I Got A Nikon KeyMission 360 Camera - And it Sucks
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- I've been mucking around with 360 video for a while and hoped that the new Nikon KeyMission 360 would be a big step up from the Ricoh Theta S, but sadly I'm disappointed with the product, between the bad quality stitching and the almost non-functional software I'm seriously thinking of sending it back.
Disclosure: I bought these cameras with my own money, none of the hardware was supplied for free, so I can be completely honest about this stuff.
When will these camera companies learn that we want a camera that we can just push a button and start recording. The less steps we need to get a shot, the more shots we'll get. If a camera is too much of a hassle to operate, we just won't use it, which completely defeats the purpose.
+LazerLord10 but you can't do that with a 360 camera, the operator wants to operate it at a distance.
Scott Manley
Self-timer? Also, wouldn't it be easier just to trim the beginning of the video a little bit rather than fiddle with your phone? I mean, the best option would be to include both methods of recording, of course.
+Scott Manley: Remote trigger?
Add a 10 second delay after pressing the button and I'd have plenty of time to plant the monopod into the dirt and hide behind a tree. ;)
Last time I was this early, No Mans Sky had multiplayer.
#Ohp
This will not work
Sike lmao
Seems like they need a 3+ lens system so there is plenty of overlap to do good stitching on.
Wagacca
They said 3+.
qqq1701 then there's even more stitching when you look up or down. We need 4 lenses in a pyramid!
Why is 3 useless? Any more than 2 is going to mean less extreme angles and less distortion on the edges. This should make stitching easier.
qqq1701 They have those. Go Pro sells one. It's $5000. This is the state of modern consumer 360 cameras.
"...only works on samsung devices, including the one that catches fire..." this got me.
I wish I was able to watch your video before I bought mine. I have the Ricoh as well, and I find myself going back to it. The software workaround i found that works for the Keymission 360 is to connect to camera settings first before accessing remote camera, I found that it connects (after 5-8 seconds) the remote photography without issue, and i also adjusted the wifi settings and removed the password to connect to wifi signal of the camera. I already bought this cam and I don't have a choice, so if you're looking for a replacement for your Ricoh Theta S this isn't it 😤. Thanks for the review Scott!
Scott. I operate a popular paintball channel here on YT and was about to pull the trigger on this unit. Your review and others across the board stopped me dead in my tracks. I'd be side mounting this unit so one side of stitching would be moot point. BUT, if I don't bother with phone connection and review and edit all my videos back at post production would you say this is safer selection? Consider that I would most likely either shoot these as showcase commentary videos or supplement perspective shots with this. Hopefully you are like myself and reply to comments. Peace
I would highly recommend the Samsung gear 360. 30MP 360 photos, near 4K 360 video, and very good stitching. Got myself one for Christmas and couldn't be happier. You do need a newer Samsung phone but there are hacked versions of the app out there that work on most any phone. The camera can be run without the app though.
The Amazon reviews of the Nikon are scathing.
Very, 74% 1 star reviews, 2 stars overall :o
Nikon do not do software very well.
I have the 360 and it has specific uses and the video quality is much better than my other two action cams.
It makes me happy that you mix it up and do a random unboxing video!
I got this camera 2 weeks ago, it works just fine, I have few hints for u, it turns off after 30 sec, so make sure it is turned on, and put ur phone on airplane mode then turn the Bluetooth and the wifi on, if u tried to pair it before make sure you go to the Bluetooth sitting in your phone and forget the pairing because otherwise it will fail, and for new pairing process u hold the record button on the camera for 7 sec until the two light start flashing alternately then you open the app quickly, if you successfully paired go to camera settings on the app and change the auto turn off time to 5 min, hopefully that will helped
The resolution is so much better on the Nikon that the stitching artifacts don't seem like that much of an issue, IMO. Though I guess if you're really focused on the immersion for 3D video, it could be a problem.
The default isn't the full resolution so perhaps Scott did a whoobs.
No, I think he just places a LOT of importance on the stitching artifact at the 180° line.
Interesting, yeah I can see in certain applications how that could be really important. I think also my total lack of frustration with the software has made this be a LOT less painful for me than a lot of other people. Mine literally worked first time every time.
