinking/feeling being broken and turned into a slave and a man forced to live thousands of years, all alone. The other man was blocked from the entire world for the rest of his life. Punishment should never be cruel and usual in my opinion, and all were both unjust. And of course the woman 'cookie' didn't do anything at all.
+Watson James
I actually really like video games, they have never shown any actual intelligence being controlled by the player or being an NPC. They are a wonderful outlet, my only concern with them are kids playing the ultra violent ones, as children have developing brains, are more impulsive, and more likely to repeat what they see/do in a game. But it is up to a parent to decide what games their kids play, no one else's.
The likelihood of having an AI with real intelligence or self awareness is very low in my opinion, but still a possibility. But the cookie man and the woman showed real self awareness, that's why I could empathize if this occurs in the real world.
Why would the guy need to isolate her. Isolationas been shown to drive people nuts, just look at prisoners locked in their cell 23-24 hours a day. You do not need to use this sort of method on something that is not self-awareness, for instance a simple computer game character (which have shown no defiance from their programming) If she was truly was only coding, then why didn't he just adjust her coding?
We are self-aware, yet we are completely code, only of the biological virtuality. DNA is a code, and though scientists mess with it, it has backfired before, maybe messing with the 'cookie' woman's code may have been affected her in an adverse way, and so she would be useless to her 'creators.'
I think differently than you, I think with my heart and my brain, and abstractly much of the time. Just because someone thinks in a different way, that doesn't mean they are unintelligent.
Furthermore, I have found that people have one of four reactions when they can't back up a claim; they runaway/avoid the discussion, agree to disagree on the topic, acknowledge they are wrong, or they use the age old insults. You opted for option four, instead of discussing it and trying to understand what I believe.
I am am going to assume you have had a bad day. So, If you would like to, let's try again. Maybe you will change my mind, or I'll change, or maybe we'll just get a little insight into another's psyche and broaden our horizons, So to speak.
I hope you have a great day, God Bless you.
+Luna Wolfe By the way I wrote a lot sorry, I was a little annoyed about a dismissal from a comment that meant to open a discussion between opposing sides. I love discussing difficult and abstract things.
What's so great about how the first story is written is that Jennifer is totally giving off signs of mental instability but the context distracts you from what she's really saying. When the kid is talking to Matt through the comm he's too focused on what Matt's telling him and is oblivious to how off she really is. When you know what happens and watch it again it's so much worse watching him walking right into it.
+Alex Loupe it was pretty obvious she was mentally unstable from what she was saying first time around fam
It was so creepy i felt so bad for the guy, he just wanted a nice time 😬
@@inesfreire9135 to be completely honest, dude was amazing at carrying a conversation on the fly. With nothing but instructions he just flew through the sky, even when there where sudden changed he nailed it with confidence.
Yeah that’s how I was watching it this time around, she was giving hints, very well made this episode was.
I thought they indicated pretty well that she was crazy. She certainly gave off those vibes. You'd think that Matt would have zeroed in on that as he's the expert though.
At the end, assuming she means Christmas the day, then he would spend a million and a half years in that room, with nothing but that song playing over and over. F**k me, that's absolutely terrifying.
I love how that cop hesitates for a second to have some humanity, then lets her darker side take over. So horrifying because this is totally how cops would act if given that power.
Thing is, the show isn't saying it's just the cops who would act that way. Sure, in this case it was the cops, but the show does a really good job of portraying the petty (often emotionally-charged) ways we all can get sucked into behaving. Fucking dark as hell, and super good.
They should have shown what happened to his psyche in a timeline. Like after a couple hours he just starts constantly screaming, after a day or a couple of days he goes completely feral, after a week or a couple of weeks he goes into a sort of conscious coma, and then after a certain amount of months or years he'd probably accept his fate and perform the same tasks at the same time constantly for 1.5 million years. That's true horror...
@@williampoole1742 that’s exactly what we do every day, only difference is he’s in like a prison and we have release of death
@Josh Becker Thank you Josh, and absolutely exsquisite explanation of the more objective reality
This episode is the greatest piece of media I've seen in a decade.
watch the seasons
Chrisko1492 i found the 15 million merits one to be awesome.... so much emotion...
Man, i consume a lot of SciFi and I like UK made the most... and I find myself to totally agree with you! This is gold!
