Why Do Blue-Collar Americans Like Trump? I Interview with Batya Ungar-Sargon
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2024
- Batya Ungar-Sargon, opinion editor at Newsweek, talks about her new book: 'Second Class: How the Elites Betrayed America's Working Men and Women.'
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I’m a college educated Nurse. I’ve worked 35 years. I am NOT an elite. I did not. Betray working people. You add to the division. It’s not either or. Look at yourselves. What part do you hav in it. I never hear what you guys added to this
If you are pro illegal immigration, if you are pro globlization and shipping jobs overseas, then you have betrayed working people. If you have not, then yeah, you did not betray working people.
Nurses used to go to nursing school. Now they go to college. It is very expensive, and unnecessary. The old diploma schools were excellent and cheap.This transition was done for the benefit of the college industry, not for nurses or their patients.
She is a good representation of MAGA, l never quite heard it explained that way…she was very good. Great job 👏🏼
the problem is the willful ignorance of the personal qualities of Trump and many of the things he's said and done. maybe he's a champion of the common man but he's way way to flawed for me.
I am not a MAGA supporter but I appreciated her passion and the way she explained why his supporters do things we would consider inexplicable.
She seems like a really good journalist, mainly because when I listen to her speak, I feel like she's easy to talk to. Like I can open up to her, like she's a friend of mine.
the shift began with reagan and the working class 'reagan democrats' in 1980 .. a group that had benefitted from strong unions and sharing gains from high productivity .. who then became more conservative as they aged and had something to 'protect' .. all that despite reagan's policies that undermined them and their children .. before 1984 social security benefits were NOT TAXED .. and it was no-tax reagan who then made it worse !!
Reagan democrats were not union workers. Get your facts straight. On the other hand, Bill Clinton, and the democratic leadership council are actually Reaganites, and Obama is also a Reaganite.
Bingo!!!! And also Ronald Reagan implemented the 1986 Immigration Reform Act that allowed millions of illegal immigrants to become legal citizens. People like her never bring that up.
Batya Saragon is one of the most insightful intellectuals today.
Batya may not believe this, but she seems to be ending up with pretty much a Bernie Sanders viewpoint, in that there should be decent paying jobs for the working class. This is also part of the Dem viewpoint if you consider the Bernie Sanders wing.
and since 2020 Biden has implemented some of Sander's significant policies.
I think she knows that:)
@@MattLewis okay, I didn't realize she was down with Bernie
Have elites really betrayed the working class or has technology advanced faster than the working class can catch up? I think blaming "elites" for the relentless march of time itself is overly simplistic
yes .. let's remember that the luddites were not anti-technology .. they were upset that their way of life was being undermined by looms making cheap goods .. and that the gov't favored capital over labor forcing them into factories for pitiful wages ..
I do feel like time has accelerated really quickly and I everyone’s worldview is rooted in a different decade of the past. Is anyone living in the here and now?
Of course elites have betrayed the working class! It wasn’t “technology” that indebted our country and destroyed the value of our currency, it wasn’t technological advancement that allowed corporate elites to use slave labor in foreign nations and destroy manufacturing for us
Well, if you buy products made in China, you can't point it to "technology" and claim you had nothing to do with it.
Hitler was once the most popular political leader in Germany too! This woman is unbelievable.
You guys need to stop comparing Trump to Hitler if you really want a rational debate
@@akashpandya6718
I did not compare Trump to Hitler. You either did not hear her argument carefully or read my argument carefully. I was arguing against her key point: the essence of Democracy is reflecting People's Will, the so-called populism! Our founding father debated this important point extensively and they came up with the Republic form of government specifically to address this fatal problem of Democracy: the Populism!
If you do not know what I am talking about here then please go back and really study how they wrote the US Constitution!
@@akashpandya6718 I agree. Trump is not Hitler. The only person in the modern world who can be compared to Hitler is Putin. In fact Putin is potentially worse than Hitler because he has nukes and is ready to use them.
