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Igrien
Netherlands
Приєднався 2 жов 2011
Hi, I'm Igrien. I'm a photographer, artist, owner of Currant Magazine and mother to Rosie and I live in Amsterdam. Welcome to my UA-cam channel.
Why I say Chinese AND lunar new year
Last week we had a week full of lunar new year celebrations with our family. I wanted to share those celebrations, talk a bit about my Chinese new year celebrations growing up, the controversial debate around whether to say Chinese or Lunar new year and how I intend to raise my child with more Chinese culture than I had growing up.
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***CHAPTERS***
00:00 Introduction
00:33 Chinese new year
01:22 Growing up vs now
02:22 Debate Chinese vs Lunar
02:58 What I say
03:24 Chinese diaspora vs Chinese
04:03 In the Netherlands
05:19 Chinese aspects new year
06:38 Respect
06:53 Chinese dress
07:58 Asian mangoes
08:43 New year food
10:08 Celebrating culture
11:27 First gen vs second gen
12:27 Being a 'banana'
13:22 Qipao dress
14:05 Customs
14:58 Our crowdfunding
15:52 Clé de Peau lunar new year
17:57 Atelier Blanc
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***MENTIONED***
Our foundation Red Blue Collective: redblue.foundation/
***CHAPTERS***
00:00 Introduction
00:33 Chinese new year
01:22 Growing up vs now
02:22 Debate Chinese vs Lunar
02:58 What I say
03:24 Chinese diaspora vs Chinese
04:03 In the Netherlands
05:19 Chinese aspects new year
06:38 Respect
06:53 Chinese dress
07:58 Asian mangoes
08:43 New year food
10:08 Celebrating culture
11:27 First gen vs second gen
12:27 Being a 'banana'
13:22 Qipao dress
14:05 Customs
14:58 Our crowdfunding
15:52 Clé de Peau lunar new year
17:57 Atelier Blanc
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Wishing you the best in achieving your goals this year!
Thank you!
Politely, I don't give a eff about inclusiveness when it comes to calling a specific holiday. Those people who feel offended are shallow and doesn't really appreciate the true meaning of the holiday itself. I grew up knowing it as Chinese New Year and will continue to call it as such. Wishing you and your family a Happy Chinese New Year! 👍
Thank you! I guess there's just a lot of sinophobia in the world and I get that. But that should not be a reason for us to stop calling it Chinese new year, when we're celebrating Chinese new year! Happy Chinese new year to you too!
@igrien It's sinophobia driven by media in my opinion. If this was a real issue, we should have this debate from the 70s or even earlier. I just started watching your videos today and I find it refreshing to see your view as part of the Chinese diaspora. As I grow old, I realize that accepting our root becomes more important in order not to get lost from all these nonsense that the media wants us to accept. Wishing you all the best in your future endeavors 🙏🏼
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Chinese eten vies, waar is Chinese mensen daar veel vies.
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Because you can and don't let anyone tell you otherwise 👊🏼
That's so true! Thanks for watching!
First time stumbling upon your channel... mind to share how your American English is so good and smooth, even better than the local white Dutch people??
Ah thank you! I hear a lot of faults in my accent myself! I guess watching a ton of American tv shows and movies helps a lot!
I'm a CBC, born & live in Canada... I feel like over the years the white people are more aware of racial sensitivity and refrain from cracking racist jokes in schools or workplaces.... However, there's still a small pocket of losers who just like to make fun of any Asian-looking people and telling them to "Go back to China"... it's unfortunate but we gotta move on with life... no point bringing down our level to fight with them.... but one of these days I will just say "look guys, why are you so proud?? your ancestors stole this land from the indigenous!! just because you are uneducated & ignorant, doesn't mean it never happened!!!" - and then hope no physical altercation ensues lol......
Yeah we get comments like that here too in the Netherlands. Also a lot of comments about 'don't you eat dog?' and things like that.. I used to fight back but it feels pointless sometimes. And yeah, as if white people are perfect. The Dutch have stolen things across the world and made a fortune with it for centuries.
@igrien And that's why I always teach my kids to have some Asian pride and don't ever be naive to ever think we can break all barriers and think/behave just like them!! Covid was a great example where when shit happens, non-whites get scapegoated instantly!! But all things considered, Canada is still a great country, compared to rest of the western world!!
@@rakuraku8043 Have heard great things about living in Canada from friends who have family there. Hope I get to visit one day!
Veel geluk in het nieuwe huis 🎉. Ik weet dat jullie nu druk zijn maar hebben jullie plannen met het Lentefestival (of Chinees nieuwjaar zoals het in de Nederlandse volksmond wordt genoemd)?