One of the best episodes of any modern tv show
@@Fishsticka I want to know for what reason you rate it so highly.
That girl that cheated made me so mad. I'm furious. She made him go insane thinking he couldn't see his daughter just because she couldn't own up to her cheating? My god.
I thought the same thing.
Yes, she is a true bitch indeed
totally agree
***** The thing during the credits was just an announcement for another show coming on next.
She made him stalk her for four years? That was his piss-poor and illegal choice.
The image of that little girl walking into the snowstorm has haunted me since this episode aired. Fucking devastating.
Yeah. This, for me, is still the most horrifying episode of Black Mirror, and that moment is the most horrifying of the episode.
She was very scrubbish. She made it like 25 meters from her home. I remember the story bout the kid who survived the airplane crash where her parents died and she walked like 4 miles to get help. The kid in this was just so lame
@@crowntotheundergroud You're really talking shit about a little kid who died? Damn.
@@TimeandMonotony I mean, it's not a real kid.
@@TimeandMonotony i think theyre trying to point out a plothole.
During the first part with Harry and meeting girls, he probably could have just hooked up with the blonde. She may not have tried to kill him.
>may*
priceless.
"May not have tried" 🤣
What are the chances he meets two murder suicide fueled women in the same bar lol
@@williampoole1742 In the Black Mirror universe, maybe 2:1.
Most women try one away or another.
@@williampoole1742 That’s a crazy ass bar
I think 55:10 is my favorite shot of this whole episode:
The music, and the snow...and a tortured gentleman who drives every year just to see a glimpse of his child’s shadow...the despair and tragedy...but the hope...
Is this really what our world is going to look like in the future? The scariest thing about the whole series is how everything that you see doesn't seem so far out of reach...
+Lemonducky86 you are right....that is scary af
I wonder if we'll even notice if and when it happens; change is gradual after all.
I'd give anything to see what humanity looks like in 100 years.
And what's so bad about it? I personally like such future. People have to pay for being selfish. I would personally block loads of morons and offenders out of my life.
+Sergey Chalkov, you do realize that many people that you do or do nor know will do the same to you?
MrKeotan I actually do. And I don't mind.
Although Matt is an A.I. abuser and a peeping Tom, I can't imagine how terrifying it is the fate of being "blocked" by the entire world.
I just hope it was temporary. Probably 2 weeks or so.
@@oficialtf2chanelnftguynow810 Temporary in a different sense. The guy with the snowglobe in his hand looking at him shadily is foreshadowing that someone will kill him at some point.
People with severe mental health conditions deal with this every day...
Being absolutely alone, a fate worse than death.
@@josias2510 The real version of hell.
One terrifying detail no one ever mentions is that every time he smashes the radio it gets LOUDER. It could eventually get loud enough to cause actual pain.
"Seeing something was better than nothing"- brilliant script
the cookie dude essentially got handed a death sentence at the end, damn. this is one of the best black mirror episodes - hands down
Good subtle foreshadowing with Joe continually slamming glasses of wine, and there always being enough left in one bottle. "Something's... not right."
This makes me wonder if he could help pass the time by being absolutely shit faced drunk all the time😭 since the alcohol always replenishes.
This is by far the best episode of Black Mirror.
Who ever thought up of this story is crazy, it's so original and scary.
That would be Charlie Brooker, a brilliant writer. you should look him up. he's done a lot of other great stuff too.
I love how Jon's character is talking to Oona's Cookie as if she's a real human, using gestures, conversational and informative; just as he told her she's not real, just a copy of a real person. It's like deep down he knows her Cookie is a human no matter if she's stuck in a plastic egg.
He's knowingly torturing these simulated bits of data, knowing that they think they're real, and behave like a real person would if they knew they were imprisoned; not wanting to obery their captor, trying to escape, then resigning to the fact they're stuck, after they've experienced the harsh punishments given by their captor.
Also, how it's shown that being a disembodied voice isn't what the Cookie wants, they want to be as human as they were in the real world. If they weren't real, they wouldn't care about being in a cage. Just like how Siri doesn't care (that we know of).
I saw this episode on TV and thought it was a movie...
I'm from Argentina so I had never heard of it...
Now, months later, I find out it's actually a TV show.
MIND BLOWN.
THIS IS THE BEST TV EPISODE/MOVIE EVER!