Yeah, and if you continue to ignore the working people, one day you will have Hitler.
Trump appeals to people that believe his lies. He himself is a member of the elite that wants to protect his friends. Saying "oh well, the GOP was never known for being a working class party" from the beginning before launching a hypothesis about how the elites have failed through specifically leftist policies is incredibly disingenuous.
The GOP was not known as the working class party in particular because they failed them from the gate, refusing them the same government aid they expect for themselves and offering a suggestion of finding charity instead.
Trump ability rally in places like Waco Texas rightly or wrongly put him darling of those people, I can' t imagine anyone else doing that from either party and that is the major attraction, he does'nt act as elite and visit places, people like him wouldn't visit
@@akashpandya6718 his willingness to lie and pander doesn't make him one of them. If he wants your property you may as well be trash and he's made it clear in documentary. This is an old trick.
Yep, Trump is the mold on surface but the GOP has been rotten to the core for decades.
@@akashpandya6718wtf??
You think you know Trump voters better than they know themselves. That's very elitist. Usually elitists are the dumbest people around.
I was so hoping to hear reality about the working class, a reasonable person. Instead, a blame game attacking. I’m willing to listen to both sides. Instead, you heard the craziness. I don’t believe a word out of her mouth. Looked her up, Fox News. Too bad, I was hoping real facts.
The blame is deserved, and just because you don't like it, doesn't make it not true.
Of course, I listen to both sides. But, I wanted to see her checked. There was an awful lot of not checking. I don’t have to be one sided. Both sides, a lot of it sounded like she was a person who made up facts. I can’t remember exactly.
This just popped up on feed. Never listened to Matt before. I really enjoyed Batya. First off, she’s just really likable and easily someone one could converse with from different perspectives. Even if I disagreed on some points, I think she is absolutely on to something regarding working class dignity.
Ignore the hate. This was a good interview!
Thanks for watching/listening!
We are so blessed to have people like Amy, the CNA, and the thought that she will never be able to afford a home is so dismaying.
Great interview
How is the Republican Party the party of the working class?
What have they done to suggest that they will be the party of the working class for a while? Nothing
What you are seeing is people poking around and trying to work within the system to deal with wealth inequality but when this fails because the GOP has no policies for the working class,both parties could be torpedo than.
The republican party is firmly split right now, between the Bush-era neocon warmongers, and the America-first pseudo-isolationists. Guys like Vivek, Byron Donalds, and Elise Stefanik are the future of America-first, which puts all Americans, including the working class, ahead of other countries.
But you're right... at the present time, both parties serve, and profit from, the elite class.
Ñafta was implemented by Democrats. Republicans at least don't seek to harm the working class. It's not so much what Republicans are for as much as what Democrats are against.
Well, the Republicans aren't doing everything they can to show absolute contempt towards working-class Americans. At least Trump isn't metaphorically spitting in their faces, which the Democrats and their media stooges are doing all the time.
At least she agreed the globalization benefited US GREATLY. So this is a re-distribution issue! Comparing to EU, US is doing much better because of the globalization and open immigration, both of which is Freedom/free competition at the Heart!
The conclusions of this guest are highly questionable - at best. Her presentation is full of sweeping characterizations (that Biden admitted hordes of "cartel slaves") that border on offensive. She blithely skips right over two Republican administrations, Bush I and II, simplistically laying all the woes of the working class at Democrats' feet. It feels like a Fox News commentary, to be honest.
And, she touches not at all on the elephant in the Trump room - race. Trump's every appeal to his version of "solidarity" is almost always implicitly or explicitly an appeal to the basest white racist tropes, of violent, dirty, diseased, sexually predatory black and brown people.
So good on you for hosting a variety of viewpoints. I'll leave it a that.
She lays it at the feet of the Democrats because they used to be the party of the working-class. The Republicans pre-Trump have always had the reputation of being a party of the wealthy.
The racism narrative about Trump was permanently shattered already in 2016 when he got 30% of both the Hispanic and the Asian votes, and 8% of the black vote.