No I definitly switched to the highest resolution video (which is only 24fps)
I could live with the stitching if the software worked, especially if you could output the raw video to stitch in external software, but the software is so terrible for me.
I'm having the same WiFi problem in the app for my Samsung Android phone. Frustrating! I've contacted Nikon for support, but so far no response. I'm glad you're having the same problem; I don't feel so alone.
Thanks so much for covering KeyMission. Was contemplating to buy it but I won't thanks to you :)
Quick fix: Don't use it with an Iphone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The problem with stitching existed on every 360 that I came across so that is not the biggest problem IMO. And since it is a 4K shockproof water resistant 360 action camera I don't think people looking for these have many opinion.
+4IN14094 as I mentioned in the video, the android device also failed.
You know he works for Apple. I can't blame him for not bothering to rush out and buy a Samsung Galexy just to get a blood camera to work.
Quick fix: Don't use it ?
The efficient hairstyle is suspiciously lacking in this video!
Maybe he's going as Captain Picard for Halloween.
FakeUserNameHere
We're pretty impressed with the Nikon KeyMission 360 - the recent software updates have definitely helped!
Agree with the stitching and quality. I honestly expected better and was looking forward to it too. The replacement unit wasn't any better.
Sad to hear about the issues with this unit. Do you think issues can be solved with software upgrades? Thanks for good video review. Also.. House needs some paint. :-)
[09:08] I looked and looked, but could not detect where the "stitching" was on the Ricoh Theta still photo. Nor did I notice it on the Theta video either.
I agree fully, here is my post to Nikon back in November and I am still waiting for a reply, November 4, 2016
The camera itself is very nicely made. Every physical part of the camera seems like they tried hard to make it functional and easy to use. The door for the battery and the SD card is fantastic, with a dual lock to make it harder to open by mistake. The lenses are easy to swap out from the standard to the underwater ones.
Unfortunately the software available for the camera is not nearly as polished. Pairing the camera with an Android 7.1 Google Pixel took 3 tries and the load time between moving from camera to pictures, or to the settings in the camera is painfully slow. After uninstalling and reinstalling the app, and re-pairing the camera to the phone I gave up on the app and purchased the ML-L6 Nikon remote.
This was the beginning of another painful trial. The instructions listed in the ML-L6 very nicely refer you to the camera instructions. Nikon kindly sends you the abridged version of the instructions (you need page 60 in a 49 page book).
Luck has it that I still have my Samsung S7. It’s running 6.1 and has NFC which was much faster to pair with the camera than the Wi-Fi direct. The app still has issues connecting to the camera, but it makes changing settings easier. I will just use the remote until Nikon updates their SnapBridge software or does a firmware update for the camera (or both).
I agree on software, I have the Wireless tether device for my DSLR - where you connect to your phone and use your phone as a trigger, it can be iffy on staying connected.
Just saw this at best buy today & wanted to check out a non bias review & your review helped me decide really fast
For someone who doesn't usually do camera reviews you did a really good job. Anyway, best of luck for finding that gem of a camera you want.
I use a Samsung Tablet Pro 8... Run the Software, Click Remote Photography and THEN turn on the camera (hold top button for 2 seconds), wait a moment and it pairs nicely full functionality. The convenience of fast processing in-camera and easy downloading to a computer is a snap just jpgs and mp4 standard formats. I think angle position is important to avoid trying to capture where the seam is but that is to be expected in any case with a two lens system. It has yet to be particularly a problem in my shoots. I am still loving the camera after a few months of using an Oculus Rift for viewing. Good sound recording too.
I was just like you. I pre-ordered it as soon as they announced it. Tried to use it for a week. Felt truly heart broken, returned it.
Back to researching the next best 360 device that I can afford
I was a tad worried when I saw the title, but I realize that most of my the issues mentioned I have gotten past. Bluetooth works ok for me, had a bit of trouble with the WiFi at first, but once I turned off smart network switching it's been fine ever since. I'm not able to check the videos yet, and I'm sure they aren't exactly IMAX quality but I'm sure it'll be fine.
Hey! Just got mine. It is awesome!! Works great with the app too. Cannot find any issues you are experiencing?? Check firmware and app version. Video quality is so great. And VR lens is also unique in a true 360 degree action cam! Can recommend it to everyone! cheers!
