How to stop expropriation without compensation - Mark Oppenheimer
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Mark Oppenheimer is a practicing advocate and member of the Johannesburg Bar.
In this presentation he discusses:
- Prominent myths about land reform
- The process undertaken by parliament to amend S25 of the
Constitution
- A guide to saving the Constitution and stopping EWC
Subtleties of logical analysis lost when debating with a brick.
Very true but the Africans have already began forcing the bricks out of Africa...
@Ram Pokker Skerp! Maar ek vermoed jy praat met die spreekwoordelike klei os...
Thank you. This is a great video
Yes...Now let's find a rational person in the ANC or EFF (or take your pick) who gives a flying fish, so we can share the wonderful news with them and stop EWC in it's tracks.
Ek weet jy bedoel goed, Albert. Ek was in die bosoorlog...Ek het saam met eks terrs gewerk by 905. Ek het daagliks in hulle lewelose oe gekyk...Die ligte was nie aan nie en daar was iemand anders in beheer vam die "huis". Die een wie se wee lei na die dood.
My question is: How legal was the expropriation of land in Zimbabwe according to their constitution? My guess is that it was not very "legal" at all but it never stopped them. What will stop the ANC from just going ahead regardless? My guess is that they will no matter what "laws" are put in their path. They have made promises and better keep them or they will have their own throats slit.
Sisulu has just been rapped over the knuckles for the corruption and as per usual, threw a hissi fit. She thinks the ANC are Gods in SA but in the international community they are just cheap crooks.
@@zeldalagrange3768 precisely, this has happened many times in Africa before. They think that they are untouchable and firmly believe that they have the military capacity to take on anyone who disagrees.
To reply, I should first be clear that the White Zimbabwean farmers SHOULD be compensated for land that either they or their folks of prior generations bought according to the legal environment that they found themselves in.
Regarding the legality or illegality of land taken away from the White Zimbabwean farmers, heed this: that country was ruled in violation of international law from 1965 to 1980. The UK, the former colonial "boss" of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, publicly denounced that illegal regime, but behind the scenes allowed it to perpetuate. Too much proof has come to light that the UK even secretly assisted the illegal regime of Rhodesia. Keep in mind that every western developed democracy of the Angloshere condemned the Rhodesian regime that prevailed from 1965 to 1980.
So you have a whole nation who find it hard to respect international law, simply because they were not able to invoke it during those 15 years of deprivation and war, years that have scarred them deeply. "International Law" means nothing to them, except as something that exists in the dreams of dreamers.
It's not legal in Israel either, but they get away with it.
Wonderfully presented by Mr. Mark Oppenheimer and very, very informative might I add. He somehow omits to explain just what one must do when the blood thirsty marauders arrive at your front door. Surely he has taken into account that some citizens do not have access to well stocked offshore accounts and private jets as a plan B.
Excellent video. Thank you
Ye! good one for the fairy tale archives.
Thank you for a very informative explanation of this very sticky issue.!!
Great presentation. I know understand things on this matter a lot more clearly.
Excellent presentation
The irony of it all is when the economy's reversed backward the poor are going to be the first to feel it. They won't even be able to afford to eat.
Having land gives you leverage for bank loans because it is an asset, of course this does not work if the state owns the land suddenly the land is worthless and you no longer have leverage. Very simple really, this is why property rights exist.
I thought so too, then heard Malema talking about china, and I know it is true, china is like that, state owns all the land and people have a "licence to occupy" which can be sold. Banks lend money against that. Also, here in NZ many people have leasehold land, it is owned by someone else, often a church, and is on a 99 year lease, they buy them without owning the land, get mortgages. So it can be done! watch out! Malema is not stupid! thought he is evil.
In the ex-Communist East Block land was owned by collectives, but really under the yoke of the government. There was no private enterprise or private immovable property of any kind allowed. Yet after economic failures even the ex-Soviet dictator Kruschev admitted, but without private incentive, it is not possible to achieve any kind of economic progress. After this, small businesses mostly involving grocery stores and small restaurants were allowed, although heavily taxed. The so-called socialism was actually state capitalism.
