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How Warframe's Deception Ruins the Fun (in-game demonstration)
I think now I almost HAVE to make "severely delusional about monetization" shirts
Dark Patterns Explained: www.deceptive.design/
Interactive walkthrough of Amazon's deceptive patterns: www.coglode.com/cure/cancelling-amazon-prime
That time the US government sued Fortnite for baiting people into unintentional purchases: www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/12/fortnite-video-game-maker-epic-games-pay-more-half-billion-dollars-over-ftc-allegations
Why I'm never touching Adobe software ever again: www.nytimes.com/2024/06/17/technology/us-adobe-subscription-lawsuit.html
The rise of dark patterns: www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/09/ftc-report-shows-rise-sophisticated-dark-patterns-designed-trick-trap-consumers
Dark Patterns GDC talk: ua-cam.com/video/BYzwoqezAjU/v-deo.html&pp=ygURZGFyayBwYXR0ZXJucyBnZGM%3D
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
02:55 - A detailed explanation of Dark Patterns
13:50 - Warframe's Dark Patterns Caught in 4k
18:50 - It's Policy to Not Refund Users
22:36 - Why Businesses NEED to fix problems like this
27:20 - Why More Info Needs to be IN-GAME
30:26 - Testing the Behavior Flow of Warframe's Dark Pattern
39:05 - Let's Say Another Company Was Treating People Like This
43:07 - You SHOULDN'T NEED to Obfuscate Like This
45:30 - Digital Extremes You Are Better Than This
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Відео

How Warframe’s P2W Mechanics Ruin My Fun
Переглядів 11 тис.5 місяців тому
Warframe is an incredible game, but it's not perfect, and the systems in place to motivate players to spend platinum are part of the reason why. Pay to Win isn't black and white. It's a gradient. And Warframe is far from the worst offender but that doesn't mean its systems don't get in the way of the fun. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 00:24 - I Love Warframe But... 01:28 - The TLDR Behind the P2W 04:...
3 Indie Games That Defined Roguelikes For 2023 (for me)
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I've been waiting for each of these games to leave early access for years. I've spent way too much time refreshing Steam pages for updates haha, but I'm so happy to say that now that they're all in 1.0 they're definitely must try's for roguelike fans. With literally too many roguelikes to play them all it’s clearer than ever that indie games are the kings of the genre and three of the best in t...
How Jusant Finally Makes Climbing Exciting
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There are few things that can make me immediately lose all interest in a game and a focus on climbing is absolutely one of them. In fact, I almost didn't grab Jusant. I saw the traversal and stamina bar and almost wrote the entire game off out of hand because "ew climbing". But the art direction and soundtrack sold me. Whether it's the climbing gameplay, the world building, or its presentation,...
Don’t Sleep on This GOTY Contender: Star Ocean the Second Story R
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I can’t believe this is the second Star Ocean game we’ve received in as many years and by all accounts it seems Gemdrops knocked their remake out of the park. Star Ocean the Second Story R has so many quality of life and general gameplay improvements that it almost feels like an entirely new game. In a year full of incredible games, almost certainly one of the best years we've seen, Star Ocean ...
How One Man Made the JRPG Masterpiece of His Dreams (Astlibra Revision)
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Astlibra Revision is dropping on Switch next month and you don’t want to sleep on one of the best JRPGs I’ve played in years. While it’s definitely not going to be for everyone, I’d argue there is absolutely something here for a lot of gamers. While the core mechanics can be found in a ton of other action games, it’s hard to think of another that uses so many systems so cohesively. It’s a JRPG ...
Cyberpunk 2077 is Broken but Brilliant
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Whenever it isn't falling apart, Cyberpunk 2077 is some of the most fun I've had in a first-person RPG in years. The problem is...it's a bit of a mess and it's a mess that got worse after I bought/installed the DLC and now I can't help but wonder if this was yet another bait and switch from CD Projekt. Just one that affected significantly fewer people. Songs: S4 League - Dualrock No Time to Arg...
"Isn't Armored Core 6 Just Dark Souls With Mechs?"
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I've been waiting for an excuse to edit 9:38 for almost a decade. Go follow these incredible musicians they all deserve infinitely more love: Genesis Keys -www.youtube.com/@GenesisKeys Recall: ua-cam.com/video/ATkSwL4b0Pk/v-deo.html New World Hybrid: ua-cam.com/video/1Pyi3 k6cY/v-deo.html CthuluSeeker - ua-cam.com/users/CthulhuSeeker Contact With You: ua-cam.com/video/iIL9XAHV9Oc/v-deo.html Kot...
Is Wayfinder Early Access Worth Your Time? (Launch Impressions)
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Now that Wayfinder’s servers have been upgraded and players aren’t stuck in queue, it might be a good time to consider giving Wayfinder a shot. There’s a lot to love and if the developers play their cards right we could have something truly special here. That being said, it certainly won’t be for everyone. Chapters 00:00 - Intro 01:00 - Wayfinder's combat is fun but... 02:36 - Movement is incre...