Hi Scott, I currently own a Ricoh Theta S and love the still shots, very impressive but im now looking for a 2nd device for video. Any suggestions? Ideally looking for 4K video and something that self stiches (so not 6x GoPros etc).
Great review scott thanks. Was thinking about buying one of these. I also have the Ricoh and would love them to come up with a 4K that records for longer as I film weddings and want to offer a 360 option. What's the max recording time on the Nikon ? Not that I'm gonna buy one with that crap lacing. Regards , Simon
I too had big hopes for the Nikon after trying and returning another camera.
Questions:
1) Can you record without using a phone? (ie button on the camera)
2) Can you import the video into a PC with ease and then just use your own edit suite and inject and upload, thus negating the need for Nikons own software?
3) If yes to the above, does it save movie files in equirectangular (16:9) or in spherical (1:1)?
Thanks in advance.
Nikon has a history of shipping REALLY bad software that is nearly unusable. And like you said, the Hardware is almost always phenomenal. The D7100, for instance, was the only prosumer camera that would output uncompressed video through hdmi.
You are correct ! I returned mine the next day as the battery didn't last more than 15 minutes. I called customer service and they DID say that was an issue they need to work on. Still looking for a replacement and what would you recommend? Theta S is kinda old now. I hear good review about Insta 360 Nano.
agreed Scott, unbox porn is silly... but my god you do through and concise product reviews :)
I am also looking at sending mine back as the big problem for me right now in addition to all the problems mentioned is that it is not very difficult to view and share the images after the shots are taken. Basically you need to have the camera on and paired to view them. Google recognizes the images as 360 but they don't open and forget trying to email an image. It has been very disappointing on the software side of things and I have not heard anything about any updates coming anytime soon from Nikon.
thanks. What sold me on the Theta S was the no need for post. I've also just discovered its fine for 360 video on my AuraVisor all in one headset. I pre ordered the Nikon and will cancel that now. I want the resolution but given Theta S now has Theta SD next to it on Ricoh site - is Theta 4K / HQ due out soon?
Scott.. what do you recommend now for a good 360 camera? The best resolution for photos and video? It seems every camera has some major issues. I don't care much about the stitching quality.
Scott, Thanks for the review. We also have a Theta S that we LOVE except for the INSANELY bad 240 video resolution. And a COMMON piece of idiocy with both camera is a STILL button that doesn’t have a delay. That make it NEVER useful, they both should have a DELAY setting for stills from the hardware button. We only have the KeyMission for 3 days and have also been unable to get app to work. Not so horrible in that with Ricoh we mostly do video and just press record button. But for stills we need app… or a standard delay. Anyhow, the main problem i have with the KeyMission 360 is ergonomic . I LOVE stuffing my pockets with camera and ALWAYS have the Theta in my pocket. That will never happen with KeyMission 360. Also, is it my imagination that the KeyMission is MUCH worse at hand held? I think the Ricoh does some accelerometer stuff to help motion in video. What are your thoughts on that? Also, are your 360 videos playable in Chrome on Mac? They only play flattened version. I edited in Final Cut X and then used Spatial Media Metadata Injector to reinfect media data. It plays 360 in FIREFOX on the Mac and on IOS UA-cam app, but NOT in Chrome on the Mac. Have you had that problem? BTW, you can see our first test vlog of KeyMission 360 while we talk about 360 biscuits and 360 degree sex videos. Here is the link:
ua-cam.com/video/ezc8p7xYEnc/v-deo.html
- Eric ZORK Alan & Sweetie
- Professional Bed Vloggers and Slam Poets
The Theta S does have a delay option in hardware, you need to turn on the device by Holding the power and WiFi buttons at the same time and the shutter trigger will include a delay.
Yikes on the methodology. Thanks for the tip. I can't see why ALL these cameras don't have a default STILL delay and also a changeable preference in app. Does the Nikon have a delay option? Thanks again for the great review... -- Zork
This is the highest quality video footage i've ever seen from the Nikon. I have preordered it am I'm still looking forward to getting it - it will be released in Germany at the beginning of November. For som reason I have predicted, that the Software would be an issue because I always have made Bad experiences with it: Connecting my Nikon DSLR with the Phone and operating it, Connecting my Panasonic Camcorder to the phone... It's all a pain in the *ss and it doesn't work as a quick and reliable connection . If i like the video quality I would probably buy the remote control for another € 50 because I have to rely on that remote function.