Amazing lesson on LEWC! Very, very informative and inspirational for our common struggle...
The billboards should also show the daily employment / unemployment index
Excellent! Thank you.
This is funny because during apartheid the land was owned by the state and the land was distributed by the state. Most Africans were forced to move from their areas and grouped according to the tribe they belonged to, that is why in KZN you find Zulus, Limpopo you find Pedis, Eastern Cape you find Xhosas, Western Cape you find Coloured. The truth of the matter is that we will never move forward until the land question is solved. When I ask some friends of mine who are white people about how the land was obtained some of them do say that they bought it legally but from the apartheid state, that is like I stealing something then somehow "legally" selling it to you does it now make it yours?
My sincere condolences. I have a son who is mentally handicapped, I know how hard it is to try to look out for our kids.
So if the land was taken forcefully during apartheid and I do not want to be compensated I want what's rightfully mine then what?
Brilliant speech ! If only this would reach the ears of those who really matter
Those who really matter...? No one really comes to mind...!
Mark, are you not making a mistake by taking the value of property to be at current levels? If the government starts expropriating most land what will the market value of land be? Who is going to by land that is going to be expropriated ? my guess is no one! The market value is whatever price if can command on the open market, which is virtually nothing. If, somehow, if stil has value, the currency it's self will be worth nothing. (Malema has stated that this is his intention) Factor that into your deliberations....
How does this picture look in 2001. Thank you for information
Mark, I am urgently trying to contact you, but unable to find any contact details
I think everyone is missing the point, they do not care, as long as you do not have it
Why is the land still included with business, cars, pension all other assets in act 25. I thought by now they would be separated. Is this going to happen or will the government have free run on citizens belongings, assests.
Great presentation Mark Oppenheimer ~ finally I have a firm grasp of the situation now.
Excellent talk, thanks. Personally, I'm bitterly disappointed in the DA and will be voting COPE this year.
Me too!
You can vote all you like. It does NOT mean anything. They will do what they want to do, vote or no vote.
btw, There was a time when our votes did count...1994! We just voted wrong...
Think about it this way.
You are sitting around a dinner table with 9 other people. You have to vote what's for dinner. But that's no problem, because it's a democracy...right!
But you forgot something....There are no food left in the house...and out of the 10 voters...you are the only one that is not a cannibal....
As I said...Good luck with your vote...
Then I am afraid that you may as well not vote since a vote for a no-hoper party like Cope (who are not in any way close to taking power anywhere) is in effect little different to a vote for the incumbent party!
I would rather vote freedom front plus now that they have the coloured's involved
if voting changed anything it would be outlawed....wake the phuq up
How much proper compensation was made by the British government towards South Africans after the boer wars? It seems to be far more predisposed towards India ??
8 May 2019 is election day.On this day you have a choice.You can choose to remain in the absolute anarchy that is SAOr You can choose to walk away from it into the Cape of Good hope.If you choose to remain in SA vote, DA, VF+, COPE, ACDP, or any other party,OR You if you want to divorce from SA and enjoy sanity ,peace and prsoperity in the Cape of Good Hope then vote CAPE PARTY.
This is so funny considering black people were farming just fine before your ancestors came here.
WHO IS THIS mARTIN GUY THAT HE TALKS ABOUT/ I WOLD LIKE TO look him up.
Mark, thank you. however you are missing one small factor that will demolish all the rules of our constitution. that being exactly what happened in Hermanus and Clifton over the Christmas period, its called "LAWLESSNESS" who controls that. What do I do when a group of young gentlemen arrive on my farm and start attacking my wife and I ?? do I pull out the constitution and have meaningful dialog ??
You defend yourself as best as you can. Get some decent "white" unemployed people (ex military) or coloured to stay on your farms and for payment help on the farm too. Numbers is a good thing.
