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Aside from the legal atrocity committed here. It gives us Another reason to keep and breed responsibly by keeping records, adopting proper husbandry techniques, be knowledgeable about your chosen species and conduct yourself professionally, even if you are a hobbiest and not officially a professional outfit. That is the sole reason that this unfortunate chap is in the position to fight back and take them to court and be in a a good chance of winning. Good luck to those guys 🤞🏼

Unbelievable! The nerve! 😤

Thank you for spreading the word... So sad & shameful!

Its heartbreaking to know that animal rights advocates cause so much unnecessary death when they claim to "help" animals. I appreciate you making this video and bringing awareness about this issue

Ok so, I dont know about this case, whoever this has turned so sour and politically charged that I just want to give some middle ground context for non spanish watchers. I've kept reptiles for many years, so these things do affect me, an emphasis I make in regards of my middle ground argument, because I am not regularly one to stay on the fence about issues, this is not a fence, this is what I see as common sense. In Spain for many many MANY years, the exotic animals legislation has varied depending on which "autonomous comunity" you lived, Andalucía, Baleares, Canarias... changes were not big from one to others, whoever the legislation was always lazy, vague, considerably uninformed but lax at the same time. For example, a common thing would be the 2Kg rule, any exotic animal over 2Kg was automatically considered dangerous and that carries with it a whole bunch of buttpains (that didnt have good solutions because it was poorly thoughtof). However as long as you kept say 4759295729 leopard geckos instead of 748293 fat ball pythons you were on the gold. (Even though you would need to expedite a zoological installation permit, incredibly prohibitibe just to keep a bunch of geckos (A whole another problem that i dont want to get in to in this already long comment) This meant that most people just kept tons of smaller species, with the boom of popularity in reptiles along the 2010s came an incredible sort of bubble market, that came and went in waves with people treating the animals almost as investments many times without particular interest in the species they acquired intending to reproduce and sell without particular regards to their well being, it was all a rat race, and it was perfectly palpable to anyone willing to accept the reality of what was happening. This led to people over breeding species with trendy morphs and such to apeace a very fast vanishing demand, and thats how we got to a veritable crash of that herpbubble. In the aftermath lots of people started offloading their animals in bulk to non enthusiast types, I've heard of people keeping geckos in 5 litter water bottles. This extended welfare problems, did percolate through social media and stuff I have seen pictures that no one in their right mind would thing of posting... for everyone to see. Now we experiecien the rebound from those years of abuse of freedom, the problem is that before it was a lack of oversight and lack of political will to set a proper permit system with tears and receipts. Now, those who are attempting to ammend this are just too far in to "animal rights" to see any value at all in any exotic pet in captivity out of principle, independently of any extended legal or, more importantly, moral opinion. Because of this in Spain in particularly this issue has been hijacked by opossing political partys to agitate people and get to hate on each other as a vote source, it has created fronts, while the solution falls in political will to regulate in good faith and agreements. Not just have the freedom to buy whatever extremely endangered WC frog you want TS, nor not be able to keep, 40+ generations captive completely dumb bearded dragon or leopard gecko. I personally think, that a tier system regulation, by which you can only go up in permits with the pass of time and experience under very non intrusive supervision once every year to credit that you are doing everything right, is the only way to advance in to a proper responsible reptile keeping. Prohibitive only through the standard of care and knowledge you provide. Not prohibitive via artificial barriers such as pay X for this permit or we dont consider your living quarters conducing to keep X just because its a flat instead of a detached house. Sorry for the long post. PD: just in case it read as criticizing one way or the other, my only true full critic is for the lack of political will more than 10 years past, to place strong foundation for proper keeping, the base of all the peoblems now.

Animal rights are a good thing, guys. I’d find another term…

I have many turtles, tortoises & enjoy them all. Each has their own personality.

definitely had science... thanks for sharing.

Research and stay away from animals because they are cheap, wild caught animals they are just for very experienced keepers but should be avoid. Get animals from privat breeders that are serious and will help with information Some tortoises live from 40 to 100 years +++ . its a life time commitment

1 word, 8 letters........ *RESEARCH*

Yeah, research, research and research. Be patient and never buy on impulse. Also, when doing research on a reptile check multiple sources, not just one and look for the most current information.

Always check out multiple sources of information. Always buy a high quality digital thermometer. Never trust thermostats - always check.