Ja we hebben vanavond een etentje met de schoonfamilie. Ook leuk voor Rosie om mee te maken. En later in de week een etentje met mijn familie! Dus lekker veel eten en samen zijn!!
Weesp is litterally 10 minutes by train or car from Amsterdam. But Weesp isn't really the usual kind of city suburb, it has a beautiful small historic center of it's own, with some nice shops too ... Check it out and you'll be pleasantly surprised! Wish you and your family lots of luck and happiness overthere!
It is so nice here! My husband and I say this every day since we moved. The small town, the people (so friendly!), the nature all around. We even sleep better here somehow haha! Thank you and thank you for watching!
Weesp is gemeente Amsterdam so technically you didnt move 😀 Veel geluk in jullie nieuwe woning,
@@ThirstyTunaTaco That’s true. That’s why I don’t feel I have left the city completely 🤭 Dank! We kijken uit naar dit nieuwe hoofdstuk in Weesp 🫶
If you speak English, you are either an American or English, Australian or Canadian or Indian.
or Dutch Chinese
Wonderful video, thank you
@@nonglouie5106 Thanks for this 🫶
Excellent.. Proud of you all.
@@nonglouie5106 thank you 🫶
I am a Dutch 'native' from Amsterdam, and although many Dutch people are not great fans of modern China (mostly because of the Chinese government with their often anti-western political views) i never heard anyone saying anything bad about (former) Chinese immigrants, or their now Dutch children and grand children. Never ever.
@@JanuzTrance68 With all respect, but just because YOU haven’t heard it, ever, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, ever. I have experienced it unfortunately.
Of course you could never be Dutch because it's an ethnic identity. I don't think anyone can really become Dutch not even Flemish people and Boer people from Africa could truly become Dutch but their children would be, unlike you. Though I do suppose that the Chinese diaspora is treated considerably better and generally liked more then Moroccans and Turks or the other groups from North Africa the middle east or SubSaharan Africa aside from the dutch decedents around the cape.
If by treated better you mean people see us as 'the model minority', than yes. But there are enough people who still have lots of prejudices about my Chinese roots, make jokes about my culture, where they wouldn't dare to do it with other minorities, and still treat me as inferior. I guess each minority group in the Netherlands has their own problems.
@@igrien Yeah like that
Omdat Chinezen in Nederland, een groot machtig land als China achter hen hebben. Durven Nederlanders hen niet aan te pakken.
Wat bedoel je precies met 'achter hen hebben'? Ik heb niemand achter mij. En ik vind juist dat andere etnische minderheden minder 'aangepakt' worden door Nederlanders dan Chinezen. Ik krijg nog altijd naar mijn hoofd geslingerd 'of ik thuis hond eet' of 'waarom eet men wespen in China'. En dat zie ik weer minder snel bij andere minderheden.
@@igrien ik weet niet precies waar je het over hebt. Was die reactie voor mij of had iemand anders een reactie hier onder achter gelaten die verborgen is? Maar goed ik vind het niet zulke kwalijke opmerkingen. In China eten ze immers nog steeds hond. Dan doet niet iedereen dit maar er zijn restaurants voor door het hele land. Dat is iets waar westerlingen vaak heel moeilijk over doen maar ik vind het eigenlijk een beetje overdreven. Maar wat zijn je verwachtingen eigenlijk. Het is niet alsof wij Europeanen ons in China kunnen intergrwted daarvoor zijn nog veel veel meer barrières. Beide sociale en op het wettelijke vlak. De enkele Europeanen die in China geboren zijn worden ook nooit gezien als Chinees dit kan andersom natuurlijk net zo zeer niet.
2024 wasnt a good year for most Europeans, Billions and Billions wasted on Ukraine
Get ready for Lunar new year! Year of the Snake!
Yes hope it will be a good year!
Fabulous Igrien, keep up the great work!
Thank you! Much appreciated!
I am living in Eindhoven since 2009, and we have more and more expats living in this city because of technology companys around. Both of my kids are born here. From time to time, I am also thinking about to how my kids are gonna identify themselves, if they will feel lost simply because they find themselves are not belong to any part of the society. But again, since our neighborhood is so diverse, at this moment, my kids are not feeling any exclusive at all. I think over time, the world will become smaller and smaller and we are all simply the citizens of earth.
I agree and that is my wish; for the world to see everybody as equals, just citizens of the world. Where we live now, there's loads of expats too and I do like the 'worldly' vibe better than where we used to live.
