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Lying and Cheating in cEDH!? Featuring special guest Rebell! | Final Fortune Podcast Episode 2
In this episode of The Final Fortune Podcast we discuss lying and cheating in cEDH, recent tournaments, upcoming tournaments, and interview @RebellSon !
Note: Since recording this episode Ka0s has banned the cheater.
Interesting in cEDH coaching? Reach out to us on Twitter or Discord!
Twitter:
FreedomWaffle_
_Memo_4302
Discord:
freedomwaffle
memo4302
Rebell's Info:
@RebellSon
SonRebell
Tournaments:
BallonCon 2: edhtop16.com/tournament/v0qoAxiKr4QbYkOM2nMa?tourney_filter__TID=v0qoAxiKr4QbYkOM2nMa
Mox Masters February: edhtop16.com/tournament/MvTAbo5WNPlEcLB0Olxx?tourney_filter__TID=MvTAbo5WNPlEcLB0Olxx
From The Vault: edhtop16.com/tournament/tQj4jCH1rQaYzcrtPxN1?tourney_filter__TID=tQj4jCH1rQaYzcrtPxN1
Tavern of Souls Grand Opening: edhtop16.com/tournament/B5U4b5h66OS5yDmqDIOz?tourney_filter__TID=B5U4b5h66OS5yDmqDIOz
0:00 Intro
1:04 BallonCon 2
4:52 Mox Masters February
8:15 From The Vault
12:07 Tavern of Souls Grand Opening
13:02 Rebell / Lying in cEDH
29:37 Recent Cheating Incident
43:40 Keeps of the Week
102:14 Upcoming Events
104:37 Outro
#cedh #mtg #edh #tournament #interview #podcast #magicthegathering
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The Final Fortune Podcast Episode 1 with Special Guest ComedIanMTG! | CEDH Podcast
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In our pilot episode of The Final Fortune Podcast we discuss recent and upcoming tournaments, the current meta, and interview ComedianMTG! Interesting in cEDH coaching? Reach out to us on Twitter or Discord! Twitter: FreedomWaffle_ _Memo_4302 Discord: freedomwaffle memo4302 Comedian's Channel: @ComedIanMTG Tournaments: The Boil: edhtop16.com/tournament/TheBoil?tourney_fi...
Interview with August Mox Masters 2023 Champion Devrik | CEDH Tournament | Player Profile
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In this interview we discuss Devrik's 1st place finish in Mox Masters August 2023 playing Najeela. Decklist: www.moxfield.com/decks/KaxCxNFp0UqvXnNzhGBZxg Tournament Bracket: topdeck.gg/bracket/MM823 Connect with Devrik: Discord: devrik203 Moxfield: www.moxfield.com/users/devrik203 Looking To Improve Your Game? Reach out for CEDH Coaching! Twitter: FreedomWaffle_ Discord: freedomwaf...
Who Needs Thoracle Anyway? | Ka0s Treasure Series 6 Finals | No Commentary | CEDH Gameplay
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Ka0s Treasure Series 6 Finals match featuring Tymna Kraum, Dargo Thrasios, Kinnan, and Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter. Decklists: Tymna Kraum: www.moxfield.com/decks/to7KNlwyB0SEf_IoBknwhQ Dargo Thrasios: www.moxfield.com/decks/NbC7buwS5EqgHtXglU7f_A Kinnan: www.moxfield.com/decks/OYpsy84lZU-HPrQiW9hmdQ Liberator: www.moxfield.com/decks/2cpNmB5Y_UiydX6RdMGPDQ All Decklists: edhtop16.com/tourna...
Double Najeela in the Finals!? | Mox Masters August 2023 Finals | No Commentary | CEDH Gameplay
