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Roger Penrose's Mind-Bending Theory of Reality
Nobel Laureate Sir Roger Penrose on his Orch OR theory of consciousness that could change what we know about time, the universe and reality, by incorporating the physics of consciousness. Explore mind blowing facts about our reality that show consciousness in quantum mechanics.
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"Testing A Time-Jumping, Multiverse-Killing, Consciousness-Spawning Theory Of Reality"
This is a distillation of approximately 27 hours of talks from October 2022 - October 2023. This video was edited so that viewers without math or physics backgrounds could understand these ideas.
Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch OR) is the Penrose-Hameroff theory of consciousness based on quantum physics.
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I'm Andrea Morris, an interdisciplinary researcher and science and tech journalist contributing 80+ stories to Forbes.com and a member of National Association of Science Writers (NASW.org). My passion is understanding creative intuition, consciousness and intelligence and all its complexity and whatever form it takes.
Variable Minds is a channel intersecting science, tech, art, and creativity. We’ll talk to experts and investigate cognitive systems in humans, nonhumans, and AI, the hard problem of consciousness, and movements to hybridize with technology: transhumanism and the extended mind thesis (EMT).
We'll also examine the artistic mind, unique artistic expression, and the challenges to intelligent and creative anthropocentrism in the wake of generative art, large language models, and exponential technology. At the core of this channel is a commitment to continual learning, holistic thinking (intelligent holism) and the joy of lifelong learning.
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AI thinks in different dimensions
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Amanda Stent is the Director of Colby College’s Davis Institute for AI, the first AI institute at a Liberal Arts college in the United States. We talk about interpretable AI and why humans are incapable of understanding multidimensional AI concepts. We also discuss AI alignment, alien intelligence, AI sentience, equitable AI, transparency, copyright, and prompt engineering as a fundamental curr...
The Paradox in Predicting AI
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Computer Scientist, Kentaro Toyama, explains simple reason that interpreting AI decisions will always be out of reach and the event that might save us from AI existential threat. ▶️ Read the article on Forbes.com: rb.gy/vt7m6 ▶️ Subscribe here: rb.gy/qqo0i Subtitles [CC] have been proofread by a human :) Interview edited for time. Integrity of expert commentary respected and preserved. ▶️ Check...
Computer Scientist & Neuroscientist + AI Pioneer
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An interview with neuroscientist and computer scientist, AI expert, Blake Richards. Working in Geoffrey Hinton's lab (known as the 'Godfather of AI'), Richards developed expertise that has put him at the forefront of this rapidly evolving field. Richards talks about key differences between AI and human minds and goals, and the challenge of understanding and predicting both AI and Human decision...
157 Consciousness Scientists Want to Know
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Consciousness scientists Jonathan Mason on the open letter urging the acceleration of consciousness research, a reaction to break-neck AI developments. Are these AI tools? Prediction machines? And are we all that different from a word calculator? As we race towards AGI and deepfakes blow through Turing tests, hear about the wild ways that advances in large language models like chatGPT could cha...
Sudden Emergence or Mirage? Scientist Reveals Findings
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An interview with computer scientist and AI researcher Rylan Schaeffer about his time as an intern at Google DeepMind and his current research challenging claims of sharp and unpredictable emergent abilities in AI large language models (LLMs). We talk about ChatGPT, interpretable machine learning, hierarchical reinforcement learning and surprising things that happen when you let intelligent mac...

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  • @chadnelson8906
    @chadnelson8906 9 годин тому

    The movie the butterfly effect is real.

  • @Almostcool1
    @Almostcool1 10 годин тому

    He is one of my heroes. Older her gets more comfortable in his own skin he gets.

