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Bretonnia might not be overpowered, but Pegasus knights sure are great Cavalry and mobility are King. Dragon Ogres are another power unit. Part of the reason why Bretonnia is so prevalent, is that they were in the release in a big starter set. If Brets are overpowered, then Dwarfs and Empire ( particularly State Troops) need to be looked at. No cavalry, no monster, no Level 4, slow move and initiative, even war machines aren't the best. Where have they placed? Not high in any tourney I saw.

I think we need more objective based scenarios more then balance Datasheets

I have tried Flagellants. As infantry they get charged, and with T3 and Ward Save of only 6, they die like flies, and never get to strike back. I've hardly got to use their flails. At 13 points each they are too expensive to be a tar pit. Not worth it. And they are Rare. Steam Tank and Helblaster are much much better. Warrior Priests are pants. Ld7 means they don't always get their prayer. 60 points? Nah. A shame as they are one of the more fluffy units in the Empire.

Results of my first mission was a narrow victory for my warriors of chaos! 879 points against 786 points for Rob’s high elves. 😈

How do both rank when compared to One Page Rules: Regiments? Also, just know I have no agenda. My miniature game of choice is BattleTech/Alpha Strike.

Probably didn’t help that LGT had an additional rule that the green knight could come out of hills too.

It really is just all about mobility they buff the attacks and the strength on the unit. They can see 360° in charge twentyish inches in a game where movement is supposed to be strict unless you’re lightly armored and lightly hitting scout/skirmish unit.

You’re fooling yourself if you think GW will support The Old World in any real way

Sounds like WH 2nd edition which I like

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For modern GW plastic models, I find they tend to convert easiest if you fully assemble them, then saw them apart to re-pose and putty gaps they way you might have converted single piece metal models back in the past. Definitely more of a hassle than the old multi-pose plastics, though the models do tend to look very pretty out of the box, so... eh. Turns & roundabouts.

GW abandoned Oldhammer before. They will do it again.

finally getting to watch that so im in

for this kind of smaller skirmish/scouting party narrative game, I recommend adding a 'no behemoths' agreement to the 'no lords' and 'no unique heroes'.

Lets see if I can talk my room mate into a game. He was hype for old world when it released, but recently has been more invested in blood bowl.

I'm interested, participating as either tomb kings (Nagash worshipers / followers of Arkhan the Black) or Vampire Counts, whichever better fits the campaign narrative.

What board size do you reckon? I’m tempted to go 4x4 at 1000pts, but maybe 4x6 would be better?

Been in both worlds and I say KoW all day. So tired of Herohammer or Spellhammer, for an example; layer after layer with saves . Unbalanced army list with years between them.. KoW have more of tactical missions were unit is so important even the wek ones. The new minatures are much better quality in KoW, the old ones were not very funny at all. During one time per year the KoW armies and rules are balanced in Clash Of Kings. Mantic(company) RC - Rule Commity and the gamers actually is part of this balancing of rules and armies. The heroes/characters do have buff/leadership roles , not all but there are.

I'm in! The Vampire Counts will rise!

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I would probably play the same few people over and over again. But that idea is awesome. I'm in!

There's a lot of trash choices in the Empire roster, they clearly wrote the Empire rules first and then power crept with everything else until you reach the peak with Beastmen. The hilarious thing is that the Witchunter can give you bonuses against "Beasts of Chaos" but no such faction exists! Clearly lazily written or put together by someone who hates them.

TOW was always a very awkward prospect for GW being caught between trying to bring in new players and satisfy old players, it's no surprise given their other production issues it wouldn't be a priority and arguably they've done a lot more for TOW than other ranges this year, possibly as a result of the resins and metals not having to go through the plastic injection pipeline which is where problems seem to be.

This is pathetic. No Beastmen, Empire, Wood or High Elves when the core of those factions could have been released Jan 2024... and Beastmen and Empire were already available via AoS mere months ago. Pathetic. Prices that render most of us unable to afford the game anyway (so the game was dead on arrival anyhow) - but even that aside: NO NEW PLASTICS for Greenskins or Chaos it seems? Unless we're seeing new plastic forsaken. A game designed to fail. A crawling pace of releases designed more to milk an aging fanbase who want "classic models" rather than produce a game that will last for decades. Too expensive on release + a 10% price hike shortly after - just to make it clear to you all GW look at you with disgust - and a ruleset almost no one wants to touch, which is somehow even more unnecessarily complex and bloated than prev. editions (one of the primary reasons the game failed).

Their ideas on countering a Chaos Lord on a dragon almost sound like they're not really playing the game that much.

they really should've pushed the 6th faction out before christmas.

I will get back painting my Knights of the Order of the Gold Lion. With a holiday and for a while no motivation to do some painting I might get this month most of the Knights done 🙂

Oddly enough, I was wishing I had more time for the hobby just today.

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I would wait to get Empire until their range comes back.. i like them and the concept, but would want access to the full range..

I think Chaos seems more fun - more fun modelling and a little more fun to play. had it been more Stunty models from late 5th Ed and early 6th Ed. Those hands down.. But I don´t like the steam punky and too metal later Stunties....