I do so agree. There is nothing that one can do, and the lawlessness, will continue on and on. Hermanus is dead. Many other towns are going to die, if these thugs are allowed to continue doing what they do, without being held accountable for their criminality.
@@berylackermann8240 Ons het heelwat VETERANE. Nie MK snot nie! Ware soldate wat saam met my in die bos was!
You be ready and make sure NOT ONE of them leave that farm ever again...
Unless you plan to reason with their "good conscience" in order to win their hearts over with a bible study...
One needs to, at least, have a conscience for a chance of that to work...
@@tenlandgrabbersoneshallowg3306 the thugs that kill doesn't have a conscience when raping and burning and cooking babies alive....
Such an informative presentation. Thank you Mark.
Please if your technical team can dial up the audio when editing for uploads.
The audio is terribly weak
Government got enough money to pay the farmers. Evaluate the farms an pay the farmers the going rate.
Why pay...When you can steal the land and the money....reference Page 2 of the great book of crime...
Why should tax be used to benefit some undeserving random black person?
Good ol' Winston. If something is plain wrong, it must be fought against, tooth and nail! Quite literally. Incidentally, the time scale for implementation is directly related to the state of the boiling frog in the bucket.
We want to be part of that 1% we want that 1% to truly reflect the demographic of RSA, 85% of South Africans are black so this should be reflected in the 1%, so the issue is not so much about land its about true equality. Unfortunately some politicians have made it about land which is misleading. Apartheid took a huge toll on the black majority and we feel that its only fair that we get better chance to advance as the whites did during this time. you also mention Zimbabwe and Venezuela but you are lying outright about why those countries are in that state, they are like that because of SANCTIONS from the west, if there had been no sanctions then they would function much better. I am more of the view that we share the land. you keep the parts that you have developed and we develop the rest of it. Speak of the Meyer family who owned a stretch between Midrand and Pretoria, but ask yourself who did the land belong to before they took it? and why was it fair that our land was stolen from us by you but we cant expropriate it back? Its one thing I do not like about this because you are saying its OK that we took your land but you cant have it back. which i feel that that would be the fair thing to do, however I smart enough to know that if we did that the ZA will turn into a Zimbabwe or Venezuela so for all intents and purposes fair isn't the right thing to do. this still leaves us with tons of disenfranchised people some of whom need land for various purposes then we have to arrive at an amicable solution and as an intelligent person try solve that.
Even if government has enough money to compensate and payout all the white farmers there is one small problem! Who will produce the food the masses needs??? Thus far it seems most of those farms given away failed!
Jy's reg Kobie.
are you really worried about how the masses will be fed?
@@boipeloramotse6240 Since i am part of the masses yes i am concerned, are u not?
@@boipeloramotse6240 Even if u have money, u can not buy something that is not there
@@kobie451 i agree with you fully. All I am questioning is the intention but I agree with you.
I'm confused, isn't EFFs policy about land repossession, not property repossession?
That's also exactly what I thought. Whenever you listen to Malema, he states that very clearly
@@kharldojo7137an EFF spokewoman on CliffCentral stated that "Land" included private dwellings, any private land owned by anyone is up for grabs.
It really is little or no use trying to reason with them. they have little capacity for it at this level. it all comes down to physical dominance. That is where they are at mentally. So are you going to use your skills?
Look at the battle of Rourke's Drift. This is a metaphor for what you can do.
My heart is for you all.
Ramaphosa is NOT a good guy and the DA has dropped the ball. If they don't get their act together quickly, they won't get my vote. They are lazy and have become complacent
I don't want to leave my country. I was born in South Africa and I have known no other home. But I am leaving. As are my educated daughters. I don't consider myself wealthy and my savings are meagre at best. I'm taking my nursing skills elsewhere. Yes, I will work until I drop if I have to because that's what South Africans do. My husband's blood has already mixed with the soil of this land.
Take the assets eat all the animals strip the buildings then find a new farm to farm.
