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A dream that I hope to one day see become our reality…the possibilities are endless

I can imagine that being the case for Sonic, and it’d be awesome to see him potentially have connections to that worlds’ Zeus. Maybe it could be an “Avatar-State” moment for Sonic in the final battle ?

Correct! Only reason why I didn’t is because I know a lot of people don’t care for comics or their lore in general. Ironically, I only ended using Archie since I was left with no options to get the point across in that specific segment. The idea behind it was, if possible, stick with the entertainment medium that a majority of people have experienced or know about .

I like that. While I haven’t played the games yet, I looked up some gameplay and it looks like it’d also fit Sonic. Good choice!

Can’t tell me that’s not one of the most recognizable line in the series

I appreciate you watching, and am glad you enjoyed it! Keeping in the time-traveler info is pretty important though, as the setup I put forth is “He’s trying to stop Eggman at every turn even though he’s unsure of what specific instance causes the problems”. Sure, said setup could be considered arbitrary, but it helps with the immersion factor of the video.

Amy is the underrated GOAT of the Sonic series and I honestly don’t think half of the story events would unfold the way they do without her. Going back to the trio though. Silver had to give Sonic the 1:1, but Elise kept getting in the way lmao. I do have to stand firm that silver is just behind Sonic + Shadow though just due to battle experience they have.

You kinda cooked with this, ngl. I really wanted to avoid using comics, but you’re right about how I should’ve utilized IDW over Archie seeing as it’d have more canon ground work. As far as the types coming into play, I still think Silver could’ve done it as I mentioned the keeping pace with Sonic and Infinite. Man, I wish we got more detailed metrics/explanation for why Sonic could restore time, almost escape a black hole, and get out of null space so that the speed conversation could have a better backing overall.

@@Jiggyx3 After rewatching the three fights he has with the two of them It seems Silver only really can keep pace speed wise in 1 of them. In 06 Silver can not match Sonic's speed but relies on stunlocking you to death once you dare to get close. (which to be honest fits him better, I always liked the idea that of him turning a opponent's biggest strength against them) While Infinite quite easily beats Silver after a brief clash. (though to Silver's credit he makes him drop another Phantom Ruby prototype/copy with the few hits he does get in) The outlier ironically enough being Generations where Silver indeed seems to keep pace with the Blue Blur, boost and all. Though with the caveat that in the vid I saw you could still get into homing attack range without boosting. Its basically the same principle as Dragon Ball and the first Sonic movie, yes Sonic can reach immeasurable speeds far outpacing light like he claims in Colors DS but he doesn't always run at these kind of speeds as doing so unneeded wastes energy and can potentially cause some unnecessary damage. Boosting for instance, which causes damage just by running into things at a higher speed, according to Unleashed's SPD meter at top speed is 9x the speed of light.

I imagine that it’s taking quite literally everything Silver has to match Sonic’s speed/Sonic is holding back (at least in Gens)

I can see that argument being valid! Someone else had mentioned that SA2 Shadow is essentially “rusty” as well, so Silver being caught off guard, but swiftly adapting is believable too

The true hero tbh. I wonder if he didn’t get taken out near the start of everything if the issues would’ve been resolved quicker? Came back at the buzzer to do what needed to be done though

Chaos and the team did such a phenomenal job, it’s hard not to feel like it’s the canon version 💀

Plus, this was Shadow when he was still finding his footing. 06 Shadow is around where he knows who he is, found his way of life, and made his decision to keep fighting like he always has. So with SA2, Silver would be at his equal height of power. If not, more.

Both of you make very valid points. Sonic was already pushing Shadow to his limits with speed alone, Silver’s psychokinesis may have given him the edge as well, pushing Shadow even further. I do have a question though. Who wins; inhibitor ring Shadow or Silver ?👀

⁠@@Jiggyx3I would argue that they’re equal or Silver is slightly stronger. Both Silver and Uninhibited Shadow are shown to beat Mephiles and Iblis at their strongest respectively. The reason I’d take Silver in the fight tho is due to him being a quick learner/prodigy, he picked up on Chaos Control in less time than even Sonic.