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Mox Masters August 2023 Finals match feature 2 Najeelas, Kinnan, and Korvold. Huge shoutout to duk9r for sharing this recording of the finals! Decklists: Devrik's Najeela: www.moxfield.com/decks/OyH539IsJkqUjYwaUpWogw duk9r's Najeela: www.moxfield.com/decks/kvwC2x2qsUCa-1n7Ck6HNg WoundedSattelite's Kinnan: www.moxfield.com/decks/BAVGYsGAtEeWVkNxM0oYDQ unrivaled's Korvold: www.moxfield.com/decks...
The Perfect Wheel | Dargo Thrasios Kinnan Yuriko Tivit | CEDH Gameplay
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This game starts off with fair midrange magic until the perfect wheel lets all hell break loose. Decklists: Dargo Thrasios: www.moxfield.com/decks/NbC7buwS5EqgHtXglU7f_A Kinnan: www.moxfield.com/decks/u6KgC8G6P0qgc4jkl_vkqg Yuriko: www.moxfield.com/decks/c5FI6FC3yEiEvUi1AbW55g Tivit: www.moxfield.com/decks/FwKTvbmXqkm5rI5ITd4eEg Looking To Improve Your Game? Reach out for CEDH Coaching! Twitter...
Ad Naus to 1 Life! | CEDH Gameplay
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In this game we witness a crazy Ad Naus to 1 life with some real mental gymnastics to find the win! Video Submitted by Jey Decklists: Etali: www.moxfield.com/decks/KZ-09dmjX0-yoT9LQc63XA Ratadrabik: www.moxfield.com/decks/msWI9SXXj0yO_75vxHRsmA Najeela: www.moxfield.com/decks/lrhWlT_oN0-kIu6zBs2qkg Dargo Thrasios: www.moxfield.com/decks/NbC7buwS5EqgHtXglU7f_A Looking To Improve Your Game? Reach...
Interview with The Cookout Champion Anthony Rivera! | CEDH Tournament | Player Profile
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In this interview we discuss Tony's championship run in The Cookout 2023 by Eminence Events playing Kinnan. Decklist: www.moxfield.com/decks/uRQW9lK70k6VANbKu68naw Tournament Bracket: eminence.events/bracket/TheCookout Find Tony UA-cam: ua-cam.com/channels/ZapdMDbjG6UmU31Vtyp2XQ.html Twitch: www.twitch.tv/spacejump_suit Moxfield: www.moxfield.com/users/butterbread81 Instagram: spa...
Kinnan Deck Tech with WoundedSatellite | CEDH Deck Tech
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In this video we talk in depth about WoundedSatellite's Grind Them Into Dust Kinnan CEDH deck Decklists: WoundedSatellite: www.moxfield.com/decks/OYpsy84lZU-HPrQiW9hmdQ PingMeisterPong: www.moxfield.com/decks/Ivr0j6ozM0C9HpAQM5AUKg WoundedSatellite's Moxfield: www.moxfield.com/users/WoundedSatellite Colors Are a Crutch UA-cam: www.youtube.com/@UCqEhUfvHxb5DrM1WYi5VXgg Kinnan Community Discord: ...
Turn 1 One Ring Not Good Enough!? | CEDH Gameplay
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In this video we showcase a crazy fast game from a recent tournament where a turn 1 One Ring was not good enough! Decklists: Dihada: www.moxfield.com/decks/_Xl4Eddd1UuKkGhg2nzFYQ Dargo Thrasios: www.moxfield.com/decks/NbC7buwS5EqgHtXglU7f_A Yuriko: www.moxfield.com/decks/BDoMj5Af8E2Adb156wziUQ Bjorna & Wernog: www.moxfield.com/decks/rA0cIj_cmUu8nho-M33qJA Want to start tracking your games? Try ...
Nymris Deck Tech with Mox Masters Finalist Snake! | CEDH Deck Tech