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  • @someguy3330
    @someguy3330 9 днів тому

    Copium

  • @alessandroiamundo1039
    @alessandroiamundo1039 16 днів тому

    bro could u please enlight us by knowing what came to your mind before making this video?

  • @GermoDante
    @GermoDante 18 днів тому

    Astlibra looks amazing, the backdrops, the creatures, I question the taste of anyone that dislikes the art in this game.

  • @TheBigKaiju
    @TheBigKaiju 18 днів тому

    I found this randomly. He is a freaking genius. A renaissance man for real for real

  • @Powerghost1.0
    @Powerghost1.0 20 днів тому

    I found Astlibra through this video in late 2023 and since then i played through the whole game twice with 100% completion on both playthroughs. 150 hours total and it never got boring or frustrating. Its my second favorite game of all time (Xenoblade Chronicles X on Place 1). Now i am waiting for the DLC Release on Nintendo Switch. Thanks for making this Video and letting more people know about this amazing game.

  • @dudeguy07
    @dudeguy07 23 дні тому

    >0:11 Black guy in a medical mask Video seems interesting, but I'm now not going to watch it

  • @AquatexZ
    @AquatexZ 25 днів тому

    if only they didnt ban people from being too good at lasting long periods of time in survival, then Warframe would mostly be just the perfect game (minus the fact that I am in the weird inbetween stage of Rivens and arcane farming and not having enough slots or potatoes and like.. trying to get SP started and feeling a bit lost.

  • @bargainbincatgirl6698
    @bargainbincatgirl6698 Місяць тому

    I'm a 2k hours veteran that enjoys the game mostly for collecting weapons and warframes and I agree with you. What you mentioned in 3:15 happens a lot to me, inventory space is my most purchased item and I usually traded for plat just when I had 1 missing prime part that couldn't farm. I hate Baro's store because the times that I have been most bored in warframe has been when I farm prime parts to trade for him for those weapons/mods that he only sells. Is just now, after several years, that I have all the weapons and mods from Baro. Because Volt Prime was in Baro's store, I never use it for years because its relics never were available when I was playing. Me not actively participating on the trade with platinum make my experience worse, I think you mentioned that later on the video. Right now, I returned to warframe because the Jade shadows event allowed me to purchase all the arcanes that I never had the time or platinum to get them. I just decided to acquire my potatoes, rivens and more prime parts with plat to avoid burn out, but I still don't enjoy paying for forma or arcane adapters and for that I need to farm forma blueprints, steel essence, vitus essence. There are literally dozens of warframes, companions and weapons that I can't use because I don't have enough resources to make them viable even if I put a potato on them, and I still need to farm to complete a lot of "island" content like Railjack intrinsics, or max rank in one of my mechs.

  • @D0N0H0
    @D0N0H0 Місяць тому

    It's been a year. Are you still playing?

  • @D0N0H0
    @D0N0H0 Місяць тому

    This video popped up in my recommendations today (Aug 2024). I bought and started playing Astlibra Revision (Jun 2024) based on a 2 hour video Kougaon made. I still haven't finished that video because (despite 50+ hours) I (happily) haven't finished the game. I wish I'd seen this video when it came out. 13:31 I rage finished FFXVI. I've had no issue with the various forms the franchise has taken over the years. Not all of them have been for me, but I respected the experimentation. That said, a sloppy, poorly written/executed story has never been acceptable. [Further rants about the MANY infuriating bits have been removed.]