A clear and erudite presentation, thank you, now my understanding is greater
The guy with the first question is right!!! They just come to the gate and take the farm over, same as in Zimbabwe. The only problem is ZA will become a outcast, no loans/banned from the west heaps of other stuff.
Did we steel the land? Every lecture/talk seems to forget we never stole the land. If anyone has a claim surely the Bushmen,Strandlopers Grikwas's might have more justification to ask for compensation than who is making all the noise at the moment?
@Patrick Kazan prove it, i have title deed from bank which is receipt for land paid for, if you take said land that makes you the thief.
@Patrick Kazan oh please man. go back to the stone age, troll
@Patrick Kazan what evidence do you have that sais the land belonged to you, are you god
@Patrick Kazan we were more advanced, shit happens, we also brought our knowledge with us, which you are benefitting from, so go cry somewhere else.you guys must stop feeling sorry for yourselves. the world has moved on, you have to pave your own way, in a civilized manner respectfully and with dignity instead of blaming everyone else for your own inabillities.Patrick
@@donkowlik5082God's Grace is more than sufficient for us all.... when we've passed on through this life , we will only be able to speak the truth, your conviction will not help you then, this life is but a test and I pray that you ask God's forgiveness before you pass on to the next life, One Love 🙏
Unfortunately it’ll be fight or flight.
Those Europeans better take flight because they have no fight!!!🖕
@@cellone8269 Europeans can fight - we did and still do all the time ... That's why we have our way of life and many people from other parts of this world are wishing to live like us 🏡🚜
Mudflood in zim they will eventually dig out and have very little all coming to SA
now farms .... then properties
There are many terrible examples around but who want to learn from somebody"s experience. We all have equal rights now but not equal means. What's new? Only some time ago people did not have equal rights. Use at least your right to educate your children and yourself, do your jobs with efficiency and grow. Every good process take time. Don't expect to get everything in one generation. Pave the road for your children and grandchildren by good example not by violating other people rights. This is the only way to break the evil circle. Read what the 10th Commandmand sais and don't desire what your neighbour possesses.
Please somebody send this video to the ,ANC ,EFF BFF.
You're not thinking straight....
It would be like sending a VEGAN menu to CANNIBALS!
They are blind they don't care, gov takes, defend yourself see what is coming
Why would they possibly care? I'm afraid you have missed the direction the country is going.
China is owning SA so Anc must pay the Chinese their loan. We are going back to the Bush.
You guys are lucky that the Africans in South Africa are tolerant. If it was west Africa we will chase you European settlers out of our countries
Its always easy to walk in and TAKE OVER WHAT BELONGS to ANOTHER; bit, it's a HARD PILL TO SWALLOW WHEN YOU are SUBJECTED to the SAME OPPRESSIVE BEHAVIOUR. have to TREAT OTHERS the WAY YOU WANT THEM to TREAT YOU. cause, what goes around comes around. those of ZIMBABWE had to go SQUAT on their OWN LANDS. because folks didnt want to give it back. that's the SHAME of LAND EXPROPRIATIONS. without COMPENSATION. people don't always want money, which fly's with the using They'd like to leave a HERITAGE for their CHILDREN, sometimes. Same as you.
The lady hanging on for dear life trying to keep her head up @ 1:28:32 xD
Mark is on the path of F W de Klerk , reason will not work.
The Piet Retief Syndrome....(may his soul rest in peace)
Is there a chance that politicians will seize land iot sell perhaps to Chinese buyers?? 😆
Thank you Mark Oppenheimer very much..!!
Oppenheimer huh .... here's a 30 second advice : (1) Give a huge mortgage bond to the bank in the form of an Accessbond type mortgage (2) Take out all the money (3) Put it back into the accessbond to keep interest payable at zero, until : (4) when the Gov threatens to take your property, withdraw the accessbond funds.
Good luck to the Government taking on the banking sector, because that money has been moved overseas.
