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Upstream with Erik Torenberg
United States
Приєднався 20 бер 2023
You’ll hear consequential ideas here first, and in the mainstream months later. Upstream is a curated nexus feed from the Turpentine podcast network, bringing you expert-level conversations hosted by some of the most compelling thinkers in the world including Noah Smith, Samo Burja, Byrne Hobart, Erik Torenberg, and Nathan Labenz. Guests include Marc Andreessen, Balaji Srinivasan, Dario Amodei, Brian Armstrong, David Sacks, Sam Harris, Katherine Boyle, Curtis Yarvin, and many more unmissable conversations.
Why We Do Philosophy w/ Agnes Callard
In this episode, Erik sits down with Agnes Callard, a philosopher and essayist who specializes in ancient philosophy, ethics, and Socratic communication. For full show notes, visit: highlightai.com/share/cee0a35b-4a10-4c3a-a988-7d9b3d7b7db4
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(00:00) Introduction and discussion of philosophy's progress
(14:00) The role and value of philosophy in society
(23:40) Tensions between academic and public philosophy
(29:30) Discussion of Socrates and irony
(34:40) Analysis of status games and self-deception
(41:50) Exploration of free speech and its meaning
(49:30) The nature of empathy and its limitations
(54:20) Discussion of equality and hierarchy
(59:40) Analysis of marriage and relationships
(01:05:00) The purpose of community and conversation
(01:10:00) Discussion of love, marriage and living philosophically
(01:16:30) Closing thoughts on the nature of philosophical discourse
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Introduction and discussion of philosophy's progress
(14:00) The role and value of philosophy in society
(23:40) Tensions between academic and public philosophy
(29:30) Discussion of Socrates and irony
(34:40) Analysis of status games and self-deception
(41:50) Exploration of free speech and its meaning
(49:30) The nature of empathy and its limitations
(54:20) Discussion of equality and hierarchy
(59:40) Analysis of marriage and relationships
(01:05:00) The purpose of community and conversation
(01:10:00) Discussion of love, marriage and living philosophically
(01:16:30) Closing thoughts on the nature of philosophical discourse
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bro looks erratic lol
Sounds like a degrowther's wet dream.
Really insightful discussion. Especially around not knowing the real cause. I heard one history podcast that suggested there is historical evidence that fertility drops as people move into cities. It was the farmers who end up repopulating after the city state ultimately collapses. Modernity means more people than ever can live in cities. Access to birth control and abortions means we have less accidental children - perhaps the majority of births pre birth control were by accident (although I can't prove that). Taken together these influences seem like they could be strong drivers behind this phenomenon. In short, technology has created this problem. And, in my opinion, technology is our only way out of it - no putting the genie back in the bottle. Whoever figures out artificial wombs and ai bots to raise kids en mass may end up inheriting the earth. 😬
Enjoyed the conversation, thanks.
Enjoyed the conversation, thanks.
If they call the Time when Constantine become emperor start of the middle age's or the Dark age. Then can we say we have already entered a dark age in our own Time. The signs of a dark age is already here
Interesting conversation.
The elite and 'experts' will try to control everything while simultaneously destroy it because they don't fully understand or care about anything but their selfish goals. Lets force a square to fit into a circle. I don't have to change YOU have to change
17:28 "Jesus Christ was literate." Do we actually know Jesus was literate?
Its clearly bull shit. There are waaaay too many ppl on this planet. And not too less!!!!
Who killed the Russian Elite, Richard?
I agree with the recommendations from the World Economic Forum, that advised the cancellation of direct incentive programs, the target of a stable fertility rate of 1.7, and a diversion of all 'baby bonus' funds towards pediatric and child care.
Cutting a worm in half is so barbarian.
How do you talk about the stark change in wealth of the Spanish empire without mentioning the money men being expelled from yet another country tho
Global warming is a hoax
That's the kind of stuff I love too.
The people who want to support Ukraine the most don't seem very interested in negotiating.
Just get red of marraige and responsibility to take care of anyone, no responsibility means being more risky
on the discussion of how America is composed multiple american ethnicities and cultures. I grew up in South Texas and due to my field and the job situation I had to move to Ohio for work. The culture of the people around me is similar in some ways to the culture of where I grew up, but different in various other ways. The most striking thing to me is the pride in the state. In Texas the shape of the state is literally everywhere its inescapeable. Its like the marathon logo in bungie games post marathon its everywhere. Thats comepletely untrue for Ohio. Its on signs for state roads and thats basically it. State symbols are rarely displayed in Ohio outside of an official capacity where as in Texas they are ubiquitous. Prior to moving to Ohio I had falsely assumed that every state had major state pride on the level of Texas.