  • @d.j.b5901
    @d.j.b5901 Місяць тому

    As a completely free to play player. I agree partially. But, i also have collected and grinded everything and i recently did some math with my brother. We both individually have collected and spent over 20k plat. We got all the cosmetics we want all the frames we want, all the weapons we want and can reach level cap with a few of our builds. It takes time but its not too difficult to do it without spending. It is pay2win. But you can grind for the premium currency pretty easily if you need to.

  • @coreybreiland7586
    @coreybreiland7586 Місяць тому

    3rd dlc comes out in September! Stoked!

  • @scarfbit7354
    @scarfbit7354 Місяць тому

    The difference is, it's not a live service.

  • @robertfriel5077
    @robertfriel5077 2 місяці тому

    Guides are not virtually nonexistent. Jp wiki, easily found on steam pages for the game is excruciatingly detailed.

  • @Maioly
    @Maioly 2 місяці тому

    I may be the one person who actually thinks the graphics are beautiful in this game

  • @Ogga_Bogga55
    @Ogga_Bogga55 2 місяці тому

    The only problem i have in warframe is the potatos for all the weapons you need cuz its just painful to get yeah you can do sorties but lets be honest trying to get the catalyst and reactor blueprints and like 6 other things that are added to the loot options is just stupid. in my opinion orokin catalysts and reactors should be more easy to get like how forma is gotten trough relics even if you dont want to not make it that easy at least make it so you can get the blueprints for both of them through a much easier but still challenging way cuz at least it would make it easy on choosing a weapon and experimenting with weapons you want without having to worry if you are gonna use this weapon for a long time or not. yeah besides that i dont really have much issues of warframe besides that cuz it just feels really tiring to be stuck using the same weapon for a long time and having like 8 weapons you wanna try to use but you cant really use them without having like 4 at best

  • @timgrant9512
    @timgrant9512 2 місяці тому

    Man this is why i love remnant they look at their dlc's like "how can we make this worth 10$ we got a story, 35+ pieces of gear, and we added a new class, what can we do?" "Umm how about we let them play with their friends and they just don't get the gear and class?" 😂

  • @williamantonio9743
    @williamantonio9743 2 місяці тому

    this game is a certified Kamige

  • @GeekyDolphin46
    @GeekyDolphin46 2 місяці тому

    In the event that this video doesn't encourage people to buy the game months down the line idk what will. I came from delusional Titanfall hallucinations to playing armored core. It scratches that itch. But game so that we can get next game or game dlc >:[ do it now

  • @MrEffectfilms
    @MrEffectfilms 2 місяці тому

    Pay to win WHAT?! We aren't playing against other people, just alongside them. It's literally not possible for this game to be pay to win. The problem Warframe has is that it doesn't do a good job showing you that you don't have to pay anything if you don't want to. But that doesn't change the fact that you don't have to pay anything, and if you are having bad drop rates on certain missions there's always trading. Warframe is NOT pay to win.

  • @wavyhomeboy
    @wavyhomeboy 2 місяці тому

    imo only resource booster is pay to win, BUT you can grind plat and buy them

  • @MrLisso98
    @MrLisso98 2 місяці тому

    I agree with some of your points but then I see that lately since a year or so, Warframe devs has been trying to remove a lot of those things, they are even thinking in reducing the time crafting takes. I think your demostration of exilus tuff, is like, vey lmao. There are worse examples

  • @Clemeeeee
    @Clemeeeee 3 місяці тому

    Brb going to do my homework 🫡 loved this video. Really made me want to play the game.

  • @dumpling321
    @dumpling321 3 місяці тому

    Not a raven, he's a crow... er wait... his names karon!

  • @Ouraboros
    @Ouraboros 3 місяці тому

    Let me get this straight, (I’ve watched only 4 seconds of your video and I paused it.) I’m guessing you’re going to talk about trading and that’s it. Because Rep, Focus, progression, (other than MR) all is in Free to Play territory. Frames and Weapons are not. You could have the most busted meta frame out there. Your operator is still shit regardless. The one thing you’re forgetting it’s that you can trade item-item. It doesn’t have to be plat. To be pay to win, micro transactions must be a core mechanic or play a majority part in said mechanic. DE could take out Plat tomorrow, WF wouldn’t change. So objectively, you’re wrong. If you’re confused why, read what I typed again. Your personal experience, doesn’t mean jack shit, when what you’re complaining about is subjective. So I don’t what game you play daily, but go back to it.