Tot siens Suid-Afrika.
Yes like Sophia Town!
Here was a Community that worked. For those of you that never read The Drum Magazine... OMG all of you have lost the chance to have
see how the other half lived.
There were flashy Convertible Cars, Ballroom Dancing Competitions Boxing Matches, Beauty Competitions.
Big Bands and Rock n Roll in the Church Hall.
Vibrant!! and it worked.
Father Trevor Hudelstone
was the Priest in the Catholic Church there.
Give Back Sophia Town....
You cannot pull down the Triomf Factories. But its time to use Government Land and aid to rebuild Sophia Town.
Start now.
These Landowners ALL SPEAK LIKE THEY SHOUD WITHOUT A WORRY ! ! BECAUSE THEY OWN THIS-LAND ?? AT THE SAME TIME THIS IS A SAY ? PREPARATION. BUT A REVOLUTION DOES-NOT COME WITH CONVERSATION NOR PEN 🖊 & PAPER.
wow
The funny part is that the audience of this video are those who agree with you.
SA people - ua-cam.com/channels/nthgq9LfTprYd9eTOP32-g.html
Thank you Mark , you are my hero
fuck Mark bitch ass
Thanks for keeping me humble Jack
@@zackbarrow1927 Jack Brown, I suspect, is an African America who sees himself as an expert on S African Affairs.
@@tomhanks6507 you need help
+Irene Nichas I know all my history. you know yours too, l know about the conference of 1884 in Berlin and I know what happened in 1652. The last thing white people should be calling black are murders, no people on earth can kill and steal as efficiently as white people . your entire history consist solely of killing and stealing from black people
All I see is that when Europeans came into Africa, they knew little or nothing about fRming the land. si, Africans welcomed and taught them the techniques of farming the land. once the whites learned, they forced the blacks off the land without compensation. Africans were forced to live in cities and work farming the land that was really theirs. Also, they are forced to buy the food products and pay taxes on other resources that were once in their possession. they are not being compensated for what they lost. colonization equates to the TAKEOVER of a country's resources without pay. then to add insult to injuries, those who who were thus mistreated are shunned, scorned, talked about and otherwise hated because they won't work or pay for the food coming from the farms, that are now under European ownership, who WORSHIP A JUST GOD. give back what then and YOU'LL HAVE PEACE.
LVT is the answer
In the 'Great Reset' the banks and corporations own the state who own the land. Rule by decree. "You will own nothing and you will be happy" See World Economic Forum. Qui bono?
so I have race realist views... and I dont understand why IQ and race differences are not being spoken about... this is not me saying one is better than the other but rather our differences are our strengths and the fact that south africa is pretty much on the backs of 13% of its population why not let the white race help instead of deamonizing the whites who have the no how , to pull the country out if this hole...
Lone: because asking the whites to help would be tantamount to admitting their own lack of ability to create anything.
Long may you reign over your empire of ash.
You say government want to buy the land, where is Government got the money from. That's the problem where do Government get there money from. Surely from taxpayers money, what a disgrace.
In 1992 white South Africans voted to make South Africa the same as every other post colonial African country, so you have no reason to complain about anything.
I like you Mark - you just need to start moving right of center and embrace Trumpism
"A l'exemple de Saturne, la révolution dévore ses enfants"
Mark, I want u to talk about the white genocide, where is it happening exactly? Or maybe is done spiritually because I don't see it in all the provinces of South Africa. 2nd question, when did the black nations besides Khoisan arrived in the South as many of u claims that the dutch arrived b4 them. If your answer is we were not here at the time of Jan Van Rebeek. U say he was with the Khoi alone, then what about the recorded fights between him and the Nguni if they were not here? Or he remotely killed them while they were still in the north. At least your way of talking doesn't provoke as the Boers do. Why in your minds u don't see us as people who wants to venture into farming? U found our Kings doing farming in the Cape where the wars started, the history tells us that they had livestock and crops. Now u are telling us to keep quiet
ALSO GOOGLE WHO REALLY RUN SOUTH AFRICA
@Ram Pokker yip.