The image quality of the Nikon is far superior, although it is true that there is a bit of aberration around the edges. I assume Nikon will have updated the software.
"none of the hardware was supplied for free, so I can be completely honest about this"
Lol, but we expect you'd be honest either way hahaha. Probably uncalled for to stress the obvious. :)
Thank you very much for the review! Saved me some money. Any ideas what can be a good choice now?
What happened to the title?
Is sucks too adult? You said porn in the video :P
yeah, noticed that too... maybe it was a bit too harsh, as it didn't suck completely :P
I realized I was being too nasty, it does have a good niche as a 360 action cam, so it reigns supreme there.
Great review showing the stitch lines between the two cameras.
Thanks Scott, have you done a follow through test to YT yet with any data? I just got mine today and yes the software is bullocks. However, I was clearing cards tonight, and found that the Nikon had actually recorded video and still the whole time I was pushing buttons trying to figure out hoe to get the app to view. lol! I just want to see the resolution on a 360 YT display after it's been finished. My iMAC is a bit older because I stopped editing a while ago. However now I need to figure out how to inject meta data and view in 360... yeay Apple lol!
Have you considered repainting before the wall is too weather damaged? Cheaper to paint than replace.
thanks,,,,,,,,, like you I am a Nikon fan and user for years. so thinking to buy this camera. thanks God i checked the review first........ and at least I know, that for my 360 needs, Nikon is not a option for me :)
Sounds like new software update resolved the app issues. Thx for the review!
I am using Theta S since they release it and it works great but the res is too low as you have already mentioned it in your video. I was looking to get this key mission 360, and thanks for your review, I will wait for some more....
Yeah, it's a pain in the neck trying to connect it to phone, hope nikon come up with software updates soon..
I have seen contraptions for mounting a number of GoPros in a circle for 360 imaging. Might be an option.
Thanks for the fantastic review. I really want a good 360 camera but think that 4K is a must. I really don't see any good options on the market right now unless I want to spend 5K. Perhaps next christmas there will be a better camera out.
I took a flight on a two seater racing airplane a few days ago. The software worked good for me. But it stitched my face out of the whole video. I doubt a software update will fix the stitching issues so I'll return this camera. Pretty bummed about it.
Liked the review on the Nikon. Can you do a review on the GIROPTIC 360cam Full HD 360-Degree VR Camera?
I totally disagree. I figured out how to solve the connection problems with the Nikon KM360 and this camera is excellent. Stitching in the camera is so much better than gluing bubbles. The quality is excellent.
Hey Scott! I recently got the KeyMission 360. I have footage that I would like to edit for a home movie - standard blu ray stuff. I have never edited 360 footage for anything other than a 360 video - how do you edit the footage for just a regular video? (9:10 in your video is the footage I am referencing). I typically use Adobe Premier Pro - Thanks in advance!
More importantly than these two 360 cameras, what did you use to record this video? Very impressive.
I recorded it on an iPhone 6S
Thanks for the video! I picked up the Kodak SP360 4K twin camera bundle and what I've named the "blind ring" is way larger than even that Nikon. It's just rubbish for anything that's close to the camera. And with the Kodak, you have to compile the separate files from each camera and stitch them together yourself. You can adjust each half of the sphere individually, but it takes forever and if you move foreground items into view, you double the background items. The image quality is pretty great though.
Please, when you do a camera review, make sure that the camera you use is set correctly. The auto white balance is really trowing me off. Anyway, thanks for the heads-up. I'll wait for it to be improved or go look for other options.
Got one last month and was hard to download. I am glad I took it back to Best Buy.
Can we drop the "ha ha the Note 7 catches fire" joke. It's really old at this point.
+Lucy Tycho don't talk to me about old, I'm older!
I'm a Samsung android user and even I have a chuckle at how badly the Note 7 has been. I take the mick out of Apple but I'll happily make fun of everyone for stupid design oversights.
