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What Jordan Peterson Didn't Say About Wrestling With God - Key Biblical Insight.
We Who Wrestle With God - Explained Biblically @JordanBPeterson
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Jesus First Miracle Doesn't Make Sense!
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Clive discusses Jesus humility through his first miracle. 👉 Follow for more: clivethorne.com God Bless #Jesus #Christianity #Bible #Gospel #JesusChrist #ChristianFaith #WhoIsJesus #JesusTeachings #JesusLife #JesusMessage #JesusParables #ChristianBeliefs #JesusMiracles #ChristianHope #JesusLove #JesusResurrection #FollowingJesus #JesusSavior #JesusDisciples #BibleStudy #FaithInJesus #JesusSonOfG...
Jordan Petersons "Rats Nest of Paradoxes" Explained - What They Missed about the Dishonest Manager
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"One of Jesus most perplexing parables" explained Biblically - Clive comments on ​⁠@JordanBPeterson ​⁠@JonathanPageau Gospel interpretation. 👉 Follow for more: clivethorne.com Watch the original video: ua-cam.com/video/SM7M30DaL0M/v-deo.html&ab_channel=JordanBPeterson God Bless #JordanPeterson #JesusParables #Gospels #BiblicalWisdom #MeaningOfLife #Christianity #BiblicalStories #ParablesExplain...
Why Isn't God More Convincing?
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Satisfying Answers to Alex O'Connors Toughest Questions - Clive Responds
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  • @ardorministries
    @ardorministries 6 днів тому

    Thank you… needed this today

  • @muratkilicarslan6365
    @muratkilicarslan6365 11 днів тому

    Thank you Clive❤

  • @cranialtyrant
    @cranialtyrant 13 днів тому

    Hes not referring to himself... Jesus never believed he was god. Sorry, this is trash

    • @christianfresu8094
      @christianfresu8094 13 днів тому

      Maybe if you read the bible you will change your mind

    • @deboradevos2534
      @deboradevos2534 13 днів тому

      John 8:58-59 (NIV) "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. Later, in John 10, Jesus again claims divinity, leading to another attempt to stone Him: John 10:30-33 (NIV) Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." This confirms that they understood Jesus was claiming to be God, which is why they wanted to stone Him for blasphemy.

    • @SweetSMB
      @SweetSMB 13 днів тому

      Then please elaborate your interpretation on the verse

  • @Jojohumf
    @Jojohumf 13 днів тому

    Just finished my first day on the freedom in Christ course this is such a God send, God bless you my friend. Jesus loves you.

  • @Jojohumf
    @Jojohumf 13 днів тому

    Amen

  • @RosemarieAeschlimann-f8e
    @RosemarieAeschlimann-f8e 14 днів тому

    Welcome toi new fachiste Christian Amerika sems licke thé Others with sunnite Islam. you dont want to go pray on mars with your body Elon

  • @AdrianShergill
    @AdrianShergill 14 днів тому

    Thank you so much Clive for breaking this down. It is a perplexing parable.

  • @yungboy6590
    @yungboy6590 15 днів тому

    Obrigado

  • @jjwood00
    @jjwood00 17 днів тому

    He’s not the God of confusion. He was making things clearly. To clarify since the people where misinterpreting while adding and subtracting from scripture back then. Just like what is happening today. People put God in their own little box and not how he truly is.

  • @LayneMathew-p9m
    @LayneMathew-p9m 18 днів тому

    Clive keep posting ❤

  • @hughalcorn9009
    @hughalcorn9009 19 днів тому

    Alex, like many selfish-minded people, will try to find blame against an unrighteous god so that he can keep his sin and be safe from condemnation. Let me give an example: He asks if God could still be recognised as a merciful, gracious god after commanding the annihilation of the peoples such as the Amalekites. But if he read the Bible for what it says instead of for what he wants it to say he would see that: 1) The people had become so irreversibly evil in their evolution of depravity that they would offer their own children into the red hot iron arms of Moluk their god, to be burned to death as a living sacrifice for such things as rain for crops, victory over enemies etc. Their depravity had no bounds. 2) He waited 400 years for them to repent and yet they did not. However, Jonah went all the way to Nineveh and preached and the whole city came to repentance. These horrific people just chose to be evil in heart without repentance. Now if God were to be found unreasonable in His thinking by not wanting to contaminate His people with the likes of these people, (for He was lovingly jealous over His people Israel for His own names' sake), then the same must apply to one as being unreasonable for not allowing a sex rapist and murder who was riddled with a deadly disease to play with his children. God commanded the annihilation of the depraved to save His own people. And even though He granted grace for 4 centuries they just became more evil. How then can God be deemed unjust?

