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I wouldn't count Animal Well as a metroidbrainia, the aspects of knowledge progression it has are more just one-offs that don't build upon each other, are QoL mechanics or are discovered naturally through experimentation. Metroidbrainias like Outer Wilds or The Witness give you puzzles that then give you info that then helps you solve more puzzles, leading to the aspect of there being puzzles that you could have solved from the start but just didn't know how to. The closest Animal Well ever comes to that is with the flute but there's only ever one degree to it; that anything 8 directional is most likely flute related, it doesn't go further than that. All the flute puzzles solely rely on successfully interpreting the code, none of them rely on you learning a new thing that then helps you solve another, they either just help you get something to collect or are a teleport code. The hidden interactions with items are never taught and are expected to be found through just experimentation as well. I think that's the thing with metroidbranias, it's not just that there's knowledge progression, the progression itself involves tutorialisation and builds upon itself. Any game is bound to have elements that can be interacted with differently if you knew what to do from beginning, typical stuff like passcodes or where stuff is, the difference is whether those puzzles require you to learn from previous ones.

@@wisnoskij No Metroidbrainia conversation is complete without mentioning the GOAT: Toki Tori 2+.

@@thinkygames What makes it all the more frustrating with how underrated it is, is that it literally is the first game to commit to those kinds of mechanics. I had so much fun making a new save when I realised what it was doing, trying to figure out the extent to which I could progress without the game showing what the end goals were. Really deserves more attention.

I'm Joe1, rather than Joel!

@@thinkygames I know, fan of the channel from day 1. I followed Joel when he did walkthroughs. Best wishes Joe !

@@RejectAllCookies13 I was just making a terrible joke about Joe1 looking like Joel, sorry. 😅

@@thinkygames I make bad jokes in most cases. I got the joke the first time :) Cheers !

It has a grid as an option in the menu. You can see it in 8:18. Third option there. Thank you for your feedback <3

We've actually updated the DROD games after a discussion on Discord. A tricky thing with those tags is that we use them to drive recommendations, and so sometimes something is labelled "No narrative" when what we really mean is "Well if you're looking for a narrative-driven game, we probably wouldn't include this". However, that just means we need better/clearer labelling.

I don't know that one, but many of the puzzles in Snakebird are damnably impermeable. Which would you say has the hardest puzzles?

Hey, Deja Vu is actually on our backlog already! As you can imagine, it's a big backlog and we also want to cover new games coming out, but I'm sure we'll be able to get to everything! (for some definition of "everything").

The stream is recent, but the kickstarter did indeed end a while ago. I hear they do have some news to announce about the game soon though.

I've played the full thing on my personal channel @JoePlaysPuzzleGames if you're interested! I loved the game.

He's already done it on his main channel

@@RainbowTrainGames And thank you for stopping by! --Joel

The deepest I ever made it was to Level 46. I wrote intensely about my Hoplite obsession back in 2019. "Down there, Hoplite becomes parkour violence, where the player impales, slashes, leaps and tears through the hordes. I can’t stop killing. To stop killing is to stop living." www.electrondance.com/hoplite/ -- Joel

@@bestsnowboarderuknow It does have a horror vibe! I was always freaked out on Giant's Deep with the watery depths... --Joel

@@HugoBDesigner Ah, the path not taken. I will mourn for you loss over a drink tonight. --Joel

@@vojtisekhovor Thanks for stopping by. Every one of us who has been through Outer Wilds have shared something incredible. --Joel

@@RejectAllCookies13 uh oh, I have another comment suggesting Hitman GO is a better game 🤔 --Joel

@@thinkygames I would have to say that Lara Croft GO is a much better game. Hitman is not bad but it has easy puzzles and some cool stuff but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who likes puzzles.

@@RejectAllCookies13 thanks for your viewpoint --Joel

Basically you're saying if I made Twelve Even More Games I Love, Hitman GO should be on it :) --Joel

Definitely, if you loved this one, you'd probably like Hitman GO even more.

@@DavideScarioni maybe Lara Croft GO is a de facto gateway game for puzzle games 🤔 Maybe I'll attempt Hitman GO one of these days (I've never actually played a Hitman game either!!!) --Joel

@@bobbob905 This is a genuinely joyful game, I wouldn't even categorise it as "guilty pleasure", it is put together with such class. Shame the developer was killed off by Embracer. --Joel

@@HugoBDesigner exactly, I left this as an exercise for the viewer deliberately 🤣 --Joel

@@HugoBDesigner It is an incredible once in a lifetime experience. Interesting that Portal 2 became your obsession! I liked Portal 2 but if I had plopped a Portal game into this list it would've been the original. Maybe that would've kicked off a big debate in the stream? --Joel

@@thinkygames A huge reason why Portal 2 became my favorite, besides the many new mechanics and much bigger game (gameplay-wise and story-wise) was the puzzle editor. Without it, I don't think it would've been as huge for me. It shaped a lot of who I am, as a person and as a gamedev, and gave me a platform to practice and thrive in level design. If this was an alternate universe in which Talos got an easy puzzle creator and Portal 2 didn't, I could easily see the roles being reversed. I've been making puzzles for it (and Portal-inspired puzzles in other games) for well over 10 years now. It's basically the one thing I'm known for lol

@@HugoBDesigner Oh cool. That's a whole world I know little about. (Hands in Thinky badge and gun, right on time.) --Joel

@@Cammymoop I think it would do better today (if only it didn't have that dexterity test in the middle of the game) --Joel

@@RejectAllCookies13 I dare say Toki Tori 2+ would have been on my list if I'd played more of it. Bought it after a recommendation many many years ago and barely touched it (www.arcadianrhythms.com/2013/07/review-toki-tori-2) --Joel

@@thinkygames Toki Tori 2 is very good, I agree

@@zashadow131990 yeah I think I got my copy from Indie Game Stand before the game was completed --Joel

@@RejectAllCookies13 Yes Yugo Puzzle is Jelly no Puzzle 2 in all but name. I'm still working through Yugo - been on hold since I started Thinky Streaming! - an incredible game like its predecessor. --Joel

@@thinkygames you really need a break :) 1. To take a break of course 2. To solve all the games you got on hold. Cheers Joel !

@@RejectAllCookies13 I'm still sorting out these videos and a handover to Joe so hopefully in two weeks I can start playing games for fun again 🤣 --Joel

@@AmbiePuzzles 100% factually accurate --Joel