THE HINGE DILEMMA: RE-ENGINEERING THE DOOR & HOOD HINGES
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Today we're tackling the hinge dilemma with the door then we're going to jump inside the cab and start modifying the hinges for the hood 🔥
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Chad, as a Mechanical Engineer with over 40 yrs experience, I would suggest trying to install the lower hinge on the lower new part of the door, and then modify the top hinge to have it's hinge pin in perfect alignment with the lower hinge pin. Like having one steel rod being the hinge pin for both top and bottom hinges. The door will have no choice but to open and close then - and clear the lower body jam.
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@@gormanwpjr I believe this is a place for everybody that love cars, your suggestion looks nice to me.
Chad, put the hinges on the back of the door not the front. Just a thought.....
Bill is correct! Simply mount the lower hinge then lengthen the upper hinge so it comes out from the body the same distance as the lowe hinge does . Depending on how far out your extension is you will have to extend it several inches. As he suggests use a long steel rod to use to keep the two pins in line.
Chad's a T.E. engineer
There is a reason hood hinges are put out at the edges. They will be weak if you put them in the middle.
True also crack paint job to.
I'm sure you will figure out the hinges. You are an inspiration to all of us who watch you every day.
Have you thought of doing suicide doors. I think that would be awesome looking.
Put the pin back in and I think it will work
@@troycray6380 suicide is my opinion too!
Kitchen cabinet hinges
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The hinges close to the centre line of the hood would be fine, just fit a gas strut to either side of the hood to help lift the weight and stabilise the outer edges. ‘ If you know what I’m trying to say’
Myself I would widen out the hood hinge spacing. Would be much more stable with the amount of weight that is there.
I have the same concern about twisting force on the long heavy hood, but if he's using an electric opener the system will be a tripod so there's less twisting force. Wider would be more stable considering wind, but there aren't a lot of options. I think the biggest concern is warping the area where the hinges attach to the hood.
Just like with control arms, the hinge pivot points have to be in line, and on the same plane.
John, your right, if Chad would use a long hinge to the bottom and a short hinge on top and align the hinge pins with each other the door would swing out at the bottom.
This. The hinge line is the key.
@John B
I was thinking, oh no here we go again
"Shared Axis": Imagine one long pin through both hinges.
If you move the hinge line forward to just behind the hood gap, the door will swing clear and the door will move outwards away from the body, allowing the door to open further.
This could be built as one single large hinge, or two separate ones.
Like a production car, leave a large hole for the bolts to adjust door fit, and to take up any door droop due to sag or wear on the hinge pin.
That way, it will be real easy to adjust with the hood up.
To reduce the likelihood of the hood flip flopping due to the hinges being close together, you can box the two hinge arms together, which will make it more rigid.
Nice work Chad, looking forward to the next installment.
To aquire the swing distance to clear the doors protruding bottom, the hinge point needs to move further away from the original cabs A pillar. Chad may tilt the hinge pins axis so the door when open swings out further at the bottom.
He can cut a wedge in the fender and incorporate it as part of the door action, that would push in when the door opens.
@@amerritt261 your right, that's the way Detroit does it when they have a profile sticking out further than the rest of the door.
Are you familiar with a European hinge on a kitchen cabinet .Check it out i can mot explain it better
@@ernestauilera9662 yes, they have two internal arms that allow the door to swing away from the cabinet. They are a low use hinge a and may not be the best design to hold the weight of the door and someone pulling on the door to climb into the cab. Good idea if one can handle the design needs of the weight and usage. All door hardware are designed for those two elements.
I drew the contour of the door in CAD and tried a few hinge configurations and found one possible solution is to set the hinge pin angle at an angle that catches the outside curved edge of the door at the bottom and tilts inward toward the top to catch the outside edge just before the door opening curves back...about where the current upper hinge is now.
With both hinge pins set at this same angle, the door will lift slightly as it opens and will clear the body. Probably will be good to use some nitrogen gas charged cylinder springs to hold the doors open since they will tend to close heavy with the downward assistance of their weight
I really like the way you work with Aiden. The lessons you teach him will last a lifetime.
It’s fun and frustrating at the same time watching a true craftsman at work. Loving the process, keep it up!
All you had too do was too shape the opening different. Had the front lower corner of the door with a 45 degree angle on it so when the door opened it cleared the out set on the fenders
Yup.
Would it make the hood more sturdy if you trimmed off some of the outer part of the hinge? That would allow the actual hinge points to each move an inch or more outboard. Around here, the wind would try to twist the hood off if it was opened up. The further apart the hinges are the stronger the connection. I really like your thoughts on the door hinges. When you move the pivot point forward it will gap the door opening more. Also if you push the pivot point out away from the door it will also increase the gap. Even a quarter inch out will help. Good work! I like that you encourage us all to get working too!