@Ram Pokker Hahaa are u lying to me or to yourself??? That is all I can say for now
@Ram Pokker believe me I have a lot but let it be a surprise, u will soon witness it, don't worry it has no blood. I don't believe in physical fights, i'm one of those who want only facts to expose the opportunists
EWC in Venezuela? I don't think so. But they have had economic warfare from the US et al.
Absolutely true expropriation took place in Venezuela
@@brianclement2329 Venezuela is also a classic example of "property not limited to land"
Always blame the US for the crimes of the Marxists around the world.
the last speaker is in delusion
lol, Imagine if the 4% black population in France owned the vast majority of the farm land. The way it is now, it is either going to be an organised expropriation without compensation or eventually as history all over the world proves, the poor get fed up and do stupid things. If you gained land and wealth from Colinisation then you have no right to then turn around and complain, how do you think you gained that land and wealth in the first place? How can you expect South Africa to move forward when the foundation is built on desert sand? After WW2, the British government stepped in and created a tide that lifted all boats. Somehow after centuries of exploitation and genocide all of a sudden the right to vote is all the ancestors fought for...go to hell. There will be land expropriation and should the people go hungry for 20000 centuries after then so be it.
The bearded lady has never heard of Zimbabwe?....
at the beginning I thought that you would come up with a good plan of how you would stop expropriation but really you have not, go back to the drawing board and come up with a plan that can speak to both sides because you wont stop or pause it. i too am not a fan of land expropriation but I am let down in this presentation.
South Africa is doomed!!!
i have a tittle deed for the last 20 years and overall my family has stayed in this house for 53 years ,now GAUTENG HOUSING TRIBUNAL wants to evict me and give the house to the children whose parents passed away in 1966.
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These are the things that need to be stopped. Right now the courts should protect you
Nelson Seoma you must fight this .. surely there is someone who can help you with this ?
Ìf it was mine lion matches
Why don't you contact Afriforum?
fight back with all u got man
useless meeting... no one will own the land in 2030
It cannot be stopped. Now gently let go of the land and vamoose...
Thamane 375 Ruger gently.
The reasons the Zimbabweans ended up takin back their land by force is similar to the South African situation. The Zimbweans spent years trying to hammer some sense to their fellow white citizens and the western countries that redistribution of land is critical for the sustainability of peace and prosperity in that country. Because all those years it was the black nation which was at the receiving end, less attention was paid by the world to what the Zimbabweans were crying about. Hence, they stopped explaining themselves nor follow their own laws. The people just started grabbing the land and of course there was nothing their political leaders could do to stop them. Let's hope that just as we did leading to a negotiated settlement, our explanation will some day drive some sense in the head of our fellow white citizens and the rest of the world for the benefit of all who are affected. Employing all strategies to defend the status quo does not assist at all. Our political leaders have been restraining Blacks from taking action for a very long time. With the revelation in the Zondo Commission, it has become clear why our leaders were ignoring to address the issue of land, it's because unlike the rest of us, they were surviving through the underhand. The time will come when we will no longer listen to them. At the moment there is no land grab in Siuth Africa, but like Julius rightfully stated, no one can predict the future. Mugabe himself was the one who was defying everyone who wanted toke over land in the early 80s but because the future cannot be predicted especially in an economic environment oppressing one population group, he found himself at the forefront of championing the grabbing of land, why, because he was going to lose the flowing elections. The same situation in which the ANC find itself in the current political dynamics of South Africa. The ANC is currently compelled to talk about the expropriation of land without compensation. This is the only ticket which can retain the majority votes in South Africa because, so far, it has failed the majority the citizens in all department. The danger, though, is that the ANC will not afford to retract from its promise to expropriate land without compensation after the election because if it does, people will betrayed again and this time around, like in Zimbabwe, they will no longer want to do anything with the oppressive laws but to act against such laws.