    • @sunohonmy4024
      @sunohonmy4024 2 місяці тому

      so have you watched the rest of the video? what are your thoughts?

    • @Ouraboros
      @Ouraboros 2 місяці тому

      @@sunohonmy4024 I still hold everything I said to the objective standard. He’s wrong in every sense of the word.

  • @BitMurphy
    @BitMurphy 3 місяці тому

    you just sold me a game, cheers!

  • @jordin5246
    @jordin5246 3 місяці тому

    nice analysis. it's important to not give any company an immediate benefit of the doubt for literally anything, because they have a direct incentive to exploit the customer. i wish fans of anything could acknowledge literally harmless feedback without resorting to personal attacks. it's far less stressful to simply acknowledge (preventable) issues with things you like, even if you're personally unbothered. some people should understand that dark patterns aren't meant to be visible, and that they aren't always the target of every predatory practice. lmao

  • @Syly56
    @Syly56 3 місяці тому

    Great video i see now what are the problems you're being troubled are. But i think the fault of these dark pattern are just the lack of information and big mess Warframe itself is and DE management of this issue overtime i would love for a detailed guide over most parts of the game. Like with the weapon adapters they would have a message saying: Hey you dont own this item you can get it in here by doing this or that but if you want this immediately you have the option to buy platinum, in the other part i kinda disagree where you said you were a returning player and didn't know where to get the adapter for free when there is just a Q&A and region chat where you ask for most of the things and people respond about it. I think the fault here would be 50/50 because DE doesn't give enough clearance about the acquisition of items in a free way and by using the pop ups in a malicious way and the player which got no information or didn't look accepts those terms without thinking but this is becoming a massive yapp session so thats my take.

  • @Radscorp
    @Radscorp 3 місяці тому

    Dude your points are largely mute, you play genshin and havent held them to any of the same standards so far despite them being a million times worse with their dogshit gambling incentivised pay for a chance to win model. Dont ruin an entire video because of hypocrisy, when people see you critiquing 1 thing for something then ignoring something you like suffering the same issue but worse, makes you seem entierly untrustworthy. Sorry dude but everything you brought up is an issue that genshin has in spades, theres a reason that noone who plays it religiously sees it for what it is. A waste of fucking time that draws you in with anime titties and slot machines, its a predatory piece of shit game so call it out if your calling out other games doing what it does.

  • @Forsakenruler
    @Forsakenruler 3 місяці тому

    I have 500 hours in the game and the only time i accidentally bought something I wasn’t going to buy anyway was like twice

  • @hyoryo
    @hyoryo 3 місяці тому

    hmmm... i did never recognize those as dark patterns. i always thought of those things as dumb design decisions. but you are right, wether this was intentional or not, those dark patterns are harmful to players and the game.

  • @justforweb1702
    @justforweb1702 3 місяці тому

    As a new player ( mr 11 in like 3 weeks ) he is completely right especially about not knowing you can get arcane adapters without paying for them with plat its crazy theres no info on so much stuff its very confusing to get into even though its the best thing ive ever played and its honesty disheartening seeing everyone just keeps saying its okay and somehow not predatory

  • @Tom-fl8eh
    @Tom-fl8eh 3 місяці тому

    The crux of whether Warframe is p2w or not is if you consider paying to advance faster p2w or not. Warframe is riddled with pay for convenience content.