  • @masternmargarita
    @masternmargarita День тому

    *The Quantum Probability Space is 6-dimensional* Length, width, height, time, material influence, and our collective consciousness/imagination. God and the Devil exist in the 6th dimension, as well as all other programs, including those, which approximate God, the Devil, and everything else. Everything already exists in our collective consciousness. When we think that we're creating something, we're wrong. We're not creators. We're discoverers. We're just discovering what's in there, not creating. We're like antennas. We're here to uncover/discover the hidden harmony - that's our purpose in life. The God entity can be invoked by the categorical imperative, while the Devil entity is invoked by the hypothetical imperative. The categorical imperative is, "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind," and the hypothetical imperative is, "Do that, which you want and can do." Here's an example of the thinking involved when trying to compute a probability of an event happening in the quantum space. Let's suppose we want to predict (discover) a human being getting on his knees around 5 o'clock next to a mosque. We know that once upon a time, someone put down his or their thoughts in a book called, Quran, and now, given that a mosque is a place of worship of Muslims and given that Muslims use Quran as their guide, and given that at 5 o'clock all Muslims usually pray on their knees, thus, it is more than likely to see someone getting on their knees around 5 o'clock when next to a mosque, rather than when next to a church. The entity that emanates the Islam ideology quantum-entangles Muslims: they can be anywhere, but if it's a time to pray, they all get down on their knees. The collective consciousness has an influence on what's happening in the material world, and when in a material world, we must consider its rules. Thus, there are 6 factors to consider when assessing probabilities in the quantum space. We exist in the quantum space and we exist in many places at once.

  • @08wolfeyes
    @08wolfeyes День тому

    Firstly, before I get to the quantum stuff, may I say, the interviewer is very beautiful. Not only that, but clearly smart enough to grasp some understanding of the topic being spoken about. And yes, I did notice the wedding ring, I wouldn't have expected otherwise, lol! 😂 I personally don't think the quantum collapse, at least the maths of it, truly describes what is actually happening. I think it more of a mathematical equation that gives very accurate results but doesn't describe reality itself, at a quantum level. If we're going to say that when something isn't observed, it's in many quantum states and in a physical sense, not thete until we observe it, I see a bit of an issue. Let's say there is a start or a galaxy billions of lightyears away. When I'm not observing it, then it's not there. However, the moment I observe it there in the sky, through a telescope, of course. That collapse would have had to happen instantly but that would mean that information would have had to travel faster than light, which as we know, isn't possible. When it comes to gravity, I think it's rather like time in that it's deeply connected to or even part of the fabric of space its self. I don't think there will be a particle found because I think it might be something to do with the interaction between the mass of an object and space, perhaps an exchange of energy or something. Space tends to behave a little like water, and a planet with mass is like a ball in water. Although with a ball, it does keep a layer of air around itself. There's pressure between the water and the ball. I wouldn't say though that it's a pressure thing, it just seems to behave that way and the outcome is gravity! A great video, really enjoyed it!

  • @zoltanbalint8681
    @zoltanbalint8681 2 дні тому

    Brilliant! This man is of the few who can ultimately connect the world of physics and psychology. Revolutionary!

  • @jasonfusaro2170
    @jasonfusaro2170 3 дні тому

    To the last question posed, my answer is no. If you mean that the collapse result could be anything other than what it is. In simplest terms we, as conscious beings are simply in and watching/experiencing a sort of slowed down movie of decisions being made in a future our minds do not have access to but is as real as every present fleeting moment we experience as well as every memory we remember/recall.

  • @jasonfusaro2170
    @jasonfusaro2170 3 дні тому

    The classical path which is what we view as reality is always the past. Quantum reality is the future probabilities/ possibilities. These can only be seen or determined retroactively by looking back. By determined I don't mean decided but knowing that a decision had/has been made. The future does exist just as certainly as does the past. The past being defined and determined and this truth also applies to the future. Because at any future point a looking back shows determinism as the truth. Therefore the future too is determined. Not knowing the future state in no way validates quantum indeterminacy.