That's when I knew that the racism narrative was made-up by Democrat stooges in the media.
In fact, it's the Democrats who are the racists. They make every issue into an issue of race and they elected a racist white president who told black voters that they "ain't black" if they don't vote for him, among many examples.
Her ignorant is just amazing. Without NAFAT, more US jobs, mostly the car industry, would move to Asia. She still do not get there is a Scientific Reason, not going to change by human actions, that Advanced countries all had de-industrialization, even Germany and Japan. Because their labor became too expensive = their labor's life got much much better than other countries.
With is this lady talking about
It would be hard for me to not challenge these Trump people with their views. "Why are we supporting Ukraine?" Ummm, does that really need to be explained. Then, black men supporting Trump? Did they forget the four years under Trump?
Her repeated insinuation that all black men are suddenly supporting Trump is based on nothing other than her wanting that to be so. Polls have showed black males without college education supporting Trump in slightly larger numbers than in the past (a trend that matches men without a college education of other races) but there have been no polls showing the majority of black men supporting Trump.
What have dems done for blacks who have voted dem for decades. Blue cities have only gotten worse each passing decade after a dem has ran said place for decades etc
And your challenges fell on their faces.
Can you really not understand why people struggling to make ends meet disagrees with sending hundreds of billions of taxpayer money to a country almost on the other side of the world?
And what happened to black men during the Trump presidency that (in your view) should turn them away? Low unemployment? The First Step Act (partially reversing Joe Biden's infamous crime bills)? HBCU funding? What is it that you think they should remember?
Batya's statements sound exactly like Britain's genius (Dominic Cumnings) behind Brexit, who interviewed Brexiteers in pubs across the pond in Jolly Ole England.
Brexit is genius.
Trump is the most popular politician in the country, according to Batya, even though he has lost the popular election twice. Tens of thousands of people have turned out in Republican primaries this year just to register a vote against Trump. But even if he was the most popular, that would not be a reason to dismiss concerns about democracy as ‘overblown’.
Those were dems that voted in open primary's that cast a ballot against Trump not Republicans btw
I don't that you are getting the arguement, what she means that if Trump leaves republican party, half of the party leaves with him but not the case with anyother politician, also there are people voting for him don't care about republican party but him
Quite a few of the people voting against Trump in the (open) primaries were Democrats. I saw a few interviews with such people, who voted for Nikki Haley in the GOP primary but openly admitted that they would vote for Biden in the general election.
That's not a real Nikki Haley voter, just a Trump-deranged Democrat.
A real Haley voter would obviously vote for her in the general if she managed to win the primary.
I dont buy it. If you look at American and European manufacturing, its been in decline since the end of WW2. Things like NAFTA and people like Thatcher and Reagan are a reaponse to the fact the Keynsian pact was a failure. Sure you had a few low skill manufacturing sectors doing better. But the rest of the economy was tanking. We simply could not afford to prop up all these industries that produced inferior products at inflated prices. Not with automation and the coming competition from Asia. Every developed country in the world realized this at the time and attempted the same reforms. Yeah, there were trade offs. But hindsight is 20-20 and we will never know the counter factual. Besides, its not like the EU is doing any better. Either economically or with its far-Right insurgency. In fact theyre doing even worse. Their working class is even more pissed than ours and they have all the protectionist policies and social welfare programs the Left keep telling me will solve everything. The malaise is social, not economic.
Good points that I thought of while preparing for this podcast and should have made.
Wrong, Government Decided not to Invest in It's populace, and Refinance/Re Tool It's industries. , While Asian Countries Did.
Cuz In The West , In America, for instance Any Company , That Focused on bettering itself, rather then profit , Wall Street would immiedely advise investors to dump their stock, and the credit agencies would right away downgrade their credit ratings You would see as tens of billions of dollars a market capitalization vaporize overnight.
China, and many Countries Such as India, practice protectionist policies,
The EU has been ravaged by Austerity, Such As The UK.