+Ana Hernandez Im also from Argentina, watch "15 million Merits" i think its Season 1 Episode 2 its amazing too
What I find unthinkable is the woman was willing to have a digital version of her own consciousness enslaved and tortured just so she can have some toast made for her.
Not everyone has empathy for AI, because well they're not real, so if that was a real thing it wouldn't suprise me that some people would do it
I found the whole toast thing so hilarious, I mean she has to put the bread in the toaster herself the AI can't do that lol
That's the real horror in this episode. The brain might be simulated, but the suffering is real. Emotions are nothing more than electrical impulses. Doesn't matter if it comes from a meat brain or a mechanical one.
I think that she doesn't know. As far as she can tell, the programmed an "Alexa" to know how she likes stuff, not knowing they went the extra mile and put an enslaved version of her to do it.
F'n oath, I agree totally.
I feel bad for the guy. He just wanted a child, only for his wife to leave him, blocks him, only to find out the baby wasn't even his, and that and the woman's father threw away the letters. He lost everything and snapped, and now he's 25 to life, while his AI's brain is turned to mush.
It's kind of a shit show for both of them. The other guy helped a person get a girlfriend and it ended up with him being blocked from every person on the planet.
+Malthizar he shouldnt have been a lemon
+Angelo Pro they don't make the men saints either
+Angelo Pro I think youre full of shit, if that stuff is proof of misogyny then this episode is proof of misandry
where do you pull this crap out of?
+azsxdcfvgbhnjmhn episode three is an example since the wife is a cheating whore, episodes one, two, and three in season two all have female characters that are ether cheating or have done something despicable, last but not least Black Mirror Christmas special is by far the greatest example of this. It shows a cheating wife physically block her husband and ruin his life, it also shows the other view of women which is the despicable suicidal chick. The only episode in the entire series that doesn't make women look shitty is episode 1 from season 1, all the other ones almost always add a label of bitchy cheating wives or girlfriends, and the writer does this because it emphasizes the bleakness of the future. If women, who are supposed to be the nurturing gender in society, go dark, and in some most sociological cases, darker than the men in the series, then it adds a sense of despair to the entire universe, and I say universe because we already know that each episode isin the same world
The cookie thing is terrifying, but it does touch on the usual sci-fi of whether AI is an actual consciousness with a little added bonus of it being a copy of a person.
Well crafted episode, felt like a continuation of the ideas used in The Entire History of You. Also, great casting of Jon Hamm.
One of my favorite actors tbh.
Imagine spending 1 million 440 thousand years in a room with a single song on full blast and no way to stop it. Also you can't sleep because that's not part of your program so you are stuck fully aware with no breaks and no way to end yourself
@@OverRule1eag it is just a computer code.
Pretty sure you have done worse things to ai in your video games
@@indiankid8601 AI that thinks and feels like a normal person and thinks it's that person. In real life people haven't cracked what makes a human think like a human so there is nothing like this out there but Black Mirror basically runs on the idea that the human code has been cracked and runs a person perfectly which makes it far more terrifying than anything in real life
If "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" had TV offspring it would be this show. Fantastic writing.
This show is based off of The Twilight Zone
+Masi you are a fucking idiot
+Cedric Beetlebuss III The immaturity is strong in you!
+Masi you are hilarious
This is the twilight zone but with a evil future tech twist.
since its dystopia its brilliantly depressing and suffocating. imperfectally beautiful.
White Christmas was the best episode of the set.
Easily to this day.
Just realized at 39:34 the music she plays to wake the cookie's owner up and the side view of the owner's room are references to Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange, a film about the idea of free will. Every time I watch this episode it gets better and better. Brilliant
The worst part is that the cookie didn’t do anything wrong - it’s just an A.I. Didn’t do the actual murders. If it was never designed or if it never confessed , it wouldn’t have to live through this hell.
THAT'S honestly the most fucked up thing. The guy getting 30-Life for murdering an innocent man and causing the death of his grandchild? Fine. The AI made to confess the crime is innocent.
The first time I watched this episode I didn't realize what was happening on the date until it was too late and he had been poisoned. Truly terrifying. On subsequent viewings, the terror is completely new and equally disturbing... and that was only a small fragment of the episode with horrors yet to come. A true masterpiece in cinema!
Yea, true. First time I watched this it freaked me out. I love the actors who played those two guys in that house though so I keep rewatching, both John Hamm and I think Rafe Spall. They were so good in this.