  • @ceneezer
    @ceneezer 4 дні тому

    @24:00 "what is random?" - "random", is God's preference (we can't know it).... and the ultimate end of life, the universe and everything, is God, who retro creates everything. you didn't kill the multiverse - you just reperceived the omniverse as a quantaverse.

  • @remoteview46
    @remoteview46 4 дні тому

    id hate of been a scientist with all the lies 🙄 no wonder they get so confused and go mad 😂 gravity is the biggest lie ever we are under the dome jeezo

  • @mahmoudmassoud5903
    @mahmoudmassoud5903 4 дні тому

    Wow, the best scientific interview ever.

  • @michaelmcarthur8364
    @michaelmcarthur8364 5 днів тому

    So... one has already died before they were born.

  • @letsgoooooo6628
    @letsgoooooo6628 6 днів тому

    Sad to see Penrose losing the thread.

  • @colinjames7569
    @colinjames7569 6 днів тому

    Yes. Memory flashbacks are real. And may also be metaphysically possible. Pointing to the ability to not only feel time, but to decide when in time you want to experience. Or rather feel time

  • @colinjames7569
    @colinjames7569 6 днів тому

    Wonderful

  • @Mikelectric
    @Mikelectric 6 днів тому

    Excellent work, thankyou for introducing this to me. It's exciting to finally have hard scientific discussions that include conciousness

  • @rossentownsend4936
    @rossentownsend4936 6 днів тому

    Terms like wishy-washy And unified theories Will never be helpful. Because they never will truly exist.

    • @santyclause8034
      @santyclause8034 5 днів тому

      Q. How do we define real "existence"? Did you know Prof. Albert Einstein was published: eg. his Theory of Special Relativity, etc? He published science articles which described theories, one of them is the photo-electric effect... his theories were real then, and they still exist today. Be careful how you step upon Arts and Letters. How do you define real "existence"?

  • @MrTwangstaable
    @MrTwangstaable 6 днів тому

    Sounds like the whole thing is layers of abstractions, the lower level substrates vs the consciousness were locked into has a latency that only breaks with reflex actions and other non voluntary actuons. The latency makes us perceive retro grade mechanics.

  • @desmonddwyer
    @desmonddwyer 6 днів тому

    Backwards time jumping that's just experience and thinking about what happened before 🤔

  • @gypsycruiser
    @gypsycruiser 6 днів тому

    To go from one number to the next is a state of infinity..Mathematics is just a language not the solution.. just a tool

  • @gypsycruiser
    @gypsycruiser 6 днів тому

    A remarkable presentation and difficult for me to assimilate.. but will give the subject more attention.. this seems to be a portal to a deeper meaning and understanding of consciousness and quantum reality..very intelligent host..

  • @sarahdrawz
    @sarahdrawz 7 днів тому

    So I’m not crazy

  • @colinshaw3326
    @colinshaw3326 7 днів тому

    Whenever the the intellect,attempts to think it knows far more than what it can ever be possible,it goes directly back to the beginning of what it really knows,which is nothing at all, dice the intellect,it has nothing of any value.

  • @paschaltheyobi
    @paschaltheyobi 8 днів тому

    So therefore, ‘intention’ proceeds ‘action’? That makes sense. That would mean that the ‘embed’ of intentions, over time, within the body, determines the statistical likelihood of the ensuing ‘action’. That comports with our experience of subjective experience within ‘now’.