  • @Th4ata
    @Th4ata 3 місяці тому

    Alright, watched the whole video and theres some stuff i have to say or type rather. Whether or not you give a damn about this comment idc. I just want it out there so i can lessen the need for me to think about all this because i have wasted enough of my life from these TLDR: i have thoughts on this video, i like the passion, we should bring this matter to light more often and all this is coming from someone who is nothing but simply passionate about games. For you "Why its fun" please continue to do what you do and I hope DE will dish out changes that will make you and everyone enjoy the game without feeling like were nothing but wallets for the taking Its not my intention to repeat the points in the video, i just wish to share my perspective/opinions 1. First and foremost, bravo. I fukin love your energy, and i can clearly see how passionate you are about all of this. That same passion thats fueling your frustration of the game's and its Devs "mistakes". Lets be honest here, nobody would have ever pointed stuff like that without the same passion and love you have for the game as well as your experience in this space or field. 2. I would also like to believe that DE would fix this. That said, we as a community should work together with DE, in making sure things like this don't get out of hand. As much as I hate and wish that things shouldn't have been a problem in the first place, if the problems aren't brought out to light and reinforced, the problems will just grow and eventually burst in a very tragic way, and when it does, it'll definitely leave scars that isn't healthy for the game at all. The Devs have been shown to listen to the community at times and genuinely want to make the game better for its users, so we shouldn't take this for granted and fully communicate with them as well. Whether they do anything or not is still up to DE themselves 3. All of this, is not coming from an experienced programmer or someone from the field of business or marketing. I am not a master nor a skilled player at fps or other genres nor am I a big shot of gaming. No, I am simply a person who has a lot of free time and plays a lot of games and has a lot of passion regarding them. Constantly interested in both the game and its creators not limited to just warframe but whole plethora of genres and communities and genuinely wanting games to just have no problems if possible. I am and have been only keeping one or 2 games to grind and others to simply comeback to every now and then(typical). Which has led me to move from one game to the next not because i was bored of it, but that I had enough of supporting a game that clearly doesn't give a damn about its players. Recently i opt out of MOBA games, i know, they arent the best when it comes to delivering a point about ethical marketing but League or LoL I had praised for having fair prices coming from a game that has checked of every dark pattern in the list before, even more so in their card game version LoR which was a game you can get everything it offered for free(except for cosmetics of course) which blew my mind, to now the predatory moves like the 500$ skin that was also FOMO disguised in an event that was supposed to be congratulating the literal face of the game's esport and whats worse is that i could go on about shit like this. Now, I've fairly recently started playing warframe, and guess what? I had also nearly fallen into the exact predicament in the video with the only saving grace was that i didn't had enough plat at the time. Sure, we can be blamed for not being vigilant, not looking at the wiki or being too impatient but why was there nothing to negate that mistake nor fix it once the transaction has gone through. If you've read this far then i can fairly assume you care about this just as much as I do, and its not that we hate game, but rather our love for the game that frustrates when little things like this that could have been avoided happens and has been for a very long time. 5. Conclusion, lets keep the game fun, for us and DE.

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      First of all, I wanna say thank you. You're a legend. And please if you ever feel motivated to leave a comment like this on someone’s channel or their work in any form please do so. I don’t know if every creator will appreciate it for what it is and I certainly can’t promise what their reaction might be, but I promise you any creator worth anything will treasure everything you have to say. And I do sincerely want to apologize it took me so long to respond I almost didn’t know how to. This kind of response is everything I want from making videos but I’ll be real an hour long video like this took a lot and I’ve been touching a lot of grass the past few days so I just haven’t really been online. I’ll fully admit I’ve absolutely done the same thing you have though. I shout into the void knowing no one may respond all the time. It’s good to type something and just get it out there in detail even if no one responds. At least in my experience it’s cathartic (it’s why I’m kinda still a forum guy instead of leaning into Discord) that being said: 1, Thank you again. I can’t speak for any other creative in any other field but I gotta imagine hearing someone describe how they can clearly feel your passion through the screen is what we’re all hoping our work can achieve. Every video I make is some attempt at communicating in that way and I see becoming a true artist as working harder to achieve that every day imo. I firmly believe there are dozens if not hundreds if not thousands of developers who could explain this all better than me (certainly that are better at the craft that me) it means a lot every time I make something that clicks for somebody. I’m absolutely going to keep making videos like this. Honestly, probably for the rest of my life. I just love making content so much it’s kinda everything to me and game developers are my astronauts. My favorite games are the ones where you can kinda just hear the dev team screaming their lungs out at you. I think gaming may be one of the most powerful artistic medium in the world because every masterpiece requires people to come together from every discipline under the sun and just cook together. 2. I couldn’t agree more. I love how much DE listens and how comfortable they can be with owning mistakes and working their asses off to fix them. If I went down a list of my heroes. The people who inspire me to work hard every day and be better that list includes so many people from Digital Extremes. I’ve learned so much from watching Steve’s coding streams. Rebecca is a genius her decision to have the company start streaming is one of the most underrated moves in the entire world. PABLO IS A KING. WHAT A LEGEND I JUST WANT TO SHAKE HIS HAND, SAY THANK YOU, AND ASK “HOW DO YOU DO IT” They’re gonna fix it. If anybody will, it’s Digital Extremes. I actually have a DE story. Years ago I was running a website and one of my writers was just like “so I got an email from DE” and I’m paraphrasing but basically all they wanted was to say “hey we like your work does anybody on your team play Warframe? We would like to just send you all a bunch of free platinum.” It wasn’t a sponsorship, they didn’t ask for anything, we didn’t even cover Warframe. They just said “send us a list of account names and we got you”. I felt so proud in that moment. I was all like “those are my heroes right there” just casually being so nice and asking for literally nothing in return. 3. Runeterra is one of my favorite TCGS in the whole world. That’s the game I was thinking about in the last video when I said “we all know what happens to a good game that doesn’t make enough money” the team at Riot just cooked really hard making Runeterra and I’m so happy the State of the Game announcement wasn’t an announcement that the game won’t be playable anymore. Shifting focus to PVE feels so smart I really hope it’s working out for them. 4. I don’t know what happened to your 4 I like to think that’s an easter egg you left for me to notice lmao. 5. Conclusion: preach brother let’s keep the game fun for everyone.

