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KHDaily Knives
Приєднався 14 кві 2017
KHDaily Knives are custom made knives that are made to perform in the kitchen or out in the woods.
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Straightening Hardened Knife With a Carbide Straightening Hammer.
I get asked very frequently "How does a carbide hammer work?". I have done a few social media posts about how it works, but took some time and really went through the process of how I do it and the science behind it.
You can find the carbide hammers I make to purchase at:
- khdailyknives.com/shop/shop/knifemaking/carbidestraighteninghammer/
- housemade.us/collections/housemade-collabs/products/carbide-straightening-hammer
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Background on how I found out about this technique.
This hammer is a happy accident for how it came to be. I was working on my first batch of Magnacut steel and after the cryogenic treatment, I found most of my blades had picked up a banana shaped curve in it. I first tried shim tempering which has worked extremely well for me in the past. However this time, it only worked on a few blades.
I knew other makers talked about using a 3 point bending method. So I put my blade in my arbor press, and broke part of the tang right off. Well, that is not going to be a good way to go for this hardened steel. I tried using a hardened steel ball peen hammer, and shattered the front of a Nakiri. That wasn’t going to work either. I was thinking I would need to anneal the whole batch and try to heat treat them again.
In talking with Dr. Larrin Thomas, he pointed me to a post on Blade Forums. In the post one of the members HSC was using a carbide chisel to straighten his blades with good success. One of the other knifemakers I talked to was Dan Bidinger, he showed me a carbide ball he inserted into a hammer and said it was working well for him. After seeing and researching carbide chisels and straightening hammers many others have used/made, I felt this carbide ball inserted into a hammer was the best way to proceed for testing if I could make it work.
I ordered a couple Ø3/8″ carbide balls and picked up a ball peen hammer. I drilled out the back and soldered in the carbide ball. I was able to straighten the blades I broke during my earlier attempts and knew I wanted to bring these helpful tools to other makers.
The hammers now feature a brazed carbide ball in the back of the peen and the carbide is approximately 90 HRC which allows it to dimple the hardened blades and not shatter them.
What has worked the best for me has been to put the knife with the warp on the anvil in the shape of a U and just to one side of where it comes up, hit the top side with the hammer to bring the blade back down straight. I do 1 or 2 hits then check the knife of my surface plate and by eye to see where the next hits need to happen.
With some moderately hard hits based on the diameter of the dimple left in the steel the 4 oz hammer leaves a 0.0025″ deep divot and the 8 oz hammer leaves a 0.0051″ deep divot. Me being on the heavier hand nature, I preferred the lighter hammer at the beginning, now I am more comfortable I grab the 8 oz hammer almost every time. Both hammers work extremely well from my testing.
You can find the carbide hammers I make to purchase at:
- khdailyknives.com/shop/shop/knifemaking/carbidestraighteninghammer/
- housemade.us/collections/housemade-collabs/products/carbide-straightening-hammer
Follow Me:
khdailyknives.com
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Background on how I found out about this technique.
This hammer is a happy accident for how it came to be. I was working on my first batch of Magnacut steel and after the cryogenic treatment, I found most of my blades had picked up a banana shaped curve in it. I first tried shim tempering which has worked extremely well for me in the past. However this time, it only worked on a few blades.
I knew other makers talked about using a 3 point bending method. So I put my blade in my arbor press, and broke part of the tang right off. Well, that is not going to be a good way to go for this hardened steel. I tried using a hardened steel ball peen hammer, and shattered the front of a Nakiri. That wasn’t going to work either. I was thinking I would need to anneal the whole batch and try to heat treat them again.
In talking with Dr. Larrin Thomas, he pointed me to a post on Blade Forums. In the post one of the members HSC was using a carbide chisel to straighten his blades with good success. One of the other knifemakers I talked to was Dan Bidinger, he showed me a carbide ball he inserted into a hammer and said it was working well for him. After seeing and researching carbide chisels and straightening hammers many others have used/made, I felt this carbide ball inserted into a hammer was the best way to proceed for testing if I could make it work.
I ordered a couple Ø3/8″ carbide balls and picked up a ball peen hammer. I drilled out the back and soldered in the carbide ball. I was able to straighten the blades I broke during my earlier attempts and knew I wanted to bring these helpful tools to other makers.
The hammers now feature a brazed carbide ball in the back of the peen and the carbide is approximately 90 HRC which allows it to dimple the hardened blades and not shatter them.