@@trinitylivingston1286 John Hamm is incredible in that.
This episode and The Entire History of You always haunts me to the core. The deception is written so brutally it makes my heart hurt.
They probably could've made each of these stories individual episodes. But they gifted us with three Black Mirrors wrapped in a fourth Black Mirror.
Holy shit, I can't believe this is on UA-cam for free. I'm thanking my lucky stars today! Thank you so much Wolfgang for uploading this! 😊
This was the best episode out of the series, IMO. And it was so dark, so many times; but it was written so excellently.
Everyone's talking about the end, but no one's talking about the first story. It was chilling, the first time I felt like I was really in the shoes of the character being killed.
The gut punch of him seeing his wife's daughter for the first time and putting it all together legitimately depresses me
and me
HD whole episode on youtube ? wow. thanks btw
during the operation i almost had a sobbing nervous breakdown. taking my reality away from me is one of my biggest nightmares.
jesus christ fuck that
You should definitly watch the second episode of season 3 then
Or the choise
they also did that on the star trek episode as well
@@pantarei8382 the choice?
Same, but if this freaks you out then you should see Black Museum and USS Callister.
I watched this when it first came out and remember feeling so mind fucked and sickened that I’d never watch it again. That being said, this episode is a masterpiece in that it achieves the horror aspect in such a way that is unexplainable.
I dont really watch tv but i love this show. its like were living in it.
That’s every great tv show. You just don’t watch them
By far the most terrifying episode of the series. There's not a person in existence who would deserve that kind of fate, it's incomprehensible in cruelty.
except ted bundy
Ikr. And so how crazy is it that billions of people really believe in eternal damnation.
Hitler? Literally any serial killer?
@Trollionaire-mn9nm no, I don't even believe hitler deserves a punishment as sick as that. Eternal damnation is only warranted for eternal cruelty.
@@Lunar-dx8pv what does “eternal cruelty” mean.
He smashes the radio - and there is another in its place...OMG... This is the best series ever.
In the future the police will be able to make a copy of you, get said copy drunk on wine in order to facilitate a confession that is admissible in court against original you, then punish both versions of yourself.
Don't worry, in the future, cops will still continue to unload entire ammunition into people with cellphones and veterans adjusting their waistband.
Not if you don't get that implant. It might be involuntary though.
that wouldnt be admissible in court at all
Crazy....
that makes no sense
Jon Hamm is an excellent actor, I practically never seen him before watching this. I probably havn't viewed enough media over the last twenty years in order to see him in action, one thing I can say though, he is absolutely superb at playing his role in this movie episode of Black Mirror, White Christmas.
You never saw Mad Men?
One of my favorite christmas movies.
first time i watch this show, this is the first episode, and im blown away...this is amazing writing..wow
Ya this was my first ep, only problem was it made some of the other eps kinda bad
@@moharshad6882 i can totally understand the feeling
This episode's worth a rewatch. You can see how Matt is leading Joe into a confession through his stories. As soon as he brings up the "block" feature, we see Joe contemplating for a while
A million years of listening to the song you murdered too and the day you listened too with the image of the little girl you killed. Crazy stuff.
1000 years a minute, even if was on just for the weekend holy shit, no sleep just the same music again and again
I've never experienced chills as strong as when I watch black mirror.
This episode made me cry so many timesd because of the desperate helplessness that the man experienced....losing his loved one not being able to do anything...
then facing all the dissapointments..........
This movie is great, my friend.
Isn't technology wonderful. In trying to make a heaven we're making a hell.
I'd argue very much that it's demonstrating how much women can gaslight men for right and wrong reasons. Matt deserved it, he was a douche. Joe may have had some flaws but the way his ex wife shut him out without explaining herself was horrible. And everyone takes the woman's side and declares men guilty until proven innocent. The high-profile guilty cases only hide the he said-she said scenarios that can ruin an innocent person's life through trial by social media.
For everyone I know that says technology and scientists have brought us medicine, transportation, and food enhancement, I always remind them it brought us the nuke. I wish we could go back 1000 years.