  • @barryroberts2474
    @barryroberts2474 22 дні тому

    I'm sure you are aware that there is much more to this story than simply a kind work. Wine is a symbol of joy, turning ordinary life to joy was the whole purpose of Jesus ministry. What we have before salvation once we accept the Father's offer has become completely full of joy with sin forgiven and new life given by our resurrected Lord. Many parallels can be drawn with our celebration of communion. I apologise for adding into your simple message! bless you for sharing.

  • @therealchristfollower
    @therealchristfollower 22 дні тому

    God blesses me so much. I see when his blessings unfold. I have been arrogant with the grace the lord extends me.

  • @muratkilicarslan6365
    @muratkilicarslan6365 24 дні тому

    ❤thank you Clive

  • @fredyh357
    @fredyh357 26 днів тому

    What a great explanation 🙏🙏

  • @Lamatorta
    @Lamatorta 27 днів тому

    Amen 🙏

  • @frontgamet.v1892
    @frontgamet.v1892 28 днів тому

    The problem with Atheists is not disbelieve it's Rebelling against God like a cult which they are. Jesus could literally appear in front of them and they would find every excuse there is to not believe.

  • @gallowsongs
    @gallowsongs 29 днів тому

    I don't understand this. The shrewd manager didn't make friends, he lied to gain favours. Those people were not his friends, they didn't look upon him and said, he has lied to his master, he will be honest to us. He gave them a break, granted, but not out of the goodness of his heart. 1 Corinthians 13:3 NIrV [3] Suppose I give everything I have to poor people. And suppose I give myself over to a difficult life so I can brag. If I don’t have love, I get nothing at all. Matthew 19:21 NIrV [21] Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go and sell everything you have. Give the money to those who are poor. You will have treasure in heaven. Then come and follow me.” How is this compatible with lying for your own benefit?

    • @Hbmd3E
      @Hbmd3E 29 днів тому

      Its to do with our sinful nature. In it we dont really love our fellow Christians. In the other hand We also are divine and blameless in Christ. So we should speak life to our brethren and give them pass from their debt not showing all the flaws we see in the natural man. So if you do this they will bless you in their heart to God giving you gains, and also fruit carries on to eternity, Love grows that is real currency in the Kingdom. we should practice those things and it looks at the start like false.

  • @plokijplok4072
    @plokijplok4072 Місяць тому

    💯🙏 Nothing in this life is Eternal, it is all vanity only God is Eternal.

  • @B.W64
    @B.W64 Місяць тому

    The parable is about sowing earthly treasures to build on eternal treasure. The shrewd manger was only concerned with the here & now.

  • @JonathanReadsBooks
    @JonathanReadsBooks Місяць тому

    This was helpful. Thank you

  • @andreiul4473
    @andreiul4473 Місяць тому

    Thanks! GOD bless you brother!

  • @Fryscream777
    @Fryscream777 Місяць тому

    Yikes 😬 nice try I guess

  • @OnoriomaTheresa
    @OnoriomaTheresa Місяць тому

    This helps, thanks

  • @Polynuttery
    @Polynuttery Місяць тому

    Simple answer. Yes. If atheists disagree, let them justify their moral code. Hint: The particles are amoral.

  • @jasonleslie4349
    @jasonleslie4349 Місяць тому

    Didn't God create ALL human beings? So why pick the Israelites who constantly complained even rebelled against him, favor them?Think of it.Today we have no supernatural evidence for God thus the scepticism of many. THE Israelites however had supernatural events happen nearly all the time! The 10 plagues in Egypt, A pillar of cloud by day and fire by night guiding them to the red sea, parting of the red sea etc...and thats just the start! Now place yourself there.If you witnessed those supernatural events wouldn't you be super stupid to complain and start worshipping inanimate objects like a golden calf?