What has worked the best for me has been to put the knife with the warp on the anvil in the shape of a U and just to one side of where it comes up, hit the top side with the hammer to bring the blade back down straight. I do 1 or 2 hits then check the knife of my surface plate and by eye to see where the next hits need to happen.
With some moderately hard hits based on the diameter of the dimple left in the steel the 4 oz hammer leaves a 0.0025″ deep divot and the 8 oz hammer leaves a 0.0051″ deep divot. Me being on the heavier hand nature, I preferred the lighter hammer at the beginning, now I am more comfortable I grab the 8 oz hammer almost every time. Both hammers work extremely well from my testing.
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I’ve been using broken off hammerdrill masonry bits. They have a carbide button in the front. I’ll probably be able to dome it because right now the dents it puts in the life are like center lunches
How do you straighting annealed steel? Thank you
@@artemporkhun1407 Straightening when the blades are annealed is usually best done in a 3 point bending method. Lots of people make up a jig that mounts in a bench vise that has two supports close to either end on one jaw and the other jaw has a support that pushes in the middle. If you search for “3 point straightening jig knifemaking” you should find some videos. Denis Tyrell and Tony Severieo did some videos on their setups.
2:31 what about a combination of a ball and a shisel type carbide. For example a carbide drill.
@@kimchan382 You could for sure give it a try, I think it would probably work. I think the ball is much better because there is not a sharp stress concentration that is left in the dimple.
Thanks. Couldn't remember the temper temp. 😂
@@FletcherKnives Glad to help buddy! 🤘
sorry, it's not really work , not all steel can Straight again after factory heat treat, the risk it can make the knife crack
No. That’s not true, and if the knife does it was improperly treated.
We're straight enough to go on Grindr!
@@googleenshitified great to hear! 🤘🤘
This video is flipping awesome!!! Just ordered your 8oz hammer
@@mgannotti Thank you! Your support and friendship has been awesome! Thanks for all you do for the community!
This video is flipping awesome!!!
@@mgannotti Thank you! 💪
Never heard of an Incra ruler before mate, seems a lot more useful & less sacrificial than the Inca ruler I’ve been using. No wonder half the village’s missing.
@@redraven1604 It is really helpful for marking out precise measurements in certain applications.
@@KHDailyKnives So just like the Inca Ruler but less blood & pissed off neighbours then, gotcha.
In the process of making this sort of hammer, and it's very helpful to see the impact pattern to get an idea for placement. Thanks for making this video!
@@sirmontag your welcome! Glad you found the video so helpful!
Great video. Thank you for sharing
Thank you!
Much appreciated. The 10v and z wear I’ve done has warped badly 😂 I did the old temper while clamped method but this seems like magic
I have been crazy impressed with how well it works. It has saved me literally $1000’s in warped magnacut blades.
Game changer. Thanks for this vid!
Thank you! It has helped me a ton!
Thanks
Thanks for the support!
I can't wait to get mine! Thanks Kyle!
Thank you for the support! 💪
profile looks like it's for someone that either doesn't cook, doesnt know how to cook, or never used a chef knife. nobody that's into chef knives wants rounded profiles like that. the stock also looks comically thick. i'd be curious to see what the choil looks like on the finished product. like an axe as with most edc bros that take their hand making kitchen knives for edc bros to buy their wives that never get used because they're ugly and cut like shit or like a proper kitchen knife.
Ah, thank you for your colorful commentary! 💪
What an amazing comment. Please post your work so everyone can see how it's done
@@toddharrington9071 Grinding a billet of steel into something vaguely resembling a kitchen knife isn't some grand accomplishment. Anyone can do it. The difference between a good kitchen knife and junk isn't about what steel it's made of. It's about ergonomics, weight and balance, the blade profile and the cutting geometry. Most chefs like a neutral or slightly forward balance, flatter profiles that don't strain the wrist or require extra hand movements, and grinds that don't require some massive 2 mm secondary bevel at the edge with a 25 degree included angle. Most of mine are 20 degrees inclusive and the edge bevel is barely visible because of how thin the grind is where it matters. The best kitchen knives will have subtle convex bevels which push ingredients away and give excellent food release. It's all about the details.