@@Jiggyx3 sorry not to bombard you with comments, but if you’re going to give silver the added benefit of using the asteroids during the doomsday fight then the final battle with shadow was the same as you can see in your own video. There are asteroids surrounding the runway.

@@Jiggyx3this one actually depends on what shadow, SA2 shadow would lose, heros maybe, 06 defeated silver but the thing is silver has more fighting experience giving him the upper hand against shadow

I’m right there with ya. Hope we get something like it one day!

Glad you enjoyed it! I had considered that, but wanted to have as much backed-up evidence as possible as to why Silver would lose. My line of thinking is that, the characterization and skills of Silver are the exact same, hence him not besting Shadow. Now that you mention it though, Amy being the one to still save the day makes sense, but I’d imagine her realizing that Sonic (Silver in this case) was defeated after all would make her lose hope (?)

@@Jiggyx3 I don't know if Amy would lose hope cause I don't think she sees sonic is ok until shadow is "dead" Then again I don't remember if Amy was in the room when Gerald message was live for the world

Never really thought about those aspects of SA2 until this conversation lmao. Where WAS Amy during all that? Maybe searching for Shadow and then the scene we see is her finally finding him

Ok I checked and she is in the part where they watch the diary my bad. Tho she doesn't do anything but find shadow so while she's waiting she happened to run into him.​@@Jiggyx3

Ahhh makes sense! She probably felt it was the only thing she could do at that time, but it was the most important choice she could’ve made at that moment tbh

We don’t need another generations remake, but Sonic Team could do the funniest thing of all time and remake Forces to be good/ have us see Silver doing his thing 😭

Nah. Silver The Hedgehog.

Or Sonic Team could just make an improved official multi-platform polished remake of Sonic 06 with better writting. That idea is one of the most possible ones because lately the person at SEGA who was a producer of the original 06 game acctually said that he wants to have an opportunity to remake that game!

I like both of those possibilities tbh. I just need it to be fire 🔥

Never got why they were saying that. Some Sonic fans just look forward to games not being the best, I’ve noticed.

@Jiggyx3 Yeah seems like it.

FF7 Remake does go hard. It’s like a bridge between turn-based and kingdom hearts Action RPGs. A nice pace that still allows for methodical thinking

I think Secret Rings with analog/nunchuck controls would be goated. The zones in that game for sure had more style than black knight, but black knight had the benefit of coming out later and being fleshed out. At least the stories for both are pretty good!

So out f place, yet still much appreciated I might say!

@Jiggyx3 Is it really out of place? You were saying shooter game are silent so I said Doom games which are shooter games aren't silent.

​@@Chillin-jg8vg Admittingly, I neglected DOOM in my head, as I consider the game to be an outlier (even though it is what made FPS popular). As you mentioned, I meant more so the Arcade-style games such as COD, Battlefield, etc, where sound is everything and rarely is there is background music. Unfortunately, I hadn't considered the alternatives to that when making the video initially since there aren't many out there. I wish there were more AAA games that took after the approach of just being a badass, single-player shooter with great backdrop music though.

@@Jiggyx3 I was joking anyways.

Yoooo ok ok you cooked with that. Can’t believe I didn’t even consider interactions with the UI like that. That’d be a completely “Sonic” thing to do !!!

I need Sonic Team to give Altus permission expeditiously. They’ve been dropping banger after banger

@ it’s insane that Sega has one of the greatest RPG makers in video game history and one of the most recognisable video game characters of all time yet has never even given them more than a costume collab in a mediocre game, let alone a whole game around it

Probably just a matter of time. I know Persona was kind of niche before 5 rolled around, and that’s all they needed to get put on the map. Sonic had those rough years like I’m sure you know, but we’re so back for both these franchises

@ even before 5 made Atlus and Persona mainstream, it was still a cult classic franchise, people loved Persona 3 and 4, Atlus has been making masterpieces since at least 2006

Oh no denying it, Atlus has been, and always will be the RPG studio of all time. 5, is just when people outside of those who were already in love with them, fell in love with

But I think a Kingdom Hearts style would fit best with the theme of Sonic

Imagine a Kingdom Hearts styled game, but you can freely switch between your party members? Man, that’d be so good!