Rosie the Dumerils Boa turns 28 years young this year

My youngest reptile turns one today RIP as must be a gonna when I come home from work tonight his hatch date was actually this date last year but my others are over 3 and coming up 2 so my reptiles must be the exception to this rule

I got a corn snake in 1996, which i still have. Also got a royal which is at least 35

Anything that isnt considered traditional livestock, cats, and dogs would be considered exotic. Any blanket bans would effect the keeping of: hedgehogs, ferrets, exotic cats (bengals and savannahs are exotic hybrids), any reptile, any amphibian, any arachnid/insect/arthropod, ferrets, rodents, any aquatic animal (huh wonder if that would include coral🤔), skunks (yes there are states with domestic pet skunks same goes for foxes), etc. This wouldnt jyst directly effect the trade this would also effect exotic animal medicine ehich would be a huge blow as well as zoos/rescues. Bans DO NOT work!

Goldfish count as exotic so banning exotic pets hits all fishes.

Go on with that great work ❤

Love your channel, I'm a subscriber and keeping reptiles and amphibians has always been a battle in the 38 years I've enjoyed them. Fish too. I've had aquariums for almost as long and many things are banned now that weren't before. Same thing with aquatic plants. I finally started getting vocal and involved a few years ago. I donate monthly to USARK and USARK FL. Fine. People want to take away what I love, I'm fighting back. No more. Not on my watch. People have to get involved in defending our hobby in anyway they can. Please don't be complacent. Anything helps 🐍

Nope!! Never!

Nope,even wild ones I'd handle...Not from frogs and toads either.

Wouldn't you have to lick the reptile to get salmonella? I mean, it's not like it's a skin infection or anything.

Now with Alligators, it's best to donate him/her to a local gator farm.

Fun fact: Allowing people to privately own reptiles will help conserving them. Think of Gator Farms. Back when the American Alligator was endangered, it wasn't government programs that helped recover them, but private gator farms.

Exactly, everyone should be washing hands after handling any animal, aquatic creatures or reptile. Absolute common sense.

Never. Not in 38 years of reptile keeping 🐍

Yeah~ that figures remember people there are those out there that think no animals should be kept.

Done

Would love to interview someone from RRR someday. The difference between your org and USARK is pretty significant. We need more from/than USARK… or even a new organization, and I’m quite interested in comparing and contrasting the two in order to learn how things can be better. Specifically surrounding welfare and keeping practices.

This seems what I’m looking for ❤

Outdoor reptile keeper here in the UK I support you guys keep doing what your doing giving us a voice

I'm in the States and I support USARK and USARK FL. I do subscribe to your channel also. Thanks! ❤

Mission accepted. 👍

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Just found this channel! I agree there are people that want to take away all animals. Sure people with dogs or cats will go "yeah they shouldnt have that", but its important to remember if they can do that to the exotics hobby whos to say they can't take away ypur fur babies! Farm animals will always be safe for corporations~ bit the general home? They will strip your rights away. Fight for all pet keepers/hobbyists! It might not effect you today but it could effect you tomorrow!

Whitelists don't work! This video needs more attention. Short story in CA before ferrets were legal as long as they were neutered I knew someone who had a few! I was told not to speak a word of them outside the house, so I didn't! Noone knew except for me. In CA when those weasels were banned they went and took each one that was known about and euthanized them! Knowing the stories my mom shared it just further me not talking about it. Now ferrets are being more accepted to where someone brought their ferret in the clinic I worked out to get their DHPP (basic shots). I think about the excuses alot most centering around as a fear response instead of logical conclusions! Like any other trade making something illegal doesn't make it go away it just criminalizes people and makes a dangerous unregulated black market that would lead to trafficking these animals! You think reptiles would just go away once there is an established hobby? Hell no! People will do what they can to hold onto what they have and for those that try to follow the system we will see more cases of what happened that could be like what happened to Chris Coffee~ a guy who had his passion, loved his animals, and tried to follow the system but the system was corrupt! Reptiles are like cats the only difference cats have fur privledge and reptiles are the other! In the US if you watch (because i have watched from the start) look at what is attacked and what they do to the reptiles-> then follow those tactics guaranteed ypu will see them in politics to push anti LGBT legislation! Now one could say "thats different" or "no thats not possible" but watch what they are doing. They pick the lowest hanging fruit to climb and pick off before continuing to climb higher to get more. They are doing the same things politically just look at tge pattern and you might be shocked, but it all started around the same time the Lacey act was going to be expanded in the US! This was before the heartbeat bill and the other bs legislations in other states. I truly believe that these attacks are in part yes ignorance, but in another part more sinister to try to figure out how to dismantle communities on a smaller scale (yes I know reptiles are popular, but there is also a lit of stigma and they aren't humans). I ended up in a rant, but people need to remember the pet trade takes demands off of wild populations. If there is no reproducing in captivity that means there will be more strain on wild populations and poaching is never good! Reptile hobby has also brought species back from the brink not zoos hobbyists! The more minds that care about a species tge quicker they are to unlock and figure out~ not to mention a whole hobby group provides more room for genetic diversity onstead of limiting the genetic pool to x zoos only. I believe with the know how any animal should be kept if the space, food, and knowledge the person has is right! Just to further this example the Asian leopard cat used to be common pet wise in tge US! There were even books on how to care for them. They became illegal, but now we have Servals as well as hybrids (bengals, savannahs, etc) people need to understand anything can be taken away if you dont pay attention and keep a voice up! We are learning this as human reproductive rights are being gutted as well as freedom of speech! They will keep trying to come for exotics in the US I truly believe this, but I guarantee they will change tactic to try to ban them at local levels instead of federal as they had tried to do! I really wish people would pay more attention; luckily people like USARK is fighting, but they cannot do it alone and need the hobbies support. In Florida it sounds like they are losing and as goes with that cesspool state its the start of a disgusting trend of govs trying to ban reptiles out of fear when in other states especially in the south those animals would die when winter hits! Overall blanket bans don't work and you criminalize a good person for no reason! I could go on, but will stop here I have many different hypothesis, but I know our gov and supreme court in the US is beyond backwards and they are getting sneaky with sneaking big legislation through by doing votes late at night or in huge bills! Stay vigilant and fight for your rights not just as keepers, but as people!