  • @jasonleslie4349
    @jasonleslie4349 Місяць тому

    Human raid?Genocide more like it And definitely the invasion of the Canaanites was over land( which ironically seems to be going on today) Abraham came from the land of Ur (modern day Iraq) God promised the Israelites, who were the ancestors of Abraham a land flowing with milk and honey guess where? Canaan

  • @emmakusian8738
    @emmakusian8738 Місяць тому

    Amen :)

  • @Giulio_Dent
    @Giulio_Dent Місяць тому

    Blah blah blah

  • @RosemarieAeschlimann-f8e
    @RosemarieAeschlimann-f8e Місяць тому

    There gona bé Always good people and Bad people but if do you want good people doing atroceties you Need a religion

  • @petejackson6681
    @petejackson6681 Місяць тому

    Thanks for telling us about all those evil children, disabled and sick people, and animals who were slaughtered. An all powerfull God could have clicked his fingers, and sorted it out without massive suffering. But no, as in the Flood, it had to be an unpleasant death. Do you think that it is possible for every individual in a Tribe, to be evil? I suspect that you have a different view about more recent atrocities, done by men, in the name of other Gods.

  • @fender97
    @fender97 Місяць тому

    The men king Saul spared, ended up killing Saul! The nations God commanded to be wiped out had become genetically corrupt. They represented an existential threat to mankind, which is why God flooded the earth and saved 8 people, including Noah. Once again we are in the days of Noah - get on the Ark that is Jesus Christ, believe on Him, and you will be saved.

  • @salserokorsou
    @salserokorsou Місяць тому

    That was right before god drowned the whole world but saved the devil, right?

  • @Deepfocus0228
    @Deepfocus0228 Місяць тому

    On point.

  • @onyxstone4618
    @onyxstone4618 Місяць тому

    More deep shit brother 👍

  • @davidabraham5325
    @davidabraham5325 Місяць тому

    Using common sense listen to yourself giving this analogy; does it sound right for other prophecies about the messiah .

  • @Muhammads_pork_chops
    @Muhammads_pork_chops Місяць тому

    Unfortunately, the great evil is amongst us, in the form of muhammadans.

  • @masbro1368
    @masbro1368 Місяць тому

    I want to ask. My questions... 1. The reality that we can see right now is that in this universe there are trillions of trillions of planets and galaxies. If there are countless trillions of trillions of planets... maybe not only planet Earth has living creatures inhabiting it...? For example, if there are a trillion other planets that have living creatures like Earth and its inhabitants are various types of non-human creatures, would Jesus also be God on those one trillion inhabited planets...? 2. The real facts that we can know right now... the earth is approximately 10 million km, the sun is 1.3 million times as big as the earth, and there is a star called U Scuty that is tens of billions of times as big as the sun . If the celestial bodies were super massive in size like that, the number in the trillions would be uncountable. How big do you think God the Creator is, bro...? Maybe God is only as big as the man Jesus...? 3. According to scientists, the universe is more than 13 billion years old, whereas according to historians, Adam and Eve only existed about 7 thousand years ago. Based on this science... maybe the universe has been empty without any living creatures inhabiting it for more than 13 billion years...? So what was Jesus doing for 13 billion years before there were humans, Adam and Eve...? Please answer me!!!!?!!!

  • @eve3363
    @eve3363 Місяць тому

    It's true. Satan's temptation is always God's test. So, I would still say that there is no such thing as coincidence because coincidences mean there is no rhyme or reason for it. Events just happen haphazardly which we know is not true based on Scripture such as Romans 8:28. Everything happens for a reason and every temptation from Satan is a test from God, to test our faith and/ or discernment.