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In this video we go over Snake's Nymris, Oona's Trickster CEDH deck, some of the Mox Masters July finals plays, and more! MM July Nymris List: www.moxfield.com/decks/wxILX0yb90yOgl5dp6pFvg Snake's Updated Nymris List: www.moxfield.com/decks/wCMILAnKwkKhh4RkszlkDw FreedomWaffle's Nymris List: www.moxfield.com/decks/witKQsiw0E6jlNmFDqFl3Q Snake's Moxfield: www.moxfield.com/users/Snakeazkusa Want ...
Is Borne Upon a Wind the New Final Fortune!? | Mox Masters July Round 2 | CEDH Gameplay
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No, it's probably not, but it sure is good with Necropotence! Mox Masters July Round 2 where Tevesh Kraum wins on the end step with Borne Upon a Wind. No Commentary. Decklists Atraxa 1: www.moxfield.com/decks/qGxlGgZNzEm-UBubPcFt6w Tevesh Kraum: www.moxfield.com/decks/EyYVpvKJ1k2qwNWcVoewoQ Dargo Thrasios: www.moxfield.com/decks/NbC7buwS5EqgHtXglU7f_A Atraxa 2: www.moxfield.com/decks/7gEMbMp8I0...
Another Turn 2 Dargo Win! | Mox Masters July Round 4 | No Commentary | CEDH Gameplay
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Mox Masters July Round 4 game with Dargo Thrasios taking another T2 win. No Commentary. Join the Dargo and the Dargonauts discord: discord.gg/3QJa4PVFqE Decklists Rograkh Silas: www.moxfield.com/decks/Kogg070KfkCz_wZTrEK1Vw Winota: www.moxfield.com/decks/fUE6YVyy2kqj2xZTnl0zBg Dargo Thrasios: www.moxfield.com/decks/NbC7buwS5EqgHtXglU7f_A Heliod: www.moxfield.com/decks/ID62LSFcKkC1nl1HxkMhhg Wan...
Crazy 11 Turn Finals! | Mox Masters July Finals | No Commentary | CEDH Gameplay
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Mox Masters July Finals pod with Jey, FreedomWaffle, Snakeazkusa and PauperFanatic. No Commentary. Decklists Najeela: www.moxfield.com/decks/lrhWlT_oN0-kIu6zBs2qkg Dargo Thrasios: www.moxfield.com/decks/NbC7buwS5EqgHtXglU7f_A Nymris: www.moxfield.com/decks/wxILX0yb90yOgl5dp6pFvg Tayam: www.moxfield.com/decks/UsvybIhkWEW524NmbQ1G_Q Want to start tracking your games? Try out my Advanced CEDH Game...
Dargo Thrasios Turn 2 Win! | Mox Masters July Semifinals | No Commentary | CEDH Gameplay
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Mox Masters July Semifinals where Dargo Thrasios rips Greater Good turn 2 and storms off. No Commentary. Join the Dargo and the Dargonauts discord: discord.gg/3QJa4PVFqE Decklists Dihada: www.moxfield.com/decks/dr-oIrd2-kCkJuH4QRgOHA Dargo Thrasios: www.moxfield.com/decks/NbC7buwS5EqgHtXglU7f_A Dargo Tymna: www.moxfield.com/decks/1WgizIsO8UOEocTEcLpWEA Shalai and Hallar: www.moxfield.com/decks/...
Advanced CEDH Game Tracker Setup and Overview
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Advanced CEDH Game Tracker Setup and Overview
Mox Masters May 2023 | Semifinals Game | CEDH Gameplay
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Mox Masters May 2023 | Semifinals Game | CEDH Gameplay
Mox Masters May 2023 Finals | Winning Turn (No Commentary) | CEDH Gameplay
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Mox Masters May 2023 Finals | Winning Turn (No Commentary) | CEDH Gameplay