  • @ZeroKitsunei
    @ZeroKitsunei 3 місяці тому

    I understand what you're saying, as a new player it would be weird. Could definitely lead one to believe that you had to buy it. That said, as an old head, it's exactly how I want it. I personally know that I can grind for stuff. I know if I have something or not. If I click on something it's cause I want to spend the ungodly amount of plat i've got.(That I have from selling prime parts on the market, btw) So I don't have to grind it out. DE has always been trying to get the new UE up to snuff. Unfortunately, I feel like making it known where to acquire items for free takes a back seat to needing to read the wiki to figure out how to actually play.

  • @QuillStroke
    @QuillStroke 3 місяці тому

    I'm 13 minutes in and have heard a lot of whinging and no explanation as to how Ninjas "pay" free. Looking at the comments dude was too lazy to check the wiki on how to find shit so he made an hour long video full of word salad.

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      You have no idea how funny it is to me that you claim to have watched 13 minutes of the video and this is your takeaway 😂 and not only that, THEN, you actually took the time to sit down and write this comment I'm ded

  • @karrenliuk
    @karrenliuk 3 місяці тому

    It's an interesting video as I never really paid attention to it. I have been playing Warframe since it came out and I have maybe spent platinum by accident up 3 times, which given the decade warframe has been going for, I'd say is really good numbers. I see your point in why you focus on UI in the modding screen not having it added to your inventory instead of being used, however, it got me thinking of the times I did accidentally spend platinum on purchases and in those cases, it has always been these cheap ~20 plat purchases which is basically 1 trade away from you getting back in Warframe. Unless I fail to notice it, Warframe only faces this issue in regard to adapters since they are applied on purchase in the modding screen so something so particular is only an issue for the newest of players, and even then, rarely will you find someone making the mistake and not being to work right past it due to the ethos of trading allowing you to make it back at any point. The discussion then seems to revolve around the point of how much value you assign to that 20 platinum as the majority of players get it for free and even if you were to buy it, the value buying platinum from DE with the constant discounts comes down to these numbers: 75 platinum bundle, worth 4.49 is discounted to 1.13 euro. Purchasing that bundle values 1 platinum at ~0.015 cents. So at 20 platinum, a mistake costs you 30 cents worth of value, getting even cheaper if we value it by bigger packs. I'm all for transparency so I would not assign to malice something that at worst can cost you 1 dollar or euro in a lifetime