  • @onyxstone4618
    @onyxstone4618 Місяць тому

    That's some deep shit brother 👍

  • @yakhubzerdne5944
    @yakhubzerdne5944 Місяць тому

    This is wisdom! I love this channel

  • @matter509
    @matter509 Місяць тому

    "Thou shalt not kill"

  • @JohnSpencer90
    @JohnSpencer90 Місяць тому

    I don't think this guy believes a word he is saying. Either that or he is certfiably insane

    • @tresphore3185
      @tresphore3185 Місяць тому

      Am afraid I have to agree to everything you just said. This is amazing to see 😅

    • @frontgamet.v1892
      @frontgamet.v1892 28 днів тому

      Why please explain with Logical arguments not with emotion Atheists are really like 5 year olds which is ironic because kids believe more often. You could literally show Atheists persons crying out of emotion about their experience with Christ that they saw him or heard him and they would say: "Yeah it could be staged" Bro that's not some Hollywood actor my gosh and also, true Christians won't dare to lie because they know Christ what would they gain by deceiving you? Atheists believe that Christians are super angry when they "Debunk" God with their Atheists logic often saying "Science disproves God" although it just shows how great God's intelligence and creativity is but Christians are sad because they know they lost another soul.

  • @timandmonica
    @timandmonica Місяць тому

    It just seems like you used your subjective mind to decide that this particular god's moral will is accurately described in the writings of men. And you subjectively chose that god based on those men's writings. And when your moral intuition screams that something is not moral when your book written by men says that you are wrong and that god is right, you make a subjective choice to override your moral intuition. Lots of subjectivity going on with your objective moral system. And the book contradicts moral good all over the place. Even Jesus said: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But 'I' tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well." Is it objectively right to take an eye for an eye, as the Bible objectively teaches in Exodus 21:23-25, or the opposite: to turn the other cheek, as the Bible objectively teaches in Matthew 5:38? To say it changed means it is NOT objective. Examples like this abound in the Bible. You can follow the Bible for your moral guidance, but don't try to trick outsiders into believing the moral life expected from its god is objective. Everyone, regardless of whether we like the responsibility, has subjective morals. It just depends on if they offload their personal (subjective) moral decisions to someone or something else or decide to do the mature work of deciding for themselves.

  • @petercollins7730
    @petercollins7730 Місяць тому

    None of these answers satisfies anyone who does not presuppose that the bible and the christian god are true. This is just more ridiculous excuseoly masquerading as a wise response to these questions. For the majority of people, who don't believe any of your Magic Sky Daddy nonsense, this is just more childish and dangerous gish-galloping verbal glop.

  • @bonnie43uk
    @bonnie43uk Місяць тому

    Loving your enemy does not have a good track record of success.

  • @rocklee5231
    @rocklee5231 Місяць тому

    The responses you get have become beyond tiresome

    • @theGuideMarkII
      @theGuideMarkII Місяць тому

      Ah, yes, thinking critically can be so exhausting, can’t it? It’s much easier to just sit in church, nod along, and shout "Hallelujah!" on cue. No messy questions, no pesky contradictions-just the comfort of someone telling you what to believe. But here’s the thing: real thinking, while tiring, is infinitely more satisfying. Instead of blindly swallowing what you’re told, you get to wrestle with ideas, confront hard truths, and reach conclusions based on reason and evidence. It’s not always easy, but it’s worth it. So yeah, if the responses here feel “beyond tiresome,” maybe it’s because they demand something more than a “Hallelujah.” They demand thought.

  • @ArchibaldRoon
    @ArchibaldRoon Місяць тому

    The fact that God didn’t know how this was all going to play out, doesn’t that mean He’s not omnipotent?

    • @theGuideMarkII
      @theGuideMarkII Місяць тому

      If God didn’t know how it was all going to play out, that’s not just a hit to his omnipotence-it’s a blow to his omniscience too. How can you be all-powerful and all-knowing yet somehow be surprised by your own creation? That’s like designing a clock, watching it tick, and then going, “Wow, I had no idea it would keep time!” If God didn’t foresee the chaos, suffering, and “fall of man,” then he’s either not omniscient or he’s willfully negligent. Neither option lines up with the idea of a perfect, loving deity. So, which is it? A god who didn’t know? Or a god who knew and let it happen anyway? Either way, the idea of omnipotence takes a big hit.