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I have a hinge idea. Two steel posts, with a hinge on one side. Short / flat side attaches to door jam. Long side (the post) goes inside the door by about two inches…maybe even just an inch…have to not interfere with the window. When you open the door, it slides down the post just enough to clear the body and opens all the way on the hinge. When you close the door, it slides back in all the way and closes. The entire thing is invisible from outside the vehicle.
I think that hood is going to be very heavy and you’re gonna need trunk struts to help assist lifting it up.
Use Original door hinge. Mount at the bottom of the flat just before bottom of door where it flares out. You will probably need to make the bottom front of door over with it making a C shape so as to make the door swing away from fender when opening. Where as door swings into the fender now. Think replicating the same style opening at bottom front of door as the curve of the wheel opening of the fender for the tire. And again ditch the head lights and go to the 39-40 ford style so the lay down at the same angle as the hood lays back for a more stream lined look so the hood and lights aren’t fighting each other. Really Great work folks!!!!
I think having the hinges in the middle, the hood will twist and jiggle.
The things if installed further out from the center of the hood would provide the hood with greater resistance to twisting.
I agree with ya.
Good to see the pro and the apprentice work alongside so well. Jolene capturing it for future use
I'd still say DeLorean style hinges will be cool. With the door lifting straight up.
Really enjoy watching you work on projects. You have a very creative mind. Keep up the good work buddy
The more I watch this the more I get excited to see it one step closer to being the true beauty he has in mind for it.
I never miss a day watching your awesome channel. I have been tinkering restoring my own cars for years and have learned so many new simpler techniques watching you work. love your mind set an way of approaching things .
The closer together the hinges are the easier the hood can twist
You're doing a great job teaching Aiden. Keep up the great mentorship Chad!
Did you catch the nick-name? Aiden-and-abetting". Chad is a funny guy and a great arm chair philosopher.
The top hinge needs to change pin axis to point to the bottom hinge, which needs to be further outboard.
Simpler, as others suggest, would be to cut back the skirt at the front of the door so it misses the bodywork and reshape the door aperture. Comment from UK.
You've got it
This project is becoming addictive. Keep up the good work.
I am looking forward to see how you solve this hinge problem. It’s going to be a little tricky but I’m sure you’ll work it out.
Thank you for teaching me so much.
Things are only complicated if we let them.
Seems od why not youse the original hinges for the Doors.. like the one at the top mount
I agree. The originals dont look bad and can work for this application after a slight relocation of the missing one along with a slight tilt to align the pivot.
Love watching the real-time problem solving. That's the big part that's missing from car shows on TV. Really enjoying watching the series on the truck!
Doing great, be cool if u cut the head lights back to stock
There are several easy solutions to your doors. Simply grab a broom stick and place one end of it on the door slightly above the original top hinge. Then lean the other end of it down on an angle onto the bottom front edge of the door. The centreline of the broomstick is the centreline along which both hinge pins must lie. The two places that the broomstick touches the door are the two places that the hinges should be mounted.
A mixture of other simple (and some more elaborate) solutions can be seen on many LeMans cars of the late 90s and early 2000s.
I love it when he cuts the hinge on his shoe. 😆🤣
Glad you know what you're doing,thought the hinges would need to be further apart with the weight of that hood,hope you prove me wrong. Another great episode for me though
Yep... a quick slip and that blade would cut through his shoe and toes like a hot knife through butter.
Knowledge is a good thing when designing a door swing way hinge... God bless you all.
That Looks Discombobulated !!!!!!
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On the door hinge, you might want to take a few minutes and watch the July 24th post by ColdWarMotors. He re-hinged a Model T door, and the challenges aren't as complicated as yours but he does a good job of explaining the alignment problems. Also, he started with a nice-looking and very beefy brass hinge (he later hacked it up) that might work for you. I'm thinking weld it flat in the pivot location you figured out. Anyway, it's just a few minutes but I thought it might help.
You still need a step to get into the cab- that will require cutting a hole in the body to step up to the opening. However if you hinge the door at the bottom edge it will open down and become your step.
Way I see it you have several good opportunities to resolve your issue.
1. Relocate the pivot point and have protruding hinges. As you seem to be doing.
2. Trim the leading bottom edge of the door back to match the radius of the body panel.
3. Redesign your door to stop at the body line and use factory top hinge. Which if you did this would allow you to make a fold down step with the lower panel.
Which would look better with a gulwing door.
With Chad climbing in and out, now Aiden has to weld a moving target.
Just cannot wait to see this awesome build in it's finished glory!!!!