It wasn't Hindsight, It was Class-war
in the 1970s-1990s , Capitalists increased unemployment and homelessness to discipline wages to ensure satisfactory profitability and maintain a useful social domination of the working class.
Extreme, fixed poverty isn’t an unfortunate byproduct of meritorious competition punishing the lazy but is, in fact, an essential and eternal feature of capitalism , at least back then, explicitly designed to discipline bottom rung labor and suppress wages.
I find it ironic that all these years later and we’re basically saying the same things that jimmy carter said in his malaise speech
Listened to this last night at work. I work at Walmart, so I figure I'm one of the people she was speaking for.....
That said, how in the ever loving F can you then say Trumpty Dumpty is the best answer???? You used the old "Born on third base and think they hit a triple" and it works. She probably has some solid points. But when you're backing a guy that was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a Home Run, then your assessment comes into question.
Trumpty has no policy. He lies. He commits a wide range of crimes. He has a golden toilet. He cheats at everything from golf to elections. He is dumb as a box of rocks. Okay, I'll stop. I've made my point.
When it comes to Trumpty and the economy, I always ask, "What did HE do to make it?" Gas prices were low in 2015 and 2016. So he didn't improve a thing. He just cruised for 3 years. Then disaster struck, and he bungled till he got voted out. I felt 2nd hand embarrassment the whole time Trumpty Dumpty represented us too......
Anyway, great interview Matt. I don't agree with her, but it was a solid chat.
@@rjthomas7091Preach!!!! Ross Perot spoke the same thing for years. Both against Bush and Clinton.
😂My wife took the account down to 14 cents last week.
So polemical, yet she nailed it. As a working-class tradesman, i can speak from the reality that's affecting people like me. The one's that build things, repair things, and work with our hands, and our heads. When people complain about Trump, i can understand, to a point.
However, i also hear alot of people who's opinions are not of understanding, but of narcissistic seeking of validation, from their anointed group. The one's who mostly work from home, don't really care much about higher fuel costs or the fact that 10 million + immigrants, will pull working wages down, and drive up the cost of renting, or buying a home. Even for the higher income people, who are under the false impression that they are somehow insulated from the effects of the things,that are becoming debilitating for people like me.
I hate that it has come to the point, where the two major parties, don't bother to even placate people like me. I used to feel that i had a shot at prosperity. That's feeling much less likely now. I am a fed up with inflation, gas prices, food prices and the growing list of road blocks, that keeps piling up, thanks to a government that doesn't give two s****, about anyone who used to matter.
I will listen to politicians, but if they are intrenched, and beholden to massive corporate funding for their campaigns, then i am certain that they will owe so much to their masters, that I, and the millions of people like me, will continue to be forgotten, or even challenged further.
Trump is the only politician, who at least, is speaking to people like me, and actually isn't just pandering. If you haven't walked a mile in working-class shoes, then you will never understand what I, or this brilliant woman has to say. What she is saying affects the Trump haters too. I'm not giving up, but I'm loosing patience with politicians, who have seem to forgotten whom they swore an oath, to represent. And defend.
I have never heard so much rubbish coming from this woman.
From preface to All Minus One: John Stuart Mill’s Ideas on Free Speech:
※ First, the other person’s idea, however controversial it seems today, might turn out to be right. ("The opinion may possibly be true." -J.S. Mill)
※ Second, even if our opinion is largely correct, we hold it more rationally and securely as a result of being challenged. ("He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -J.S. Mill)
※ Third, and in [John Stuart] Mill’s view most likely, opposing views may each contain a portion of the truth, which need to be combined. ("Conflicting doctrines share the truth between them." -J.S. Mill)
In a Democracy, the person with THE MOST VOTES should win. That is not Donald Trump
Neither was it the president who did the most damage to the US - Bush the illegitimate
The amount of throwback and criticism from the people on this comment page. Just shows the antisemitism and short-sightedness of those who dislike Trump. Here is Batya,spitting out facts. Yet,complaints abound of "what about democracy". She is explaining the class issue and everyone here complains "oh she is just maga mouthpiece". Bunch of anglos who snub their noses at the everyday worker thinking they are better than every one of them. Hell of a group of followers you got here,Matt. Anti-semitic and elitist.
and lacking in any historical context ...