    • @MateriaKeeper
      @MateriaKeeper Місяць тому

      @@theGuideMarkII 100%, and exactly the same when it comes to something like Noah's Ark: God was "disappointed" with his creation so decided to delete it all. Huh? How can an all-knowing and all-powerful entity possibly be 'disappointed' by anything. He either designed it or foresaw it, or both. How on Earth can something happen outside of either his knowledge or will? Absolutely ridiculous and logically devoid at even the most basic level. Important that we don't let apologetics continue to try and make the argument more complicated or convoluted in order to try and increase its legitimacy. We have to keep bringing them back to these basic and fundamental failings that in any situation outside of religion would be totally stupid and worthy of contempt.

  • @zerokpz
    @zerokpz Місяць тому

    This is truly a remarkable show of raw fundamentalism and general lack of empathy, how strange that a human mind would rather cope with so many contradictions rather than accept reality

    • @frontgamet.v1892
      @frontgamet.v1892 28 днів тому

      Atheists be like: Christians can't argue with emotions when they cry out because of their experience with Christ Also Atheists: Argues with emotions rather than Logic. Bro say you're damn argument. The Cannanites literally sacrificed their children and waged wars all the time and we're sexual immoral and God watched for 700+ in hopes they change their ways. And God judged ALL of them because if somebody survived they would probably swear revenge or infect the Israelites with their sinful behaviour WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. But that's always the thing with the general Atheist it's a cult and a twitter bubble because Un-believe isn't the problem. Rebelling against god is and Jesus could appear in front of you and you would find every excuse to not believe because you dont want to.

  • @theGuideMarkII
    @theGuideMarkII Місяць тому

    @soreeze8483 : "Boy, what are you high on?" was my first thought! But let’s take a closer look at what you’re saying. Your argument is all over the place, so let’s untangle it step by step: "The AI car company exists within a world independent of it, but the world wouldn’t exist independent of God": This is simply asserting a point without proving it. You’re making a massive assumption that the world wouldn’t exist without God, but you haven’t demonstrated why that’s true. The AI car analogy doesn’t fail because of this-it’s pointing out that if a creator (be it a company or a god) designs something flawed, the blame ultimately rests on the creator. You don’t get to absolve God of responsibility for creating a flawed world by just declaring him exempt. "In every possible world, the worst thing would hold the same essence": I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue here. Are you saying that suffering is inevitable in every conceivable world? If so, that’s a huge assumption, and it contradicts the idea of an omnipotent God who could create a world without suffering if he wanted to. Are you saying God has to allow suffering? That makes him less omnipotent. "If you remove bad, you remove free will": This argument assumes that free will inherently requires bad options. But why? Couldn’t God create a world where people still have meaningful choices without those choices resulting in suffering? For example, I can choose between helping my neighbor or reading a book-both are "good" choices. Free will doesn’t collapse just because evil is removed. "If you remove all worst things, eventually you remove the essence of a person": This is nonsense. A person’s essence isn’t defined by the presence of evil. Compassion, creativity, curiosity, love-these are all qualities that thrive in the absence of suffering. A world without suffering wouldn’t erase who we are; it would enhance it. "100 years is a blink in the eye of eternity": This is a classic cop-out. It’s like saying, "Your pain doesn’t matter because it’ll be over eventually." That’s not comfort; it’s dismissal. A loving, omnipotent God wouldn’t let his creations suffer horrifically, even for a blink, if he had the power to prevent it. "To cast judgment on God ignores salvation": Here’s the kicker: salvation is only "necessary" because of the mess God supposedly created in the first place. If God didn’t allow suffering or sin to exist, there’d be no need for salvation. It’s like setting a building on fire and then demanding praise for rescuing people from the flames. In summary: your argument boils down to excuses for why God has to allow suffering while ignoring that he supposedly created the entire system that enables it. The idea that we "need" suffering for free will, or that salvation somehow justifies pain, doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. A truly omnipotent, loving God wouldn’t need such convoluted logic to justify the existence of suffering in the first place. If this is how you "look at it," maybe try looking a little harder. 😉