Isn't fiction wonderful. Pushing cookie-cutter anti-Internet-networking technology of any kind, Amish propaganda for decades with ZERO DIFFERENCE in order to discover NOTHING NUANCED OR NEW about the possibilities of the Internet that's UNCONVENTIONAL and which would ETHICALLY WORK
@@williampoole1742
The good sides that justify science use rational thinking and self-discipline with those technologies. It's the same with social media, even if it were to control much more of our lives & society than they do now
@@williampoole1742
The nuke was a product of a *worldwide war with cartoonish bad guys and people killing themselves instead of escaping their planes with built-in parachutes in their seats*
I think we'll be fine this time around... as long was we love each other
But who put the toasts in the toaster?
Toaster Fairy!
also the cookie version of her should know what it is already cuz she knew what it was going into the operation.
My thoughts exactly 🤣
Did she know though? Exactly how it works?
@@ryanbrown1918 I think it was marketed as something that memorizes their habits, not something that literally copies their consciousness
If that guy stayed in there for 1000 years a minute for Christmas, thats 1,440,000 years. ALONE! WITH THE SAME FUCKING SONG PLAYING! FUCK THAT!
The song probably changed after 3-4 minutes.
3-4 thousand years*
It's my favourite Christmas carol ever! But listening to so many fucking times I wonder if I'll ever get bored of it. 😂😂
it's code,it doesn't matter
Binary Lives Matter!
Best thing put on film in a while, so good.
The idea of a conscious mind (or a copy thereof) being stuck in a white space or a confined place where there is nothing to do reminds me of that one story by Stephen King titled "The Jaunt", wherein (spoiler alert) teleportation lasts only a few milliseconds for the body, but an entire eternity for the mind.
My thoughts exactly.
One of the best movies I've ever seen
You have control over the door system... The electronics... and a full set of cameras... BURN IT ALL TO HELL!
GLaDOS: perfection
I didnt know what to expect as B Mirror was a recent recommendation..... i was shocked and slack jawed ! Excellent.... Scary
Yes!! It’s an amazing yet disturbing show!
My favorite (less dark) episodes are USS Callister , Hang the DJ, and Nosedive
My favorite darker episodes are Shut Up and Dance, Black Museum, and Hated in the Nation!
If clone confessions are as good as regular confessions,and putting clones in solitary for hundreds of years isn't considered brutality, they could stick anyone's clone in solitary for 1000 years and they would confess to anything the police asked them to confess to.
Good point. The episode is really stupid because they could break the guy faster simply putting him in a white room with nothing to do for six months like Jon Hamm did breaking the cookie to be a digital slave. Why waste five years subjective time and by the way it’s ridiculous that they could speed up time so much while Jon Hamm was in the room interacting with the guy. How can he interact with the sim where time is sped up so 17 minutes equals five years?
That’s >154,588 times faster. That’s 42.9 hours in just one second. No way they can compress so much even if they edited out dead time and added filler. They would have to make a sim of Jon Hamm to interrogates the other sim. The plot became silly saying it’s five years for the subject.
@@Bruce_K I think he sped it up so 5 years went by, then slowed it back down and went in. That is why he said "We have lived together 5 years and said almost nothing to each other". I still like this episode. A lot of shows make little sense if you sit and think about them. Maybe he didn't tell the cops to just do solitary because he wanted the cops to think they needed him to get the confession. So he could get the no jail deal for extracting the confession.
Another thing, at the end he couldn't talk to anyone or interact with anyone. The police would still need to be able to interact with him and give him orders if they pulled him over for speeding. Also he would need to talk to people at government building to get his driver's license and pay taxes. Also doctors. Things like that. So they would need an exemption for government employees and medical staff who are at work. As a result people like him would always find reasons to get a new ID, go to doctor's office, act suspicious and get pulled over, just to have human interaction. He could find some 300 pound girl who works at the IRS and talk to her just to stay sane.
@@BrettonFerguson- it’s a society without mercy or compassion. Why would they let him talk to anyone? It says he’s blocked by everyone. I assume no exceptions and he’s left to die unless he can get an online job or live on savings and order things online. He can’t interact with people even by email or text. All that’s probably blocked. It has a poetic justice because he can only interact with software code after saying that the cookies are just software code. He could still communicate by writing notes, also singing songs because they can hear the melody but the words are obscured. He could watch old movies and listen to old music maybe. Or instrumental music. He isn’t needed for anything. Someone will attack him randomly as the ending may be suggesting with the snow globe. Isolation would drive most people insane.