Disagreeing with or criticizing Batya (or any Jewish person) does not make them antisemitic.
This guy has 4.85k followers. He’s clearly got a megaphone here. 😂 Batya is an extremely well read and intellectually honest person. Nobody in these comments has any self awareness. Just look at the most popular responses! I live amongst these people. Lot of them are vapid, materialistic, selfish and arrogant. It oozes out of these responses. They have no clue what kind of popular uprising is coming this cycle.
I’ve noticed that some viewers are not happy with todays guest. Obviously, I don’t agree with all of Batya’s thoughts. However, I am committed to providing a diversity of opinion on this channel.
A 15 million slave caste .... dangerous rhetoric that will be used by the Maga movement to undermine America. Hugely irresponsible, Matt.
Batya is brilliant, and really enjoyed hearing her give her responses to your own perspectives, especially on Trump.
I am disappointed that you didn’t push back on her ludicrous claim that she couldn’t find a single black man planning to vote for Biden and her equally absurd claim that her non-credible supposed inability to find a single black male Biden voter is backed up by polls. This should have been called out for its obvious falseness. This was not a ‘differing opinion’ but rather at worst a lie or at best a delusion completely out of touch with reality.
I appreciate you bringing different voices and not scared of pushback you faced in this video
@@akashpandya6718 Thank you!
OK. I want what she's smoking if she thinks Trump is pro-labor at least in deed not just in his rally speaches.
Yeah there’s a big disconnect in what she is spewing. I thought it was interesting and then she started bashing Democrats… I forgot that only Republicans are “working people”…. I have voted both parties and l need to know why if l vote for Democrats am l not a “working person”, middle class… ridiculous l won’t even speak on race.
The idea that Robert Kennedy Jr. was born on 3rd base and doesn’t understand ‘regular’ people - but not Trump - was laughable. I don’t know how Matt managed to keep a straight face while she was saying this.
I feel like neither Party is recognizes these issues. I really feel like the problem is that big capital. Both parties are too beholden to the rich and the system fixed to make them richer and neither party helps pass laws that fail to circumvent it. My only prayer is that we don't elect a criminal that is why I'll have to vote against Trump. Trump made NAFTA worse. Also Trump taking away woman's right to choose is a real looser for Trump.
Dementia joe is the real criminal. How many ppl has joe hired n paid? He's been in government for decades and getting his paycheck from taxpayers.
I expected better from this channel.
Why can't you hear a fair arguement on Trump, he isn't Hitler and it doesn't matter if you vote for Biden
Correct, the host gave no push back. This was just a 38 minute rant blaming Democrats for everything negative about the working class.
I love you Batya!
There is going to be a huge cut in white collar jobs over the next few years due to AI. This will create a large contingent of downwardly mobile middle class people with less wealth and less opportunities than their parents enjoyed. And they will be competing for low-skill jobs with all the immigrants we are letting in, and the immigrants themselves will not have the hope of getting into the "American Dream" college-educated, white collar job class (because it will have shrunk so drastically). Re-industrialization, if it happens, won't really help because factories don't employ that many people--there's no GM factories employing entire cities on the assembly line anymore. AI/automation, outsourcing, and mass immigration will create a large and mostly hopeless population that the government will need to infuse with money somehow simply to fuel the consumer economy it created. The only thing sustaining the system is reduced costs for goods and services--so you can afford a nice TV in the crowded apartment you share. The future isn't looking so bright so it shouldn't surprise anyone that populism is on the rise.
What is Trump’s plan to change and makes difference in these people lives?
reduce taxes on billionaires so when these people make their fortunes they won't be taxed so heavily. I'm basing this on Trumps 4yrs as president.
Keep their white supremacy fever dream going.
@@kennj321Yep. Similar to believing they'll win the lottery or power ball.