@user-xf4es7eh9y irrelevant comment in this thread. The video was showing how he straightens a bowed blade after temper. Your original comment was saying how shitty the blade design was. Cool but nothing really to add. But it definitely seems like you can't make a knife yourself. Because if you could, you wouldn't be critical toward someone who puts a lot of time, effort, and passion into it. A good chef doesn't just talk shit if a cook/chef is bad at cooking. They coach them and make them better. Are you a chef? Maybe you don't have those qualities yourself. If not, you should try to be better for you and for your cooks
Hello, it is a Realy great Video. I Wonder, if the hits make stress Points or cracks in the Blade.
It is making compressive stress in the blade. The advantage of the ball over the carbide chisel is the rounded divot is much less of a stress concentration than the triangular divot made by a carbide chisel. It is still possible to crack a blade if the warp is extreme, but I have straightened about 400 blades and have had 6 crack while straightening.
Does this work on both high carbon and stainless?
It has worked well on every blade steel I have used it on.
Is this used before temper or would it be best right after coming out of the temper oven
I hammer after all temper cycles are completed. For magnacut I do 2 tempers at 350F for 2 hours each.
@@KHDailyKnives thank man. Great channel
does the hammer have to be carbide or can any ball hammer work
I think so dude.
As in has to be carbide
@@harrytaylor2401 thanks for the reply. Just watched a few other videos that explained what’s happening and why it has to be carbide lol. Might have to make my own, although I only have one bent knife and I’m not a blacksmith lol
@@alexh.4068 it doesn’t have to be carbide, but it has to be harder than what your blade steel is. For most knife steels they are 58-65 HRC, which is very hard. The tungsten carbide is 90 HRC, so it is able to indent the blade steel to straighten it. Let me know if you have any further questions and I will try to get those answered.
@@KHDailyKnivesI’ll just tap on it with my carbide tipped hammer drill bit, maybe I can sell hammers like this ;)
Interesting!
Cool video - thank you
Glad the video was helpful!
He could have showed the finished product
Part of my learning experience on UA-cam making videos…There are many examples on my website as well as Instagram. I also wrote a book showing all the steps with photos and dimensioned drawings on my website for 5 different filework patterns.
@@KHDailyKnives But I don't want to go to your website I was invested in watching the video here on youtube waited all the way to the end and you didn't show the completed project a little silly I think
@@bikepony3498 Thank you for watching to the end, not sure what else to say...I made the video 5 years ago. You can not edit a video once it is uploaded other than taking it down completely. Also, thank you for continuing to voice your displeasure for all the work I put into making the video.
Podcast listener and now subscribed to the channel here too! Would love to see your "plate quench" in action as well- thanks for all you and Dogwood do for the community! Love this- Keep on my friend- Bravo!
Thank you for the very kinds words! Thanks for the support and hopefully more info soon on the plates!
Kyle, this is worked great for saving a couple bananas. Any advice for someone who had an 8-in chef's knife come out with a twist instead of just a cup?
That is so great to hear! Glad it worked well for you! If you have a twist, you want to angle where you hammer to be in the valley of the twist. Just like how I started in the middle of the warp here. I usually don’t get much twisting though.
@@KHDailyKnives thanks. Sounds like a little 3d chess for me this evening...bit tough to visualize but I'll give it a go
@@navygeek if you need some help, send me a picture on Instagram and I will try to help draw lines where to hit.
Do you think that this would work on a Spyderco Native 5 blade in maximet?
The carbide ball is 90 HRC, it should work on any steel that is softer than that. I haven’t used maximet and can’t say for sure.
Hello, Did the Carbide Ball ever break on you? .... What kind of light is that? Thx
I have not had a carbide ball break so far. I have done about 400 blades now and it is still going strong. The ball is in compression when striking and is also supported by the braze around it. The light is the rechargeable Milwaukee 2112-21. It is a nice light and has more led emitters than the lower brightness one that seems to work better for looking at the bend I think.
Hey Kyle, im just curious if this method of straightening isnt introducing micro fractures to the blades? Pretty interesting how that works without shattering the blade. Would love to see a microscopic look at a blade straightened this way as i would love to get one if it does no create microfractures.