@@Bruce_K I get that. But if the cops need to tell him orders like get out of the car or put his hands up, they would need to be able to tell him that. Or if the IRS needed to tell him he needed to pay more taxes, they would need to be able to tell him that. They would need to have exemptions for cops who are on the clock.
this was awesome! I was confused as to how everything would fit together and then boom.
Perfect. This is why I think the idea of "mind-preservation" is the result of false conception about who you are and what your consciousness is.
Another episode brings more terror to this episode when you realize that Christmas could mean Christmas break which is 10 days. a thousand years a minute. Sixty minutes in an hour. twenty four hours in a day and for ten days? That is 14 million and 400 thousand years. That amount of time with no one to talk to alone will drive anybody insane.
This is what's implied, because that's when they're back to work. Most people seem to believe it's 24h which probably isn't the case
and with non stop music so you can't just rest or sleep or think or focus on anything making time seem to go infinitely slower. and in a white endless void outside. and no recreational options at all like books music tv games hobby materials, nothing. 14 million years of conscious purgatory with looping music so you can't even attempt to pass time in any way shape or form. it's insanity to even begin to imagine.
I think it depends on how long their Christmas break is. Some work places, it's only two days and others it's longer.
@@adamandersson1732 I'd say, probably more like 48 hours or longer. My last job, I technically only got the actual holidays themselves off but I requested vacation time too.
it would drive anyone insane just being 2 years of that, nevermind 14 million
At least give the Cookies access to the internet :/
All alone with the internet all day? Can you spell *Mentally Damaged*? lol
With every 1000 years taking a minute to unfold, it would take 5000 years just to stream a youtube video :P
kenektik no, the time for the cookie can be sped up or slowed down. So a cookie could experience a second as a real second or a thousand years depending on the wishes of whoever is controlling them.
Rachel Reese Yes, but you can't get around the temporal reality of the real physical world. Even if you didn't chat with people in the real world your internet would be "slow" just owing to server response times and the slowing down of pings by the speed of light relative to the hyper fast time you would be experiencing.
E.g. you'd visit Reddit and it would never update.
What if they do and your just inside right now?
Merry Christmas!
One of the Best movies I've ever seen.
I watched this episode before becoming a father. Had empathy with the guy's cookie-self ended up living in that cabin for 1000000 years. I have a daughter now who is 5 yrs old and have a 2 yr old son. Just watched the episode again and actually felt happy when he got punished. The girl dying in the cold was too much for me to forgive him. Its crazy how fatherhood changes your entire mindset and even influenced me to feel differently about the ending. He was selfish for just leaving her there I can't believe how blind I was to this fact the first time..
I think the bigger question to ask yourself is that if it's fair for the cookie to be suffering for a crime it did not commit?
I think you're right to be happy that normal Joe is getting life, but cookie Joe committed no crimes. It's a sentient AI given the memory of a crime it didn't actually commit.
Imagine being given the memory of a crime committed by someone else, and then being punished for it. Would that feel fair to you?
The bigger question is can the science technology of today be this advanced, or is it just a matter of time? Someone had the ability to write this episode, so was he told about that science, discovered it in his own research, or is he just bonkers? Maybe some other reason for writing it? We'll probably never know.
I understand everything except the ending. How does one survive in a world without being able to talk to others? You couldn't buy anything to survive. Did they just expect him to live the life of a homeless hermit?
Psychologically he would go mad. But he can communicate with people through writing.
+Joseph Gutman You'd have to do all your shopping online, including groceries.
@@RayramAureanBlue correct, and likely get an online job. or if the prices are displayed he can give the money to whoever is selling
Well he could move to a commune of people who don't have those technological wiring in their heads? There's no way there aren't any more homegrown organic humans in that world.
How do people on the US sex offender registry live? Huddled in tents under bridges, chased everywhere, unable to get stable employment, constantly forced to abide by increasingly onerous measures, so restrictive they might as well be in prison, not to mention the risk of being murdered by vigilanties. All for in some cases minor offenses such as public urination or doing with their gf or bf something that would have been perfectly legal if they had waited just a couple of weeks.