  • @mtscsealer1973
    @mtscsealer1973 3 місяці тому

    as for the whole you double tap and its done this did happened to me but not with warframe but with wuwa ofcourse its not the case with stamina but its with the summon currency instead of doing the limited summon orbs I did the standard one twice now wasted 6 summons on standard characters I didn't even want to summon, so if anything this problem exist around every game even if we want to deny it if arcane adapters is the only problem just remember that it also exist in other games and not only in warframe

  • @TheAEsKing117proGamer
    @TheAEsKing117proGamer 3 місяці тому

    I make plat faster than steel essence

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      OH MY GOD YOU MAKE PLAT FASTER THAN STEEL!!?!?!?!! You must have so many e-girls just lining up around the block

    • @TheAEsKing117proGamer
      @TheAEsKing117proGamer 3 місяці тому

      @@whyitsfun no i do not I'm just saying that steel path is harder than just cracking open relics

  • @TheAEsKing117proGamer
    @TheAEsKing117proGamer 3 місяці тому

    Am I he only person that thinks that all of this is just very convenient for me and there is no problem here

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      No, but a lot of people don't understand how businesses are potentially taking advantage of them unfortunately.

  • @TheAEsKing117proGamer
    @TheAEsKing117proGamer 3 місяці тому

    In my 5 years of playing warframe I have never unintentionally payed plat

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      do you want me to go to the store, buy postage, then print out, sign, and finally mail you a picture of a medal?

    • @alvaromafiol7050
      @alvaromafiol7050 3 місяці тому

      @@whyitsfun but then you have to wait 3 days and a half to finish the print (275 plat to boost?)

  • @lordmakino9514
    @lordmakino9514 3 місяці тому

    🗿 i better be seeing like 20 more vids since this felt like it was being put in the sams category as diablo immortal and its not even that bad if they add like 1 more comfirm button and its still "dark pattern" then its not on them anymore its just that guy being so impulsively that he doesnt deserves to be on a game with even a battle pass ngl

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      There won't be 20 more vids but there will be many more pages on the site. My goal is to cover every single game I can.

  • @espinita.
    @espinita. 3 місяці тому

    Another video like this Every year theres Another video like this You're not the majority

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      Unironically, can you link me these other videos because I would love to watch them. I'm a programmer and I understand what Warframe is and how it's potentially taking advantage of people. I know I'm not the majority lol

  • @wesmestr10398
    @wesmestr10398 3 місяці тому

    As a WF Vet resident FashionFramer and self-aware whale I must say that this and your previous video are quickly becoming some of my favorite WF content. I love the game and i can say with out a doubt that the game has the best player economy i have seen but there has always bin some underling distaste for the monetization that i personally could never articulate that both videos combined perfectly express. thank you, your passion and perspective are refreshing and i fill much needed in the community.

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      I really really appreciate you fellow Tenno. Thanks for taking the time to watch

  • @Ayrum
    @Ayrum 3 місяці тому

    Warframe is one of the best F2P games still. Also yet you have committed a deadly sin: you said that Honkai Star Rail (HSR) is better in terms of ways to spend money. WRONG. HSR has one of the worst monetization systems speaking in terms of value/money relation. In HSR you CAN NOT obtain characters (that are specifically made stronger every time they come out) by just grinding. Also in HSR pricing is ridiculously high, better spend the same money for adult* animations with the same characters, you'll get significantly more value out of it.

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      Where did I say HSR is a better place to spend money? Did I not say that game was predatory as well? AFAIK I said HSR has better UI design that doesn't allow users to fall into the same design issues WF has. I said the gambling is not the root of the issue with gacha games but that's not to say the gamba isn't a problem I think gambling in any game is gross from CSGO to HSR.

  • @zimarranger2300
    @zimarranger2300 3 місяці тому

    Warframe has been the truest example of a “free to play” game there is. For you to try to call out a f2p game like this out for “dark patterns” is hilarious. I’ve not spent more than 200 bucks on my account in all the years of me playing and that’s because of the open market system that’s implemented. If you have impulse control issues sure I’d see playing a game like warframe as an issue as with any other game these days. But if you have a reasonable control on your impulses then the discounts and fast track purchases will always just be a minor nuisance. That’s what an economy is… It’s up to you as a customer to decide when and where to make a purchase and where and how to apply said purchase. Do you know how many times I’ve paid for a item and not read the instructions only to mess it up and have to repurchase said item? Is it then the manufacturers fault? I think this entire video can be summed up to “user error” There’s a questions tab in the chat section when not in a active mission. Use it.