Obviously the Note 7 should never have been mass produced for the public as it was only really intended for the Mission Impossible teams.
Hey Scott great video, very insightful. I was wondering if hypothetically I wasn't worried about pairing the camera with other devices, all I wanted to do was record video, and transfer it to my Mac, would u then recommend it? So I guess purely based on video quality for the price you pay. Thanks a lot.
That works fine, you can record video this way (be aware it's only 24FPS BTW). Obviously you can't take photographs like this because every photo would end up with your hand covering half the image
lol he changed the title from it sucks
They released an update and it works 100% of the time for me now. What about you?
Scott if you want the perfect 360 camera you should look at making a 360 camera with 6 gopro's. It is possible because gopro makes a premade one called the Omni.
I just picked up the Ricoh Theta S. Nice little machine. Feels well bit, decent options for photography, and video is "tolerable" - adaquate I guess, but still are really nice. Live streaming to UA-cam was great. I really purchased it to be a travel camera so I could get amazing panorama's while visiting China this year (and also for work...).
Hey Scott, seeing as you work as a programmer for Apple, I was wondering... do you jailbreak your device?
I have one and I can connect okay, although using the wifi is annoying. the problem I find is that the format doesn't seem to be accepted by the 360 editing software that I use to narrow the view. What software did you use to put it into this video?
"Phones, including the one that catches fire" PEW PEW shots fired lol
Is it my tv or is the white balance a bit funny on this video?
Stephen Rowley Yeah I think it fluctuated a bit
Didn't notice it until 5:20. It goes nuts lol.
Really bad auto white balance on his camera. He should choose a manual one.
alright alright Davis Auruni.......
I think you're being a little harsh. I've had no issues pairing on Android, but your right about the close range stitching in static positions. when you get the thing moving though it's less of an issue. results from it are great and the shock and water proof design is great. You can record the images and videos using the buttons on the sides of you want quick access without using SnapBridge. but even when i needed to have greater control I've never had a problem with the app, and the functions it offers are useful and plentiful. it's a little expensive but a great product.
Just reporting my experience, it wouldn't pair reliably with my Nexus 7. And the software was non functional with iOS and that's a deal breaker.
I saw in a different review (that was questionable) that the nikon stitches on the camera itself and not in post. I don't know how the theta's work, but I thought they did that too. I have the gear 360 and I like it quite a bit but thought this might be better. many reviews say otherwise though. Do you think canon will ever make a 360 camera? Also, with the Theta, can you live stream that from the PC natively (pretty sure you can but want to double check)? Can the Nikon do anything like that through the computer?
Yup, Nikon Stitches on camera. The Theta S stitches stills on the camera but video needs to be post processed.
Thank you for this, I was so close to buying one of these! I would be so appreciative of any help you could offer in terms of buying a camera!
Thank you
+Reis Buckland a 360 camera or a regular camera? The new Theta-V is the best 360 camera
I am not sure, I am wanting to start vlogging but also a DSLR would be nice just to learn how to use. Take on holidays etc. I looked at the Nikon D5600, is that any good? Thank you
I just got one and yea I'm disappointed in the stitching. I got it because of the 4K res and complete 360 twin lenses. A lot of people tried to sell me single lens that only did upto 260 but try to make you think their complete 360. Like the Fly 360. Talk about a misleading title. I've been advised to forget the software and just use this in airplane mode. Film to SD card and move that to the computer. But I would like to do live streaming. Or output directly to UA-cam. But I don't know if that's possible at the moment.
Scott Manley looks like your psychopath neighbor next door but is actually a nice man
I have the Theta and the Nikon Keymission. Agreed...the software for the Nikon is awful. I had to UA-cam how to connect to the app. Should be way simpler. Also annoyed by the Wifi need for viewing footage...and the link to jump there goes somewhere else in the settings. So annoying. The Theta is so simple and easy to use. If they made a 4k version...I'd keep using it for simplicity sake.
What ever happened to the "nice" straight-to-the-point title?
Some sort of legal precautions?
im gonna be using mine (just bought second hand) for kitesurfing. maybe fixed to my hand or my lines. im happy with the stitching issue tbh as this is new tec so hope it will improve with software updates. im not very good at video editing but would be nice to see some editing. also id like to know if its plug n play when it comes to watching via the vr headsets. and can i go live on facebook via my mobile
It occurs to me the ideal arrangement would be 4 cameras in the shape of a methane molecule.