What do you think about lift up hinges like a Lamborghini, or Mercedes
He said he thought it'd be too hard to reach up to close it. Gull wings. I guess he could power them.
It's great to see how you're engineering the hinges for the doors and the hood. Very interesting watching the creative problem-solving process.
I'm loving watching this mentorship. Just watching you create amazing cars while watching Aiden soak up your knowledge is so much fun
@Bad Chad
then perhaps you can study about the after market lambo door kit's by
"Vertical Doors" or "LSD Doors" for example.
pretty expensive tho. maybe you could remanufacture something like that.
i like the progress as it's goeing.
and thanks for showing that the hood hinges wont work for you as door hinges. allthough you could heat the arm and relocate the zero point a bit maybe.
but i am not the one who's holding then in my hands to see and deside on that possability.
thumbs up! like always.
Bro you are a awesome fabricator! The stuff you build takes a great mind. Keep up the great work and I hope to see y’all back on tv soon
I love when Bad Chad monologues during the videos.
Really like watching the brainstorming of all the variations of hinges that can be used!
I've been looking at the door hinge, I think that your placement of the hinge (Pivot point) needs to be the same distance/Hight as the top hinge, not necessarily further forward, that should give you the clearance you need for the door to not touch the fender as you open it. Love the project, a ton of work that still needs to be done, all the best, keep up the great work!
Glad to see you might have the door hinges figured out. Watching your progress is cool.
Looking good Chad! Keep with the vision, I'm liking the idea of the hinge blending into the door.
I've seen a cylindrical hinge that has a cam motion that lifts the door as you open it, can't remember the application but you can make one. Not much larger diameter than the factory .
You had it right on your first layout of the door when you made the inside curve at the bottom of the door .. cut off the distance from the body to the farthest point and curve it back to the bottom flat spot.. the door swing out will have to clear the body part kinda like a step-up but with curves to match the back side of the door. I______( and weld back in what you cut off the door onto the fender then two regular hinges just like original... Great job!!.. Tom @ Frog Level Customs.
Told him that as well on his first layout he had it marked on door.
Today the door... Tomorrow the world? Lovin' watching you do your magic on this build.
Really enjoying this build. cant wait for the finished truck.
Put the hinges as far away from each other as possible to keep the hood from moving around. You guys are doing a fantastic job and Aden is catching up to you he's doing a terrific job on welding everything up and he's catching on quickly to the stuff he sees you doing. Very good helper you have there. Keep up the great work and God Bless you guys. The car had one Chad power under the hood today. Great video coming tomorrow can't wait. 💯💪🏼👍👍🙏🙏✌😊 thanks again.
Put the hinge vou just cut off on the car with the pin on the door and not the cowl. Have the top of the pin lean to the back of the car to make the door tilt up. Now when you open it the door will go back and up at the same time. If you mount the hing on a 1 inch block so the pin is further out from the car the door it will go back up and out at the same time. It should give you 90 degree opening. The further out or back will give more clearance. I'm a custom furniture, cabinet maker and have the same hinge dilemmas. I work wood , not metal like you, but the principal is the same. Except I usually have more interior space to hide a two pin hinge or whatever I have to make to swing all kinds of shapes. Look at the original hinges off those merc doors, with the bulge of the door between the two hinges the door has to go back then out not to bind. That is only a one or two inch bulge. You are dealing with 6-8 inch bulge at the bottom of your doors. The slash cut you drew once going from the flat part of the ford door and angled down to the rear 50-60 degrees would have worked with the original ford hinges. Getting your legs in the cab would have been tough though. Keep picking at it you'll get it. But please try what I said. As you say learn if it works or not ?. .
teamwork makes the dream work. great job guys.
There are two options for the door hinges. You can offset the to the right as you have already tried. However the amount of offset must exceed the amount by which the fender bulges to the lower edge of the new metal. Alternatively you can keep the hinges at the door gap, put the lower hinge at the lower edge of the new metal, and incline both hinges so that the pivot pins line up in a straight line.
It's definitely things like this that keep me awake at night trying to brainstorm a solution.
Chad the hinge will go on the inside of the door about a third the way from the front and it will pivot the whole door outwards in a radius both hinges have a rod or a bar that stiffens them together that goes from the top hinge to the bottom hinge look at how they hinge the cabinet doors and you can make when they're not very complicated the door would unlatch and swing out words in a radius starting a third of the way back from the front and that would give you a eight or nine inch radius which would definitely give you enough room to clear with the bottom of the door going out that far you won't see the hinge it will be on the inside of the truck on the inside of the door panel
It’s good to have another pair of hands on the job, well done Aidan.