Open source AI = Chinese copying. This is an AI industrial revolution, why is it so hard to realize by those like you both are single handedly capable of keeping your cards held against your chest, without giving away modality and matrix action prompts vs. kill prompts is supposed to be a localized gold rush initiative - with all progress non-disclosed to outside international sources. Stop it.....just stop. The WWW. prowess recognition you think you will achieve is far less than you think if the user-pop looks at either of you as contributers to international development based on copying your open sourced requests for far-end-collaborator model design. Do it your gosh darn selves and quit being lazy. STOP REQUESTING OPEN SOURCE. Maybe request open source after 2 years from now.
Its very intriguing how many Americans choose to ignore all the elephants in the room. Rothschild banking puppet thats what tump is.... trump also instated the nations first gun red flag laws back in 2019. He is not pro second amendment anyone saying that is not doing research.
Love this boy
Just start the darn episode. No need for any goofy “coming up” since it’s so long winded anyway.
This mans possible solutions at the end are very depressing, extreme, and very unlikely. It fails to address other problems. This assumes men are okay being intentionally not allowed to breed and the government is largely left in charge of who reproduces. We can always go back to simpliar solutions. Like encouraging kids to pair up before 20, enforcement of monogamy, having lots of third places. Intentional get togethers where people mingle.
Gen Z are brain rot
RE Regeneration: Deer antlers are more like hair than limbs though, right?
This is moronic, with all the ways we are in planetary over shoot now, we need WAY LESS humans, not more. The earth cannot bio physically support the current population, let alone more.
Humanity needs artificial womb. AW should be our priority not AI :D
...I don't understand why the alarm... when we get down to a billion we might start to worry about extinction. Maybe if we make a more pleasant world we'll get fertility as a nice side effect!
Elon is like a drug dealer who doesn't know the first rule of drug dealing which is you don't partake in the drugs you're selling or your business will go under. Hopefully his business will go under. We'd be a lot better off without Twitter.
Orthodox Judaism that’s the reason why Israel has a high birth rate. glory to God in the highest Hashim
10:04 lol, he wrong cause he looked to man for the answer. The real answer is our Lord's Kingdom. But the neanced one probably mentions what he did 😏
US life expectancy effected by covid (temporarily).
Something needs to change or else all will be lost. People not having 2 kids min should not be allowed to vote.
I can’t see the ideas later in the talk happening in China. The party-state is very hostile toward surrogacy, and assisted reproductive technologies are legal only for married women. I believe the party state will force social re-engineering before attempting the kind of technological measures described. The familial mindset is very strong, and there is broad recognition that the fall in fertility is due to a breakdown in the courting market and resulting collapse of marriage rates.
Just tax childless
I have no children and spent 30K on IVF with out success now you want to tax me also.
Rome had a Bachelor's tax. It failed.
Does North Korea have arranged marriage, or does it partake in love marriages? This is what you should look into. Fertility is crashing in every society in which young people are expected to find and choose their mate all by themselves. In societies where parents or community play a higher role in mate selection (like Amish or Orthodox Judaism) fertility is higher. Please research this and get back to us.
Finally someone who admits we don’t know why fertility is collapsing. Ask all parents why they chose to have kids and the mean of their answers is “I don’t know, that’s just what you did back then.”
Of course they must understand that the world is run by psychopaths who want to reduce population by any means possible.
Smash the patriarchy, import the patriarchy. Men need to own property to have kids. We are all debt slaves and cucked to the state
I like your stuff but you ignore the UNited Nations fertility programs. Look at the programs they push all to them are effective. For example They fund programs for women to start work earlyer and marry later in all countrys. As well as contraception you think of. They fund billions on these programs all over the world. The effect of these programs are stronger than they realised Koria is the best example. Pepole forget the UN is pushing this offically to all countrys and medical services. They have even funded legal battles to change the law in countrys. They reversed the Romanian birth increase with law changes. (Edit to read better)
In the West, people's wealth and hope for the future is evaporating. Girl boss propaganda lying to women, making them think 40 is the new 20. But the smoking gun is poisonous food and sedentary lifestyles, producing disgusting people that no one wants to breed with.
Dr. Levin has an intensely fascinating and thought-provoking perspective. This conversation is very much worth listening to. Thank you for it!
This was a fun conversation
10 years max
"10 years max"? What are you talking about?
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Burja strawmans the arguments about the baby boom. The explanations are 1 male incomes increased relative to female and 2 male incomes became more equal. As a result of these factor women could best gain social status by marrying, and because male incomes were fairly equal, there was no point holding out in hopes of landing a high income man. You could marry a man you liked and be confident of a good life together. So people married young, and so they had more children due to simple biology. Start having children at 22, you'll have more of them than if you start at 36. This is why the baby boom in the USA started in the mid-1930s, after the New Deal. Not after the war.
Who knew people like sex more than kids. Birth control changed the world
The middle guy does not let Bryan complete or even speak many times. Pain in the ass!
I like his questioning
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