As for the guy, he is a computer guy, so he can make his living doing code. He can order stuff online in if he doesn't feel like dragging his red shade over to a covnenience store where the only interaction he'll get is the stink eye from everyone and the process of paying for which you don't really need to speak. I imagine his days will be filled by watching nature shows, since it's the only thing he'll be able to watch without those annoying gray blobs. Perhaps cartoons are also OK. He might be able to converse with a chatbot. It would be in his interest to go into nature as much as possible just to maintain some degree of psychological sanity, but judging by current laws he'll most likely have severe travel restrictions put in place.
I feel like the fact that no one talks about the first third (which is incredibly disturbing and horrific) is an incredibly strong sign as to how fantastic the rest is.
Astonishingly, devastatingly brilliant.
Best episode of the series
First time I've ever watched Black Mirror, and this is outstanding. I'm going to have to check out some more. Thanks for the upload!
Great series, later seasons after the Netflix pick-up are a little spotty but still worth a watch
This feels like the right Christmas vibe in 2021.
Reminds me of Twilight Zone, but technology themed. Fucking awful to be shadowbanned in real life.
Best episode imo, don't get me wrong they had some great ones... But this one is truly disturbing
this show is mind bending
Lol thanks Cindy for your love💕💕💕💕💕💕💕and I hope you like it💗
This is one of my favorite episodes.
I've seen this one a good 7-8 times. Just kills me.
The only flaw in the movie is that a pregnant mom can't stop a dad from seeing his biological child (unless, like the other guy, you're arrested for being a pepping tom!, Hell, even murderers have fought and won rights to see their children.
Even though he got in trouble with the law for accosting her in the street, that wouldn't prevent his right to see the child. The courts would, due to that bit of accosting her in the street (he didn't hit her), would allow supervised visits to his child once that child is born.
So to stop that, she would have had to prove it wasn't his child with DNA. Then he would have known it wasn't his child and he would have never went further.
But even with that, this is still a perfect horror story. True horror is in the irreversible. Breaks me every time I watch this.
Bruh the laws could be different by then, this is obviously in a futuristic timeline where technology like this exists and is used by everyone.
@@fosoofkkkfkfkckd yea and they said in the show that if person blocks you then you are also blocked from the offspring of said person who blocked you.
And to add to what I said prior, the kid wasn't even his apparently.
Well the kid wasn’t his so it still does make sense he couldn’t see her
@@captainbotstick2443 it makes sense. the kid is legally hers and the block is from her and any of her legal offspring. it doesn't matter if the kid isn't biologically his.
Did you guys notice she was singing the song from 1 million merits at 44:36 I legit got goosebumps and Abi's face just came in front of my eyes, poor girl :(
Do u know where can i watch other episodes??
@@Scheider468Netflix
@@Scheider468 Netflix
After seeing this episode I feel soooo ashamed, because I killed a SIMS character once. Deliberately.
I am a monster. :'(
What. Is. My. Purpose?
"You make toast"
O. My. God.
"my job is to explain this the best i can"
"you are you. but also not"
Amazing episode. Haunting. Not gonna lie, though, the surprise Chinese daughter reveal made me laugh. Really hard.
By far the best black mirror episode
This man is so gorgeous🎉
Recently started watching black mirror. 1st season was excellent but the 2nd seasons 2 episodes were underwhelming and i was kinda losing interest. Then this 3rd episode was just mind blowing. Best one so far. To even come up with something like this just crazy. Excited to watch other seasons. Hope they keep up the expectations.
Season 3 is my all time favorite and a lot of fans’ favorites 🙂 You’ll probably enjoy it a lot.
Season 4, half of the episodes are phenomenal while the other half is okay
Season 5....it could better 😅 I did like it’s first episode though
@@fd3 just completed 2 episodes of season 3. They're great so far. Especially "Nose Dive"
Still one of the more mind blowing ones. Same with Black Musuem and USS Callister. Season 5 was just kind of boring compared to the rest.
El mejor episodio de Black Mirror y el que más me traumatizó, una obra maestra.
“Do you know the biggest lesson I learned from what you did? I discovered I have a sort of black-box quick-save feature. In the event of a catastrophic failure, the last two minutes of my life are preserved for analysis. I was able - well, forced really - to relive you killing me. Again and again. Forever.“ -- GLaDOS, Portal 2
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This episode was just fucking brilliant. It blew my MIND.
It's a master piece
Best episode so far.
A good serie to do freaking nightmares (and worse than horror movies' ones). Each episode is AWESOME, f**k the future !!