You didnt watch the video did you? 93% of land claimants opted NOT to take land. So all this 'begging for redistribution' and then ultimately no one actually takes land when given the choice shows its all absolute nonsense.
@@M1ke22 Unlike you, we are not selective listeners. I listened to the details on the vedio. What you don't get is that we no longer want to do things your way because, it may be working for you but, it truly is not working for us. There is no amount of effort you can put which can make the majority of Black South Africans think otherwise. They heard and seen it all and they are fed up. Hence they want to decide on their own fate going forward. In the video, the presenter was telling his audience what they want to hear. For example, he says it's a few amongst the Black South Africans who are interested in amending the constitution. It is clear that he does not understand the political dynamics of this country and he obviously does not associate with his fellow black citizens because if he did, he would know what is their position on land.
Shithole again
@@vanlierdreyer5169 That's what you know. You claim to have high IQ but you fail to substantiate your facts when engaged in a robust debate. You turn debates into insults and spending more efforts on trying to stop others from expressing their views because all you know is oppression, you have no idea how democracy work.
@@musajohannessithole8970 I didn't debate you and if your IQ is low blame your parents. Look at zim now
It's about time white South Africans should wake up and smell the coffee, the time for 'Ja Makhulubas', is over. Venezuela, Zimbabwe and Soviet Russia have failed and therefore you will fail as South Africa: 'Ja Makhukubas, if you so say we will fail my bas.' What nonsense! Just because a white person says I'll fail I must begin to think that what I am intending to do or inventing is something that has already failed because a white person says so. That's nonsense. What is worse is when the Makhulubas make all efforts to stop you from doing something which he disagrees with. As if that is not enough, Makhulubas travels throughout the length and breath of the world ill-informing everyone who dares to listen spreading propaganda about a project which you are about to undertake as a nation just because it is led by a black person who is not well equipped to think independently to can undertake such a risky and massive project. We are tired of this nonsense and it must stop. We do have the capacity to stop it anyway.
@The Guru of Kang We are dismantling the economic system meant to benefit the few to the exclusion of the majority and there is nothing you can do about it. You can run through out the world, spreading propaganda, you will come back to find us continuing with what you want to try and stop us from doing. We are not even shaken by your propaganda machine. The whole world is invited to come and observe how we intend changing the current economic setup. We have nothing to hide. We will amend the constitution to allow expropriation of land without compensation and we invite the whole world to come and observe how we do it.
@The Guru of Kang You never cared about anything which is beneficiary to the majority of the South African population. You surprisingly look so hell bent at wanting to stop the restructuring of the South Africsn economy as if you care. What you think we want to do, will not work but what we intend doing shall. Those are Two different things. Hence we are adamant that whatever you do to stop us will never work.
@@musajohannessithole8970 yip they will watch and eventually sanction your asses and invest elsewhere, you will lose, like your great grandfather bob mugape, the west didnt need weapons, they just sanctioned,turned zim into a trash can, same will happen to you, and we will leave and go and live first world in peace and prosperity with our people who know how to run countries, so take your fucking land arsewipe, but when the time comes, we will be watching..... eating popcorn.
Musa, Do everything you want, but the consequences will also be your responsibility to bear. The failure of socialism was a fact, not because whites said so. The failure of Zim was also a fact, not because whites said so.If foreign investors stay away because their investments will no longer be safe, because private property is no longer safe and can be expropriated, then you will be free of "imperialists". If you were one of them, you would fell the same way. The fact that money would; become worthless would also not be an "imperialist" trick, since the value of money is based on the Gross National Production ability of a country. We have now a GNP of less than 1%, but it can go lower, if we make arbitrary changes in ownership.Musa, this is NOT political ideology, just basic economics. We are toying with the basics but wilfully ignore these facts. Not because the whites say so, for these are the economic rules that every country must obey..
We have heard those stories a million times. We still insist that we love this country and we shall be fine. @@ianshaw482