@@Jiggyx3 That game would have my wallet in a headlock.

@VillageOtter and don’t let there be DLC, because I’m buying it Day 0 if possible

@@Jiggyx3 Same also, I think you have 100 subscribers now?

Why the hell you'll make speed a stat in an action rpg(as Sonic should have an ARPG instead of a turn based one), that's for games that can show literal speed in it's gameplay, maybe how sonic frontiers does it, increasing non boost(as while boosting in that game Sonic behaves like you have max speed stat) initial acceleration and top speed. Edit: and yes I know the maker of this video wants a turn based rpg in some extent but the best adaption that can be done with sonic to rpg are action or pseudo action (mario & Luigi, deltarune, MegaMan battle network) like RPGs.

Fair point, and that’s why I included the challenge room sections. I can see your viewpoint though about Sonic needing to stay true to what he was created to do too

I’m particularly torn between the two tbh. Kingdom hearts is my personal game style of choice, but having to be methodical like in turn-based RPGs scratches an itch in my brain. Genuinely couldn’t choose between the two when it comes down to it though

My biggest mistake was letting a friend borrow my copy of XBC:X and never getting it back :( The remaster will be a most definite cop for me at some point especially w/ Switch 2 backwards compatibility

@@Jiggyx3 seeing everyone collectively make up any excuse to ramble on about that reveal trailer was adorable

I hadn't even thought about incorporating the boost as a(n) RPG mechanic. That's actually a really innovative direction to that take that sort of thing. KEEP COOKING!

@@Jiggyx3 Silver is able to keep a limited amount of objects in perma stasis for traversal an cover which can move around at will and every objects got its own properties so envision simpler BOTW rune nonsense to destroy everyone

Correct and I don't believe I mentioned SEGA/Sonic Team made Chronicles anywhere in the video. Additionally, the interview with IGN that the clip is taken from, Iizuka states specifically that he wants to make a Sonic RPG himself after mentioning that he finds the genre fun.

I appreciate the education, insight, and correction without the typical ‘tone’ those things can come with on UA-cam. Glad you still enjoyed the concept of the video regardless, and thanks for tuning in! Feel free to stick around if it fancies you!

I really really want Sonic to have another Turn-Based RPG. Chronicles could’ve been so much more, and little kid me had a notebook of team-attacks right before release hoping they’d be in the game 😭

A fellow KH lover. We’re so glad you came. Favorite KH game?👀

@Jiggyx3 the most difficult question of all time, but I'm going to have go with kh3 after remind came out, I am a sucker for super bosses and those were some of the greatest of all time

@flameblazerofdeath13 I will say, KH3 gave me the ultimate feels once I fully completed it. Having played every entry leading up to that, felt like a page of my childhood had officially closed

Nah, that’s the Persona series, but KH is a pretty good second

Definitely can see the faster pace of KH fitting Sonic ‼️ Kingdom Hearts 2 was the basis, since that game just flows so naturally

And I love to hear you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching 😁

OOOOOOO THATS A GOOD ONE!! I forgot that he was in the multiplayer mode for Black Knight

My humble apologies, as I misspoke it seems. I meant it as; Zero gravity kind of set the ground work for Mario kart 8 when it comes to its gravity mechanics. I am a Sonic Riders die hard always 🙂‍↕️

Yeah i played sonic riders at an old friend's house completely different

I appreciate it! This was draft number 3 of trying to make sure the point was made and sparked curiosity 😭

@@Jiggyx3 I got me to click so gj

Love to hear it 🙂‍↕️ I’ll keep improving on the formula then

Never really noticed that🧐 But looking back on it, I can see how the two might be related tbh. Would’ve been insane to see if we got something like that for frontiers

@Jiggyx3 honestly, outside of the first three boss fights and the music alongside them, Frontiers sucked. I don't get why people praise it so much. It has no right to be considered a story book game, as those games were much better.