  • @paschaltheyobi
    @paschaltheyobi 8 днів тому

    Mathematical thinking of infinities is key here; there are two different sizes of ‘infinity’ that are determined by the ‘decimal’ point. To the right of the decimal is a ‘larger’, or ‘greater’ infinity, than to the left of the decimal. If we were to assign physical experience to the left of the decimal, and conceptual experience to the right of the decimal, then we have a mathematical analogy for the human experience of thought within a body. To the degree that this mental model works to conceptualize, then ‘work out’ the incongruity between classical physics and quantum mechanics, or are able to allow for the concept of ‘now’, together with the concept of ‘I am here now’ to be represented by the decimal, is still a question within my own anthropological conjectures and research. It certainly appears to work well. The question remains, how to use this reduced model of reality and the human experience within it to simply represent, and indeed to model a quantitative measurement of intention, or retroactively, the affect of focus, or gravitational waves, which then determines the classical state of reality, and subjective experience within it. My hunch is that when we speak of ‘waves’ in this sense, we are including frequencies which can be measured in terms of audible, or spectral ‘tones’ that are reflective of the subjective state of the individual that is experiencing any discreet ‘now’. This would cohere to being influenced by the collective ‘tone’ of all living beings which are spatially and temporally aware of there being a ‘now’. There should be a ‘shift in the measurable tone emitted’ once a wave ‘collapses’.

  • @paschaltheyobi
    @paschaltheyobi 8 днів тому

    Think of ‘focus’ in this regard as an analogy for gravity. Like a planet is bound to it’s star within the track of that star’s gravitational pull, so to are subjective experiences bound to the collective focus. Subjective experience, like a planet, can have it’s own gravity, magnetic field, etc, yet subjective experience is bound to, and affected by, the greater collective focus within which the subjective experience occurs.

  • @paschaltheyobi
    @paschaltheyobi 8 днів тому

    What if, rather than ‘collapsing the wave function, the ‘focus’ of the observer is ‘weighed’ against the ‘focus’ of the true expectation that is affected by ‘collective focus’ of all aware things near, that is to say ‘present/alive’, in terms of both the breadth and depth of the thing to be measured, the whichever is the greater focus determines which statistically possible options are more likely for the result?

  • @stevenzapiler5806
    @stevenzapiler5806 9 днів тому

    Waht an intelligent interview. You're amazing madame. And it helped me see who he is, truly.

  • @danielmulhern5959
    @danielmulhern5959 9 днів тому

    Excellent

  • @robotaholic
    @robotaholic 11 днів тому

    Throws out the multi erse out of hand Says time may as well not exist because there are no clocks at the end of his conformal cosmological theory and if you wait enoughh eons the big bang happens again because quantum.

  • @farwoodfiberarts
    @farwoodfiberarts 11 днів тому

    IF we could control gravity some of my body parts would be perkier! LOL

  • @WILLIAMMALO-kv5gz
    @WILLIAMMALO-kv5gz 11 днів тому

    Thanks to the mental acrobatics of Roger Penrose in my past; there now exists a high probability bias that I will watch this video again in the near future.

  • @johnnyraybartoshevich3073
    @johnnyraybartoshevich3073 11 днів тому

    Operation room commentary 53:03

  • @craigstiferbig
    @craigstiferbig 11 днів тому

    Classical is a pulsation packet,

  • @TheRecklessUploader
    @TheRecklessUploader 12 днів тому

    11:50 in over my head here, I’m gonna go ahead and “like” the video cause I want more… maybe I can get to the point where I understand a whole 15 minutes of this conversation. 😅. Fascinating though, I think.

  • @nicksexteriorhomemaintenan9344
    @nicksexteriorhomemaintenan9344 12 днів тому

    I can help more

  • @jarsen321
    @jarsen321 12 днів тому

    Subject very interesting but she is so beautiful I can’t even pay attention while watching. I have to put phone down and listen! 😂

  • @bubbs2518
    @bubbs2518 12 днів тому

    Thank you for this. I got alot out of it. ❤

  • @ioanbota9397
    @ioanbota9397 13 днів тому

    I like this video its interestyng

  • @Neon_White
    @Neon_White 13 днів тому

    I wonder if Dr Penrose has ever tried any psychotropics, because his descriptions of time are about the only thing I've ever come across that comes close to describing what I experienced using certain deleriants. The way we consciously experience time is definitely an artifact of the brain, and there is part of the mind, the subconscious part, that is timeless, where every moment is like an island that exists forever in that state, and the conscious mind sort of jumps from island to island through these infinite gaps, voids. And what the universe actually is, is every possible one of these islands, and every possible way that can be travelled between them, and what we experience as ourselves is like a kind of holographic image that comes out of the universe when viewed from a certain perspective.