Great that you took the time for this comparison. Clearly it was very influenced by your experiences , of which you have more on the GW game. Knowing both games and WHFB from 3rd edition onwards, I think the games are not comparable at all except that you can use the same dice and the same minis. Warhammer Fantasy was always more or less focused on individial Herous, Monsters etc. Clearly given by the background of the vast and extensively worked out Warhammer World - which is/was a kind of persiflage of our existing world with nations we all know. When KoW came out, it no rela fleshed out World or lore , so no named Heroes , no famous regiments etc. And yes, the idea was not to imitate WHFB but to bring something new to the table which plays way faster then any WHFB game, has more streamlined rules and, was not a convolute of rules, special rules and exemptions of those published over a variety of costly rule and armybooks aside from those publications like White Dwarf. Alessio did exactly that. A lot of what KoW is today, stems from the players themselves, as , contrary to GW, Mantic has tried to include the players in rules development from the first day on. And it is a blessing, that rules don't change any other year or get updated to an eextend, that armies become totally worthless. As for the miniatures count : WHTOW is for me not a "Mass Fantasy battle game system" . With 50 - 60 Minis on the table you can hardly speak of "Mass". You could call WHFB 8th. Edition that. My Skavenarmy back in 2012 or so was close to 300 models and even the expensive Warriors of Chaos fielded easily more than any ToW Army today at similar point ranges. TOW is for me a better skirmisher. Too many complex rules written in an unclear way leaving too much questions unanswered for such a small skirmish game. But I do get it that many people seem to have no patience to built and paint an army with maybe 150 models. But that is a general development these days. Then you have what's called The Magic System : You didn't mention it during your comparison explicitely, but it was a huge thing back in WHFB 8th.Edition and became a neglectable one in TOW, at least in comparison. While I do like certain aspects of the new magic system in ToW and found the one on KOW rather rudimentary, I do not want the system of 8th. edition back, as it was highly debatable and ceratinly gamechanging in many aspects. I dropped TOW after a couple of games because it is again a convolute of rules , special rules and exemptions spread over a variety of sources and over many different chapters in the main rulebook. On top, quite a few TOW rules seem not to have undergone actual playtesting ( despite the crew having worked more than 4 years on the project and the company had about 35+ years experience with WHFB editions and their shortcomings). So TOW is for me today a mix of 4th. with a bit of 6th. Edition, stirred up with some AoS, Warmaster and "The Hobbit" spices. If I would go back to any of the WHFB editions, it would probably be 6th/7th. or 8th. but with the restrictions usually needed when playing tournaments because of the unbalanced nature of most WHFB editions in vanilla. Sorry for the wall of text.

KoW has been my go-to. But it's great to have comparisons! It's quick etc. Also I kind of contest your idea that in old world taking damage diminishes your effectiveness. That only matters for some infantry and cav units that are not killed at one go. As there is no stepup and only first rank fights, youre only basically as effective as your first rank is (not counting combat res from some ranks and line hammer). Monsters and heroes in old world perform as long as they're alive. You're correct both have pros and cons. Neither is really better. It's about preference.

KOW has ugly models and is just as expensive as GW. At least GW has quality.

We still can’t get GW black orcs in Australia and New Zealand for some reason.

Shame this is all basically unaffordable for most people who want to play this game. Oh well.

shame no rules for a mono god lists

Forsaken? No mention at all. That's a bit weird. They're almost as popular as Dragon Ogres.

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I guess Warriors of Chaos

I think its justified to speculate that the 'Marauding Wolves of the Sea' are gonna take after Norsca. One thing that sets Norsca apart from the Warriors of Chaos in Total War Warhammer III is that they have access to Marauder Hunters - IE Marauders with Spears and Javelins. Also, if I had to make a mild guess, I'd say we're gonna get Gorebeasts as seperate units ( without a chariot ) - seems exactly like the kind of remix / reuse we've been seeing with plastic kits in other Arcane Journals ( Necroserpents, Grudge Ponies, etc ). Also Gorebeasts where originally planned as a unit in Khorne's roster in TW:WH3 before getting cut.

what are you talking about? What would you be using for line infantry? Marauder's? You want chunky blocks of Chaos warriors. Old World favors large blocks for infantry. it's the only way they can hold against the dominate cavalry. less then 20 models and you are throwing points away. Chaos warriors are much weaker then they used to be but they're also more in line with a core troop. they're much needed.

Saw a very fun battle report with goblins attacking dwarfs making a last stand. Featured both mining carts and a lone slayer. The carts allow nearby units to throw blasting charges and the slayer was very fearsome with some runes, although might struggle in higher point games. Not sure if it was the old world rules for the mining carts or just something taken from a previous edition, fun all the same.

Do you happen to know what army is going to be released next? I really hope its the Empire, they are supposed to release new models for the knights, militia and the great cannon.

Pretty sure the rules for the mining cart are in the arcane journal, and that they can be used as bugman’s carts as well. Shame they’re not separate, I don’t know that I need more miners.

Belagar still lives on. lol.

It’s just a random thought but could Dwarfs with Empire allies work? Would be fun to see human knights alongside dwarf heavy/ranged infantry.

😎😎 Just add units like Demigryphs to Empire, and if you run out of time you already have a army. Wizard on a pegasus, Hero with the Dragon Bow!

Royal mountain holds look fun , royal warriors, breakers and Hammerers as bulk then drakes and bolt thrower and however many msu cheap quarellers to make up the rest .