Well, that's easy, how tall are your Children? :) Ah you are Dutch :) And Chinese :)
We're not tall so I guess I'm Chinese
Dankje wel
China heroïne
Heerlijk winkelen bij Oriental in Rijswijk zie ik
Nee dit was Oriental Amsterdam!
@igrien maar even lekker ;-)
You make a great point about national identity sometimes feeling like a club that others can’t join, even though it’s mostly based on where you (and/or your parents) just happened to be born. It can offer a sense of belonging, but it can also fuel an “us versus them” mindset that separates people. In a way, it’s both very real (because it shapes how we see ourselves and each other) and an illusion (because we’re all human, and these boundaries are mostly created by ourselves and the systems around us). That’s why I really admire people who navigate multiple cultures or move to a completely different environment and still find their own path. It’s not always easy to balance different traditions or languages, but it also opens you up to new ideas about who you can be-beyond just your “official” nationality. It’s a reminder that we don’t have to cling too tightly to one label. We can embrace whichever elements actually help us grow, rather than just what we’ve been told to accept. Maar even in het Nederlands: ik vind het supermooi hoe jij je eigen weg zoekt in al die culturen. Ga zo door!
Mooi verwoord en helemaal mee eens. Ik zou ook heel graag in de toekomst een tijdje in het buitenland willen wonen, om een keer iets anders mee te maken. Het leven is ook zo kort om alleen 1 land te hebben meegemaakt! En uiteindelijk zijn we meer dan alleen ons nationaliteit of etniciteit van onze ouders. We worden door van alles en nog wat beïnvloed en gevormd. Dank voor het kijken en de comment!
veel succes met je doelen!
Dank!
You have the best of both heritage.
I agree, thank you!
The topic starts at 07.12, before that she talks us on a walk through China town and talks about her book project. It’s two videos and topics fumbled together
Thanks for this!
OMG Dutch subtitles appear so much longer... ;-)
I'm so sorry!!
Think about it the other way, would chinese people consider a blonde, white girl born in China to be chinese? I don't think so. I guess you have to accept that sentiment, but look at the positives, you can communicate with both worlds and find a way to fit in.
I think they could and I have seen it. But agree that it's a pro to be able to communicate with both worlds!
ik kijk uit naar het boek!
Dank! Ik zal updates posten!
@@igrien Ik ben meerdere malen in China geweest en ben zo in de greep van de cultuur, de mensen, de taal, en heb de taal zelfs geleerd. China voelt als thuis voor mij altijd als ik er ben. Chinese (en Taiwanese) vrienden zeggen altijd 'you're more Chinese than I am" hahah. Wie weet is het een interessante invalshoek van je boek! Ik sta altijd open voor koffie haha. Anyhow, Ik kan me verder overigens alleen maar voorstellen hoe het is met een Chinees / Nederlandse achtergrond op te groeien in Nederland. Ben dan ook heel nieuwsgierig naar het boek!
As a dutch born kaaskop, I'd say you may feel you belong to wherever you want to belong. Chinese, dutch, chinese-dutch or dutch-chinese. There are so many chinese in the netherlands that you don't really stand out and in China you may not stand out at all, but depending on yr level of knowledge of the language, people there may also wonder where you are from
Agree!
You also speak English like a native. How did that happen?
Thank you <3 Growing up with lots of American tv and movies!
@davidwen maybe you should meet David Wen, he is a Chinese American who has been living in Netherland for a few years. :)
Would love that! I've seen his videos!
Regardless of your nationality, everybody should be proud of your own heritage and culture. Be who you are and find the balance.
100% agree!
My Chinese Dutch friend sent me this-I’m a Chinese American living in The Netherlands who grew up in San Francisco’s Chinatown-your story resonates with mine too. Immigrant parents (especially my mom) who came with nothing and gave us everything. And being bicultural. It’s a story that many of us overseas Chinese share too. And it’s so important to tell these stories of our parents and our culture, so I wish you all the best and good luck!
Well said by Wen.
I've seen many of your videos, nice to meet you! And thanks! I hope we can meet some day!
Mijn opa kwam in de jaren 50 naar Nederland vanuit Sicilië en moest ook voor alles aanpassen. Hij kon op zijn minst 5 talen maar niet Nederlands. Dat kon hij nog steeds niet toen hij oud was. Mijn oma is Nederlands (ook een mengsel van Indisch, Brits, Duits and Joods) en die heeft hem veel geleerd. Mijn vader is Nederlands met een beetje duits, dus ben ik maar 25% Siciliaans waarvan dat ook gemengd is tussen allemaal volkeren (we komen uit Chiusa Sclafani een door noormannen gestichte dorp) en toch hoe ik me opgevoed ben voel ik me meer Siciliaans dan Nederlands. Ik luister meer naar Italiaanse muziek en ik kook veel liever Italiaans, Ik kan ook net zo goed Siciliaans verstaan alhoewel praten wat moeilijker is. Ik doe well mee met dat cultuurtje van jullie maar dat Nederlandse identiteit is gewoon niet zo sterk bij mij.
