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I think: “this mystical shi too high for me” then immediately conk asleep

1:00:00 I think going into the book of Hosea and St. Paul's understanding and uses of it in Romans would be helpful in this discussion about marriage.

27:45 know who else likes Lacan and Zizek? Peter Rollins. He also has a good podcast on “what is Marxism?” And “what is fascism?”

Sorry I missed this when it was live, but I got all the way through it! Was especially happy to hear Chezi's announcement at the end about all the upcoming stuff with Yosef, etc. Looking forward to it.

52:00 totally agree about your observation, there is a spirit on the top of herearchy & saying there isn't seems a bit like a cultish.

I have no idea what this stream was about

53:00 A lot of street cred to whoever actually makes this happen. Contributions to the community in physical structural reality matter

We disagree little. This is litmus for me ;-)

This is the catch phrase: "Bro, do you even do old testament?"

GOD BLESS YA!! I said the same thing. Hari wha?? I would point out though that ANYBODY is not WILLING??? Is NOT qualified. Feed the sheep. 💞

The monarchical trinity appears in the article for the trinity on new advent under a section about the greek view of the trinity

Can I listen to this without violating jewish laws?

Sam speaks well

Really great conversation

That's a cute baby. God bless

I am very glad that you are advocating for judgement. Thank you for that. And you are right, without it, then it is just nihilism. Where I am undecided on my view of "universalism", is around the idea of free will, and how much we are allowed to choose. Can we choose non existence if we don't even know what that means? Is it possible to usurp God's creation? Does God allow it? Can God forget? Does God forget the Amalekites?

So ive heard this a couple times that universalism pops up in people that haven't suffered enough (1:25:00 ish? And PVK said this too, which was surprising). Aaannnd...I'm not a card carrying universalist but know enough of the figures involved that this is really super not true.

1:39:30 Again, I don't know what universalists you are talking to who don't believe this. Although I can't really speak for JDW or Grail Country...nor twitter....but I hope that they don't throw away the judgement. It is for the fact that I believe in reaping what you sow which makes me a "universalist". God is a consuming fire, and I don't think creation or judgement is arbitrary, and I also think it is eternal.

What universalists are you talking to that don't affirm correction or judgement? Are they mostly on twitter? I haven't kept up with the convo enough lately. 1:23:00

2:08:23 “ why are we even bothering? If you do good things, good things will come. If you do bad things, bad things will come.” First, Job. Second: this is good and will work for many, but not for all. There is no universal prescription for what every human person needs for transformation. Outside of the generic: love G-d. Some people will need the doctrine of hell flushed out in more nuance terms because they will have more nuance questions

2:03:30 the sin is not “forgotten”. It’s transformed. Forgiveness doesn’t change the facts. It changes the meaning.

1:56:06 so…we agree ❤ Edit: why would finite sins be punished for an unending duration/quantity of time? Only God exists forever, no?

1:47:00 Edward fudge is an annihilationist (conditional immortality). He’s not a universalist. And I own that book.

"But what in the world's as rare and nourishing as a life's work? As I see it, God gave me a gift. And by way of recompense... He's given me another." - Penance, The Nevers Reward and punishment

1:21:30 Sam: “the clearest teachings about Hell are from Jesus” vs St. Paul and the rest of the NT. “Jesus is not hard to understand at all.” It’s obviously debatable, Sam. ❤

1:15:15 why is it only universalists who shouldn’t talk about their understanding and vision of Hell? The other perspectives have their own pragmatic problems.

1:12:40 punishment as (mere?) retribution or vengeance. Is G-d like a father? To whom? Some? On what criteria? Are we deists? How do people exist?

1:05:45 Sam Tideman (transfigured3673)

52:07 “the unholy Trinity of evil is: universalism, anarchism, and egalitarianism” Two for three.

46:30 would you be open to talking to Jordan Daniel wood? I’d set it up if you were both willing?

Fr Stephen joins 4:57 Mr Footwear, please add the pre-game and introduction to the playlist 🙏

Jacob, if you can see I download all these videos now because I have no internet in temporary accommodation. Please don’t think I’m a stalker archiving everything haha 😅 it’s only a semi stalker behaviour I assure you .. I often wonder now if channels can see I download everything to watch ..😊😊 peace , and stay safe

Are we sure that the verb used for "sold" in the Greek is in the passive voice and not the middle voice? It's in the imperfect which has the same syntax for passive and the middle voice, but the middle voice would give the "sold onself" that Yosef was pointing out as lacking since the Hebrew has reflexive verbs.

This is was such an excellent discussion! I hope Fr. Stephen, Yosef and Jacob continue the conversation on these topics and go down some of the roads that were touched on but left for another time.

I'll preface this with, I know he's of American Calvinist stock and the Lutheran tradition isn't very strong at the moment. Still it's funny to me that around 1:45 Father Stephen gives the Lutheran principal principle regarding the Baptised Life (daily dying to sin, daily rising with Him), with Baptism as Luther's chief picture of Justification, ( Luther's perfect tense of, "I am Baptised" both referring to God's work and man's changed life) then says protestants reject that.

Great discourse. I really appreciate everyone here. I was wondering if the book Yosef was a referenceing was the Jewish Annotated New Testament by Amy-Jill Levine? There is the Complete Jewish Bible and a commentary by Stern that I've been thinking about. A Hebrew Roots congregation near me use them. One interesting note is they don't have the Trinity in their statement of Faith posted on their wall. They are affiliated with One for Israel and a few other Messianic groups, so they keep a version of Shabbat and few other Jewish festivals and Holy Days (of course it is their version but we've slapped our Library onto yours so why not have more reverence) . I plan to start worshipping there regularly despite the hate for HRM (Side note my family and I sporadically attend the Black Pentecostal gathering currently a house away from us). Also, I recently received Learning Biblical Hebrew and accompanying workbook by Karl V. Kutz and Rebekah L. Josberger. I'm excited to start The Study and meditation.

1:27:00 I’d very much like to know the title of the book Yosef mentions

1:43:40 I think everyone will fully keep Torah in the end

Romans 8 does not strike me as pessimistic though. Nor Romans 11.

1:35:45 I think this is the same thing as my other point. A baby doesn't know what "do not covet" is. You have to teach a child not to steal another child's toy. Its not implicit that it is a "law" until it is revealed or taught.

1:19:30 But does EO elevate the Torah over the Gospels? "looking through the glass backwards" type of stuff.

1:16:10 "He was alive once without the law/torah" I think he simply means that he was a baby once, childlike innocence. Babies have no law/torah, and no condemnation. When you give your child a new rule, then the accountability and standards for growth come, and also the temptation comes to break the rules. And we incorporate those laws (no matter how minor) into who we are as people, and who we should be. Something like when you learn a law/truth or say "i see", then you die. Its genesis stuff I believe.

1:01:00 I should preface that I am LOVING this convo so far, but I would agree with Yosef that this is a hard sell for me.

Ah, the clip function is missing. 1:00:27 - 1:00:33 has branding material potential. “We love crying babies here. That’s what this channel is for.”

I was entertained. Jacob should now be able to put aside his besmirching of Paul of Tarsus.

Really enjoyed this stream. And hey, if this stream doesn't fulfill Jacob's goals, we can always have Romans Stream 2: Electric Boogaloo, or maybe Galatians Stream.

2:20:55 Is that a reference to Dave Rubin commenting on the conversation with Eric and Brett Weinstein?