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @awesomezaka
    @awesomezaka Місяць тому

    best kinnan deck tech is to bully the fuck out of other players

  • @ZenofPainting
    @ZenofPainting 2 місяці тому

    This is cringe AF. People absolutely remember if you were a dog s*** opponent or not, lying to gain an advantage proves that even cEDH requires politics. Whether you like it or not, the multiplayer aspect of this format is exactly why it will never be a true test of your individual strategy like in 60 card formats. In Wargaming we will throw your ass out the door if you're a whiny try hard. We don't reward that type of behavior.

  • @GoldSabertooth
    @GoldSabertooth 3 місяці тому

    Dev da GOAT

  • @SeanforNarnia17
    @SeanforNarnia17 4 місяці тому

    This is glorious... As a data engineer by trade this makes me so happy!

  • @MemeLordVictor
    @MemeLordVictor 5 місяців тому

    USING THIS thank you kindly docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XJ4YMH9qpYWXWsbe5KXWCAz-aB0A0LKughcLWdw7CMI/edit?usp=sharing

  • @rafaelpieslak2120
    @rafaelpieslak2120 7 місяців тому

    I always remember Bronn words in GOT

    • @rafaelpieslak2120
      @rafaelpieslak2120 7 місяців тому

      About the "not lying coz of future games", there will be always a need for someone to negotiate with the devil. But ofc this isn't something to do everytime.

  • @__-nd5qi
    @__-nd5qi 7 місяців тому

    dude he got away with such blatant cheating that honestly it was just sad, if at least it was well hidden you could say darn that man is a magician the judges simply didnt catch him

  • @floridaman6982
    @floridaman6982 7 місяців тому

    Wow! The Emiel list looks super fun to play. Really love the way you show the deck list real quick and keep the discussion moving :)

  • @Punchy12
    @Punchy12 7 місяців тому

    Whoever that punchy guy must be super cool to have convinced you to play dargo thras, feel free to venmo them part of the mox masters winnings 👀

  • @dwightpatch4441
    @dwightpatch4441 7 місяців тому

    The traveling comment i 100% agree with. It is sketchy traveling with cardboard worth a new car.

  • @FenoDreams
    @FenoDreams 7 місяців тому

    Great Stuff!

  • @hatebears
    @hatebears 7 місяців тому

    Great epsiode with some German coverage! It was so cool to meet you at BallonCon2

  • @TheLacer8er
    @TheLacer8er 7 місяців тому

    My Dawg! Great Episode!

  • @edvinnordkvist9179
    @edvinnordkvist9179 7 місяців тому

    WAFFLE!!! I need to see you play your MARNEUS CALGAR deck! I honestly think your are are gonna CRUSH SO HARD on that deck! Let’s get it in! Love the Todays Pod! ❤🥳

  • @DeWillpower
    @DeWillpower 7 місяців тому

    hi :3 i clicked this video because rebell son is in the title the cheating is very bad, the discourse of "i can go there and cheat and nobody will do something about it" is correct, especially when in the official pro tour tournaments and qualifiers everything is so strict that some pro players abuse it in their favour i knew about cEDH players doing politics like in casual commander, but lying in a tournament?...well, the community is so little, even if global, so i think now everyone will never do politics with "shadezvenomz" (or give him trust in general)

  • @diojoubu7320
    @diojoubu7320 7 місяців тому

    *Bird man hand rubbing gif*

  • @ishai-gf6dd
    @ishai-gf6dd 7 місяців тому

    I want to say someting about lying in cedh. At first i want to talk about the strategic side of lying and than about the moraly side. So, like freedom said: lying is short term and truth is long term so if youre looking forward to grind tournaments( like hes doing) people will trust you, also there are more people who are telling the truth than people who are lying( for example rebell freedom and memo are all agreeing that their telling the truth), that means that if youre lying and youre thinking youre opponents are lying you proof youre intuitions wrong because you practice that evrything is wrong what people are telling around you and also everything youre saying is wrong and now you cant trust anyone including yourself( same in real life). Now to the moraly side of lying: I compare lying in cedh with cheating because at both sides you create an unfair situation where nothing makes sense anymore because its just not true what has happend. If you made it to the end of this text than........love the podcast:)