Mooi om zo veel verschillende verhalen te lezen, vanuit verschillende hoeken van de wereld!
As a Dutch man married for almost 20 years to a chinese born chinese wife, I know it is not easy, be proud of yourself
Thank you for this. Really needed it today!
It is perfectly normal to ask a person where they’re from (originally) in my opinion. When I, a Dutch white skinned person, visit to the north, where my brother lives, people ask me where I’m from. They say I sound from the western part of The Netherlands, specifically (around) Amsterdam. Im not offended, although I should be, I don’t wanna be associated with people from Amsterdam, they’re a special bunch. Most people are just curious and interested, and have no harm in mind.
Agree that it doesn't have to be offensive. But when it's a question you've been asked your whole life, even though I write and speak just as good as any other Dutch, it can make you feel like you don't belong. I'm sure most people mean no harm, but indirectly, a question like that can be like I'm not Dutch, even though I was born here and feel more at home here than, for instance, in China, where I know almost nothing. It's a difficult thing to explain but I hope you understand!
This is a really sensitive one one !! I personally dont like this ultra nationalistic kind of mind state, how ever embracing ur culture language & being just yourself gives u abit of peace 🕊️
Agree!
Waar is die supermarkt
@@armandovanhaaren9823 Amazing Oriental in Amsterdam
Respect for your mother. She must be a tough cookie.
@@ThirstyTunaTaco she definitely is!
@@igrien She made some REAL sacrifices girlll. Is she still allive and in NL?
@ She did. Everything I have now is because of her. She is. She is now a very happy grandmother, in love with her grand child. She comes here almost every day to be with our Rosie 🥰🥺🫶
need more vlogs die zijn super leuk om to kijken :)
Ah thanks! Ik ben bezig met de volgende! Was een beetje druk de laatste maand :(
is your father dutch or Chinese because your title is quite vague are you dutch Chinese or Chinese Chinese living in the Netherlands and did you not have a dutch father ??? just say your Chinese father ditch your Chinese mother
My father was Chinese too but I was born in the Netherlands so that makes me Dutch.
I am a 66 yo male, born in (then) Djakarta. From an 'Indisch' (mixed Dutch-Indonesian) military background. My parents & their 5 sons came in January 1967 to the Netherlands as it was the last possibility for people of mixed ancestry (remnants of Dutch colonialism) to come. Call it sth of a repatriation. Racism was sth I really endured. I grew up not far from Geuzenveld, in Osdorp. On one occasion was asked by a 'friend' not to enter his house, because his mother hated coloured people. Suffice to say that that was the last time I ever spoke to him. Even later racism was still lurking. But I refused to get defined by these nasty experiences. Other people don't get to determine who I am. Although born in Indonesia, and I am aware of & appreciate my Indonesian culture & background, I am Dutch & feel Dutch. Not because Indonesia is inferior to the Netherlands, but this country shaped me in every which way. The fact that I am gay as the oldest of 5 boys has also a lot with that. Also I know what it means to be a Christian in a country where at least 80% were Muslim. Don't get me wrong, my dear mother was Muslim, so was her father who was a devout. He was the one who told me that Jews, Christians and Muslims were children of Abraham. That we were related & shouldn't fight or hate each other. Problem was that you were still different than the other children. Here in Amsterdam I feel protected & secure. As a student I lived in England for a while, and I took an Interrail on several occasions. I love Europe, but Amsterdam is the place where I want to be & someday to die. You don't notice you live in a paradise, till you are out of it. Sure the Netherlands has its problems, but somehow or other we managed to talk the problems away & stay in communication. Last but not least I want to proclaim this to the world: 'Amsterdam, er is geen stad die ook maar aan je tippen kan.'
Thank you for this, I enjoyed reading it <3 I've always wanted to live abroad but as I grow older, I see how much I've taken for granted here. Things I know to be better here than abroad. Sure it's not perfect, but no place is. I think in the end we might just stay here!
As an Dutch “ethnic European” in the Netherlands I never ask a Dutch person who “has the looks from another continent” about “where do you come from”… I just want to get to know the person as a person, not “why someone looks differently from me”. It’s up to anyone themselves to reveal their identity, whether it’s cultural, gender or looks. The world today is mixed and it’s a wealth to get to know people who are different from yourself. Evolutionary the most diverse population will be the strongest to stand the future.