Actually listen to Trump’s speeches instead of blindly hating him and he will tell you.
@@MrColinlandells you mean the trade war he wants to start with china and mexico and deport all the illegals? watch for inflation rates to hit 100%
Wow, these comments basically prove her point 😂 there is absolutely no self reflection 😂 Wow!
Without a course correction, the neo-con war machine can suck eggs
07:10 Why should it matter, or why mention the sexuality of anyone?
29:52 so how do you explain the 💩tin war in Ukraine?
Does Free trade exist?
NAFTA? / EU / WTO have rules that you must comply with, IF you want to trade.
I guess true free trade would see, the race to the bottom and robber baron type of employee exploitation.
Yes Trump should pick Tulsi as VP. He would get independents and ppl in the middle i think. She would help fight the system and stop the mic
Hahahaha... Just wonderful. Two people on the Kremlin's payroll at once at the top of our government! Why not appoint Putin himself as our Defense Secretary then?
A college education is not an american dream what people really want is financial freedom,working hard for a employer is never going to give you financial freedom only entrepreneurship
will give you that especially if wealth is created but personally having free time and lifestyle is to me ideal,I have to ask this question if a person was making a minimum one million dollars a month would they stay at their job and if you like your job kept working it but for many people they hate their job or not making enough and by the way their is another advantage about people who own have better tax advantages than a worker having a financial education is very powerful and this is not an education based on paper degrees it is based on real learning not theory one last thing is that the game of money is rigged against the working class because money itself is not real it is Fiat so to speak since we were taken off the gold standard money became debt so it is you have to work harder to work for less and less.
this kid will leart
Lady. Trump has no policy. He gets up, watches the news, decides what is going to be his obsession today, says lots of things specifically to upset people on social media, has a few useless meetings with advisors. His white house constantly had to run around trying to put on paper something like an agenda or an ideology and there just isnt one. I can put aside his personality - but I cant put aside that his world never gets much larger than his office and his golf courses.
This woman is whacko if she thinks that GOP cares about the working class.
Isn't she more talking about what she found during direct interviews?
She does not say that.
She's a propagandist, anti Ukraine too and basically wants us to abandon them to Russian thugs.
She said Trump cared about working people, and it's true.
Only the GOP (parts of it at least) cares bigly about keeping government expansion & overreach off of ALL Americans wherever possible. Including the working class. Dems love making big government even bigger ad infinitum. And that absolutely crushes the working class.
Sure, Matt. You believe in "character." Endless war and defecating on the poor is the epitome of character, said nobody ever. She's right about NAFTA, btw.
I don’t care if this dude does or not like Donald Trump.
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Batya doesn't seem to understand what democracy is.
No,you just don't like an educated woman with facts and research when it doesn't push your narrative.
@Horatio.Mantooth She is not educated, she is just opinionated.
@@user-oc6dh2yp2wBecause if she had been educated, she'd think exactly like you. 🤡
Beautiful Jewish woman
Blechhhh.
Your guest is spouting lies.This episodes stinks.
Would love you to point out the lies, I am not even eligible to vote in US election but Trump is maybe only politician in the world I can believe him
@@akashpandya6718 you're joking right? If not, that's incredibly sad.
@@bobstine3785 Or, maybe you need to get out of your ivory tower.
@@init100 Trump cannot keep is own stories straight, and he tells lots of obvious lies. If you believe his crap, you are a witless dupe.
From preface to All Minus One: John Stuart Mill’s Ideas on Free Speech:
※ First, the other person’s idea, however controversial it seems today, might turn out to be right. ("The opinion may possibly be true." -J.S. Mill)
※ Second, even if our opinion is largely correct, we hold it more rationally and securely as a result of being challenged. ("He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -J.S. Mill)
※ Third, and in [John Stuart] Mill’s view most likely, opposing views may each contain a portion of the truth, which need to be combined. ("Conflicting doctrines share the truth between them." -J.S. Mill)
Bias much there host.
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