+Up vote for the Napster shirt
I love my Nikon keymission 360 I use it everyday and have since it came out the quality is fantastic take it snowboarding and have uploaded dozens of videos and pictures that everybody loves and are crystal clear
getting it connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi is a bit tricky sometimes needed 2 firmware update to get it too view on my phone
Yay, I've had this on order for months. How do you have yours already? Edit: shame you're not enjoying it. I guess I'll find out soon if I can live with the bad software. Other reviewers are happier, though, especially with things like metering and white balance compared the the Gear 360. Hmmm.
I gather that the Android software has been out for longer and has fixed more of the bugs, so maybe you'd have more luck with that.
Scott Manley Yeah, on Android, it's my first 360 cam anyway, and going in with early adopter expectations. How do the stills compare to the Ricoh? About the same?
I saw in other youtube video that if you want to shoot without link with your phone, you must switch to the airplane mode (near the battery).
How did it work on the Android? Other reviews I have read said it is substantially better then iOS. Thanks!
Was it just me, or was the auto white balance jumping all over whenever Scott raised his hands into frame?
I ended up getting an lg 360, but it was $100 on ebay so even though the optics are not great, it was cheap enough to pick up as an experimental camera to practice with until the market matures :)
Thanks. Helped me decide. (Using the LG360)
Thanks for the very informative and useful review. I've been considering the Keymission 360, and like you, I'm a Nikon person from SLR to DSLR. I'm disappointed in the Keymission based on your review. I have a Sony Action Cam AS30V, and I have to say, the Japanese are great at hardware, but terrible at software (for cameras, and the like; they're gaming software is much better, I'd guess, but I"m not a gamer, so I can't say for sure). I hope there's a software fix for the stitching problem you pointed out. And certainly, the skectchy wifi/bluetooth connections will probably require some hardware and software updates from Nikon. But it is their first serious foray into the action camera market, so I'm hoping they'll do better the second time around. I'm willing to give them a Mulligan. Thanks again for the review!
Did you return this one and try a different one to see if you would have better luck with another one
1:58 "Including the one that catches fire" LOL xD
Real shame this camera isn't the real deal. Thanks for the great review though Scott.
What plugin/software did you use for the virtual camera movement when you are showing off the 360 videos?
Scott's garage wall is a few thousand different colours in this video. Unless he's outside a silent rave, i think his camera's white balance is screwed.
I thought, "Maybe you're just using something wrong, It's a Nikon, its gotta be great..." I returned mine within 24 hours. The app is horrible.
Great video bro, Im working through the super kinky kinks of this keymission also ... want to understand the settings to max out quality in various scenarios...
At first I had no idea what company you meant until I realised we pronounce Nikon with a soft i in Australia [nic-on]
Hi Did you keep this Camera and did it get any Better with Firmware upgrades im looking for a 360 4K cam so any feedback would be appreciated cheers Andy
yeh snapbridge 360 is irritating as hell. i just ignore snapbridge and use it without. going to keep it that way for a while and just limit my use of the thing for a while.
Scott.. are you able to upload 360 photos to Facebook and are viewable as 360 on the Android FB app? I have the Nikon and the 360 videos are interactive but not the photos. They are interactive in desktop browser in FB but not in Android app. Do you have any experience there?
Thanks Scott. Adressed alot of the same things I am coming across at the moment.
My main concern at the moment is software. I have previously used Go Pro and I am finding Apps & Utilities sorely lacking. Specifically creating and uploading to you tube. I have not been able to find any advice, or instruction. The software utility has one button "Save for You Tube" Then nothing about upload. Searched the PDF's , Nikon site and google. I have contacted Nikon (I got Nikon Asia as I am in Australia) with no response. Waiting on Nikon USA.
Can you shed any light on saving/editing and uploading?
Disclaimer: I am new to the 360 scene so treat me like a simpleton.
Thanks.
M
Maybe I'm blind today, but I didn't see any join at all on the Ricoh. The Nikon join on the hand even Stevie Wonder would have noticed.