  • @davidiggles7142
    @davidiggles7142 7 місяців тому

    I am the biggest Memo fan

  • @kenlikescarbs
    @kenlikescarbs 7 місяців тому

    Great show, y'all! I love how structured and chill this is. 🙏🏼

  • @kevinsimmons5343
    @kevinsimmons5343 7 місяців тому

    Great episode! For freedomwaffle - if you have pact of negation, do you use it in your turn 1 naus example? You’ve already seen 3 pieces of free fast mana which is nearly half of the 0CMC ramp in the deck and you leave yourself in a tougher spot since final fortune or accumulating a turn 2 kill from the naus has a pact trigger more than likely. (I’d probably still do it cause borne and such but curious on your thoughts!)

    • @freedomwaffle_
      @freedomwaffle_ 7 місяців тому

      Great question, that's a hard one TBH. Probably yes since I don't need much more to survive the pact and it will put me so far ahead if I can survive. If I used more rituals for the Naus I think I don't!

  • @GoldSabertooth
    @GoldSabertooth 7 місяців тому

    Be kind and good. Tyler from PtW, Ken B, Higher, all exceedingly kind and amazing players

  • @LateTeens709
    @LateTeens709 7 місяців тому

    Something something love and war

  • @koreyg8552
    @koreyg8552 7 місяців тому

    If you lie , you’re a scumbag period. You didn’t win because you’re good,you won because you lied. Lying should not be condoned. If you need to deceive people to win what’s that really say about that person and their actual skill level

    • @TeaLobster
      @TeaLobster 7 місяців тому

      Then what good is Frankie Peanuts? Skill issue.

  • @toctheyounger
    @toctheyounger 7 місяців тому

    Great stuff. As a counter take to Rebells lying points, it's hard to disagree with pkaying to the best of your abilities, but if lying is the best of your abilities that speaks volumes of its own. I get shes not advocating for straight up lying, i just think lying is not the best of anyone's abilities, especially not in the long run. You lose any political clout you might be able to garner, absolutely not worth it.

    • @089Memo90
      @089Memo90 7 місяців тому

      I agree that this should give you a certain reputation. We will have to wait and see if it actually turns out to be that way and if people really remember who lied in tournaments.

    • @toctheyounger
      @toctheyounger 7 місяців тому

      Yeah. I think it'll take some time for that reputation to wear off, but it could. I just think, while it's acceptable in terms of legality, I can't imagine a scenario where it's the best thing you could be doing with the tools available to you.

    • @floridaman6982
      @floridaman6982 7 місяців тому

      I still feel like asking a player if they are winning in general is so stupid it doesn’t even warrant a real answer. what will I say? “yes I am winning use your interaction on my silence effect” how would yall answer bc it gets asked ALL the time?

    • @toctheyounger
      @toctheyounger 7 місяців тому

      @@floridaman6982 yeah it is a dumb question. That said, not sure if you've seen the footage, guy like spends turns spouting off about how he's got nothing. So yeah, prob a dumb question, unless you're asking like 'ok cut the BS, you winning or not?' but also from the other side clearly the guys communication was pretty disingenuous. I mean it worked for him this game, gonna be diminishing returns from here on in though. And I stand by my point, it's not the best moves he would've had available.

  • @sPontus
    @sPontus 7 місяців тому

    You're welcome for the top table id'ing memo 😉😂

  • @HughJayniss69
    @HughJayniss69 7 місяців тому

    I still have not heard anyone talk about the more important talking point on lying. Saying that someone shouldn't go back on a promise is pretty obvious. The real meat and potatoes of this discussion comes from this, what do you say when someone asks you something along the lines of "do you have any interaction" if you answer with "im not saying" they can gather info by the way you say it. That's why when asked this you just straight up lie. It's just like countering someone's talk game in poker. If someone asked you if you had aces you don't give them free info, you lie/bluff/act so you don't let your opponent soul read you

    • @089Memo90
      @089Memo90 7 місяців тому

      It’s definitely very nuanced. you are 100% right, whatever info you reveal can be to your disadvantage. However there are also benefits in being somewhat transparent to some of your opponents because they might be temporarily your allies.