Love this channel, kudos Chad and Jolene. 🙏🇬🇧
Chad you're doing a great job same goes with Aiden he's doing a great job on the side of the car I'm happy to see that you guys have gotten the hinges on the hood and I think you're going to do a great job on the door hinges to so I hope you have a great weak I want to continue to watch your videos and I think you're doing a great job on that truck
Move lower hinge very low on the door; make the hinge pin on both top and bottom hinges co-linear, when door opens forward it will also swing slightly upward and since hinge is at widest low area, there will be no interference.
The covered hinge idea sounds good, custom design 👌
Former gate builder here ! Lol. You can take 2 butterfly hinges, mounted in the same plane but stick the bottom one out away from the body the when you open the door the bottom kicks out at an angle away from Your body work Think about a gate on a inclined driveway. The gate can’t swing level it has to swing up at an angle You had the right idea when you welded the angle iron on the butterfly hinges previously but then that’s mounted out on the body vs in the door jam
I like the slanted door hinge idea. No worries about one going up and one going down. You will need another set for the other side anyway so if you can find two identical sets of those trunk hinges you can have two hinges that move together on either side.
You are on the right track with the door hinge. Move the pivot points about 2 inches forward from the original location. 1 to 2 inches away from the door skin, move the top hinge higher and the bottom hinge as low as possible before it curves outward. It should work like a charm.
Design, fabrication and problem solving all in one show. Great daily content, for all us fans.
It's sure a lot of fun in-between working and resting just seeing another episode of "bad Chad"!😀
good to see you passing on your art and teaching !! keep on rocking
Awesome, I look forward to your videos every day,thanks for sharing your build.
Great job on building that door Chad you never cease to amaze me. I have complete faith in your skills as a craftsman.
Aiden need's a hat signed of course
Chad, another great video showing your thought process when faced with a problem.
The bonus is that Aiden gets to experience this and see there are always multiple solutions which come with their own challenges.
Jolene thanks for the great camera work.
Hope you all have a great day.
Getting down to the hard stuff! Great work!
I love to see how you manipulate metal I can't wait to see what the passenger compartment looks like
That is gonna be fun to see coming down the road!😊
Just a little idea for Chad what if your make the hinge on the the upper a pillar then I would make the door swing up on an angle which would miss the fender I don't know just a thought love the Channel long long time watcher hats off to Chad and Jolene keep up the good show
Great job today guys. Always an inspiration
Chad, that creation will be a one of a kind masterpiece showcasing your creativity. Hinges will be part of that too!
Engineering fixes for things makes it interesting! Those temporary hinges you welded on looked like tail gate hinges. They weld to the bed post and the plastic sleeve fits in the bottom roll of the tailgate.
Man you need that little Milwaukee grinder going with some 2 in flap wheels on it you will love it.
Hi Chad, you must move the pivot point of the hinges to the inside of the cabin. Maybe in the middle of the door.
And create space under the fenders so that the door can swing under the fenders. Like in modern cars.
Regards
Torsten from Germany
I always learn something new when I watch the show, thanks Chad
You and Aiden are making a great team. Your such a great teacher by building his confidence
Chad you are awesome, so creative and love your visions. Jolene is absolutely the best with the camera, so steady and I know it's not easy to keep up to Chad sometimes but you make it look easy. Both of you keep up the awesome work.
The bottom corner of the door needs to curve inward so when the door is open it will clear the way the fender protrudes outward. Love the build!
The point of suggesting the suicide door mount was the much wider distance between the hinges. The door is heavy and might tend to sag in Service with the very narrow distance between hinges as it stands. I'd make that bottom hinge pin in double shear in any case.
Enjoying the show. Never miss a premier!
Can't wait to see the finish product but the journey is amazing .
Good old Hayden plodding along quietly doing his thing I forgot he was there until The camera zoomed in on him.
I think you should try a flip front end. hinge it in the front somewhere and have the whole front end flip up. It would be easy to access the engine that way also. Great job looking forward to seeing it finished.
THIS WOULD LOOK VERY NICE !!
Can't wait to see this build everyday. Its going to be awesomexwjen finished!
Most TVR models had a similar ,although the hinges are internal the body work ahead of the doors is shaped to accomodate the door when it opens. I think the built up external hinges you mentioned would work and look good.
As usual, it will be an entertaining and educational moment with the three of you
I'm looking forward to see what all gets done today. I enjoy watching your show every day
I think if you'd heat and bend/twist the "top" of the existing hinge slightly towards the front of the truck you might be rewarded with the correct angle to clear the bottom. Once that is established you can determine a similar configuration for the bottom hinge... just a thought.
Not knowing the answer to a problem is part of the Adventure of a build. Having the will and ability , The answer will come!
Going to be interesting to see Chad get the doors to work properly. I know he'll make it happen.
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