I admire that. We should in the end look past our looks in society!
As an Dutch “ethnic European” in the Netherlands I never ask a Dutch person who “has the looks from another continent” about “where do you come from”… I just want to get to know the person as a person, not “why someone looks differently from me”. It’s up to anyone themselves to reveal their identity, whether it’s cultural, gender or looks. The world today is mixed and it’s a wealth to get to know people who are different from yourself. Evolutionary the most diverse population will be the strongest to stand the future.
I admire that! In the end we should all look past how we look and just treat each other as equal people!
I wouldnt ask it like that, because “where do you come from” seems to assume you’re not Dutch. But if I’m trying to get to know someone I would be interested in knowing about their heritage - and might ask about it. There is in no way any offense intended by that.
Whem diversity becomes divisive then it does not strengthen anything anymore.
The world by far isn't as mixed as you picture. That's just a western thing, and even then it's not that prevalent. Most cultures in the world are pretty homogenous ethnically. And that's fine. Not sure what to make of the evolutionary comment. Biologically it does seem generally beneficial to mix dna from two humans worlds apart in ethnic group, but a culture can't be solely based around that. And if you were to mix all cultures, you'd ultimately still end up with a homogenous whole as it averages out. And strongest? No? Why?
Your title already says how you feel: A Dutch Chinese is a Chinese. A Chinese Dutch is Dutch.
Or is it the other way around? For some people, Dutch Chinese means you are Dutch.
You know what is a 'bijvoegelijk naamwoord' ? It says something about the word after it. A brown tree is still a tree. Yes, it's brown tho. A Dutch Chinese is a Chinese that is Dutch. Anyway, I'm far from racist and want you to know that everyone is welcome here. I admire the Chinese respectful culture.
@@TheJoaveck Thanks! I guess it's confusing because in English, the term British or American Chinese seems to be used more often instead of Chinese Brit or American. Me and my friends always argue which is more correct but we never end up agreeing haha!
@@igrien No problem and I hope you don't feel offended by my directness. I really just like to share my perspectives from the other side. There are conservatives in every country that don't like change. But I think we can only learn from getting to know other cultures.
@ I agree. I think discussions is what gets us further in society in the end and not blaming each other for not being this or that, that’s too easy. So I appreciate your time and thought!
Je bent pas een Nederlander als je thuis ook Nederlands praat. Punt. Anders ben je net een toerist.
Maar wat als je ouders de taal niet goed beheersen? Dan ben je niet Nederlands? Mijn paspoort zegt namelijk dat ik wel Nederlands ben. Maar met mijn moeder praat ik Chinees.
@@igrien Waarom praat jouw moeder nog altijd geen Nederlands? Je zei dat ze hier geboren zijn toch? Wanner ik zou emigreren naar China zou ik echt wel mijn best om zo snel mogelijk op zijn minst mandarijn te leren. Wij Nederlanders zijn altijd degene die zich aanpassen voor mensen die een andere taal spreken. Duitsers, Fransen, en voor de rest van de wereld spreken we ook nog Engels. Als je hier al zo lang leeft en nog de taal niet beheerst, ben je dan wel oprecht geinteressert in het land waar je woont of zocht je een plek om Chinees te zijn onder betere leefomstandigheden?
@ mijn moeder is hier niet geboren. Ze is hier gekomen in de jaren 70-80. Ze spreekt wel Nederlands; beter dan de gemiddelde Chinees in haar kring. Maar uiteraard nog wel beperkt. Vandaar dat we thuis toch Chinees spreken; wel met een mix van Nederlandse woorden omdat ik gebrekkig Chinees spreek 🤭
@ en eens hoor, zou ik ook doen als ik zou emigreren. Maar van wat ik heb gehoord van de eerste generatie Chinezen, was het een moeilijke tijd. Taalcursussen waren niet gratis en vaak hadden ze het geld niet en de tijd hier. Lonen waren lager voor Chinezen dus ze konden niet anders dan zelf iets starten en daar 80u per week staan. En het was in die tijd nog geen vereiste.
@@igrien Oh ik dacht ze hier geboren was. Heel erg bedankt voor je verklaring. Ik snap het wel dat je als 'buitenstaander' een kring hebt met 'soortgenoten' die ook jouw cultuur en taal delen.
Very annoying: Subtitles i can't get rid of in the same language as spoken...
I'm sorry! Some people like it because they turn off the sound..
Support all Asians living in Western countries!
Thank you!
@Mrhouse must be racist Trump supporter!