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      I've got 3 questions, no shade, just trying to understand from a development perspective so I can improve my own work. 1. Why is the money you've personally spent relevant to the way the game is designed? 2. Why is what I've shown you not indicative of a dark pattern? 3. What is your personal line for a business potentially misleading their customers?

  • @RvnWolf
    @RvnWolf 3 місяці тому

    Hmm i played Warframe for years, and im guessing the video is click bait. On Switch, Steamdeck, ps4 and Laptop. And not once in playing and gong in the shop has a Dark Pattern ever came up.

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      "and not once in playing and gong in the shop has a Dark Pattern ever came up" - RvnWolf re Warframe

    • @pz41
      @pz41 3 місяці тому

      This video is structured like a dark pattern if you ask me, and definitely click bait. The vid is so unfocused and emotionally manipulative that I stopped watching. This isn't the first vid I've seen that's trying to rile up a mob for personal gain, and won't be the last. Unprofessional. Some say that the content you make is a reflection on the creator, and if that's the case, in my opinion this is someone unworthy of an audience.

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      ​@@pz41 Ok so you're saying a lot of words but without literally any substance to back them up. I would love to hear your direct criticism against my work. Please tell me what I'm wrong about because i would love to retract it if so because if I didn't make it clear enough in this video itself my goal is not to drum up negative sentiment. How was I trying to rile up a mob for personal gain? Please explain that?

  • @is370
    @is370 3 місяці тому

    Only reason I haven’t played is because it’s free to play… there’s no such thing as a free to play game that isn’t predatory.. and if you disagree, it’s probably because you’re a sucker who fell for it

    • @whyitsfun
      @whyitsfun 3 місяці тому

      Which is a shame because I think Warframe has one of the best sci-fi narratives in modern gaming. I just hate it's attached to all this.

    • @is370
      @is370 3 місяці тому

      @@whyitsfun agreed, it looks fun, I just can’t bring myself to be apart of the predatory micro-transactions

  • @itz_Metaa
    @itz_Metaa 3 місяці тому

    Holy shit the ragebait is real. Not gonna watch an hour of yapping just to hide that you have major reading issues. Learn to trade and you will have thousands of plats without even trying. You can get every single piece of content in the game for free, tell me another company that does this. Maintaining the game, the servers, updating the game, creating new content, hiring people to work at the company all cost money. Just say don't want to support DE, I get it. I buy plat to buy forma bundles and potatoes because I have every single gun and warframe built and I enjoy modding them and want to keep the lights on for people like you who can only bitch about a free game that somehow needs to generate revenue to be maintained. At legendary ranks you can make a couple hundred plats a day just trading. The only dark pattern was excalibur prime and the first two heirloom skins iirc. They even patched the kubrow reroll gamba machine

  • @Ssecave
    @Ssecave 3 місяці тому

    In one game, you can get a lot of content free and from different places. Characters, arcanes, and so on. In WuWa (and all those casino's) you A) pay 300€ for 1 character (way more for the character and the weapon) or 2) do you chores (yay) and wait 6 months to 1 year. (and I play both Warframe and WuWa). I DO agree with you that the things you showed need to be fixed/changed. It's not even that hard. Either add a confirmation button, or keep the same but "hold" to buy. You can even add the 2-3sec waiting time you have in the trading system. They def need to correct it, like they changed the kubrow mechanics that mde ppl gamble for that feature back then. 38:44 For the arcanes vendors, yes it's not well explained but you're searching it the wrong way. Arcanes are a thing when you begin to do steel path missions/alerts. Then you discover a new ressource (the cubic white thingy). You realise you need to trade it to teshin and discover you can trade it for cosmetics, arcanes and so on. Still I'm glad videos like that exist to show stuff that can be improved. Honestly ? The whole UI of Warframe is a bit of a mess. It's a mix of the old UI with the new one. Nothing is complete on that front (it's been years like that). 1 little advice if I could, make the video more condense. 1h is way too long. I watched in 1.25 speed and I almost never do that.