The hammer is creating compressive stresses in the steel. Compressive residual stresses are known to increase both the fatigue strength and resistance to stress corrosion cracking. It would be similar to shot peening if you want to check out more info on that. This straightening method is not a new one and has been used in the saw blade industry as well as the Japanese knife industry for a long time. The method however is not 100% effective without cracking the blade. I have straightened around 400 blades and I think it has been 6 that have cracked while straightening / grinding. Some people have said they like to do an additional temper cycle after hammer straightening which they say has helped. I might start doing some of that too. The blades that have cracked on me usually looked like there were other things going on in the steel, but sometimes it happens. The hammers have saved me tons of frustration and scrap steel and have been so helpful with my kitchen knives specifically. I have looked at many under the microscope in the beginning and did not see any micro cracking around the dimples. Hope that helps answer your question.
@@KHDailyKnives sure does! Thank you for responding!
Great info on the how and why of straightening out a blade with one, Kyle. I'll share it out in case on of the budding knifemakers on my channel didn't know yet. Have a good one up there!
Thanks man! Always appreciate getting good info out there. Going to try and do some more content on UA-cam again.
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Thank you very much!
Great video! So happy to see a tutorial because now I can use my hammer more effectively. One thing I had happen to me is after straightening a badly warped chef knife I started grinding and the wrap came back. I assume because I removed a good portion of the deformed material caused by the carbide hammer. I since straightened it again using the hammer.
So glad the video was helpful! I have seen the warp come back a few times. Grinding both sides evenly helps a lot, but I always make sure I keep an eye on how things are progressing.
I love my KH hammer, it sometimes need to work on ApexUltra and frequently beating the living hell out of A8Mod.....Great video Kyle, as always! Keep Pushing!
Thanks for this. Got mine and whacked a carcass straight in a random manner, but your method here is much more deliberate and likely faster.
You very welcome! Glad the video was helpful. It has worked very well for me doing it this way.
Nice Kyle
Thanks buddy! Good videos are much harder to make than one would think!
I own one of these. They work and it’s always magnacut. 😂
Thanks man! 💪 Magnacut is awesome once it is in a knife. Sometimes it fights you the whole way.
Nice work man !!!
Thank you! 🤘🤘
Very cool, man!
Thank you! Going to try and get some more tip videos put up here on UA-cam.
just made my 1st spine vine shape looks amazing, thnx for the idea
Awesome man! So glad to have helped a little!
I appreciate how you show all the details of the process from the tools to the actual step-by-step process, straight to the point, without wasting any time. Thank you!!!
Thank you for the kind words!
Thanks for the great video. So you put your knives in a cold oven and turned on. Heated knives up to 1200 and equalized. Then 1400 and equalized. Then 1900ish and soaked for 30 min(correct)? How long does the entire process take including heating from room temperature? I think my oven takes too long.
I split the difference in the range of temperatures. I hold for 15 minutes at 1175 F, then 1425F, and then 1950F for 30 minutes. It usually takes around 3 hours from start to finish in my eveeheat. The holds add a lot of time, but I think it helps to make sure the blades are at those hold temperatures. I also have a 220V oven so that helps to heat up faster.
Geez . . . What does that look like when it’s complete??? 🤣🤪
Thanks buddy! 😜😜 I am going to have to do a part 2 of this video like Brian House told me to do.
Please show close up of actual file work on the blade.
There are many pictures of the completed filework on my Instagram page KHDailyKnives.
59 is to soft . Push it to 62
The material specification sheet says it tops out at 59 HRC for 154CM.
Do you think the discoloration is caused from two thick of folding over the aluminum ?
The colors are some of the natural colors from heating the blade. Sometimes it can be from the little bit of oxygen that oxidizes in the packet. I wish it was more consistent, I think it looks rad!
Great video! How long do you reckon you hit the blades with compressed air to get them cool to the touch?
It is about 60 seconds for a larger kitchen knife. Pairing knives are only about 20 seconds.
Hey bro. Keep going on!
Thanks man! I hope to devote some more time to the channel eventually.
Damn did I miss the close up of the finished product? No happy ending??
Excellent.. I like that you took the time to explain a lot of the tooling. You learn every day!
Thanks man! 💪
Very nice work. An excellent example of how repetition can lead to desirable patterns. You make this look easy, I'm subscribing! P.S. I have absolute vise envy...
Thanks man! That vise is relatively inexpensive for how great it is. They go on sale on Amazon pretty frequently and get around the $200 mark sometimes.
Whats name of this tools?
It is called a height gage. I bought this one from Grizzly tools. Make sure you get one that has a carbide tip. That makes it much easier to get a clean line in metal.