  • @Neon_White
    @Neon_White 13 днів тому

    Computation is different than consciousness because computing is based on certainty, and consciousness is based on choice which requires uncertainty. Computation has half of the element of consciousness, which is perception, but there are no decisions to be made. Once you have your input, the computer is simply processing the data and providing output. Hmm, I suppose it's possible that as transistors get smaller and more prone to quantum effects, blips of consciousness could occur. Now that I think of it, it might be possible to actually evolve full consciousness in computers somehow; that would be an interesting project. Would need to somehow incorporate the element of true randomness, and start with cellular automata, gradually building more and more complex structures with genetic algorithm. Someone out there is likely already attempting this.

  • @joek1107
    @joek1107 14 днів тому

    If gravity causes the collapse of the wave functioning, then everything on Earth is conscious, including Earth. There has to be more to it. I think it is the essence of the Creator Energy, as shown and written by the Sumerians and depicted all over the world. The bag. What is in that bag that is even depicted at Gobekli Tepe? The essence is…

  • @mechannel7046
    @mechannel7046 17 днів тому

    2:00 classic physics describes large things. Quantum small

  • @aloha2713
    @aloha2713 17 днів тому

    I'm wondering if it's the correlation to something else (like a clock) that determines the position? And perhaps we as “observers” make a connection? What if every consciousness did this, so that there were no different versions of the universe, but rather we created them and moved from one to another. We share one version of probability with others and then switch to another without noticing it.

  • @MUROKURA
    @MUROKURA 17 днів тому

    So, the quantum reality is shifted and ultimately disconnected from classical reality by the sole fact that it's retroactive. It's like an underlying layer that gives rise to the classical all the time but shifted in time in a way that we can't measure it (hence measure the collapse of the wave function)? I think this ultimately forbids us to measure or observe retroactivity in the classical reality, as it would be shifting to a state where the classical reality didn't exist. At least that's my layman's take on some of this. I'm really interested what kind of an experiment Roger Penrose is cooking up to try and show this retro-causality manifestation. I also feel there we're touching on borders beyond which philosophy rules, and science really hates theories that can't be proved (multiverse is one such theory, and I personally don't like it). I don't know what I'm trying to say here :) Also, this girl is very intelligent, I can see by the way she makes these very fast, clever and intuitive analogies. It's a joy to observe this, really. I like her! Great job!

  • @Ohyeah100100
    @Ohyeah100100 17 днів тому

    Legendary interview, Sir Penrose truly has a unique mind

  • @Hyacinth_Rose
    @Hyacinth_Rose 17 днів тому

    The phenomenon of ignoring evident facts is called negation, in psychology

  • @user-te9dx1iy2p
    @user-te9dx1iy2p 19 днів тому

    The lack of investment into quantum theory based experiments seem short sighted! For Goodness sake, why can’t we invest into physics and studies of consciousness while we waste 180+billions on the same anti-humanitarian military conflict that has been playing for several centuries regardless of changing national borders?! Military pushes civilizations backwards or into extinction. Physics pushes civilization forward. We invest into our our destruction which is a conscious choice an absurd choice

  • @TheNewPhysics
    @TheNewPhysics 19 днів тому

    It is not mind-bending... It is mind-losing as in "you lost your mind if you follow Sir Roger Penrose into his Rabbit Hole".

  • @dwivedys
    @dwivedys 19 днів тому

    1:07:07! That’s the moment you see an exceptionally beautiful human being - Dearest Sir Penrose! I simply adore you 😘😘😘😘😘

  • @flamurbedrolli802
    @flamurbedrolli802 20 днів тому

    Put the AI on a future quantum computer and you have the consciousness .