I don’t care what the English gov say I would NEVER EVER give up my sulcatas not in this life time

Very good interview. Made a Community-Post with a link to it.

true world reality, all animals live everywhere 1 odd weather yr, they adapt to outside.

Very well put! It is heartbreaking to think that because of these bans and lists animals have suffered needlessly. What is needed is more accountability for animals that are not being treated and cared for adequately instead of bans, and that is for all animals because I see more abuse in “domestic” animals than any other!

Norwegie here,, I have so many dream reptiles but i cant ever keep one in Norway. All my dream reptiles are small to medium, not dangerous and would NOT survive in the wild.

The sheer number of years all this took in Norway is just monstrous. The UK has sensible laws: animals which are considered potentially dangerous can only be kept with a licence, which I think is sensible: it to a degree protects keepers as well as the public. In my opinion, anyone who keeps venomous snakes should be obliged to keep at least one vial of antivenom, provided antivenom for the species exists, together with a written treatment protocol for the species being kept.

Seems the white list they picked was “does it stay small and will the winter absolutely kill it?” It’s not the worst white list I’ve ever seen. But still; white lists are bad.

The Norwegian ban was silly , I probally knew 20+ people when it was banned. I had a Karen neighbour report me when i used to keep years ago . The only decent list i have seen is the Danish blacklist

I dont agree with any lists of what is or isnt aloud to keep. Although the reptile industry has grown its not as big as the dog and cat industry so we become an easy target mostly because people dont understand i have seen that change a little in my short life i remember 8 yrs ago when i set up my first bio active i was told i was gonna kill my lepord gecko now its widely accepted. Education, industry growth and understanding of these animals is what is need to combat all the people who honestly want no pets at all.

Interesting as I am a beginner reptile keeper I have three reptiles and that’s three seperate types and out of those reptiles which are all considered beginner reptiles only my corn snake would be allowed my gargoyle who is very similar to keep to crested are not allowed neither is my newest snake a hognose.

I just dont see what this really achieves. How just outright banning keeping animals help society as a whole? Help the people who are isolated and alone for whatever reason?. It's just a crude way of having some kind of control hut it doesn't actually work. I don't feel the we should let the hobby govern itself but there needs to room for common sense. When you create a list that makes keeping certain animals illegal creates a anti welfare issue as people are not taking their animals to vets or keeping them at sensible standards as they are hidden away, also this take away jobs from people who brees/sell/exhibit these animals or train to medically treat them.

I personally believe leaving this matter up to the government is the first step on a very dangerous road, that once entered will be almost impossible to get off from. Let's be honest here the DWA system appears to of been a complete failure, if the assumed numbers of illegal keepers are to be believed. So why is these lists going to be any different? The more power you give to government the more they will push to take.

Excellent video, thank you. A lot of this stuff I've been saying for several decades, mostly to deaf ears. One issue I think would also be of concern with positive lists and possible total bans, is that when things go underground, potentially the demand for wild-caught animals and smuggling increases. This would not be in line with welfare issues. Moreover, this type of business usually means higher prices, which may attract people with less interest in the well-being of animals, more interest in the money. Like you said and the example of Norway shows, regardless of the laws, the hobby isn't going anywhere, it just adapts. I am certain that every country which has outlawed reptiles, still has reptile keepers. And perhaps the saddest example was the recent case of the young Spanish hobbyist dying from a venomous snakebite, because he delayed going to the hospital, on account of the legal issues. Transparency and responsible keeping legally would be the best option. Making things unnecessarily illegal just doesn't work.