    • @halbarad69
      @halbarad69 7 місяців тому

      I think it depends on context too for how much you give away. If there's something on the stack and people want to interact then I'll often say "I can't interact here" or similar vague words that say I've probably got interaction but not what. It could be fluster and they've got too much mana for it to do anything or it could be swat/MBT and not do anything yet, or it could be nothing and I'm just bluffing to make others use interaction. It can definitely be close to lying depending on when and how the question is asked and how you respond.

  • @morganbrewer4029
    @morganbrewer4029 7 місяців тому

    Keep up the great work gents! Cool to see Rebell featured too 🤙

    • @freedomwaffle_
      @freedomwaffle_ 7 місяців тому

      Thanks a ton! Rebell is the best :)

  • @KarenGreen-i8s
    @KarenGreen-i8s 7 місяців тому

    🐐

  • @CoreAstro
    @CoreAstro 7 місяців тому

    🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @HealthBean-r6m
    @HealthBean-r6m 7 місяців тому

    Best!

  • @youk-qb7mj
    @youk-qb7mj 7 місяців тому

    ❤ it!

  • @MTG_Basics
    @MTG_Basics 7 місяців тому

    Finally! Another great episode is out!!

    • @089Memo90
      @089Memo90 7 місяців тому

      Appreciate the kind words 🙏🏻

  • @JoshRomero
    @JoshRomero 7 місяців тому

    Babe wake up a new waffle just dropped

  • @RebellSon
    @RebellSon 7 місяців тому

    that guest is sus and washed idk

  • @tylerhennessy2701
    @tylerhennessy2701 7 місяців тому

    Great episode really enjoy the part going through your hands and draws. Thanks for another one gentlemen.

    • @089Memo90
      @089Memo90 7 місяців тому

      Thanks for listening and the support ❤

  • @Droopymccool2323
    @Droopymccool2323 7 місяців тому

    Doing the lords work!

  • @Medicinalmagic911
    @Medicinalmagic911 7 місяців тому

    Good stuff! 🎉 also great guest appearance ❤

    • @089Memo90
      @089Memo90 7 місяців тому

      Thanks for the compliments 🙏🏻

  • @shoeboo-d9p
    @shoeboo-d9p 7 місяців тому

    ❤‍🔥

  • @crossr1984
    @crossr1984 7 місяців тому

    Rebellllllll❤❤❤

  • @aidansherwin3872
    @aidansherwin3872 7 місяців тому

    goated content

  • @johnweinhandl8890
    @johnweinhandl8890 7 місяців тому

    Wow an hour long episode, what a treat, thanks !!!

  • @Adatari_MTG
    @Adatari_MTG 7 місяців тому

    Punchy

  • @erikmuench8023
    @erikmuench8023 7 місяців тому

    29:35 “…and just went to combat.” Is anyone able to explain to me what happened next, which resulted in a win?

  • @ConquerorsGenjutsu
    @ConquerorsGenjutsu 8 місяців тому

    rhystic and mystic be banned? SOFT

  • @ConquerorsGenjutsu
    @ConquerorsGenjutsu 8 місяців тому

    i would do the sol ring on a kinnan as well... kinnan is a deck children can win with and mana is gold.

  • @cedhtv
    @cedhtv 8 місяців тому

    Hhahaha. When najeela came I did play najeela stax. Loved it back then.

  • @cedhtv
    @cedhtv 8 місяців тому

    NICE!

  • @GoldSabertooth
    @GoldSabertooth 8 місяців тому

    Love it. Nice work.