@The_AuraMaster Frontiers was rushed from what I remember hearing around the time it released. As you said, the main gameplay loop of running around was a bit boring, while the fights kept it interesting. However, I think where Frontiers success came from, is the fact that it was such a new take, people couldn’t help but pay attention. Ultimately worked in the games’ favor

Heyyyyy uhh. I can explain 💀 (I can’t)

Update 3 really unlocked a whole new level of skill expression. Recently got a new PC and am trying to tackle my backlog first, so I haven’t redownloaded Frontiers, but I do want to revisit it soon!

I need more of it now 😭

@ same here

A more integrated story and the gameplay of shadow gens would be the Sonic game of all time

It IS definitely one of the best Sonic games, but I find Sonic Generations to be better(imo)

Ahhh you know what. The metal overlord one makes sense highkey. My head defaulted to Omega because Big had mentioned “the robot over there” because in my playthrough, I believe he said it before I even started the climb to get to Metal’s boss gate. Seeing Doom one more time would be interesting if they can weave another reason for him to come back together in a good way. I’m sure we’ll get answers during an interview at some point soon though!

That game, although enjoyable from a ‘turn your brain off’ kinda of prospective, definitely did some damage to these individual stories like you say. With the current direction Sonic Team is going in though, I think we’ll be getting something similar before this decade is over

@Jiggyx3 I was actually talking about a certain someone that ruined things for the future of the game so much that even Sega deems this game noncanon to the dismay of the fans of it.

Ahhhh my apologies. I now get the reference. Name rhymes with Ben Tenders I’m assuming ?

@Jiggyx3 yep

Subjectively speaking, it is the best for me as of recent years. All time, nahhh not even close

Definitely the best, every other Sonic game are a janky mess this one is the only Sonic game that’s actually polished and pretty close to flawless then every Sonic game ever made without a doubt

While I wouldn’t say everrry other. A good portion of recent games are. What makes a good Sonic game in my eyes is; If the gameplay is good and expressive, am I given a reason to care about/like these characters, and if the story is worth something. The werehog isn’t the best combat game, but I think it’s fun and the fact you have this gameplay switch up due to a story element is awesome. Shadow Gens captures all of those things, and is why it’s in my top Sonic games

@@Jiggyx3 frontiers and shadow generations my top 2

Valid honestly. I know we’ll have people look back on these titles in about 10 years or so and say they weren’t great, but they deserve some respect just based on what they’re doing for the franchise

Exactly! Shadow Gens gives me so much more hope for whatever the next mainline game is. It’s probably going to have a bigger budget as well and I’m excited 😭

It’s so weird how the first shadow game failed and the new game won. I love it

@@Jeriot115 The contrast in tone between Sonic Gens and Shadow Gens is what I feel like needs to happen more. Sonic can keep the light-hearted stories if it means that other characters have an opportunity to really get deep in their own games

I hope we get something good like another celebration of multiple characters though! Like how Tails,Knux, and Amy joined for the “Fast Friends Forever” campaign last year for Sonic Superstars and Origins Plus.

I’ll be sure to bring out more worthwhile discussions though! Glad you enjoyed and I’ll see you soon 🔥

That’s a valid point tbh. Adventure 1 was made solely for the purpose to drastically change up the established formula at the time. If 2D is here to stay in 3D Sonic, I hope they continue to improve upon it though just like they have in Shadow Gens

Yooooo 😭 Fingers crossed the shipping dates get expedited and you can play no later than Friday!

@@Jiggyx3 I hope so man🤞I can’t be watching everyone gush about how hype the game is while I’m stuck at school checking the shipping progress every 30 minutes like a maniac